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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10954

by Service Dog » Mon May 25, 2020 6:26 am

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10953

by screwtape » Mon May 25, 2020 4:25 am

The only remarkable thing about this photo is that I took it standing right in the middle of my living room! The eagle was sitting in a tree behind the house checking out a raccoon carcass.
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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by screwtape » Mon May 25, 2020 4:20 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 am
Some eagle trivia that some might find surprising. They will attack and kill prey that are substantially larger than them, and they are good swimmers. I have seen them swimming to shore from hundreds of yards out.
I did see an eagle attack a medium large dog that was swimming just off the beach once similar to this attack on a yearling Harbor Seal:
https://www.surreynowleader.com/trendin ... t-in-time/
This is pushing it a bit for the eagle because the seal is denser than water (will sink when dead), probably twice as heavy as the eagle, and as the bird's talons frequently lock on their prey it may not be able to unclasp if it was being dragged under.
Eagles have been used to hunt Steppe wolves so I'm not surprised. I would imagine that the plan is to come in from behind and drive the talons through something vital in the neck/skull region and I'd also imagine they can get themselves into trouble if the strike goes wrong. I'm mystified as to how birds manage to prey on venomous snakes though. A snake, especially one like a puff adder with long fangs, can bite a handler if they don't grip it as close as possible to the head, so how birds manage to fly off gripping a live snake around the centre of its body is a mystery.
Don't know about snakes, but it's quite fun to put a camera on an eagle's back and set it off after some hares:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10951

by Brive1987 » Mon May 25, 2020 4:18 am

Free YouTube Workout Program by Igor Voitenko

This dude takes push-ups to the next level and beyond.

http://igorvoitenko.com/

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10950

by Brive1987 » Mon May 25, 2020 3:42 am

NSW Health says we won’t be going back into lockdown



Clever plan.

I’d point out however that we never had “systemic state wide community transmission”.

:think:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 54w77.html

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10949

by Brive1987 » Mon May 25, 2020 2:07 am

KiwiInOz wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:

...

I’ve been having vivid, exhausting and slightly anxiety-based dreams for a couple of months. Where you remember them in detail for about 20 mins after waking. Which is new.

Last night Service Dog had a cameo.

A disturbing development ...
Hmm. Lumping all mortality data together without any consideration of mortality by what or by age, etc. One would expect improved health outcomes and extended lifetimes in certain types of disease since 1990, and since no one gets out of here alive, a population with a typical distribution would be expected to have a similar stock of people shuffling off the coil.

As for your fantasies about Service Dog ...
The (debatable) point here is whether the measurable national existential threat posed by economic shutdown was reflected by an existential and measurable increase in deaths in a country which refused this approach.

As to your deflection. I’m not sure if recent technology in Sweden over the past couple of decades has really improved things in a material fashion. Rather I’d expect a slight increase in deaths given increasing Type 2 and the influx of, um, how do we say this? - ah, “third world economic invaders”.

I’d love to read the history of lock down in thirty or forty years time.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10948

by KiwiInOz » Sun May 24, 2020 2:23 pm

Brive1987 wrote:

...

I’ve been having vivid, exhausting and slightly anxiety-based dreams for a couple of months. Where you remember them in detail for about 20 mins after waking. Which is new.

Last night Service Dog had a cameo.

A disturbing development ...
Hmm. Lumping all mortality data together without any consideration of mortality by what or by age, etc. One would expect improved health outcomes and extended lifetimes in certain types of disease since 1990, and since no one gets out of here alive, a population with a typical distribution would be expected to have a similar stock of people shuffling off the coil.

As for your fantasies about Service Dog ...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10947

by free thoughtpolice » Sun May 24, 2020 12:54 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Eagles have been used to hunt Steppe wolves so I'm not surprised. I would imagine that the plan is to come in from behind and drive the talons through something vital in the neck/skull region and I'd also imagine they can get themselves into trouble if the strike goes wrong.
Yes, they seem to target the back of the neck and somewhat the spine. Ideally, they dive in at speed and thrust the talons forward to provide a hard strike.
Even without the extra strike the talons are extremely strong and dangerous. A friend of mine tried to rescue an eagle with a broken wing and it flipped over on its back and grabbed his hand and wrist so hard that the claws went through his hand completely and to the bone on his wrist. Fortunately, there was someone there to rescue him and was able to pry the talons apart without ripping out a major blood vessel or he would have been fucked.
As it was, it took months before he could get even partial use of his hand back.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10946

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun May 24, 2020 12:32 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 am
Some eagle trivia that some might find surprising. They will attack and kill prey that are substantially larger than them, and they are good swimmers. I have seen them swimming to shore from hundreds of yards out.
I did see an eagle attack a medium large dog that was swimming just off the beach once similar to this attack on a yearling Harbor Seal:
https://www.surreynowleader.com/trendin ... t-in-time/
This is pushing it a bit for the eagle because the seal is denser than water (will sink when dead), probably twice as heavy as the eagle, and as the bird's talons frequently lock on their prey it may not be able to unclasp if it was being dragged under.
Eagles have been used to hunt Steppe wolves so I'm not surprised. I would imagine that the plan is to come in from behind and drive the talons through something vital in the neck/skull region and I'd also imagine they can get themselves into trouble if the strike goes wrong. I'm mystified as to how birds manage to prey on venomous snakes though. A snake, especially one like a puff adder with long fangs, can bite a handler if they don't grip it as close as possible to the head, so how birds manage to fly off gripping a live snake around the centre of its body is a mystery.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10945

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun May 24, 2020 11:45 am

Anyone still interested in the statement analysis / body language topic can try their hand at this appeal video from Barry Morphew, whose wife has been missing since supposedly going on a bike ride on Mother's Day:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10944

by free thoughtpolice » Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 am

Some eagle trivia that some might find surprising. They will attack and kill prey that are substantially larger than them, and they are good swimmers. I have seen them swimming to shore from hundreds of yards out.
I did see an eagle attack a medium large dog that was swimming just off the beach once similar to this attack on a yearling Harbor Seal:
https://www.surreynowleader.com/trendin ... t-in-time/
This is pushing it a bit for the eagle because the seal is denser than water (will sink when dead), probably twice as heavy as the eagle, and as the bird's talons frequently lock on their prey it may not be able to unclasp if it was being dragged under.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10943

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun May 24, 2020 7:45 am

MarcusAu wrote: Robert M Price had fallen on hard times, or is at least struggling a bit.
I know he's had health issues.

Rene Salm, who took a hiatus to concentrate on his music composition, is back to blogging in force, with an extended series of posts parsing the intriguing Gospel of Barnabas, and now a series on Yeshu ha Notsri [a.k.a., "Jesus the Nazarene"] the first century BC renegade Pharisee who Salm and others identify as the source of many Jesus traditions.

http://www.mythicistpapers.com/2020/05/ ... roduction/


Salm's blog is really all I read at this point. I used to spend way too much time at Vridar, but had to step away. For, despite fascinating content, the blog's operators and many of the commenters were just thoroughly nasty individuals.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10942

by screwtape » Sun May 24, 2020 7:35 am

Service Dog wrote: Aristotle's definition of Tragedy was 'pity & fear'. Pity at the wretch whose troubles are worse than our own/ fear that the same could befall us.
Mania is the really scary kind of psychosis, and by far the most damaging and dangerous. I worked as a resident at the psychiatry wing of a general hospital on the outskirts of London for a while in the early 80's. We would regularly meet up with Hans. Hans was the embarrassing member of a successful family of German emigrés, whose anglicised surname appears on an extremely popular word-based board game, since leaving it like the Third Reich's armaments minister's name was not gemütlich. Poor Hans, he took 400mg of chlorpromazine four times a day, plus lithium and didn't slow down a bit. Being a big and heavy man, he ended up on a barbiturate four times a day as well, maybe pentobarbitone. Despite all that, he would still keep moving restlessly, staggering around leaving a trail of drool like a snail. A couple of days of that and we did the humane thing and started ECT (excellent treatment for mania, rather better than it is for depression perhaps). I remember one admission where he had travelled to Canterbury for the express purpose of heckling the Archbishop in the cathedral. You've just got to love someone who would do such a thing.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10941

by Service Dog » Sun May 24, 2020 7:11 am

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10940

by MarcusAu » Sun May 24, 2020 5:57 am

John D wrote: I used to be pretty active with fellow atheists. I donated to FFRF, AA, CFI, and AHA. They all went off the rails and started spending my money on stupid shit. I save my money now and don't donate to any of these groups. If I really wanted to give money to communists I would just donate to the Communist Party.
I saw a message from the guy that runs the Mythvision youtube channel - that Robert M Price had fallen on hard times, or is at least struggling a bit.

If his patreon page is accurate - he seems to be doing better than some:

https://www.patreon.com/robertmprice


Also, on a more tenuous tangent, Jackson Crawford is doing good work (He's not particularly loquacious on the topic of his own beliefs - downright taciturn you might say - but from what I gather the Norse re-constructurist heathens seem to appreciate was he does).



He's working on a series for 'The Great Courses' lectures.


And of course there's role playing games & models if you really have any money burning a hole in your pocket. (As you already know).

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10939

by Pitchguest » Sun May 24, 2020 5:50 am

Service Dog wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
He dyed his beard & t-shirt in the same purple vat!
Holy shit, you're right. He dyed his beard purple. Now all that's left is dying his hair piss yellow and his quest for Pee (Purple) Zed would be complete.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10938

by MarcusAu » Sun May 24, 2020 5:43 am

Brive1987 wrote: PZ looks like a fat mess.

Not much has changed.
Are you following him on instagram or just popping in from time to time to see what he is up to?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10937

by MarcusAu » Sun May 24, 2020 5:38 am

I've been locked in so would have probably not been able to celebrate it anyway - however I still managed to miss World Turtle Day (again).



Which was yesterday - Saturday 23rd May.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10936

by Service Dog » Sun May 24, 2020 3:14 am

Brive1987 wrote: I’ve been having vivid, exhausting and slightly anxiety-based dreams for a couple of months. Where you remember them in detail for about 20 mins after waking. Which is new.

Last night Service Dog had a cameo.
Your personality is more in-control. Mine's more unraveled, anxious. Makes sense I'd show up in anxiety dream. Also-- interesting to find a 'service dog' in the subconscious underworld.

I recently binge-watched all 201 episodes of The Office-- over 2 or 3 weeks. Numbing escapism from covid & my elderly dog getting close to death. Had a few Office dreams.

There's a blog where I argued politics, since before 9/11/2001. After long absence, I started posting there 6 months ago. I've gone from anti-Dubya (like everyone there) to not-anti-"Drumpf"-enough, to suit them. I started having not-quite-awake morning-headache muddled ruminations, about the blog. They banned me a week ago. With no real cause-- just TDS. No more headache dreams!

Now I have this PW guy to worry about. But I don't feel worried, this morning. My dog's health is still bad, but stable. Every morning I wake-up & he's sleeping hard from overnight pain pill. I've gotten-past freaking-out about his end-of-life. It's just a peaceful reality now.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10935

by Brive1987 » Sun May 24, 2020 2:28 am

Service Dog wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
[img]https...://i.imgur.com../9EunuuN.jpg[/img]
He dyed his beard & t-shirt in the same purple vat!
To match his balls.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10934

by Brive1987 » Sun May 24, 2020 2:26 am



...

I’ve been having vivid, exhausting and slightly anxiety-based dreams for a couple of months. Where you remember them in detail for about 20 mins after waking. Which is new.

Last night Service Dog had a cameo.

A disturbing development ...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10933

by Service Dog » Sat May 23, 2020 8:20 pm

Years ago, when my ex left me, an artist friend-- a guy in his 50's named "PW"-- let me stay in his loft, a few months.

Tonight another artist called & told me PW had a psychotic episode a few nights ago. PW attacked another guy who shares the loft.

Other details, I don't know the order of these:

~PW was running around the neighborhood naked.
~PW was taken to Belleview hospital, but released without a psych evaluation/ because Belleview isn't accepting psych patients/ due to Covid.
~Loftmates changed the locks-- but PW tried to break-back-in.
~The guy who was attacked got a restraining order.
~PW made threats to his brother (with wife & child) in another state-- and they have moved into hiding.
~PW's current whereabouts are unknown.
~PW has been stressed because NY State hasn't processed his unemployment claim.
~He's also been mailing a work of protest art to the White House-- every day for 3 1/2 years, since Trump was elected. He gave that up a week ago. He has a touch of Trump Derangement-- in addition to the professional-manic-derangement of being a post-modern weird artist type. And this current derangement, of course.

The guy who called me has some vague idea of someone (me) calling PW, finding-out where he is, getting him voluntarily (or involuntarily) to a hospital which will accept him for evaluation. I have doubts about the logistics of that-- getting cops & the medical system to cooperate seems like a crapshoot.

The whole thing is a mess. PW lived in that loft since the 90's. Losing his home/ art-studio-- & simultaneously alienating his family-- in a time of broken social-services.... yeesh. I feel an obligation, since he took-me-in in a time of need. But-- that obligation doesn't extend-to putting myself/dog/gf in danger by letting him stay with us... in this condition.

I've seen him be manic before. Not nearly this bad-- just grandiose & racing-mind. I'd guess it could go on 2 or 3 weeks. He's a tough dude--I can easily imagine his mind clearing, him looking at the mess he's made, and deciding to kill himself with the calm determination of putting-down a rabid animal.

I don't see a way for him to land neatly on his feet.

Aristotle's definition of Tragedy was 'pity & fear'. Pity at the wretch whose troubles are worse than our own/ fear that the same could befall us.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10932

by Service Dog » Sat May 23, 2020 7:45 am

Brive1987 wrote:
He dyed his beard & t-shirt in the same purple vat!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10931

by Driftless » Sat May 23, 2020 6:31 am

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone here support (financially or otherwise) the AAI, the FFRF or any of the other various atheist or secularist activist organisations? Or did you support them in the past and stop? If so for what reason?

Curious minds want to know - and after all I am what some might call a most curious individual.
I considered supporting FFRF because I think keeping church and state separate is important. But the more I looked at what they are doing the more I felt like instead of saying "we oppose this action because i is unconstitutional" they were always saying "we oppose this action because ou are a bunch of dumb hicks", which is not productive.

They have always leaned SJW, which seems to make them treat Islam differently than Christianity, so all in all not something I am willing to give money to.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10930

by Brive1987 » Sat May 23, 2020 5:39 am

PZ looks like a fat mess.

Not much has changed.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10929

by John D » Sat May 23, 2020 5:30 am

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone here support (financially or otherwise) the AAI, the FFRF or any of the other various atheist or secularist activist organisations? Or did you support them in the past and stop? If so for what reason?

Curious minds want to know - and after all I am what some might call a most curious individual.
I used to be pretty active with fellow atheists. I donated to FFRF, AA, CFI, and AHA. They all went off the rails and started spending my money on stupid shit. I save my money now and don't donate to any of these groups. If I really wanted to give money to communists I would just donate to the Communist Party.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10928

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat May 23, 2020 4:23 am

David Ivor Saint Hubbins?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10927

by MarcusAu » Fri May 22, 2020 9:42 pm

People with St 'Whatever' in their names tend to remind me of Anthony Aloysius St John Hancock.

But that reference may be slightly out of date.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10926

by Brive1987 » Fri May 22, 2020 9:29 pm

jugheadnaut wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 6:02 pm
Is this a name from the distant elevator-gate past? Or am I imagining things?

https...://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/1264002481694158852?s=21
You're thinking of Rose St. Clair.

Ashley St. Clair is a relatively nascent conservative activist who seems to like playing at the alt-right boundary.
Ahh. They all sound like strippers, I get confused.

Ta.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10925

by jugheadnaut » Fri May 22, 2020 8:46 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Is this a name from the distant elevator-gate past? Or am I imagining things?

You're thinking of Rose St. Clair.

Ashley St. Clair is a relatively nascent conservative activist who appears to like playing on the alt-right boundary.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10924

by jugheadnaut » Fri May 22, 2020 8:30 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 6:02 pm
Is this a name from the distant elevator-gate past? Or am I imagining things?

You're thinking of Rose St. Clair.

Ashley St. Clair is a relatively nascent conservative activist who seems to like playing at the alt-right boundary.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10923

by Keating » Fri May 22, 2020 7:49 pm

I used to support the Australian Atheist Foundations, but I stopped about the time the pit started up.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10922

by KiwiInOz » Fri May 22, 2020 6:07 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone here support (financially or otherwise) the AAI, the FFRF or any of the other various atheist or secularist activist organisations? Or did you support them in the past and stop? If so for what reason?

Curious minds want to know - and after all I am what some might call a most curious individual.
You most certainly are a curious person. Curiouser and curiouser, even.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10921

by Brive1987 » Fri May 22, 2020 6:02 pm

Is this a name from the distant elevator-gate past? Or am I imagining things?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10920

by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri May 22, 2020 5:19 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone here support (financially or otherwise) the AAI, the FFRF or any of the other various atheist or secularist activist organisations? Or did you support them in the past and stop? If so for what reason?

Curious minds want to know - and after all I am what some might call a most curious individual.
I've never donated to any of these shit-ass orgs. I once did a brief transcription for Justin pro bono. I'll gladly do mediocre but free graphic design or corporate identity for any worthy -- and desperate enough to use me -- group.

My dad tosses FFRF a few bucks each year. I tried to dissuade him, but you can't teach an octogenarian dog new tricks.

FFRF is just one of zillions of ineffectual non-profits that exist solely to milk donations from well-intentioned folks. SPLC comes to mind, but United Way is the queen of that scam.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10919

by fafnir » Fri May 22, 2020 3:23 pm

Also claiming a 0.00021281% of a false accusation is the most extreme I've seen this pushed.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10918

by fafnir » Fri May 22, 2020 3:19 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 10:50 am
fafnir wrote: The average man has a 0.00021281% of being falsely accused of rape. It's barely worth concerning oneself with.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... ed-of-rape
I clicked your link. The statistical methodology is retarded:

"the number of people prosecuted for making false allegations — suggests that the average adult man in England and Wales has a 0.00021281 per cent chance of being falsely accused of rape in a year. (That’s based on 35 prosecutions for false rape allegations in 2011 compared to 16.5 million men aged 16 to 59 living in England and Wales at the time).

By this measure, a man is 230 times more likely to be raped than to be falsely accused of rape."
I agree with you. I was just remembering the Facebook posts from my friends in California about why the Kavanaugh accusations could be assumed to be true.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10917

by Brive1987 » Fri May 22, 2020 2:39 pm

Here is my covid contribution.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10916

by justinvacula » Fri May 22, 2020 12:15 pm

MarcusAu wrote: Does anyone here support (financially or otherwise) the AAI, the FFRF or any of the other various atheist or secularist activist organisations? Or did you support them in the past and stop? If so for what reason?

Curious minds want to know - and after all I am what some might call a most curious individual.
I'm just supporting Atheists For Liberty now, I have high hopes for the group who notes, in their about section, that they will stand against wokeness.

I dropped support from FFRF after they went down the SJW path most notably with their statement (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/freethoughtnow/4385-2/) bashing American Atheists and Dave following initial allegations. FFRF jumped the shark :\

Satanic Temple is doing good work, too, was happy to buy a t-shirt!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10915

by MarcusAu » Fri May 22, 2020 11:54 am

Does anyone here support (financially or otherwise) the AAI, the FFRF or any of the other various atheist or secularist activist organisations? Or did you support them in the past and stop? If so for what reason?

Curious minds want to know - and after all I am what some might call a most curious individual.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10914

by justinvacula » Fri May 22, 2020 11:30 am

Michael Sherlock of Atheist Alliance International posted saying he wants to work with Democrats and Republicans in atheist groups as long as people are working towards a common cause.

Soon after, Shermer rape accuser messages Sherlock and then blocks him when he asks (after she brought up, for some reason, Shermer) if she pressed charges. People in comments now piling on Sherlock mentioning 'dudebros,' 'incels,' etc



"CW: Rape + David Silverman."

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10913

by Service Dog » Fri May 22, 2020 10:50 am

fafnir wrote: The average man has a 0.00021281% of being falsely accused of rape. It's barely worth concerning oneself with.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... ed-of-rape
I clicked your link. The statistical methodology is retarded:

"the number of people prosecuted for making false allegations — suggests that the average adult man in England and Wales has a 0.00021281 per cent chance of being falsely accused of rape in a year. (That’s based on 35 prosecutions for false rape allegations in 2011 compared to 16.5 million men aged 16 to 59 living in England and Wales at the time).

By this measure, a man is 230 times more likely to be raped than to be falsely accused of rape."

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10912

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Fri May 22, 2020 9:23 am

mike150160 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 5:49 pm
Service Dog wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 9:56 am
free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑
If he didn't lie to the FBI then he perjured himself several times in open court.
BoxNDox wrote: ....Flynn was specifically required to make a sworn statement admitting his crimes. This isn't the norm and says nothing about how things work for most people....
I'm replying because-- I just saw a tweet-- from the Ukraine whistleblower's attorney Mark Zaid-- asserting the same talking-point as FTP. Zaid described the FBI's handling of Flynn as:

"routine law enforcement interview tactics and by no means undercut General Flynn’s prior admissions of lying to the FBI–a felony–and accepting full responsibility for his actions."

Missing from Zaid & FTP's version-- is Flynn formally-filing four-months-ago to have his guilty plea withdrawn. On what basis? Flynn's attorneys asserted that the govt had broken their plea agreement with Flynn. And the govt had acted in bad-faith. And with personal vindictiveness toward Flynn. Those assertions are fortified by more-recent revelations about govt conduct in the case. So it's kinda weird to wave-around this 'perjury' talking point, but overlook Flynn having-withdrawn his guilty plea.
I still don't follow. I accept that a guilty plea may not be made under oath but I thought that Flynn's statement of culpability was. In that case he's lying at least once, either when he said he was guilty or when he withdrew the statement of guilt.
Really? The justice system in the US operates on plea bargains. Huge pressure is put on defendants to take a plea. They are facing bills of tens of thousands to millions to go to trial, they are offered lower sentences or lesser charges to plea and know that inflated sentences will be imposed should they lose at trial. Do you think it is just to prosecute a lie that is coerced at the point of a proverbial gun?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10911

by fafnir » Fri May 22, 2020 8:10 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Service Dog wrote: CNN & NY Times report that Tara Reade lied about her academic credentials in Domestic Violence-- while serving as an expert witness in a decade of Domestic Violence cases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/p ... tials.html[/font]
What part of '#BelieveWomen' don't you get?
The average man has a 0.00021281% of being falsely accused of rape. It's barely worth concerning oneself with.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... ed-of-rape

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10910

by Service Dog » Fri May 22, 2020 8:07 am

I like how CNN & the NY Times suddenly become top-notch investigators of bad-feminism, when Biden is in the hotseat.

Somebody needs to accuse him of assaulting 1 in 4 women on a college campus. And benefiting from the wage gap. And of toxic masculinity, playing violent videogames, discouraging girls from STEM careers, failing to check his privilege, shaving with Gillette, and wearing a 'No Fat Chicks' t-shirt.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10909

by Matt Cavanaugh » Fri May 22, 2020 6:38 am

Service Dog wrote: CNN & NY Times report that Tara Reade lied about her academic credentials in Domestic Violence-- while serving as an expert witness in a decade of Domestic Violence cases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/p ... tials.html[/font]
What part of '#BelieveWomen' don't you get?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10908

by Service Dog » Fri May 22, 2020 4:35 am

CNN & NY Times report that Tara Reade lied about her academic credentials in Domestic Violence-- while serving as an expert witness in a decade of Domestic Violence cases.

As Tara Reade’s Expert Witness Credentials Are Questioned, So Are Verdicts

Tara Reade, who has accused Joseph R. Biden Jr. of sexual assault, served as an expert witness in domestic violence cases for nearly a decade.

By Lisa Lerer, Jim Rutenberg and Stephanie Saul
May 21, 2020

Defense lawyers in California are reviewing criminal cases in which Tara Reade, the former Senate aide who has accused Joseph R. Biden Jr. of sexual assault, served as an expert witness on domestic violence, concerned that she misrepresented her educational credentials in court.

Then known as Alexandra McCabe, Ms. Reade testified as a government witness in Monterey County courts for nearly a decade, describing herself as an expert in the dynamics of domestic violence who had counseled hundreds of victims.

But lawyers who had faced off against her in court began raising questions about the legitimacy of her testimony, and the verdicts that followed, after news reports this week that Antioch University had disputed her claim of receiving a bachelor’s degree from its Seattle campus.

The public defender’s office in Monterey County has begun scrutinizing cases involving Ms. Reade and compiling a list of clients who may have been affected by her testimony, according to Jeremy Dzubay, an assistant public defender in the office.

Roland Soltesz, a criminal defense lawyer, says he believes Ms. Reade’s testimony made a significant difference in the outcome of the 2018 trial of his client Victoria Ramirez. Both Ms. Ramirez and her co-defendant, Jennifer Vasquez, received life sentences for attempted murder, arson and armed robbery.

“People have been convicted based upon this, and that’s wrong,” said Mr. Soltesz, adding that he “could care less about the politics of this whole thing.”

Ms. Reade has accused Mr. Biden of assaulting her in the Senate complex in 1993, placing his hand under her dress and penetrating her with his fingers. Mr. Biden flatly denies her accusation.

Questions about Ms. Reade’s education background were first reported by CNN.
Ms. Reade told The New York Times that she had obtained her degree through a “protected program” for victims of spousal abuse, which, court records show, she suffered at the hands of her ex-husband in the mid-1990s. That history, she said, caused her to change her name, leading to confusion about her status at the school. She later received a law degree from Seattle University.


But an Antioch spokeswoman, Karen Hamilton, told The Times that while Ms. Reade had attended classes, she was certain Ms. Reade had not received a degree.


In her testimony in the 2018 trial, Ms. Reade was questioned about her degree by Mr. Soltesz. She testified that she received a liberal arts degree, as was stated on her résumé provided by the district attorney’s office. “The focus was political science,” she said, according to a trial transcript.


Ms. Reade also told the court that she was currently a substitute teacher but had worked in domestic violence prevention for more than two decades and testified in more than 20 cases. Her career began, she said, in Mr. Biden’s office.

“I was a legislative assistant,” she said, according to the testimony. “He worked on the Violence Against Women Act, the federal act.”

Staff lists published in 1993 show Ms. Reade listed as a staff assistant, a different position from the legislative assistant job she cited in her testimony. Both titles are common in congressional offices, with legislative assistant indicating a slightly more senior post that involves working on policy. In multiple interviews, Ms. Reade described her duties as managing the interns, never mentioning any direct work on the Violence Against Women Act.


In an interview, Mr. Soltesz described Ms. Reade as “well spoken” and “a good witness on the stand,” and said he was impressed by her experience with Mr. Biden.

But both Mr. Soltesz and Scott Erdbacher, the lawyer for Ms. Vasquez, raised objections to Ms. Reade’s testimony, according to the transcript, saying they were skeptical that her work experience qualified her as an expert. The judge overruled them.


Now, Mr. Soltesz says he is exploring whether he can reopen his case. On Wednesday evening, he emailed a network of more than 100 public defenders, alerting them to questions about Ms. Reade’s background and credibility.

Monique S. Hill, a lawyer in another domestic violence case in which Ms. Reade served as an expert witness, said she also saw grounds to challenge the conviction.

“Had I had the information that I have now, this case, in my mind, would have gone differently,” said Ms. Hill, who served as a public defender.

The Monterey County chief assistant district attorney, Berkley Brannon, said that if Ms. Reade had misrepresented her academic credentials, the office would alert all defense lawyers involved in cases that featured her as an expert.

Ms. Reade earned credits from Pasadena City College before studying at Antioch University. Antioch disputes Ms. Reade’s account that she received a degree from the university.
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Emily Berl for The New York Times
“That would absolutely be of concern to us, and it’s something that the defense attorneys would need to know about,” he said. “We don’t want people that we call lying about anything.”

He said the office would not make any move to contact defense lawyers until it was satisfied that she indeed had not obtained her bachelor’s degree. And, speaking hypothetically, he said that the extent to which a false academic claim would affect the cases she participated in would depend on how material her testimony was to the outcome.

The Sixth District Appellate Program, a state-funded public interest law firm that represents low-income clients in the region, is also reviewing all the cases involving Ms. Reade.

Ms. Reade maintains that she has an undergraduate degree, saying the school has no record of her graduating because of special arrangements put in place to protect her from her ex-husband. She sent The Times a screenshot of a transcript showing her with 35 course credits, her department as “BA Completion” and nothing listed under “date conferred” or “degree conferred.” According to the photo, she entered school on Oct. 2, 2000.

Credits from her earlier studies at Pasadena City College were linked to her old social security number and name — the same one she now uses — making her worried that her ex-husband could find her and her daughter, she says. To protect her identity as a survivor of domestic abuse, Ms. Reade says she received her degree through the private assistance of the school’s then-president, Tullisse Murdock. She says she never received a diploma or requested one since she was “fast-tracked” to law school.

“The president took it from the registrar and did it herself for complete confidentiality,” she said in an interview.

But Ms. Hamilton, the Antioch spokeswoman, told The Times that it had spoken with Ms. Murdock, and that there was no such special arrangement with Ms. Reade. It takes 180 credits to graduate, and students earn up to a maximum of 45 for life experience or prior studies, according to the school’s website.

Seattle University School of Law confirmed that Ms. Reade graduated with a J.D. degree in 2004. The school only considers accepting students with bachelor’s degrees, according to its website. But it would not share what degree Ms. Reade presented with her initial application, citing federal privacy standards.

Lying in court is generally considered to be a crime, though one that can be hard to prosecute. To be considered perjury, usually the false statement has to be a knowing lie.


Even if Ms. Reade was not found to have perjured herself, exaggerating qualifications as an expert witness could be grounds for reversal of a verdict.

“An expert can only testify in certain circumstances,” said Mark J. Reichel, a criminal defense lawyer based in Sacramento who formerly worked as a federal public defender. “One of them is that they have expertise above the regular person. The jury is entitled to hear your qualifications.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/p ... tials.html

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10907

by mike150160 » Thu May 21, 2020 5:49 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 9:56 am
free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑
If he didn't lie to the FBI then he perjured himself several times in open court.
BoxNDox wrote: ....Flynn was specifically required to make a sworn statement admitting his crimes. This isn't the norm and says nothing about how things work for most people....
I'm replying because-- I just saw a tweet-- from the Ukraine whistleblower's attorney Mark Zaid-- asserting the same talking-point as FTP. Zaid described the FBI's handling of Flynn as:

"routine law enforcement interview tactics and by no means undercut General Flynn’s prior admissions of lying to the FBI–a felony–and accepting full responsibility for his actions."

Missing from Zaid & FTP's version-- is Flynn formally-filing four-months-ago to have his guilty plea withdrawn. On what basis? Flynn's attorneys asserted that the govt had broken their plea agreement with Flynn. And the govt had acted in bad-faith. And with personal vindictiveness toward Flynn. Those assertions are fortified by more-recent revelations about govt conduct in the case. So it's kinda weird to wave-around this 'perjury' talking point, but overlook Flynn having-withdrawn his guilty plea.
I still don't follow. I accept that a guilty plea may not be made under oath but I thought that Flynn's statement of culpability was. In that case he's lying at least once, either when he said he was guilty or when he withdrew the statement of guilt.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10906

by Service Dog » Thu May 21, 2020 5:37 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Is that hte mistake you're talking about?
No. I was talking about this quote: "...despite the prosecutor's change of heart, the judge has the final say over all this..." I interpreted that as a 'mistake' because of the 2 cases I cited: the prosecutor has say over prosecuting. The judge's role doesn't include prosecuting. But-- since Judge Sullivan didn't defer to the prosecution dropping the case-- I guess we'll eventually find-out whether Sullivan acted inappropriately/ or whether a valid new loophole has been established.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10905

by KiwiInOz » Thu May 21, 2020 4:04 pm

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: I don't give a fuck. New album releases in two days!
Woo hoo. :banana-rock: :banana-rock: :banana-rock: :banana-rock: :banana-rock: :banana-rock:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10904

by free thoughtpolice » Thu May 21, 2020 2:13 pm

Service Dog wrote:
According to what I've read-- the controlling precedent in U.S. v. Fokker Services B.V.-- says that the decision whether to prosecute or drop a case-- lies with the Prosecution. And the judge may not "usurp" that decision. And Ruth Bader Ginsberg's recent opinion in U.S. v. Sineneng-Smith-- sez a judge may only judge the case as has been presented-- not take a prosecutorial role to reshape the case into a version the judge wishes had been presented. Both precedents were cited in a Flynn amicus brief.

So-- if I keep listening-- will Biden-fils address the gap between these precedents & Judge Sullivan's handling of the case?
I don't recall if he addresses those specific points. Do any of the precedents you cite apply to cases that have already been resolved and were waiting for sentencing?
Nolle prosequi,[a] abbreviated nol or nolle pros, is legal Latin meaning "to be unwilling to pursue".[3][4] In Commonwealth and US common law, it is used for prosecutors' declarations that they are voluntarily ending a criminal case before trial or before a verdict is rendered;[5] it is a kind of motion to dismiss and contrasts with an involuntary dismissal.
Early in the video he makes the mistake of saying that the GRU is the new nym for the KGB. Infact, the GRU is military intelligence and has been called that for a long time whereas the KGB which was the federal security is now called the FSB. Is that hte mistake you're talking about?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10903

by Service Dog » Thu May 21, 2020 1:30 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: A little long, but covers in good detail the Flynn saga from start to finish:
0m51s "...despite the prosecutor's change of heart, the judge has the final say over all this..."

This video is 43 minutes long. I'm less than a minute in-- and Hunter Biden has just said something I don't believe to be true.

According to what I've read-- the controlling precedent in U.S. v. Fokker Services B.V.-- says that the decision whether to prosecute or drop a case-- lies with the Prosecution. And the judge may not "usurp" that decision. And Ruth Bader Ginsberg's recent opinion in U.S. v. Sineneng-Smith-- sez a judge may only judge the case as has been presented-- not take a prosecutorial role to reshape the case into a version the judge wishes had been presented. Both precedents were cited in a Flynn amicus brief.

So-- if I keep listening-- will Biden-fils address the gap between these precedents & Judge Sullivan's handling of the case?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10902

by free thoughtpolice » Thu May 21, 2020 10:45 am

A little long, but covers in good detail the Flynn saga from start to finish:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10901

by Service Dog » Thu May 21, 2020 9:56 am

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑
If he didn't lie to the FBI then he perjured himself several times in open court.
BoxNDox wrote: ....Flynn was specifically required to make a sworn statement admitting his crimes. This isn't the norm and says nothing about how things work for most people....
I'm replying because-- I just saw a tweet-- from the Ukraine whistleblower's attorney Mark Zaid-- asserting the same talking-point as FTP. Zaid described the FBI's handling of Flynn as:

"routine law enforcement interview tactics and by no means undercut General Flynn’s prior admissions of lying to the FBI–a felony–and accepting full responsibility for his actions."

Missing from Zaid & FTP's version-- is Flynn formally-filing four-months-ago to have his guilty plea withdrawn. On what basis? Flynn's attorneys asserted that the govt had broken their plea agreement with Flynn. And the govt had acted in bad-faith. And with personal vindictiveness toward Flynn. Those assertions are fortified by more-recent revelations about govt conduct in the case. So it's kinda weird to wave-around this 'perjury' talking point, but overlook Flynn having-withdrawn his guilty plea.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10900

by Driftless » Thu May 21, 2020 7:55 am

Driftless wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote: As someone who has basically split their adult life between Canada and the U.S., I find the relatively small cultural differences between the countries interesting, especially the counter-intuitive ones. In that vein, I note the difference in mask policy between Costco U.S. and Costco Canada. Mask wearing at Costco is currently mandatory in the U.S., and voluntary in Canada, despite anti-mask sentiment being quite a bit larger and more voluble in the U.S. I strongly suspect the distinction boils down to differences in political polarization patterns.

Costco members in the US are stereotypically lefty-progressive, to the point many believe Costco membership is a reflection of their progressive values. The desire for strong regulation of personal behavior in response to COVID-19,of course, also shows sharp political polarization. Costco U.S. likely has incorporated their mask policy because they believe it will be popular among their customers, despite what broader opinion may be. In contrast, there is far less political polarization on both counts in Canada.

I haven't seen any actual statistics, but in my experience Costco Canada shoppers tend to be relatively affluent homeowners who see shopping at Costco as simply a savvy financial decision, and probably lean small-c conservative. Lefty-progressive types in Canada would tout shopping at small, independent shops as being reflective of their progressive values, not a Costco membership. Thus, Costco Canada shoppers are far less likely to support mask mandates in the warehouse than their US counterparts, and in both cases Costco is being guided by what they believe are customer preferences. My theory, anyway.
You don't know how this works. Here is a much better theory: Costco, being a US-based corporation, values the lives of US citizens over Canadians. The face mask policy difference between US stores and Canadian stores is just one example of this.
Wait, upon further thought it occurs to me that this means that Costco wants a genocide of Canadians! Print the signs and start the sit-ins.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10899

by Driftless » Thu May 21, 2020 7:33 am

jugheadnaut wrote: As someone who has basically split their adult life between Canada and the U.S., I find the relatively small cultural differences between the countries interesting, especially the counter-intuitive ones. In that vein, I note the difference in mask policy between Costco U.S. and Costco Canada. Mask wearing at Costco is currently mandatory in the U.S., and voluntary in Canada, despite anti-mask sentiment being quite a bit larger and more voluble in the U.S. I strongly suspect the distinction boils down to differences in political polarization patterns.

Costco members in the US are stereotypically lefty-progressive, to the point many believe Costco membership is a reflection of their progressive values. The desire for strong regulation of personal behavior in response to COVID-19,of course, also shows sharp political polarization. Costco U.S. likely has incorporated their mask policy because they believe it will be popular among their customers, despite what broader opinion may be. In contrast, there is far less political polarization on both counts in Canada.

I haven't seen any actual statistics, but in my experience Costco Canada shoppers tend to be relatively affluent homeowners who see shopping at Costco as simply a savvy financial decision, and probably lean small-c conservative. Lefty-progressive types in Canada would tout shopping at small, independent shops as being reflective of their progressive values, not a Costco membership. Thus, Costco Canada shoppers are far less likely to support mask mandates in the warehouse than their US counterparts, and in both cases Costco is being guided by what they believe are customer preferences. My theory, anyway.
You don't know how this works. Here is a much better theory: Costco, being a US-based corporation, values the lives of US citizens over Canadians. The face mask policy difference between US stores and Canadian stores is just one example of this.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10898

by jugheadnaut » Thu May 21, 2020 6:34 am

Fascinating addendum to the Norma McCorvery payout revelation. Rob Schenck, the minister who is quoted in the news coverage as confirming the payout, is himself a side-switcher on Roe v Wade. He's apparently still anti-abortion, but has become pro-Roe as he believes it does more good than harm. This is the first example I've heard of a pro-life activist who changed sides without a full religious deconversion. And, once again, come on media, I know this is counter-narrative but it's highly pertinent to the story and should be mentioned.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10897

by jugheadnaut » Thu May 21, 2020 6:03 am

As someone who has basically split their adult life between Canada and the U.S., I find the relatively small cultural differences between the countries interesting, especially the counter-intuitive ones. In that vein, I note the difference in mask policy between Costco U.S. and Costco Canada. Mask wearing at Costco is currently mandatory in the U.S., and voluntary in Canada, despite anti-mask sentiment being quite a bit larger and more voluble in the U.S. I strongly suspect the distinction boils down to differences in political polarization patterns.

Costco members in the US are stereotypically lefty-progressive, to the point many believe Costco membership is a reflection of their progressive values. The desire for strong regulation of personal behavior in response to COVID-19,of course, also shows sharp political polarization. Costco U.S. likely has incorporated their mask policy because they believe it will be popular among their customers, despite what broader opinion may be. In contrast, there is far less political polarization on both counts in Canada.

I haven't seen any actual statistics, but in my experience Costco Canada shoppers tend to be relatively affluent homeowners who see shopping at Costco as simply a savvy financial decision, and probably lean small-c conservative. Lefty-progressive types in Canada would tout shopping at small, independent shops as being reflective of their progressive values, not a Costco membership. Thus, Costco Canada shoppers are far less likely to support mask mandates in the warehouse than their US counterparts, and in both cases Costco is being guided by what they believe are customer preferences. My theory, anyway.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10896

by jugheadnaut » Thu May 21, 2020 5:17 am

MarcusAu wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: The Recant of Roe was brought to you today by the right wing evangelical network.
Is this the part where the more reactionary contrarians start on about how the case was rammed through in defiance of states rights - and was a clear reinterpretation of the constitution?
I highly doubt Roe opponents will use an event embarrassing to their cause as a catalyst for discussion of the case.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#10895

by MarcusAu » Thu May 21, 2020 3:01 am

KiwiInOz wrote: The Recant of Roe was brought to you today by the right wing evangelical network.
Is this the part where the more reactionary contrarians start on about how the case was rammed through in defiance of states rights - and was a clear reinterpretation of the constitution?

For my part - the number of dead babies I'm willing to accommodate only shows my dedication to the cause and the extent of the sacrifices I'm willing to make.

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