#15894
by Za-zen » Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:00 pm
Service Dog wrote: ↑
Za-zen wrote: ↑
Be Happy, some of us didn't need a crystal ball to predict down to the minutia just what the Trump regime would be and lead to.
I searched the Pit, for "Trump" author: "Za-zen".
I was fishing for 'gotcha' lulz... something hilariously wrong you predicted. "Down to the minutiae" is just begging for it.
If I had paused for a moment & asked-myself... 'what do i expect to find?'... the answer woulda been more vague, sneering, holier-than-thou one-liners... just like the one I'm replying-to now. A crystal ball as vapid and unfalsifiable as QAnon's "Q".
What I actually found were well-articulated opinions, big enough to argue real points, concise-enough to digest. I think the Pit was well served by those posts. A cluster of them were 4 years ago-- within a week of Trump's 2017 inauguration. Another cluster after the 2016 election day. More after Trump won the GOP nomination, circa July 2016.
fun Za-zen excerpts, all from 4 to 4 & 1/2 years ago...
"The one big unknown, is just how much of an effect the citizens trump has motivated to vote for the first time will have, who don't give a fuck who is in the whitehouse as long as it is someone who says they will tear it down, and that is a major fucking unknown..."
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"Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist. The authoritarian left you say? I say you are going to witness a real authoritarian in actual office. Trump views the branches of government through the prism of his company. He tells the middle managers what to do, they get it done. In this case the middle managers are congress, and things are going to run smoothly for a while because of the curent makeup."
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" It doesn't matter how much of a wanker you think Trump is, and believe me, there are very few who think he's more of a cunt than me. The reality is DEMOCRACY you cunts. If and or when the crazy bastard starts treating the constitution like toilet paper in his meglomania, then is the time to actually do something about it, up until that, the cunt is the rightful president of the US, and everyone who believes in representative democracy, should support that, and defend his right to the presidency with whatever force is required from the crazies.
Respect the office, if not the man."
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"Yeah, Bernie could have been the Trump killer, but we''ll never know. He could have negated Trump dominating the white working classes in the heartlands, which is where he won the election, by offering an alternative radical solution."
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Za-zer... this isn't a 'gotcha', it's a real question: You praised Obama's greatness, and Hillary's. But you also named Globalization as -the- problem which most required solving. I don't know how to reconcile those views. I don't think Trump cut that Gordian knot-- but he did swing at it.
Thankyou, that was one of the most beautiful comments I have ever read.
Obama made a good job of a shit situation. Was he revolutionary, or brilliant? No, but in the context of taking office as the banks said "give us money or say goodbye to your country" the direct foreign entanglements etc etc he was a mature, thoughtful, and reasonable National leader who let the weight of the Office press on him, as well he should have. His one key success was his health bill, and by fuck did he have to fight for that. It ended up a pale shadow, but it was and is the breach needed to try and get US citizens a level of health care regardless of their wealth.
Clinton, I believed to be the most qualified person to do the job.
The Gordian Knot of Globalization wasn't tackled by trump at all. Economies are complex and way above my pay grade, but the model we exist under now is a morphed class system. It's dog shit class aren't in the US or the EU they are in India/China and more and more so Africa. The Class system never left us, it just changed postcodes. It has left swathes of low and semi skilled people in the west Imperially fucked. But those jobs aren't coming back. Trump's tariffs were never going to do that, and never were intended to do that.
The only way to cut the Gordian Knot, is to wave goodbye to the old economy, and create a new one. Bernie is the dude with the plan. Put government money into creating new jobs, whilst revolutionising the energy sector. Build new and more efficient infrastructure tackling the disease of fossil fuels. Giving people opportunity and purpose. Set big fucking goals as a nation, where people employed in a new green job plan know they are part of something worthwhile and greater than themselves. Give people fucking hope, not fear.
Fear is and was trump's only tool.
[quote="Service Dog" post_id=501109 time= user_id=907]
[quote=Za-zen post_id=501093 time= user_id=70]
Be Happy, some of us didn't need a crystal ball to predict down to the minutia just what the Trump regime would be and lead to.
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I searched the Pit, for "Trump" author: "Za-zen".
I was fishing for 'gotcha' lulz... something hilariously wrong you predicted. "Down to the minutiae" is just begging for it.
If I had paused for a moment & asked-myself... 'what do i expect to find?'... the answer woulda been more vague, sneering, holier-than-thou one-liners... just like the one I'm replying-to now. A crystal ball as vapid and unfalsifiable as QAnon's "Q".
What I actually found were well-articulated opinions, big enough to argue real points, concise-enough to digest. I think the Pit was well served by those posts. A cluster of them were 4 years ago-- within a week of Trump's 2017 inauguration. Another cluster after the 2016 election day. More after Trump won the GOP nomination, circa July 2016.
fun Za-zen excerpts, all from 4 to 4 & 1/2 years ago...
"The one big unknown, is just how much of an effect the citizens trump has motivated to vote for the first time will have, who don't give a fuck who is in the whitehouse as long as it is someone who says they will tear it down, and that is a major fucking unknown..."
==
"Trump is more left wing than any Republican before? Methinks you don't recognise fascism when you see it, and trump is most certainly a fascist. The authoritarian left you say? I say you are going to witness a real authoritarian in actual office. Trump views the branches of government through the prism of his company. He tells the middle managers what to do, they get it done. In this case the middle managers are congress, and things are going to run smoothly for a while because of the curent makeup."
==
" It doesn't matter how much of a wanker you think Trump is, and believe me, there are very few who think he's more of a cunt than me. The reality is DEMOCRACY you cunts. If and or when the crazy bastard starts treating the constitution like toilet paper in his meglomania, then is the time to actually do something about it, up until that, the cunt is the rightful president of the US, and everyone who believes in representative democracy, should support that, and defend his right to the presidency with whatever force is required from the crazies.
Respect the office, if not the man."
==
"Yeah, Bernie could have been the Trump killer, but we''ll never know. He could have negated Trump dominating the white working classes in the heartlands, which is where he won the election, by offering an alternative radical solution."
=====
Za-zer... this isn't a 'gotcha', it's a real question: You praised Obama's greatness, and Hillary's. But you also named Globalization as -the- problem which most required solving. I don't know how to reconcile those views. I don't think Trump cut that Gordian knot-- but he did swing at it.
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Thankyou, that was one of the most beautiful comments I have ever read.
Obama made a good job of a shit situation. Was he revolutionary, or brilliant? No, but in the context of taking office as the banks said "give us money or say goodbye to your country" the direct foreign entanglements etc etc he was a mature, thoughtful, and reasonable National leader who let the weight of the Office press on him, as well he should have. His one key success was his health bill, and by fuck did he have to fight for that. It ended up a pale shadow, but it was and is the breach needed to try and get US citizens a level of health care regardless of their wealth.
Clinton, I believed to be the most qualified person to do the job.
The Gordian Knot of Globalization wasn't tackled by trump at all. Economies are complex and way above my pay grade, but the model we exist under now is a morphed class system. It's dog shit class aren't in the US or the EU they are in India/China and more and more so Africa. The Class system never left us, it just changed postcodes. It has left swathes of low and semi skilled people in the west Imperially fucked. But those jobs aren't coming back. Trump's tariffs were never going to do that, and never were intended to do that.
The only way to cut the Gordian Knot, is to wave goodbye to the old economy, and create a new one. Bernie is the dude with the plan. Put government money into creating new jobs, whilst revolutionising the energy sector. Build new and more efficient infrastructure tackling the disease of fossil fuels. Giving people opportunity and purpose. Set big fucking goals as a nation, where people employed in a new green job plan know they are part of something worthwhile and greater than themselves. Give people fucking hope, not fear.
Fear is and was trump's only tool.