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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Percentage » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:30 pm

So I found myself linked to Ophelia Benson's blog the other day, and spent an hour or so poking around, because I hadn't visited her site since maybe 2017 or so.

...the woman has lost it. Aside from Trump, literally all she posts about is her completely obsessive anti-trans vendetta. Frankly it's to the point of monomania. I don't even have that strong an opinion about the whole trans debate, but this shit is not normal or healthy. What is it about this subject that causes people to go so totally off the rails?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:12 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: snip

Hey, the woke left turned this into a Light vs. Dark cosmic battle. They can fuck off, and I'll gladly associate instead with anyone who's willing to tolerate political and ideological differences.
Slymepit for President

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:09 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: You wouldn't get much fun if you put your left and right onto a seesaw. They actually have to be either side of the centre point.
Centrepoint - Still rather controversial after all these years.
Ah, yes. Bert Potter.

I was at Uni with a female former member of that commune.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:08 pm

Hunt wrote: snip

Look, it's Senile Granpa vs. The Retard. Either way, the free world is screwed!

snip
I think that its a spinoff from the Dumb and Dumber movie franchise.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: You wouldn't get much fun if you put your left and right onto a seesaw. They actually have to be either side of the centre point.
Which end do you think they're both on?
The down side, obviously.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:46 pm

Driftless wrote: Found this and wonder how it is that no justification is required for the label "alt-right weirdo":
The entire essay is so uncharitable... it's written in the voice of today's vicious one-sided reporting.

I surmise this Yasha Levine has disdain for his own readers. For example, Levine provides the link to Taibbi's facebook mea culpa-- right there in the open for every reader to click & see-- but then Levine dares to misreport the contents of the facebook post. Levine is betting-on his readers not clicking the link. He's betting-on readers trusting him more than they should. Who cares if he loses a few readers-- the ones who bother to click & see for themselves. Goo Riddance!, The readers he retains require less effort to deceive.

Taibbi's facebook post:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:38 am

Found this and wonder how it is that no justification is required for the label "alt-right weirdo":

https://yasha.substack.com/p/matt-taibb ... ocrite-b78
I mean, just look at how Matt talks about cancel culture with that alt-right weirdo Bret Weinstein. Dialing in from his office, which is decked out with a cool drum kit and framed Rolling Stone covers, Matt explains that cancel culture is actually a Bolshevik-like bacillus. It’s infecting our institutions! We gotta get it out!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:18 am

Service Dog wrote: I find it a little strange that Greenwald's label for Rogan's image is 'conservative'... combat sports, crude jokes, hunting, talking like a 'regular guy'...

when the obvious common denominator there is masculinity.
Gay men have it easier, in the current atmosphere, embracing their masculinity. Woke males, especially those unctuous 'male feminist allies', have been indoctrinated to view any and all traditional masculine displays or behavior as 'toxic'. Since only non-woke -- i.e., per their Manichaeism, 'conservative' -- men act masculine, masculinity is, by default, perceived as conservative per se. It is interesting that Greenwald, who sees through the woke nonsense, unconsciously reiterates that.


But I also have a gut-level concern that people I know in IRL-- who overtly treat me like they don't have a big problem with me-- have been putting on masks and throwing molotovs-- and they haven't told me to my face that I'm on their permament shitlist-- mostly for being a big hairy white-ish straight guy who laughs at offensive jokes and doesn't hate Trump blindly-enough.
My Berner friend is being mercilessly hounded, shamed, and 'cancelled' for announcing she'll either vote third party or not at all for POTUS, but under no circumstances can support Biden. And that's in solid blue Oregon, where her vote is inconsequential.

Hey, the woke left turned this into a Light vs. Dark cosmic battle. They can fuck off, and I'll gladly associate instead with anyone who's willing to tolerate political and ideological differences.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:39 am

Driftless wrote: Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑
Glenn Greenwald on why the Leftist elite hate Joe Rogan:
While Rogan is politically liberal, he is … culturally conservative …. Rogan exudes culturally conservative signals: He likes MMA fighting, makes crude jokes, hunts, and just generally fails to speak in the lingo of the professional managerial class and coastal elites. And it is those cultural standards, rather than political ones, that make Rogan anathema to elite liberal culture because … liberals care far more about proper culture signaling than they do about the much harder and more consequential work of actual politics.
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/22/as- ... klash-why/
Interesting article. If Rogan had a Harvard degree maybe those people would think better of them, which just shows their bigotry.
I find it a little strange that Greenwald's label for Rogan's image is 'conservative'... combat sports, crude jokes, hunting, talking like a 'regular guy'...

when the obvious common denominator there is masculinity. Even Rogan's resistance to the entire transgender agenda-- is connected to Rogan voicing the boundaries of his own masculine gender.

I'm not saying Greenwald's assessment is incorrect. Just that the omission of the obvious-- invites the question of why it was omitted.

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The same 'culturally conservative' analysis has also been applied to why the Dems didn't embrace Tulsi. And why the Obama team rolled their eyes at Biden. And maybe they're both too masculine for the sophisticated elites, too.

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The inverse of the elite's distaste for Rogan-- is Buttigieg/Kamala/Warren-- whose gay/nonwhite/vagina branding distracts boomer-dems from their actual CIA/badcop/sellout substance.

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For the last day-or-so, I've been thinking about whether support for BLM in 2020 will-- or should-- haunt people into the future. Is it a disqualifier, if you're hiring someone in, say, 2023? Should it be? My first thought is-- yes, it should be. But I also have a gut-level concern that people I know in IRL-- who overtly treat me like they don't have a big problem with me-- have been putting on masks and throwing molotovs-- and they haven't told me to my face that I'm on their permament shitlist-- mostly for being a big hairy white-ish straight guy who laughs at offensive jokes and doesn't hate Trump blindly-enough. So the Golden Rule gives me pause about canceling those who showed their dull-beige-NPC colors in 2020.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:42 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Glenn Greenwald on why the Leftist elite hate Joe Rogan:
While Rogan is politically liberal, he is … culturally conservative …. Rogan exudes culturally conservative signals: He likes MMA fighting, makes crude jokes, hunts, and just generally fails to speak in the lingo of the professional managerial class and coastal elites. And it is those cultural standards, rather than political ones, that make Rogan anathema to elite liberal culture because … liberals care far more about proper culture signaling than they do about the much harder and more consequential work of actual politics.
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/22/as- ... klash-why/
Interesting article. If Rogan had a Harvard degree maybe those people would think better of them, which just shows their bigotry. As it is now I guess he looks too much like a deplorable.

Spotify staffers are also upset that his podcasts go out without their censorship:

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2020/0 ... oversight/
A group of Spotify staffers are now reportedly pushing to introduce direct editing oversight over The Joe Rogan Experience — before the episodes go live. That includes content flags, trigger warnings, references to fact-checked information, or simply refusing to publish an episode at all.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:50 am

Is Jill the voice behind Sleepy Joe's earpiece?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:34 am

Glenn Greenwald on why the Leftist elite hate Joe Rogan:
While Rogan is politically liberal, he is … culturally conservative …. Rogan exudes culturally conservative signals: He likes MMA fighting, makes crude jokes, hunts, and just generally fails to speak in the lingo of the professional managerial class and coastal elites. And it is those cultural standards, rather than political ones, that make Rogan anathema to elite liberal culture because … liberals care far more about proper culture signaling than they do about the much harder and more consequential work of actual politics.
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/22/as- ... klash-why/

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 am

Senate releases scathing report on Hunter and other Biden relatives making bank from China, Ukraine and other foreign powers; Obama admin aware of its VP's conflict-of-interest. MSM will, of course, if it doesn't completely ignore it, will dismiss it as a partisan hit job.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/ ... _FINAL.pdf

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Hunt » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:06 am

To be read in Trump voice:

"I really don't get it. We have really great people, so many great people. People who would be great presidents, so great, perfect for the job. Why are these two our choice?"

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Hunt » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:03 am

Service Dog wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: First presidential debate in one week. Dems have got to find some lame excuse to cancel:

C'mon, man!

Biden doesn't need a teleprompter! He's got reporters to prompt him...

Look, it's Senile Granpa vs. The Retard. Either way, the free world is screwed!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:51 am

Looks like the usual suspects have been slacking - so I'll have to post this myself...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:14 am

Despite the de-plat - it looks like Alex is still prepared to do a PSA...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 am

KiwiInOz wrote: You wouldn't get much fun if you put your left and right onto a seesaw. They actually have to be either side of the centre point.
Centrepoint - Still rather controversial after all these years.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:58 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: You wouldn't get much fun if you put your left and right onto a seesaw. They actually have to be either side of the centre point.
Which end do you think they're both on?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:31 pm

This is for real:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:47 pm

You wouldn't get much fun if you put your left and right onto a seesaw. They actually have to be either side of the centre point.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:16 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I know Tucker may be exaggerating slightly, but can you honestly say that he is wrong? I'm a bit puzzled as to the lack of urgency shown by Joe Public about the situation. The Democrat Party is,as near to explicitly as they can, encouraging lawlessness and getting people killed. Not only that, they are doing their best to get victims of violence prosecuted for defending themselves. They are making a concerted attempt to turn any quite normal protocols into unacceptable behaviour worthy of violent protest. Are people too afraid to say what they feel? Are they genuinely unaware of what is being done to their country? How can anyone not feel absolute disgust with the politicians whipping people into a violent frenzy while wagging their fingers about non-existent crimes?. You might wonder why a foreigner is so concerned. Well, the anti-white Marxist rhetoric really is emboldening race grifters and Marxists abroad, our president included. For all of it's faults the US, along with some European countries, stood as a guarantor of the survival of liberal principles. That may not be true for much longer. I think the time for conciliatory gestures is gone. If Trump wins the election I hope he unleashes the dogs and exposes for everyone to see the scale of deception and subterfuge mobilised against him.
Yes, they are. Can you blame them? I'm getting a real sense of considerable silent support for Trump -- plus rejection of Harris-Biden on the far Left. How much remains to be seen.

Also, the moves made of late by the Biden campaign indicate to me they are concerned about enthusiasm among their base. Deeper dive polling shows Biden well behind Hillary in core base demographics.

I believe the Dems overplayed their hand with these supreme court seat apoplexy. Threatening to "blow up the system", riot, physically shut down the government, pack the court, add Dem-friendly states in violation of the Constitution, or even urge secession, looks bad.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:56 pm

AndrewV69 wrote: :o :o :o



:lol: :lol: :lol:
I love the redhead cracking up. At least someone has a sense of humour.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:12 pm

I know Tucker may be exaggerating slightly, but can you honestly say that he is wrong? I'm a bit puzzled as to the lack of urgency shown by Joe Public about the situation. The Democrat Party is,as near to explicitly as they can, encouraging lawlessness and getting people killed. Not only that, they are doing their best to get victims of violence prosecuted for defending themselves. They are making a concerted attempt to turn any quite normal protocols into unacceptable behaviour worthy of violent protest. Are people too afraid to say what they feel? Are they genuinely unaware of what is being done to their country? How can anyone not feel absolute disgust with the politicians whipping people into a violent frenzy while wagging their fingers about non-existent crimes?. You might wonder why a foreigner is so concerned. Well, the anti-white Marxist rhetoric really is emboldening race grifters and Marxists abroad, our president included. For all of it's faults the US, along with some European countries, stood as a guarantor of the survival of liberal principles. That may not be true for much longer. I think the time for conciliatory gestures is gone. If Trump wins the election I hope he unleashes the dogs and exposes for everyone to see the scale of deception and subterfuge mobilised against him.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by John D » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:36 pm

Pro-Trump anti-BLM fighter. Wow man.... haha. Good stuff at 6:00 and about 12:00. He beat the living piss out of a black fighter who just chanted "Black lives matter" all the time. Called him an evil commie.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by jugheadnaut » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:25 pm

Driftless wrote:

That must be Canadian for "Bless your heart".
Canadian version of "As American as Apple Pie": As Canadian as possible under the circumstances.

Most boring headline conceivable: Sensible Canadian initiative debated.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:09 am

AndrewV69 wrote:
Driftless wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:44 am
mordacious1 wrote: Sooo...a Canadian tried to assassinate the President of the United States. Isn’t that enough reason to invade?
Since a percentage of our forests are now cinders, we could use the lumber resources.
Also, the Democrats want more states. This would do it.
As polite as they are we just have to ask to come in.

Q: How do you get a Canadian to say he's sorry?

A: Step on his foot.
True story bro. Also:

Q. How do you know a Canadian is telling you to fuck off?

A. When the Canadian tells you "Thank you for your input".
That must be Canadian for "Bless your heart".

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by AndrewV69 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:57 am

Driftless wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:44 am
mordacious1 wrote: Sooo...a Canadian tried to assassinate the President of the United States. Isn’t that enough reason to invade?
Since a percentage of our forests are now cinders, we could use the lumber resources.
Also, the Democrats want more states. This would do it.
As polite as they are we just have to ask to come in.

Q: How do you get a Canadian to say he's sorry?

A: Step on his foot.
True story bro. Also:

Q. How do you know a Canadian is telling you to fuck off?

A. When the Canadian tells you "Thank you for your input".

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by AndrewV69 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:54 am

:o :o :o



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:44 am

mordacious1 wrote: Sooo...a Canadian tried to assassinate the President of the United States. Isn’t that enough reason to invade?
Since a percentage of our forests are now cinders, we could use the lumber resources.
Also, the Democrats want more states. This would do it.
As polite as they are we just have to ask to come in.

Q: How do you get a Canadian to say he's sorry?

A: Step on his foot.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:46 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: First presidential debate in one week. Dems have got to find some lame excuse to cancel:

C'mon, man!

Biden doesn't need a teleprompter! He's got reporters to prompt him...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by mordacious1 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:43 am

Sooo...a Canadian tried to assassinate the President of the United States. Isn’t that enough reason to invade?
Since a percentage of our forests are now cinders, we could use the lumber resources.
Also, the Democrats want more states. This would do it.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:43 am

Driftless wrote: I thought AR-15s were bad guns. Apparently guns aren't bad, the people who carry them are (or something):
I thought race-based militias were bad. And police outsourcing their dirty work. And "gender-based violence".
"'It's important to have men from the community step up for the community,' Sasha Cotton, director of the city's Office of Violence Prevention"



And outsiders crossing state lines...
Romeal Taylor, 28, joined the group after seeing people who weren't from the neighborhood... "These were outsiders truly intent on destroying this city."

[[ 6 sentences later]]
....

"As well as continuing to patrol in the north Minneapolis, the Freedom Fighters have also traveled to other protests where violence has erupted...
Some members traveled to Louisville, Kentucky,"

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:22 am

First presidential debate in one week. Dems have got to find some lame excuse to cancel:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Hunt » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:32 am

Driftless wrote: I thought AR-15s were bad guns. Apparently guns aren't bad, the people who carry them are (or something):
It's usually the bullets that kill you.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:27 am

I thought AR-15s were bad guns. Apparently guns aren't bad, the people who carry them are (or something):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Floyd.html
An armed group of black men who began patrolling Minneapolis during the unrest in the wake of George Floyd's death have been praised by city officials.

The Minnesota Freedom Fighters was formed in late May after the NAACP chapter in the city's north, predominantly black, neighborhood put out a call for residents to help protect small businesses from violence, fires and looting.

A group of about two dozen men gathered and have patrolled the streets since, carrying AR-15s and Glocks and wearing tactical vests and bandannas.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:23 am

Keating wrote: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/gamer ... l-justice/

Contains a summary of Elevatorgate too.
NewDiscourses.com wrote: Atheism Plus did not like to be questioned, and its most obvious activity was attempting to problematize the luminaries and lights of the movement, which it still continues to this day (despite the movement having effectively dissolved almost five years ago).
That's a pretty nifty trick for a movement that was in effect a solution looking for a problem. And by the writers own admission stillborn.

Seems to be the narrative provided is at best incomplete. For instance if looking for early canaries - they might like to look into media studies and feminism going back to the 2nd Wave (or the Suffragettes and Seneca Falls set - if you want to include the MRA perspective).

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by screwtape » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:04 am

KiwiInOz wrote: The trial by ordure just seems par for the course.
You naughty, funny, boy.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by AndrewV69 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:57 am

Keating wrote: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/gamer ... l-justice/

Contains a summary of Elevatorgate too.
Thanks for the link. I just finished reading it. I am going to reread it too.

Not now though ... I am off to bed.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:17 pm

This brave hero sacrificed himself to demonstrate the lengths that Democrats will go to unseat Trump.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:54 pm

Service Dog wrote: "Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) touted her intersectional oppression in a recent interview with the New York Times, lamenting that she constantly has to “deal with the hate of anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-blackness, but also with sexism” in the United States."

Dear Muslima...
Must be why she can't stay married. Although her latest is rich by some coincidence. ;)

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:52 pm

.
I don't think the truth will be told-- about who Jake Gardner really was & how he was let-down by the system-- except in this article:
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking- ... s-own-life

And I don't trust this tweet... I trust the video interview below it...



Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#13611

by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:17 pm

"Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) touted her intersectional oppression in a recent interview with the New York Times, lamenting that she constantly has to “deal with the hate of anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-blackness, but also with sexism” in the United States."

Dear Muslima...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by jugheadnaut » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:55 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Then I read more about the 'Biden rule'-- until today, I thought it was based on something Biden said during the 2016 Garland mess. But, no, it was based on something Biden said back in 1992. I am warm to-- using something that fuckwit Biden blathered back in 1992-- against him in 2016. So the 2016 Republicans are even less 'wrong' in my book. The Democrats can only blame themselves for hitching their wagon to Biden again & again & again.
It wasn't just Biden in 1992, Schumer said in 2007 "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court, except in extraordinary circumstances". It's clear the Democrats were always (or at least since 1992) planning to deny confirmation to a Republican nominee in the last year of a term if they controlled the Senate.

I do think the GOP committed a protocol error by unprecedently not allowing the Garland nomination to proceed and come to a vote and then not confirming the nomination if he was so unacceptable. I think McConnell was worried that moderate Senators from blue states could not be trusted to vote along party lines, and he wanted to spare Senators the embarrassment of having to explain why they voted not to confirm the sort of Democrat nominee that Republicans historically grudgingly accepted. He should have had the courage of his convictions and if there were 3 or 4 Republican Senators who insisted on voting to confirm, that's a good indication the nomination was a fair one.

Instead, while the plan went perfectly for the GOP, it raised the political animosity around Supreme Court nominations that began with Bork and Thomas to a fever pitch, and from here on in, it will be impossible to get a new Supreme Court Judge through if the Presidency and Senate are polarized regardless of what term year the President is in. We may eventually get a crisis where the Court is stuck at 8 members for several years, or the Democrats may go though with their threat of expanding the number of SC judges if they take full control, which would also be a crisis since it would then go tit for tat with every changing of the guard.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:46 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Why were the Republicans wrong?
Earlier today, I woulda said the Republicans were wrong to leave Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland hanging-- until it expired. I thought they were in dereliction of their duty.

After reading your reply-- I find it plausible that the Republicans were playing within the rules of the game-- to block the nomination. But I still thought it was 'wrong' for the Republicans to assert they were blocking the nomination on principle/ rather than as a bald political ploy.

At least, by April 2017, Mitch McConnell was already admitting the Biden Rule was 'absurd' and should not become permanent policy, going forward.

Then I read more about the 'Biden rule'-- until today, I thought it was based on something Biden said during the 2016 Garland mess. But, no, it was based on something Biden said back in 1992. I am warm to-- using something that fuckwit Biden blathered back in 1992-- against him in 2016. So the 2016 Republicans are even less 'wrong' in my book. The Democrats can only blame themselves for hitching their wagon to Biden again & again & again.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:51 pm

Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: it seems that the Dems have historically passed Repub noms whereas the converse has not been true
I think you're overlooking the obvious precedent:

wikipedia
Following Bork's nomination, Sen. Ted Kennedy took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of him, declaring:

Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is—and is often the only—protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy ... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice.[27][28]

Bork responded, "There was not a line in that speech that was accurate."[29]
In an obituary of Kennedy, The Economist remarked that Bork may well have been correct, "but it worked."[29]

Bork also contended in his best-selling[30] book, The Tempting of America, that the brief prepared for Sen. Joe Biden, head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, "so thoroughly misrepresented a plain record that it easily qualifies as world class in the category of scurrility."[31] Opponents of Bork's nomination found the arguments against him justified claiming that Bork believed the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional, and he supported poll taxes, literacy tests for voting, mandated school prayer, and sterilization as a requirement for a job, while opposing free speech rights for non-political speech and privacy rights for gay conduct.[32]

However, in 1988, an analysis published in The Western Political Quarterly of amicus curiae briefs filed by U.S. Solicitors General during the Warren and Burger Courts found that during Bork's tenure in the position during the Nixon and Ford Administrations (1973–1977), Bork took liberal positions in the aggregate as often as Thurgood Marshall did during the Johnson Administration (1965–1967) and more often than Wade H. McCree did during the Carter Administration (1977–1981), in part because Bork filed briefs in favor of the litigants in civil rights cases 75 percent of the time (contradicting a previous review of his civil rights record published in 1983).[33][34]
As I indicated previously, I think that the politicisation of the process and of the nominees to the independent third arm of your Government smacks of a corruption that runs deep in your system. The trial by ordure just seems par for the course.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#13607

by Keating » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:33 pm

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/gamer ... l-justice/

Contains a summary of Elevatorgate too.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:17 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:52 pm
KiwiInOz wrote: So it was ok that the Republicans through McConnell stopped Obama from replacing Scalia 11 months before the election, but its dubious politics to say that maybe replacing RBG should wait until after the election in a month or so?
I think the Repubs were in the wrong in 2016. Unfortunately for the Dems, two wrongs don't make a right... so it's still wrong now. The correct thing for the Dems to do-- is concede that Trump is allowed to make the nomination. And proceed with the confirmation process fair & square. But the Dems could also campaign like hell-- making the case that letting Trump win this-one shows the Dem's superior commitment to honorable, consistent fair-play: a reason to replace Trump & Republicans-- with Democrats. This strategy I've proposed-- would only work if the Dems actually were more virtuous. Unfortunately, they aren't.
Why were the Republicans wrong? You hold the senate and the presidency, you nominate a replacement. You don't like the candidate or think there's going to be an opposition bias in the SC with an incoming opposition to possibly exaggerate bias, you block if you hold the senate. Was always thus. This Biden Rule that lips are flapping about supposedly only applies when the presidency and Senate are at odds. Fact is that SC justices are political appointees. At least it is out in the open. The alternative would seem to be appointments by the judiciary themselves and then you may well end up with a hidden, unaccountable ideological bias given the nature of academia these days.

My two cents says that the US constitution was designed to be the least worst of all possible worlds and the core of it contains safeguards to idiot proof it. The principles behind it apply just as well today as they did then, so the progressive tendency to believe that they know better should be strongly resisted because that comes with a lot of potential for bolloxing everything. Not to say that I am in favour of the right injecting religious morality into it. I think it would be uncontroversial to say that the Rep justices are more prone to sticking with the letter of the constitution while Dem ones are more given to "re-interpreting it because current year", so that may perhaps be why Democrats have been less likely to block appointments in the past, if that is indeed true.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Sulman » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:09 pm

Service Dog wrote: .
The one thing we know for-certain... about Biden's list of nominees...

is it starts with a black women, then more black women, then somewhere down the list is...



...and then more black women

and then

after that

everybody else.
There's at least several in that one.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:56 pm

Service Dog wrote: .
The one thing we know for-certain... about Biden's list of nominees...

is it starts with a black women, then more black women, then somewhere down the list is...



...and then more black women

and then

after that

everybody else.
The newest justice sits on the end of the bench. I see several justices flying through the air.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:00 am

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:54 am

If I were to hack the teleprompter & insert my own text-- I couldn't make-up anything worse for BLM, than their actual dialogue.



The funny thing about Kimmel introducing the other guy as 'nine time Emmy nominee' --is that a nomination isn't a win.

Much like a rape allegation isn't a conviction. Three Time Rape Nominee, Anthony Anderson...
Sexual Assault allegations
Anderson was accused of raping a 25-year-old extra in a trailer on the film set of Hustle & Flow on July 27, 2004. The alleged victim accused Anderson and assistant director Wayne Witherspoon of forcibly removing her clothing, photographing her naked body, and digitally penetrating her.[17] A witness claimed to have heard the alleged victim's screams and to have seen her run naked from the trailer, and she was treated at St. Francis Hospital. The charges were dropped on October 6, 2004 because the judge ruled that there was no probable cause to try the case.[18]

Anderson was sued for sexual assault in September 2004 by another woman who claimed that Anderson made sexually suggestive remarks and then assaulted her in his dressing room on the set of All About the Andersons.[19]

On July 20, 2018, it was revealed that he was being investigated by the Los Angeles Police Department for another sexual assault allegation.[18] On September 4, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Anderson due to lack of evidence.[20]

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Pitchguest » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:33 am

Driftless wrote:
Pitchguest wrote: Also, I kind of question the validity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's final, dying wish. I don't know why. Call it a gut feeling.
It is what Democrats would want her to say. Who knows if she actually had that on her mind as she died. And there is nothing in the constitution to support the claim that outgoing justices can dictate how or when their successor is nominated. I think the Democrats need a reason to rally the troops before the election and this happened at a convenient time.
I mean, I suppose I can sort of buy it if she said postpone an appointment until after the ELECTION, but apparently she said, according to her daughter, postpone until the NEXT PRESIDENT. So supposing Trump wins, her dying wish would be for the Supreme Court to remain vacant for FOUR YEARS. Somehow it doesn't ring true to me.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:15 am

.
The one thing we know for-certain... about Biden's list of nominees...

is it starts with a black women, then more black women, then somewhere down the list is...



...and then more black women

and then

after that

everybody else.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Service Dog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:05 am

"This is the Supreme Court, not the Make A Wish Foundation." --twitter

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Driftless » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:46 am

Pitchguest wrote: Also, I kind of question the validity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's final, dying wish. I don't know why. Call it a gut feeling.
It is what Democrats would want her to say. Who knows if she actually had that on her mind as she died. And there is nothing in the constitution to support the claim that outgoing justices can dictate how or when their successor is nominated. I think the Democrats need a reason to rally the troops before the election and this happened at a convenient time.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by mordacious1 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:46 am

Postal workers in Chicago say it’s too dangerous to deliver the mail there: https://www.radio.com/wbbm780/news/loca ... ering-mail

This can easily be solved. Welfare payments used to come via check through the mail. Postal workers were guaranteed safe passage through the hood. Revert back to the old system and save the lives of mail carriers.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Pitchguest » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:45 am

Also, I kind of question the validity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's final, dying wish. I don't know why. Call it a gut feeling.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Pitchguest » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:14 am

Keating wrote: Especially now that everyone is ruthless
:rimshot:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Sulman » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:53 am


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