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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10104

by John D » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:40 am

How much will liberty die over this????

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10103

by screwtape » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:20 am

Bhurz:
The hardest part of parenting is to watch children undergo the vital and necessary process of making their own mistakes. You watch the slow-motion car crashes and know that you could help the kids avoid them, and know too that without those experiences they learn nothing for themselves. The best you can do is to keep the open door policy going. I want to say don't be judgemental, but your experience and good judgement is part of the package of help when needed. Just don't open with it as the last thing a hurt and damaged young adult needs is a lecture on their stupidity. My father was a master at this - one pained and disappointed look was enough to have me mend my ways whenever I let him down as a child. He never criticised, just looked hurt. Very effective.

Matt:
Possibly a waste of money, but I too have been playing with grown-up toys. I was hoping that if the transplant was successful I could spend some time at a range near the house we are renovating and will/would have move(d) to nearer the wife's clinic. I have converted my nipples (all three* of them!) to use #11 shotgun primers which should resolve difficulties with hangfires of the Pyrodex. I am also fascinated by the ballistics of the .17HMR and have acquired a Ruger bolt action in this calibre. But these days, all I get to use is my pre-charged pneumatics for garden games. The FX Dreamline is a blast!
*one on a T/C Hawken .50, and two on a Navy Arms S/S 12G shotgun.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:32 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: Bhurzum - it sounds like you've made the right first step and made contact and allowed a bit of free wheeling conversation/blame offloading etc. IMHO the worst thing for you to do now would be to insert yourself into the space as father and protector. I would suggest that you maintain low key contact with them, being open to hearing what they have to say without being reactive or judgemental, and letting them dictate the terms for now. You need to demonstrate that you are a safe space and play the long game.

But you know this, so I'm just validating.
Any/all advice is welcome. Remember: I'm a fucking caveman and about as subtle as a brick to the forehead.

I must admit, in the past, I always thought there was something wrong with my circuits - if anyone went within arms-reach of my kids, I instantly went into fight-mode. My wife laughed this off as the simple overly-protective nature of a new father. Over time (and due to the reassurances of my wife) I calmed down to the stage where I would allow my kids to play in the local park without being right next to them. It was the stuff of nightmares and even though I'd maintain a constant vigil, it became a manageable evil.

After my conversation with my youngest, it has ripped that can of worms open again and I'm back at square one.

I've never felt so helpless or useless in my life.
Mate, I totally understand the feeling of helplessness/uselessness. Being tough is easy for you. But you will have to harden the fuck up in order to do the soft stuff that is required to actually be useful to your girls. It won't be easy but it will be worth it (ya big Jessie).

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10101

by Bhurzum » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:36 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: Bhurzum - it sounds like you've made the right first step and made contact and allowed a bit of free wheeling conversation/blame offloading etc. IMHO the worst thing for you to do now would be to insert yourself into the space as father and protector. I would suggest that you maintain low key contact with them, being open to hearing what they have to say without being reactive or judgemental, and letting them dictate the terms for now. You need to demonstrate that you are a safe space and play the long game.

But you know this, so I'm just validating.
Any/all advice is welcome. Remember: I'm a fucking caveman and about as subtle as a brick to the forehead.

I must admit, in the past, I always thought there was something wrong with my circuits - if anyone went within arms-reach of my kids, I instantly went into fight-mode. My wife laughed this off as the simple overly-protective nature of a new father. Over time (and due to the reassurances of my wife) I calmed down to the stage where I would allow my kids to play in the local park without being right next to them. It was the stuff of nightmares and even though I'd maintain a constant vigil, it became a manageable evil.

After my conversation with my youngest, it has ripped that can of worms open again and I'm back at square one.

I've never felt so helpless or useless in my life.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10100

by Bhurzum » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:27 pm

John D wrote: I got some good advice from my therapist. He told me that I need to make sure she understands that I am always here to help. That I should let her know I only want the best for her. I may not know what this looks like, but I am open to trying to understand what she needs.
That sounds like solid advice. I'm phoning them both on Friday, will relate this to Bethany.

Thanks, John.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:03 pm

Bhurzum - it sounds like you've made the right first step and made contact and allowed a bit of free wheeling conversation/blame offloading etc. IMHO the worst thing for you to do now would be to insert yourself into the space as father and protector. I would suggest that you maintain low key contact with them, being open to hearing what they have to say without being reactive or judgemental, and letting them dictate the terms for now. You need to demonstrate that you are a safe space and play the long game.

But you know this, so I'm just validating.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10098

by KiwiInOz » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:54 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: After considerable research, handling and firing a variety of handguns, and much hemming and hawing, I went and bought a Beretta 92:

Beretta.JPG


Actually, I bought it over a month ago. But the state DOJ had bolloxed the gun shop’s FFL licensing paperwork, so they were limited to selling fishing tackle. Two weeks later, they were official again, so I drove the hour and half, passed the background check, aced the 30-question safety test, then waited the obligatory ten day ‘cooling down’ period to drive the hour and half back, pass the loading/unloading test, and finally take it home.

In the middle of all this, the virus panic hit. On my second of three trips, the governor had just issued a state-wide lock-down the day before. Fearing that gun and ammo sales would be stopped, folks swarmed the gun stores. It was a madhouse.

Funny thing, though: certain municipalities did start shutting down gun stores, all while releasing thousands of prisoners unable to ‘social distance’ in their jail cells, and tasking LE with enforcing self-quarantines. Because self-defense is “not an essential function”. Oh, and because too many new gun owners stuck at home might lead to a spike in suicides, domestic violence, and negligent discharges. Which makes abrogating constitutional rights okay.

Fortunately for me, the county in question took a more hands-off approach, because there’s a 30-day window to pick up your new gun before having to start the process all over. The shop was nearly out of ammo, though they'd set aside some 9x19 for me. I’m also low on buckshot but the best they could offer was BB.


Anyway, I love the damn thing. It’s an A1, a derivative of the FS, but with a small picatinny rail in front of the trigger guard. It’s sweet to operate, fits perfectly in my big mitts, and has several built-in safety features. With being so used to my shotgun, I'll need to work on my stance and my trigger pull. As soon as I can score some more target load, that is.
I'm confused. Does it shoot water, nerfs, or potato pellets?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by John D » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:31 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: After considerable research, handling and firing a variety of handguns, and much hemming and hawing, I went and bought a Beretta 92:

Nice gun. I have fired one of these that a friend owns. I really liked how it felt. Good choice.

I have a Glock 17 - 9mm x 19. Ugly gun... but I really like it. It is my home defense gun. I leave it ready for action, with 3 magazines full of hollow points, in a safe in my bedroom. I live in a stupidly safe neighborhood so I doubt I will ever need it. Still, I have scenarios in my head about what I would do under particular situations. It mostly looks like me hiding in my bedroom, behind a big dresser, while I call the cops.

I have been thinking about getting my concealed carry permit. Thinking about a .38 revolver snub nose that will fit in a pocket holster. I am not a very experienced shooter so I would worry about a semi-auto with a round in the chamber shoved in a holster. Double action feels safer and still only needs one hand to operate.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10096

by John D » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:20 pm

Bhurzum wrote: You buggers are pretty smart, are 100% more sensible than I am, please advise! I'm stressing out over this and am sick with worry. I know I'll do something I regret and even though I can handle any fallout, I'm terrified I do something retarded and make Bethany worse. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated...
Don't know how smart I am but I can sympathize with you. My oldest daughter and I have fallen on tough times. She acts like she hates me. I am privileged and monstrous in her view. I have always been a provider and protector of her so her rejection of me has hurt me deeply.

I got some good advice from my therapist. He told me that I need to make sure she understands that I am always here to help. That I should let her know I only want the best for her. I may not know what this looks like, but I am open to trying to understand what she needs.

This approach allows me to have my own opinion, my own life, but also let her know she can count on me.... that I feel a duty to help her if I can.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10095

by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:55 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: I'll need to work on my stance and my trigger pull.
I take it "First pressure, second pressure, release and follow-through" are also taught in the states? If not, I'm an extremely experienced coach and will gladly DM you hints/tips.

(sorry if that's egg-sucking!)
Hey that'd be great! Anything and everything would surely be of benefit.

Regarding the much-maligned 92FS/M9 trigger, Paul Harrell says to "first take the slop out" of the SA pull. I took a shooting lesson recently and the gal observed I was tugging instead of squeezing. I said, but what about my trigger mechanics?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10094

by Bhurzum » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:30 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: I'll need to work on my stance and my trigger pull.
I take it "First pressure, second pressure, release and follow-through" are also taught in the states? If not, I'm an extremely experienced coach and will gladly DM you hints/tips.

(sorry if that's egg-sucking!)

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10093

by Bhurzum » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:26 pm

Well, after a lengthy spell of radio silence, I managed to get in touch with my daughters again. Basically, a friend of a friend let slip that my youngest, always the more level-headed of the pair, has moved in with a "nae user" (Scottish slang for a scumbag), promptly lost her job, severed all ties with the family and has become a social outcast.

Obviously this news did not sit well with me and after wrestling with it for a few days, I released my winged monkeys to track down and obtain contact info.

Got into touch with my eldest first (Victoria) and had a rather emotional conversation on the phone. Not afraid to admit I was bubbling like a big Jessie (Scottish slang for wuss), went from feeling overcome with guilt to bursting with pride at how well she has developed over the years - she's working as assistant manager in a care home (elderly and mental health residents), has a mortgage on a beautiful wee house (first rung of the property ladder) and is getting married next year - they had to postpone this due to work/financial upheaval but are now on track to their dream wedding.

(Victoria on right)

https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5EA9F840

I've been invited to the wedding (again) but won't be going. Too much bad-blood with ex-wife, would only end up car-park-wrestling with her brother(s) and even though I enjoy porridge, I don't fancy a striped suntan.

Anyway, we had a lengthy conversation, lots of old wounds were patched up and we've vowed to maintain regular contact in the future. I also obtained a contact number for daughter #2 (Bethany) and a possible address in a serious shit-hole area of Glasgow.

Phoned her up, rang for eternity, she finally answered. Again, quite an emotional conversation during which she revealed the string of events which led to her current situation. Turns out, my ex-wife has all but disowned her (Victoria hinted at this during our conversation but it didn't "click" at the time) and she has been struggling with mental health issues of her own - something to do with anxiety and minor self-harm (she headbutts walls to "level things out" - her own words) and has been seeing a therapist on-and-off for a couple of years. Even though offered, she's adamant that medication is 100% not an option - I've got no idea if this is a good or bad thing, felt completely out of my depth and helpless as she told me all of this. Suffice to say, I'm now worried sick about my baby daughter, the girl who was titanium-clad and the bane of school bullies (something of an achievement in an Eastend of Glasgow highschool!) has now become this broken and vulnerable person I barely recognize.

Oh, and her other half, even by her own words, sounds like someone I'd quite like to shallow grave. The address I was given was wrong (but in the correct general area) so I'm currently tapping other winged-monkeys to narrow the search down a bit.

I'm now caught between my instincts to protect my child (starting with stomping her BF into the fucking dirt) and standing off, calming down and trying to be more objective about things. I know that I only have two modes of operation - ignore or over-react - so to prevent myself from making things worse, I'll chew my own fist and await further details.

The reason I'm posting this?

You buggers are pretty smart, are 100% more sensible than I am, please advise! I'm stressing out over this and am sick with worry. I know I'll do something I regret and even though I can handle any fallout, I'm terrified I do something retarded and make Bethany worse. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated...

Oh, another pic of my eldest and her fiance...how cute a couple, huh?

https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5EAAC2A4

(No idea who the baby is)

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10092

by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:15 pm

After considerable research, handling and firing a variety of handguns, and much hemming and hawing, I went and bought a Beretta 92:
Beretta.JPG
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Actually, I bought it over a month ago. But the state DOJ had bolloxed the gun shop’s FFL licensing paperwork, so they were limited to selling fishing tackle. Two weeks later, they were official again, so I drove the hour and half, passed the background check, aced the 30-question safety test, then waited the obligatory ten day ‘cooling down’ period to drive the hour and half back, pass the loading/unloading test, and finally take it home.

In the middle of all this, the virus panic hit. On my second of three trips, the governor had just issued a state-wide lock-down the day before. Fearing that gun and ammo sales would be stopped, folks swarmed the gun stores. It was a madhouse.

Funny thing, though: certain municipalities did start shutting down gun stores, all while releasing thousands of prisoners unable to ‘social distance’ in their jail cells, and tasking LE with enforcing self-quarantines. Because self-defense is “not an essential function”. Oh, and because too many new gun owners stuck at home might lead to a spike in suicides, domestic violence, and negligent discharges. Which makes abrogating constitutional rights okay.

Fortunately for me, the county in question took a more hands-off approach, because there’s a 30-day window to pick up your new gun before having to start the process all over. The shop was nearly out of ammo, though they'd set aside some 9x19 for me. I’m also low on buckshot but the best they could offer was BB.


Anyway, I love the damn thing. It’s an A1, a derivative of the FS, but with a small picatinny rail in front of the trigger guard. It’s sweet to operate, fits perfectly in my big mitts, and has several built-in safety features. With being so used to my shotgun, I'll need to work on my stance and my trigger pull. As soon as I can score some more target load, that is.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10091

by Pseudomonas » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:05 pm

Keating wrote:
Pseudomonas wrote: <Tap Tap... > Is this thing back on?

Pauline Hanson. The sad thing is that people vote for her.
She was better before Abbott destroyed her, but, yeah, she is dumb. The really sad thing is that she's still better than the Sarah Hanson-Youngs of the Senate.
To me, she always sounds like she's about to burst into tears. No argument about SHY... :bjarte:

Pseudomonas

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10090

by Service Dog » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:12 pm

I've just-begun this Nick Gillespie/Reason Magazine interview with "Rational Optimist" Matt Ridley.

But he has enlightened me-- that bats need to practice social distancing, to stop incubating viruses. So I'm hooked...

https://reason.com/podcast/matt-ridley- ... -pandemic/

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10089

by Service Dog » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:09 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for YouTube channels that do long form interviews (up to around 3 hours) with authors and other such notables...
EconTalk is the very best. And it's not strictly limited to 'economics'...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKAu-m ... KPA/videos

honorable mentions...

Cartoonist Kayfabe(looking-back at past-greats in the comic book industry), look for the Shoot Interviews playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU0v4I ... /playlists

Art of Wrestling, look for the Full Episodes playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ColtCabana ... /playlists

WTF Podcast with Marc Maron
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0xgw_ ... 3hw/videos

the New Culture Forum with Peter Whittle
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuYHZz ... wMQ/videos

Mises institute economics
https://www.youtube.com/user/misesmedia/videos

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10088

by Keating » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:02 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for YouTube channels that do long form interviews (up to around 3 hours) with authors and other such notables...
Here's my current list that matches your requirements to at least some extent:

Eric Weinstein:
https://www.youtube.com/user/nobani88/videos

Michael Malice:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5tj5Q ... 5Xw/videos

Triggernometry:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7oPkq ... -6w/videos

Benjamin Boyce:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm13xH ... Z3Q/videos

Rebel Wisdom:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQ6Gp ... Umw/videos

Dave Smith:
https://www.youtube.com/user/DSmithcomic/videos

Former Deputy PM John Anderson:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtnYSE ... Uww/videos

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10087

by Brive1987 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:15 pm

PZ Myers recent observation:

“I am professionally a biologist, and Lord but I hate that phrase “biological sex”. What does it mean?”

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10086

by free thoughtpolice » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:26 pm

Many peoploe are saying this dude has XDS (XI derangement syndrome:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10085

by MarcusAu » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:51 am

Since I had such good luck asking about this sort of thing before...

Does anyone have any recommendations for YouTube channels that do long form interviews (up to around 3 hours) with authors and other such notables...

The 'Film Archives' channel seems to have become rather inactive - but I downloaded a couple of things from there. Mary Roach and Patrick Cockburn if I'm recalling correctly - they may have originated from C-Spans 'Book TV'.

This things work well for me - I can just download the audio to listen to when walking. So 2 - 3 hours is a good length. Yeah, I know - Joe Rogan - but I find is content to be variable.

On the other hand - I also enjoy short stories - so if anyone has a favourite reading from YouTube - let me know (I've got HorrorBabble and Edward French from last time). And I'm looking for short time travel stories at the moment. (Though any recommendation would be appreciated).

cheers...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10084

by MarcusAu » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:19 am

You've probably got an opinion about the General Lying-In Hospital too.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10083

by screwtape » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:23 am

Service Dog wrote: Tonight, I've been tracking another global pandemic. One which will require the indefinite closing of the world's most beautiful scenic mountains, cliffs, rivers, coasts, wild animal preserves... all celebratory social gatherings.... and definitely definitely all RAILWAYS. In fact-- only a universal Shelter In Bed order can hope to flatten this fatal curve...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... and_deaths
I remember a few years back that even the analog photography community was posting warnings on blogs and in forums to avoid taking photographs on railway lines because of the surprising number of deaths.

And talking of Shelter in Bed, in the physician Richard Asher (father of the model Jane, who was one of Paul McCartney's girlfriends, and the person who first described and named Munchausen's Syndrome), wrote a monograph in the BMJ in 1947 on The Dangers of Going to Bed:
► Show Spoiler
Some prescient remarks there on the evils of lying abed. Later he wrote a collection of various medical thoughts (Talking Sense, long out of print) and wondered, tongue in cheek, if the large numbers of deep vein thromboses seen amongst users of the early high dose birth control pills was due to the pills or whether it happened because such ladies were now able to spend more time in bed! A clever and irreverent man, he died by suicide in 1969.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10082

by Service Dog » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:58 pm

on the serious side-- unless this is fake news from feminists who can't stand not-being the world's biggest victims, for once...

All at once, there is an outbreak of news articles about outbreaks of domestic violence-- due to people spending all their time at home. So many articles: https://tinyurl.com/vcmqe3z

It seems to me-- if this phenomenon is real-- that all the kids being sent home from school are likewise at-risk of a giant upswing in child abuse... (which is disproportionately committed by mothers, not fathers.)

I do see other headlines, expressing concern for child abuse. But I'm always a little amazed that the publicized face of Domestic Violence victims is adult women, not children.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10081

by Service Dog » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:35 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: Here you can see the virus mutating in almost real time. Absolutely fascinating.

Just remember to wash your hands.
The purple arrows emerge from China, of course. And as the rainbow of mutations increase & criss-cross, no lines travel back-in to China...
until one brave, little American-red arrow shot-back at China. Take that! USA! USA!

=

Tonight, I've been tracking another global pandemic. One which will require the indefinite closing of the world's most beautiful scenic mountains, cliffs, rivers, coasts, wild animal preserves... all celebratory social gatherings.... and definitely definitely all RAILWAYS. In fact-- only a universal Shelter In Bed order can hope to flatten this fatal curve...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... and_deaths

Mandatory facemasks/burqas might help stop my camdemic.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10080

by Lsuoma » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: Here you can see the virus mutating in almost real time. Absolutely fascinating.

Just remember to wash your hands.
I've benn following that site for a couple of weeks now, and it's really interesting (I worked in biotech/bioinformatics for a few years, so I can understand a lot of it).

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10079

by Lsuoma » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:34 pm

screwtape wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: Fuck that shit, SD - trying to do ANYTHING on Dilaudid is a fucking AWESOME idea! Trust me...
The first time I had shingles, round my waist, I was given sublingual buprenorphine to play with. Very pleasant, like being wrapped in warm cotton wool as you drift off to sleep. The second time, on my perineum, scrotum etc (Oh, no! Not on the etcetera!) I declined the Dilaudid. Just couldn't afford to get constipated with shingles of the asshole.

Mrs Dr Screwtape is now separately isolated within the household with fever, myalgia, cough and sore throat. I leave food outside her door and pick up the dishes with rubber gloves. Can't take her to the nearest testing site without sharing a vehicle for a 100km round trip, and if positive would just carry on with the same measures anyway. The Chinese may beat us up with this business, but they won't make us love them.
Sorry to hear of your travails, Screwy. I actually got a test last Friday because I've had some immunosupression (lymphoma is still around, but receding), and it came back negative.

Also, I was 60 last Weds, so moved from invulnerable to 99% certainty dead within 5 days.

The thing I liked about Dilaudid was about two seconds they released it into the line I got a gripping feeling at the back of my neck, my 8-9/10 pain went straight to 0, pretty much instantly, and Seraphim and Cherubim started circling my head tootling on their lovely horns.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm



Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10077

by KiwiInOz » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:34 pm

Here you can see the virus mutating in almost real time. Absolutely fascinating.

Just remember to wash your hands.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10076

by KiwiInOz » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:32 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10075

by screwtape » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:09 pm

Lsuoma wrote: Fuck that shit, SD - trying to do ANYTHING on Dilaudid is a fucking AWESOME idea! Trust me...
The first time I had shingles, round my waist, I was given sublingual buprenorphine to play with. Very pleasant, like being wrapped in warm cotton wool as you drift off to sleep. The second time, on my perineum, scrotum etc (Oh, no! Not on the etcetera!) I declined the Dilaudid. Just couldn't afford to get constipated with shingles of the asshole.

Mrs Dr Screwtape is now separately isolated within the household with fever, myalgia, cough and sore throat. I leave food outside her door and pick up the dishes with rubber gloves. Can't take her to the nearest testing site without sharing a vehicle for a 100km round trip, and if positive would just carry on with the same measures anyway. The Chinese may beat us up with this business, but they won't make us love them.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10074

by Service Dog » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:39 pm

Finally, I understand PZ Myers' decade-long conversion... to fanatical Maoism.

PZ was aiming for a job at the W.H.O. !

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10073

by Keating » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:50 pm

Keating wrote: I was going off what Bret said here at 7 minutes:
Brett corrected himself in his latest podcast, saying it isn't a retrovirus.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10072

by Service Dog » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:56 pm

Corona took my friend's dad.
Maybe you saw the news-- he wrote & recorded the original version of I Love Rock N Roll.
Also, the original version of Joan Jett's hairstyle.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10071

by Lsuoma » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:25 am

Fuck that shit, SD - trying to do ANYTHING on Dilaudid is a fucking AWESOME idea! Trust me...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10070

by Service Dog » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:00 am

In a BAD car accident. Both femurs broken (multiple places). Tried to
upgrade, but fucked it up, courtesy of Dilaudid.
I appreciate your diligence, but trying to upgrade the Pit while driving high on Dilaudid-- was a bad idea.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10069

by John D » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:22 am

Love me some Rucka.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10068

by screwtape » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:26 am

RNA is not a problem in itself, but it has led to some unscientific science reportage. Rather than finding an antigen that won't cause reactions itself in a vaccine, purifying it and proving it generates an immune response, one can take a short-cut these days if you have the target organism's genome. Slice it up and put a portion into a vaccine (you can probably figure out for yourselves why you don't use the whole genome!) The DNA is injected or otherwise introduced into recipients, and they make the antigen themselves, following which their immune system will mount an immune response. Such DNA vaccines are used for veterinary purposes, and the vaccine against the Zika virus was the first to be used in humans, I think. But take this article Dalhousie research team prepares for clinical trial of COVID-19 vaccine, in which only DNA is mentioned. Since all coronaviruses are single-strand RNA, I don't know if they use the RNA directly in the vaccine, or whether a double strand of DNA is first synthesised from it (which is trivially easy these days). I looked it up and RNA vaccines are a thing, and that's probably what the CBC article is referring to, and probably substituted DNA because they don't know the difference.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10067

by Keating » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:14 pm

I was going off what Bret said here at 7 minutes:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10066

by free thoughtpolice » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:39 pm

Iwas at the mall today and saw some dumbass with a shopping cart full of mostly toilet paper. I thought that part of thr panic was over by now.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10065

by free thoughtpolice » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:32 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-c ... d-n1150091
Governments need to spend more on vaccines and research.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10064

by mike150160 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:13 pm

polio is an RNA virus and we do have a vaccine

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10063

by mike150160 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:10 pm

Just an RNA virus

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10062

by mike150160 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:10 pm

Not a retrovirus

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10061

by Keating » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:45 pm

That's why I'm sceptical of a vaccine. It's an RNA retrovirus, and we don't have vaccines for other retroviruses like HIV or the common cold. This would actually be something were it would be great to get ERV's input.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10060

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:17 am

screwtape wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:42 am
Isn't it the case that the better we lock down at the first hint of cases, the more susceptible people will remain for the disease to rebound among when the lockdown is relaxed? That's already happened in Hong Kong, and it will be happening in Wuhan too, though I doubt if the Chinese will admit it. If a vaccine is a year away, the only way to get past this is to have sufficient herd immunity that future cases will remain at a low level until all can be immunised. That it to say, something like 80% of us must catch and either survive or succumb to the virus. Will the final death toll be much higher if we do it quickly, or will the number of deaths be much reduced if we drag it out and try to save the sickest with ventilators? And this must be costed in terms of how much damage is done to our economies with either choice. Remember, this seemingly callous policy was the official advice in the UK and in Sweden. The UK has largely caved in to avoiding getting all the deaths at once, though even there schools remain open, ostensibly to allow health care workers to remain on duty while their children are at school. So far, Sweden has stuck to the policy of allowing life to go on as normally as possible, but their politicians admit they will change course if deaths are beyond that which they can tolerate while still having some hope of re-election.

And FT - seems like you're going to have some enforced and unavoidable quiet time at home for a few months whether you like it or not. That might just save your life. Hope you make a full recovery and things out in the world have stabilised by the time you're back on deck.
That's what I thought, until I heard that this virus can re-infect recovered patients, which puts a bit of a dent in the herd immunity theory. My conclusion thus far, speaking as a medical ignoramus, is that we might be forced to quickly re-purpose the most likely looking antiretrovirals and give them to the vulnerable. It 's difficult to see a way out of this at the moment. Here in South Africa we have a lot of people with AIDS and various other compromising diseases like tuberculosis. On top of that you have malnourishment and an already tanked economy. We have just been downrated to junk status by Moodys, the last bond credit rating agency to do so. We have been ordered to stay indoors for 3 weeks with only medical, grocery and banking related journeys allowed. There are so many people, unemployed or otherwise, who survive from day to day and it is unrealistic to expect them to sit inside starving and watching their children starve. I'm expecting violence.

It just occurred to me that AIDS patients on antiretrovirals might be best placed to avoid C19.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10059

by Hunt » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:38 am

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10058

by jg64 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:22 am

Sorry to hear about your accident Ft, glad you’re ok and that The Pit’s back :dance:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10057

by MarcusAu » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:06 am

...and Alberto Uderzo has died...

It was not Corvid related for anyone of a mind to be looking for a silver lining.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Keating » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:09 pm

Driftless wrote: Would it be 5% die and the rest OK? I would bet that the symptoms are a continuum from don't even notice to it kills you quick. There will be a large number of people in the category of "got very sick but just made it" and many of those will have permanent lung and/or heart damage. And many of those will wish they were dead while they have it. That is something to be concerned about. I would like to avoid that if possible.

If you look at South Korea they did much more to contain it early. Even with the wacky church that made the spread much worse they were able to contain the virus without a total lockdown. It is too late now for Europe and North America for this virus, but maybe we can prepare better for the next one by being ready to test and isolate.

Thunderf00t has been putting out some good videos that look at the rate of expansion of cases to try to see where the exponential expansion slows. One of the duh moments for me was understanding that the death rate is not "deaths as of today divided by cases as of today" because the deaths today are of people who contracted the virus a week, 10 days or more ago. It is similar with hospitalizations. That means that the number of deaths and hospitalizations are still going to go up in the US and Europe and will continue to overwhelm the health case system. So doing letting the virus run its course will be a disaster for the health case system.
That's all true, but what a lot of people discount is that the economy is also people's lives. I don't think it matters too much whether you die from Chinese airborne AIDS or from suicide because you lost your job, can't work and all your assets depreciated to nothing due to inflation. Screw too big to fail and bailing out massive corporations, but lives will also be destroyed from the base economic effects of not being able to live. From the scale of it, this may even make the Great Depression look like a picnic.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Keating » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:04 pm

Pseudomonas wrote: <Tap Tap... > Is this thing back on?

Pauline Hanson. The sad thing is that people vote for her.
She was better before Abbott destroyed her, but, yeah, she is dumb. The really sad thing is that she's still better than the Sarah Hanson-Youngs of the Senate.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Keating » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:00 pm

Sorry to hear about your trouble FT. You picked a good time to fill yourself full of metal, at least. No metal detectors to go through for a while.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10053

by BoxNDox » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 pm

Bhurzum wrote: No idea where the source sits upon the reliability/bias spectrum buuut...
BREAKING: Breakthrough Medical Study For Hyroxychloroquine May Vindicate Trump And Change Everything
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-b ... Dl.twitter

Could be a ray of light in these dark times.
This audio program produced by the Journal of the American Medical Association offers a fairly balanced assessment IMO:

https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/ ... r/18337225

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10052

by fuzzy » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:57 pm

Batman's soup is a dish best served cold.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10051

by Bhurzum » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:39 pm

No idea where the source sits upon the reliability/bias spectrum buuut...
BREAKING: Breakthrough Medical Study For Hyroxychloroquine May Vindicate Trump And Change Everything
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-b ... Dl.twitter

Could be a ray of light in these dark times.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by free thoughtpolice » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:45 pm

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10049

by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:39 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:57 am

Hot Potato, Orchestra Stalls
Puck must make amends.

My thighs now contain more titanium than an SR-71 Blackbird, but the breaks were clean and full recovery is expected within some months.

Man, do I like Dilaudid, though - I can really see how people can get hooked on that shit.

Please let me know of any oddities in the Pit. The database was fine, so there should be no lost posts or images. The icons on the reply box are too small for some reason, but they have tool tips if you hover.

Apart from that I don't, personally, see any problems. The extension that put profile boxes on the left doesn't work with the new version, and I'll need to learn a bit about how YAML works with PHP to fix that.

Take care folks, and thanks for coming back - I was afraid that people might just drift away.

We're isolating ourselves on Whidbey Island, which is noce - we have an unobstructed view over Admiralty Inlet (major component of Puget Sound), and the Olympic mountains, with Mt Rainier in the south.

Laters...
Good luck with recovery, ya tit. Good to hear the brakes were clean. You must tell us about the accident one day, when you're ready mentally and legally to do so. Go and spend your days looking at that view for a while, and watch the dilaudid. Opiates hold no fascination for me - amazingly, as I tend to get addicted to all the classic simuli - but as you're susceptible, enjoy them in a controlled way. Let your wife have control of the bottle, assuming she herself has never had problems in that way.

Hope the breeze remains behind your sails.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:04 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:57 am


Man, do I like Dilaudid...

...

Laters...


You know I had a theory that your work premises were declared an infected zone - and that you had to go back in in a Haz-Mat suit to kick the server in the guts to get the site back up.

Reality seems even less plausible.

In any case - look after yourself - which goes for every one here I suppose...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by free thoughtpolice » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:40 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Man, do I like Dilaudid, though - I can really see how people can get hooked on that shit.
I broke my leg about 15 years ago, really shattered it, and then had to have it reset after I kicked the wall in my sleep because of the pain. Great fun.
I had Dilaudid aka Hydromorphone for painkiller and didn't particularly like the effects. It wasn't super effective for the pain (maybe I had too small a dose) and I found it made me feel kind of blah. When I quit taking it I had no withdrawals and generally felt in a better mood.
I have tried it since when not in pain and found it not as good a buzz as some good cannabis and a few beers.
Not particul;arly my cup of poison.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10046

by jugheadnaut » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:16 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Service Dog wrote: Corona Economics

On one hand, there's Peter Schiff-- saying the economy was a bubble/ overdue to pop-- and Corona was just the pin popping-it...
with the $2.2 Trillion Dollar Government Sledgehammer making the pop much-worse:
https://tomwoods.com/ep-1614-peter-schi ... ronavirus/

On the other hand, there's Gene Epstein-- saying the US economy will bounce back, much-like after WW2, when the Keynesians predicted a 1950's Great Depression...due to 11 million young men returning from war & looking for work + a giant decrease in govt spending:
https://art19.com/shows/d0ab5d6f-1972-4 ... st_size=10
All Economics is Voodoo Economics.
Very baffling. I wonder if the '80s era understanding of macroeconomics is going to prove as ill conceived as the '80s understanding of nutrition science. Certainly no one would have predicted a decade long massive monetary easing with vast deficits and much vaster long-term entitlement obligations would be concomitant with a low-inflation, historically stable, albeit relatively low growth economy. And now it will be topped off with a spending program equivalent to about 2 months of GDP, and there's nothing resembling a consensus among economists on the consequences. I really wish there was an economist like Milton Friedman around now to explain the situation. Even if you disagreed with his conclusions, having someone with a first-rate mathematical mind who could also explain economic arguments clearly in non-technical language would be invaluable.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10045

by John D » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:41 am

Hey FT. One weird thing happened to me. I posted a photo jpg as a file attachment.... but the photo displayed turned 90 degrees. I checked the photo in my viewer and it shows that it is oriented correctly. Maybe it is just me.

Also, I share your opinion of Dilaudid. I got it when I had a kidney stone. It turned a 10 out of 10 pain to a 2 out of 10 in a matter of seconds after it entered my blood stream. A wonderful thing.

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