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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12746

by Service Dog » Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:58 am

The Trayvon Hoax-- a documentary exposing the George Zimmerman trial as a fraud, with an imposter as star witness--

is currently available to watch free on YouTube.



It vacillates between great and goofy. The film-maker himself has a great voice, and a goofy face. He executes an amazing sting-- tricking the real witness into giving handwriting and saliva samples. But he also detours the film into pointless attempts at humor-- such as visiting a Haitian voodoo priest. I watched a lot of that on 1.5x and even 2x speed.

At least the goofy shit kept me watching-- "what is this ferret-face going to do next?!". And it serves as a deconstruction of Michael Moore's signature style.

The great shit incriminates Don Lemon's gay politician buddy Andrew Gillum (recently found incoherent from meth in a hotel room, with a prostitute), incriminates BLM lawyer Benjamin Crump, and Trayvon's parents, and a whole bunch of ghetto people who knew about the impostor, and casts serious shade on all the prosecuting attorneys. Even Hillary Clinton makes an appearence.

There's also salacious shit. I approve of that. Trayvon's friends and family live salacious lives, broadcasting themselves on social media. That's a crucial element of understanding the truth of the situtation. For example-- we were told poor little Trayvon was just out in the rain-- going to the corner store for a pack of Skittles and and Arizona Ice Tea. I feel like we were clowned-- since those items are also used as ingredients to make "Lean", just add cough syrup or Codeine. Trayvon's texts show he was a big fan of lean. I never saw that on the news. And he bought & sold handguns with gang members.

The film was released last year, and ends with a deadly-accurate prediction of how 2020's racial would be deployed to control the black vote.
In December, George Zimmerman filed a lawsuit based on the film's revelations.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12745

by Brive1987 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:10 am

A different type of gym.

Have you started your “dinosaur training”?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12744

by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:56 pm

To settle the Pit-Karens,

PZ and Ed didn’t part in best of terms
PZ didn’t get a mention in Ed’s farewell. Certainly he failed the leadership test.
PZ can’t afford to actually bad mouth Ed as he carks it.
The solemn “he’s dead” pronouncement is a nice piece of passive ambiguity.

Either “there are no words”

Or.

“I can’t be bothered to find words”.

Good one Paul.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12743

by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:51 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Once again I am astounded by the quality of your informed response.
You'll get over it.
This time you were spot on.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12742

by Percentage » Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:05 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:53 pm
Percentage wrote: he can't have been much over 50
Stone
Well, yeah. I'm still not quite sure exactly what the issue was, but it was almost certainly related to his weight. Obesity (real, clinical obesity, not a little flab) really is a killer, and that's becoming harder to talk about these days. I wonder if Michelle Obama wouldn't have chosen a different cause in 2020... and that's kind of weird to contemplate.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12741

by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:05 pm

“I just got word that Ed Brayton died peacefully last night.“

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12740

by free thoughtpolice » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:43 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12739

by Lsuoma » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:53 pm

Percentage wrote: he can't have been much over 50
Stone

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12738

by free thoughtpolice » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:31 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12737

by Lsuoma » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:27 pm

There's GOT to be some way for a wokester to take offense at that, BTW.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12736

by Percentage » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:23 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Over at PZs
“I just got word that Ed Brayton died peacefully last night.“
That’s all he wrote.
Presumably he doesn't really have anything else to say. I mean, what is there to say? I guess I'd expect some lengthier tributes over the next few weeks, but most everything Ed was notable for was very public - his blog, some of his organizing, and so on. He never quite broke into the mainstream of New Atheism/skepticism (or whatever remains of that decimated community), so he won't be getting notices in the mainstream media. It'll just be his friends, colleagues, etc. Nothing at all wrong with that, of course.

I admit I'm a little bit - not broken up exactly, but wistful. I didn't know Brayton, and I certainly think he deserved some criticism as do we all, but he was also a sharp guy willing to do some of the unsexy grunt work that is essential to the health and maintenance of any community/political movement. Especially with the advent of social media, a lot of activists (of whatever stripe) are drawn to the performative, public-facing aspect of politics and wind up mostly cultivating their own personal brand rather than contributing materially to some larger whole. Also, he had a long-running blog that I'd been reading (very inconsistently, but still) for most of the past decade.

I just feel like it wasn't his time, and - notwithstanding some of his missteps and the disagreements I may have had with him - he was a valuable member of the skeptic community with a lot left to contribute. (How old was he, anyway? His parents are apparently still alive, so he can't have been much over 50.)

But there's nothing to be done anymore. Rest in peace, Ed.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12735

by Lsuoma » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:23 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12734

by screwtape » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:04 pm

And SD, did you restart the lithium yet? We are finding it hard to keep up with the onslaught of posts.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12733

by screwtape » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:03 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I do have a fondness for sneering at certain kinds of Merkin.
Well, shame on you! Anyone with the guts/balls/backbone/name-your-favourite-bit-of-anatomy to wear a merkin deserves our respect. But the 'certain kinds' needs explication: blonde, black, ginger, long, short, curly, extensive or what? Asking for a friend...
KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD...
In which case I doubt the comment from the Duke of Gloucester could have applied: "Another damn'd thick, square book! Always, scribble, scribble, scribble! Eh! Mr. Gibbon?"

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12732

by Service Dog » Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:45 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12731

by Lsuoma » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:57 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Looks staged to me. Why is the other person filming instead of spotting?

Tatts are gross, but worth watching for the camel toe.
I was expecting her to squeeze one out there...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12730

by Lsuoma » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:52 am

KiwiInOz wrote: But then Suharto was also a beneficiary. Whether he was an opportunist or intended beneficiary is a question yet to be answered.
One of the best books on the subject I know is "The Jakarta Method" by Vincent Bevins.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12729

by jugheadnaut » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:59 am

Maclean's, basically Canada's version of Time Magazine, has a devastating hit piece on Kamala Harris from the left, basically expanding on Tulsi Gabbard.

Kamala Harris is no friend of the community

And, in a neither here nor there, here's an article from Maclean's from back in February, which found a highly disapproving writing from her father on a Jamaican web site written after Harris jokingly admitted that of course she's tried weed, she's Jamaican:
My dear departed grandmothers, as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics. Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty.
He's had other public criticisms of her and her sister (who is also accomplished) as well.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/kamala ... -heritage/

Seems like an almost comical exaggeration of the the stereotype of the stern West Indies father. Probably explains quite a bit about her personality.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12728

by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:39 am

Brive1987 wrote: Once again I am astounded by the quality of your informed response.
You'll get over it.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12727

by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:45 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: That’s all he wrote.
There's no reason that he should write more, or indeed anything at all, if he does not want to.
Once again I am astounded by the quality of your informed response.

Thank you.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12726

by jugheadnaut » Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:03 am

KiwiInOz wrote: You ask my motivation for posting the link. Let's see. I thought that it was an interesting piece of analysis, albeit overlong and a bit windy. I thought that it would be provocative (and it certainly worked on you).
Well, not really, I just mockingly dismissed it and saw no need to engage with it in any depth.
KiwiInOz wrote: I think that the US of A is its own worst enemy, and that the myths of exceptionalism that sustain it also drain it of legitimacy and power. For example: I watch in some bemusement that the myth of the rugged individual is held up as a pinnacle of achievement, when in fact it is evidence of divide and conquer, driven largely by corporate over citizen interests. I am also bemused that the citizens have allowed the political class to serve the interest of the plutocrats and drive the self fulfilling agenda that Government is the problem, rather than Government being representatives of the citizenry elected to do at scale for the citizenry what individuals can't do. The US of A swapped aristocracy and royalty for plutocracy and seems to think that the resulting inequality is evidence of successful revolution rather than a system set up to ensure success to the already successful.

I don't sneer at the USA, and see el Trumpo as a symptom not a cause.

I could do a comprehensive analysis of my thoughts, but I have a life and the Pit is a bit of respite and place of shit posting and camaraderie.
As you, quite intentionally, didn't include any evidence in your statement, I'm tempted to just go the Hitchen's Razor route. I will say, however, that I've heard the US is a plutocracy argument before and have always found it astonishingly weak, usually expressing more about the speaker's lack of understanding of the arguments of his political opponents than anything else.

The basic structure tends to be, the US isn't enacting policies I like and I believe benefit the common man at the expense of corporations, therefore the US must be run for the benefit of corporations/the rich. A classic example is 'right to work' laws, which allows corporations to permanently fire striking employees, even when part of a union. This has the effect of curtailing union labor monopolies and restricting their power to their natural market power. The leftist argument is that unions increase wages and improve working conditions, so how can the policy be to restrict their power unless public policy is controlled by corporations. The right wing, free market argument is that the benefits go only to a visible few, and monopolistic unions actually create unemployment and discourage innovation that increases productivity and, in the longer term, wages, and so the better policy for the common man is to have 'right to work' laws. The reason these laws may prevail isn't that the government is controlled by corporations, it's that the view that this is the better policy for everyone has, at least for the time being, carried the day.

Of course, there is an intersection of wealth and political power in the US, and there are real examples of corporatism that I deplore. These tend to have the main effect of keeping out smaller competition. But the US in no way stand out in this regard, it exists in almost all countries. In general, the bigger the scope of government, the bigger a problem it is, as there are far greater opportunities for rent seeking and corruption.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12725

by MarcusAu » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:48 am

Brive1987 wrote: That’s all he wrote.
There's no reason that he should write more, or indeed anything at all, if he does not want to.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12724

by Brive1987 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:35 am

Over at PZs
“I just got word that Ed Brayton died peacefully last night.“
That’s all he wrote.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12723

by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:29 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: https...://twitter.com/sap__00/status/1294077394064748544?s=21
Looks staged to me. Why is the other person filming instead of spotting?

Tatts are gross, but worth watching for the camel toe.
For:
Camera doesn’t move - appears to be propped
Selfy culture in gym space
The footage makes her look weak. Vegan level. No one wants that. Esp not blue haired tattooed vegans

Against
The bar falls on her face but doesn’t crush it

For
The bar falls on her face

Anyway. It’s an effective metaphor. :)

And the comments are amusing.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12722

by Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:32 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Looks staged to me. Why is the other person filming instead of spotting?

Tatts are gross, but worth watching for the camel toe.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12721

by free thoughtpolice » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:28 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12720

by free thoughtpolice » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:14 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 69826.html
Mr Cohen also references sex acts in the release but does not say whether Mr Trump took part.

"From golden showers in a sex club in Vegas, to tax fraud, to deals with corrupt officials from the former Soviet Union, to catch and kill conspiracies to silence Trump’s clandestine lovers, I wasn’t just a witness to the president’s rise—I was an active and eager participant."

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12719

by KiwiInOz » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:01 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:36 pm
Brive1987 wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD
The role of “emperor” underwent considerable evolution over the centuries. As did the form and function of the British Empire.

I wouldn’t equate Augustus with a fixed and finished form. Dude couldn’t even sort the succession out properly.
I always though that James Tiberius Kirk was one of the better emperors and generals. His conquest of Pannonia, Dalmatia, Raetia, and parts of Germania were particularly inspired.
Thank you for that considered reply. Today feels like just another day in 2020.

It's a good thing that she was wearing her mask for protection.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12718

by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:47 pm

KiwiInOz wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:36 pm
Brive1987 wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD
The role of “emperor” underwent considerable evolution over the centuries. As did the form and function of the British Empire.

I wouldn’t equate Augustus with a fixed and finished form. Dude couldn’t even sort the succession out properly.
I always though that James Tiberius Kirk was one of the better emperors and generals. His conquest of Pannonia, Dalmatia, Raetia, and parts of Germania were particularly inspired.
Thank you for that considered reply. Today feels like just another day in 2020.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12717

by KiwiInOz » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:36 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD
The role of “emperor” underwent considerable evolution over the centuries. As did the form and function of the British Empire.

I wouldn’t equate Augustus with a fixed and finished form. Dude couldn’t even sort the succession out properly.
I always though that James Tiberius Kirk was one of the better emperors and generals. His conquest of Pannonia, Dalmatia, Raetia, and parts of Germania were particularly inspired.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12716

by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:08 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD
13 years. meh. 'The Apprentice' was on TV 15 seasons.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12715

by KiwiInOz » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:02 pm

jugheadnaut wrote: snip

Did you post that link because you thought it was a well-presented argument, or just that you liked the conclusion? You would have been better off making the case yourself.

snip
You ask my motivation for posting the link. Let's see. I thought that it was an interesting piece of analysis, albeit overlong and a bit windy. I thought that it would be provocative (and it certainly worked on you). I think that the US of A is its own worst enemy, and that the myths of exceptionalism that sustain it also drain it of legitimacy and power. For example: I watch in some bemusement that the myth of the rugged individual is held up as a pinnacle of achievement, when in fact it is evidence of divide and conquer, driven largely by corporate over citizen interests. I am also bemused that the citizens have allowed the political class to serve the interest of the plutocrats and drive the self fulfilling agenda that Government is the problem, rather than Government being representatives of the citizenry elected to do at scale for the citizenry what individuals can't do. The US of A swapped aristocracy and royalty for plutocracy and seems to think that the resulting inequality is evidence of successful revolution rather than a system set up to ensure success to the already successful.

I don't sneer at the USA, and see el Trumpo as a symptom not a cause.

I could do a comprehensive analysis of my thoughts, but I have a life and the Pit is a bit of respite and place of shit posting and camaraderie.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12714

by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:59 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD
The role of “emperor” underwent considerable evolution over the centuries. As did the form and function of the British Empire.

I wouldn’t equate Augustus with a fixed and finished form. Dude couldn’t even sort the succession out properly.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12713

by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:57 pm



58 year old Sukarno married a 19 year old Japanese waitress in 1962. She was sent-away when things got hairy. Became a socialite, cosmetics mogul, & TV personality in Japan, for decades. Dated Warren Beatty. Stabbed a phillipine heiress with a broken glass in Aspen in 1992 (37 stitches/ 34 days in jail).
Posed for a book of sexy pictures at age 50. https://tinyurl.com/yyputwyq
Owned a pack of 16 dogs. Still going strong on Japanese TV-- as a kind of Betty White/Joan Rivers shock humor prankster.


(info from jap girlfriend)

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12712

by justinvacula » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:51 pm



Lol SSA sharing Teen Vogue

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12711

by KiwiInOz » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:32 pm

But then Suharto was also a beneficiary. Whether he was an opportunist or intended beneficiary is a question yet to be answered.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12710

by KiwiInOz » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:26 pm

Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: My friend's grandfather was one of the six generals captured and killed by the 30 September Movement militants in 1965.
In the movie version, 30 September was a failed communist coup attempt, against the dictator. Which was also the dictator's official version. Resulting in the dictator killing a half million people, as communists, with US backing. (Despite the overlap in perspective-- the movie was banned in Indonesia until 2000.)

But another theory sez the six generals were planning a coup against the dictator on Oct 5, so the lower-level officers who mutinied on 30 September-- were actually loyal to the dictator. Rather than being a coup-attempt, 30 September stopped a coup.

Yet another theory sez the dictator steered the whole thing-- to eliminate rivals & grassroots commies.

The intrigues are on a par with The Last Kingdom or Game of Thrones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Septem ... r_Movement

Do you have an opinion-- about what really happened?
I think that it was a purge with multiple agendas. Whether Sukarno directly ordered it, or asked "Will no one rid me of these troublesome Generals?", is neither here nor there. The PKI were the fall guys (and they were not paragons of virtue by any means). It certainly allowed for the madness that followed.

Indonesia hasn't yet come to grips with it, but some are working towards understanding and reconcilliation (e.g. https://en.tempo.co/read/766242/agus-wi ... l-interest , https://en.tempo.co/read/924144/human-r ... -dark-past). Agus Widjojo is a key player in the demokrasi movement in Indonesia.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12709

by Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:32 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I don't see how it is possible to follow the process by which the Steele novel achieved prominence
A lot of women bought it, is how.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12708

by Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:28 pm

justinvacula wrote:

Lol Greg Laden
Greg could teach Trump how to turn off his Pussy-Grabbing Switch.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12707

by Stankeye » Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:39 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Stankeye wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:33 pm
Well for some reason I wonder in this environment if this bombshell article from Matt Taibbi will actually have any affect.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-spies ... XUku1JHT2E
What is really surprising about this "bombshell" is that anybody is surprised. This story was uncovered a long time back. Klaxons have been sounding, red flags flapping everywhere and obviousness headbutting everyone while screaming "look at me, I'm fucking obvious". And what we get as a media response is refusal to cover it, liars pretending that Steele was somehow legit and a chorus of chirps about Flynn and Papadopoulis pleading guilty. I don't see how it is possible to follow the process by which the Steele novel achieved prominence, who the conduits were, the odd circumstances and shady characters involved in trying to elicit confessions from Papadopoulis and set up Flynn as a traitor, the dismissal of counter evidence, doctoring of evidence and official lies and still not see that this was a palace coup. But then there are ahem, bears in the woods who think CNN sourced legal opinions vomited up by Legal Turkey are credible.
Trump may end up being the chemotherapy we needed but I don't know if the body can handle 4 more years of it or not. We can only hope for a more effective treatment but I don't know where it will come from.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12706

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:34 pm

Stankeye wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:33 pm
Well for some reason I wonder in this environment if this bombshell article from Matt Taibbi will actually have any affect.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-spies ... XUku1JHT2E
What is really surprising about this "bombshell" is that anybody is surprised. This story was uncovered a long time back. Klaxons have been sounding, red flags flapping everywhere and obviousness headbutting everyone while screaming "look at me, I'm fucking obvious". And what we get as a media response is refusal to cover it, liars pretending that Steele was somehow legit and a chorus of chirps about Flynn and Papadopoulis pleading guilty. I don't see how it is possible to follow the process by which the Steele novel achieved prominence, who the conduits were, the odd circumstances and shady characters involved in trying to elicit confessions from Papadopoulis and set up Flynn as a traitor, the dismissal of counter evidence, doctoring of evidence and official lies and still not see that this was a palace coup. But then there are ahem, bears in the woods who think CNN sourced legal opinions vomited up by Legal Turkey are credible.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12705

by justinvacula » Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:15 pm



Lol Greg Laden

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12704

by Driftless » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:26 am

Service Dog wrote: Wisconsin govt agency mandates mandatory facemasks for Zoom teleconference calls from home.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 335232001/
If the internet is really a series of tubes then maybe you can catch the virus through the internet.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12703

by Driftless » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:25 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: I like Bret, but that's the type of Unity plan a ten-year-old would come up with.
They apparently will call the whole thing off if it looks like they'll lose. I'm not sure how they will determine that or how it works.

It also assumes that the President/VP have more power than they do. If congress refuses to work with them they won't get anything done.

I also don't see them getting any good press coverage.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12702

by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:09 am




Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12701

by justinvacula » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:57 am

Happy Birthday David Silverman

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12700

by jugheadnaut » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:35 am

Service Dog wrote: Wisconsin govt agency mandates mandatory facemasks for Zoom teleconference calls from home.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 335232001/
If anyone needed proof that a major motivation for mask mandates is the desire to compel performative virtue signaling and tribal affiliation signaling, this is it.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12699

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:12 am

Service Dog wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:11 am
I concur with juggie's 'Barcelona' diagnosis & John D's comet comparison.
KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD and the Brits at least managed from 1600s to 1960ish. How long will the USA be a world power before it has a civil war between the mask wearers and the free breathers and collapses into mehdom?
To me-- this appears to conflate 3 or 4 ways of sneering at americans; which are mutually incompatible.

Strain #1 acknowledges that the US was the undeniably great in the 20th century-- but lamenting that US success will be short-lived. And the failure will be deserved because the uncultured US was unworthy of top-tier status.

Strain #2 denies US greatness-- painting the US as a sinister cabal, crushing the world-village with bombs and junkfood monoculture and bad economics. The fall of the US death machine is to be cheered, not lamented.

Strain #3 taunts the US for being such hapless rubes-- we can't shop for groceries without brawling over face masks. Which is incompatible with the admitting achievements of #1.

Strain #4 mocks our dumb & dumber two-party system, for lacking a parliament of additional choices. But this conflicts with #2-- reforming the US imperialist death-machine-- just makes it stronger. The rest of the world should hope we remain hopelessly deadlocked... and see the merciful wisdom in the design of our politics.

All 4 strains can be voiced around the same coffee-shop table, with everyone nodding-along. Heck, one person can say all 4 things-- without noting the contradictions. As long as the only purpose of the talk talk talk is Eric Berne/Games People Play/Transactional Analysis/ circle jerking... with the real subtext being "I wish America would stop winning"/ "Me too"/ "Me too"/ "Me too". But if the 4 talkers actually compete to see whose theory is correct-- they'll notice their puzzle pieces don't match.
I'm not sure which strain I represent. I do have a fondness for sneering at certain kinds of Merkin. Each country seems to produce it's own flavour of arrogant fuckwits and the US flavours are particularly noticeably as a consequence of cultural dominance. Power corrupts and the sins of the US are a consequence of that, but one has to take into account that a lot of those sins are committed with good intentions. As far as I am concerned America, and the West in general, are being demonised for practices which they did the most to eradicate from the world. They are being punished for raising people up economically and giving them the time and moral sensibilities to beat up on the West. It's that thing where being the first to admit the error of one's ways gives hypocrites license to point fingers. I'm getting sick and tired of being blamed for things as part of the white collective by identity groups who commit vastly disproportionate amounts of murder and crime against white people and their fellows. Sauce for the Steersman and all that.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12698

by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:05 am

Wisconsin govt agency mandates mandatory facemasks for Zoom teleconference calls from home.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 335232001/

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12697

by Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:30 am

I like Bret, but that's the type of Unity plan a ten-year-old would come up with.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#12696

by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:26 am

KiwiInOz wrote: My friend's grandfather was one of the six generals captured and killed by the 30 September Movement militants in 1965.
In the movie version, 30 September was a failed communist coup attempt, against the dictator. Which was also the dictator's official version. Resulting in the dictator killing a half million people, as communists, with US backing. (Despite the overlap in perspective-- the movie was banned in Indonesia until 2000.)

But another theory sez the six generals were planning a coup against the dictator on Oct 5, so the lower-level officers who mutinied on 30 September-- were actually loyal to the dictator. Rather than being a coup-attempt, 30 September stopped a coup.

Yet another theory sez the dictator steered the whole thing-- to eliminate rivals & grassroots commies.

The intrigues are on a par with The Last Kingdom or Game of Thrones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Septem ... r_Movement

Do you have an opinion-- about what really happened?

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by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:11 am

I concur with juggie's 'Barcelona' diagnosis & John D's comet comparison.
KiwiInOz wrote: The Roman Empire lasted from 8 BC - 5 AD and the Brits at least managed from 1600s to 1960ish. How long will the USA be a world power before it has a civil war between the mask wearers and the free breathers and collapses into mehdom?
To me-- this appears to conflate 3 or 4 ways of sneering at americans; which are mutually incompatible.

Strain #1 acknowledges that the US was the undeniably great in the 20th century-- but lamenting that US success will be short-lived. And the failure will be deserved because the uncultured US was unworthy of top-tier status.

Strain #2 denies US greatness-- painting the US as a sinister cabal, crushing the world-village with bombs and junkfood monoculture and bad economics. The fall of the US death machine is to be cheered, not lamented.

Strain #3 taunts the US for being such hapless rubes-- we can't shop for groceries without brawling over face masks. Which is incompatible with the admitting achievements of #1.

Strain #4 mocks our dumb & dumber two-party system, for lacking a parliament of additional choices. But this conflicts with #2-- reforming the US imperialist death-machine-- just makes it stronger. The rest of the world should hope we remain hopelessly deadlocked... and see the merciful wisdom in the design of our politics.

All 4 strains can be voiced around the same coffee-shop table, with everyone nodding-along. Heck, one person can say all 4 things-- without noting the contradictions. As long as the only purpose of the talk talk talk is Eric Berne/Games People Play/Transactional Analysis/ circle jerking... with the real subtext being "I wish America would stop winning"/ "Me too"/ "Me too"/ "Me too". But if the 4 talkers actually compete to see whose theory is correct-- they'll notice their puzzle pieces don't match.

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by Driftless » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:08 am

KiwiInOz wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Comment I posted today on Politiwoke, in response to a TDS sufferer responding to another jaded liberal like me wondering where the 'lesser of two evils' line actually lies:
I wrote:Trump is a narcissist, a bombast, and a boor. He's inept, play-acting at president.

But I closely observed Kamala Harris' ruthless climb up the CA Dem party machine. She is utterly devoid of ethics, lacks a moral compass, has no sense of loyalty and will stab an ally in the back without hesitation. She has no regard for the rule of law, routinely having abused the power of her offices. She is vindictive, often sadistically so. Her only agenda is aquiring personal power. I believe her to be a clinical sociopath.

Harris could well soon be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Were she to enter it, she would prove a despot, ruling by fiat, ignoring Congress, flaunting the Constitution, and punishing all who stood in her way. In short, Kamala Harris is a threat to our Republic. This goes far beyond 'lesser of two evils'.
Are there any legitimate third party options for you guys to vote for. It does seem that you have the rock and the hard place (or devil and the deep blue sea, for the religious) well covered.
I have not looked at it, but Bret Weinstein has the Unity 2020 idea:

https://articlesofunity.org/

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by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:29 am

KiwiInOz wrote: Are there any legitimate third party options for you guys to vote for. It does seem that you have the rock and the hard place (or devil and the deep blue sea, for the religious) well covered.
We've got the pink polo shirt option, the hawaiian shirt, it-just-means-anti-fascist-maaaaan, chimp-out at the shopping mall, QAnon, Pink Pussy Hats, Jesse Lee Peterson, Wall Of Karens, the Deep State, unfunny comedy show hosts for Progress, White celebrities singing 'Imagine', Farrakan, The Jews, The Squad, Incels, HIllary, Tekashi 6ix9ine. Plenty of options.

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by John D » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:15 am

KiwiInOz wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
It's hard for me to conceive of a more stark "this way lies bullshit" warning than the author being "Leadership Chair in Cultures and Ecosystems at Risk at the University of British Columbia". However, I'll give him some credit for amusingly looking like a younger version of Skipper from Gilligan's Island.
Hmmmm. I seem to recall someone being upset that people could discount an argument from a person because of labels and preconceptions.
Haha.... the old "End of the Republic" story.

Read your political history friends. There is a prediction that the US Republic is doomed to die every 4 years. And this has been true for 200 years. A relatively small problem like Covid, while it feels horrible to live through, is nothing compared to other problems the US has faced. For fucks sake... we made it through one of the biggest civil wars in history.

This reminds me of the religious fanatics that think the end times are coming every time a comet gets close to the Earth.

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by Service Dog » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:28 am

justinvacula wrote: Lol PZ Myers....
...math has often been used to justify oppression, whether it’s that slaves only count as 3/5ths of a person...
PZ has it backwards. The slave-states were the ones who wanted to slaves to be counted as a full person. The northern states wanted the slaves to count not-count at-all.

To count slaves as five-fifths would give the slaves states more electoral college power & seats in the House of Representatives. (That's a strange thing for PZ to wish-for.)

And and and... the actual compromise proposal was "one Member for every thousand Inhabitants 3/5 of Blacks included." Three-fifths of a thousand people is 600 people. No need to amputate any individual blacks.

The delegates from South Carolina and Georgia proposed that blacks count fully, but that proposal was over-ruled.

The actual adopted wording was "three fifths of all other Persons".

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by screwtape » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:45 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Harris could well soon be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Were she to enter it, she would prove a despot, ruling by fiat, ignoring Congress, flaunting the Constitution, and punishing all who stood in her way. In short, Kamala Harris is a threat to our Republic. This goes far beyond 'lesser of two evils'.
So no change, then?

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by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:36 am

When satire grabs you by the throat

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by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:25 am

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by Brive1987 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:42 am



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