If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Billie from Ockham wrote:If I shout something demonstrably not true in a crowded mall and then mumble "oops, my bad; I'm sorry" in the car on the way home, have I achieved balance?

Fair point - I have also pointed out and apologised for this particular example on Nugent's blog as well.

But it's not just about Bovarchist -- it's about false narrative that the 'Pit is a source of rape/death threats. How about walking back that -- and not here, but in the place (Nugent's?) where you said it? To what degree is the narrative false? Are such things common here? We both know 'no'. Repre...

dogen wrote:"You should hang from your loose lips, you disingenuous prick" -- another example of not-a-threat. See, it's not difficult!

They're all over the web.

Look, my apologies to Bovarchist for making a poor example of him. Seriously, I mean it.

Billie from Ockham wrote:Wow. You almost answered the question.

OK, so your ability to discount the accusation (based on source) is very fast, so you didn't feel much. Fine. But the little that you did feel, what was it?

A fair-to-middling "tsk" may have been uttered.

Slight and fleeting miff, perhaps.

dogen wrote:So, I was wrong about the 'death' part -- just 'raped by cancer'. Again, in no way a threat, and to suggest otherwise is simply false.

Ak, well, it's more jokey than I recall then.

Hang me for my loose lips.

Billie from Ockham wrote:Do you ever troll math web-sites, arguing that 2+2 is something other than 4, just to provide balance there?

Doesn't it depend on the base?

I didn't make an argument, Dave. I asked you a simple question: how do you feel about PZ calling you something between a rape apologist and actual rapist? I can see what Shatterface means about you wanting to act as if you're the one adult in the room, both defending PZ and making the occasional cr...

He seems determined to paint the Pit as some pro-rape hellhole to maintain his pretence of neutrality. Of course if someone at Nugent's mentioned Dave is a Pitter - and has been so far longer than some of us - he'd squeal about doxxing. Bell end. Shatterface I haven't said the Pit is pro-rape, or a...

Hi, Dave. PZ has called you a rape apologist at best and an actual rapist at worst. How do you feel about that? And, out of curiosity, which are you? Your argument strikes me as a stretch. Technically I spot a distinction between saying the presence of Pitters somewhere is evidence of something, as...

Shatterface as Guest wrote:What's a borderline rape and death threat?

Shatterface

Probably just kidding about - but taken as being too near to the knuckle even by a few long term 'Pitters.

Shatterface as Guest wrote:Anyone know what that cockweasel Dave Allen is on about at Nugent's?

He seems to be claiming Bovarchist has issued rape and death threats.

Shatterface

No, I said his remarks were taken as borderline by some here.

Further to Ed Clint's recent challenge to PZ to debate him on EP he has updated his list of Rebecca Watson's mistakes at Skepticon V. The original article two years ago had 25 issues, this one has 90.

http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2 ... nce-redux/

It's not just evo-psych folks who are having doubts about modularity. One of the core concepts from what is getting called "systems neuroscience" is the idea that functions are rarely performed by a single, distinct, local brain area. This is why factor analysis is now the rage in imaging work. The...

https://twitter.com/eclint/status/540209229894676481 My apologies to everyone for the interruption, this is the only way I know to reliably get a message through to The Other Side, what with being blocked on Twitter and endungeonated and all that. Please carry on. I have added a page to my blog abo...

She hasn't withdrawn her insinuation I called a witch either and my request for her to do so even though she told me to shrug it off is held in moderation. She seems to think quietly insinuating someone is a misogynist (which is what she's doing) is the same as quietly insisting someone withdraw ac...

Just because he disagreed with your tendency to foam at the mouth and appear slightly unhinged? No, he's on our side. Theo isn't. I think his viewpoint that fitting in with the culture of MN's blog and trying to be as full of sweetness and light as MN himself has some virtue as a means of convincin...

Ask them what they intend to do about the SJW attacks. If they say nothing ask them why. We seem so happy Nugent finally did something. Sorry to chop so much of your post, a lot of which I agree with. However your plan seems to consist of asking people what they will do, then bemoaning their latene...

Just spoke to the young man who runs the paper. Full page ad for around 100.00 (For Phil that would be 5000.00 quatloos and three chickens) I'm in! Where's Ape+Lust? What sort of angle do you think is most likely to appeal to conservative students? Examples of him providing a bad education? His com...

Look, it just happens to be satisfying to vent-out one's frustrations once in a while. I know it's done me some good lately. Really, I think I couldn't give less of a fuck about Myers and acolytes. I said my piece, it stays here. Yes, you get to say things and other people get to say things. That i...

No, I think you are wrong on that one. Just put it in parallel to his over-grandiose feminists stances, then see if it works. Hint: it will work. There's a tired old cliche about two wrongs not making a right. It won't do anything beyond keeping the clock ticking over. PZs grandiloquent feminism wo...

Seems to me that Strawkins and Windy have the right of it, I also perceive the damage Michael Nugent has done to the FtB* crew over the last few weeks through being honest and analytical of their excesses is probably of significant consternation to them, because only the most zealous can deny that i...

That's why we'll never see him making good of his "threat" of going stabby against Christians trying to convert him - can you imagine he losing his mind to the point where he would get arrested? Is this a reference to him talking about stabbing a Christian who would prefer to pray for him rather th...

Someone should (help) gather all of the recent specifics where PZ has misrepresented and/or attacked a person Bill Nye is likely to know and/or respect. Links to such would be very useful. These could then be made into a Change.Org petition and/or template email. Here's what occur to me: misreprese...

Well, yes, an event can be traumatic, be it the loss of a pet or some aggressive furniture waging war on your foot. But going from there to berating other people with an actual case of PTSD (the one where you jump at a firecracker) and seeking out their COs to get them into trouble, on the very med...

I stubbed my pinky toe, and now I have PTSD. Discuss.. You recently said something along the lines of remaining somewhat bereaved over a missing-presumed-dead cat, right? Now me - I'm not the sort to get sentimental over pets. Does my relative stoicism in this matter in any way negate your mental s...

Also, I consider someone developing a mental pathology out of small shit to have an underlying pathology in the first. OCD, maybe? Whilst it's still a work in progress, the basic notion behind the mechanics of PTSD is that it is an inability to keep unpleasant long term memories from occupying work...

Shit I am willing to accept that you could get PTSD from twitter. I'm not. PTSD is a serious thing, not a fucking label meaning you had the rage-shakes because someone disagreed with you. Seems to me that people who like to talk about PTSD as you do confuse the low likelihood of developing a mental...

You stand up to rude police after complying with their orders. You do not stand in the street defying them. Period. Their are channels and ways to deal with police rudeness that does not put life and limb at risk. Even if "everybody was doing it" she was breaking the law. The video is incomplete as...

I fail to understand. Do you mean it didn't happen in this case (obviously not) or that the "pussy pass" (or female privilege if you prefer)never happens? No, he's too busy 'being right' and 'white knighting' our little SJW professor and, consequently, failed at reading comprehension. I'm not white...

Let me rephrase: If you have an assistant prof of psychology, who lists "research in phrenology" as one of his interests, you know that there's something profoundly wrong in that person's head (no pun intended). No I don't. Nor do you. Nor does anyone else. Interest in a discredited field isn't any...

I'd presume that neither her nor the cop really wanted to end up looking the way they do. So I suppose its fair enough to say "well she ought to have not been blah blah" or "she would have been better off if blah blah". But so could he - and if cops were like that round here I'd be tempted to bolsh...

And I know your probably joking - but it does seem to me that people here are jumping to the conclusion that she must share the ideological and intellectual territory of the likes of certain FtB irritants based on little to no evidence, and then furthermore prejudging this episode based partly on t...

Anyway jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that give police authority to ignore your rights. Trumped up bullshit. I'd say it was a problematic one. Is someone re-enacting that guy with the shopping bags in Tienanmen Sq with rush hour traffic? Then I'd be happy enough for them to be considered a cri...

I think the law is that if you're in a motor vehicle, you do. If you're walking on (or off) the street, perhaps if you have ID on you, you must show it if requested, though I'm sure you can just say "I don't have it." Other than that, I doubt you need to keep ID on you 24/7. Seems rather Orwellian....

They're not rent-a-cops, they're real cops. And people, used to rent-a-cops at the mall make that mistake all the time. Just like our little SJW did. What has she done to get her labelled an SJW? Anything besides the fact that she's a bit bolshy? She's a cultural studies prof. If she's not an SJW, ...

They're not rent-a-cops, they're real cops. And people, used to rent-a-cops at the mall make that mistake all the time. Just like our little SJW did. What has she done to get her labelled an SJW? Anything besides the fact that she's a bit bolshy? Is there any evidence beside her-word-vs-that-of-the...

welch wrote:It's a fun mental exercise. If you had to be stuck with just one musician, which one would you pick?

Nigel Blackwell

"Schreodinger's Gender". People with Schroedinger's Gender appear to have no gender until you label them, at which point they reveal to be the gender you didn't guess. The more certain you become that your label is right, the more angry they become, since you're clearly forcing them to conform to a...

Going meta on the Brienne/Hound debate, I'm guessing that there's a divide between those who read the books first and those who only watch the show. The Hound is depicted pretty much the same in both, and I think the show and the actor, Rory McCann, did a fantastic job bringing this character to li...

Going meta on the Brienne/Hound debate, I'm guessing that there's a divide between those who read the books first and those who only watch the show. The Hound is depicted pretty much the same in both, and I think the show and the actor, Rory McCann, did a fantastic job bringing this character to li...

Nerd fight! ;) As I recall, Loras' great talent was supposed to be jousting and other horseback fighting, not swordsmanship. It's everything as I recall. Jaime pretty much acknowledges that he is "the best" when Loras is elevated to the Kingsguard. He (may have) come to be seriously hurt storming a...

I agree. In the book, The Hound, The Mountain, and Jaime (when he had two hands) are the cream of the crop swordsmen in Westeros during the time depicted. Brienne is highly skilled, but not at this level. Jaime regards Loras Tyrell as a peer in the books, and Brienne comfortably beats Loras in a co...

To be fair, if Nietzsche had had a blog he probably wouldn't have stuck Zarathustra on it. It'd be loads of stuff like "Wagner didn't call again even though last time I saw the ring cycle he said he would. Feeling depressed. Planning to convalesce on an Alp." â€œIf you go to see the woman, do not f...

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To be fair, if Nietzsche had had a blog he probably wouldn't have stuck Zarathustra on it.

It'd be loads of stuff like "Wagner didn't call again even though last time I saw the ring cycle he said he would. Feeling depressed. Planning to convalesce on an Alp."

[youtube]rNHKCzIDybg[/youtube] That was fun. Kind of loving the red head's Venom hoodie. In terms of gameplay I quite liked the bit about Cards Against Humanity - seeing how its a form of PC-baiting the FTB crew have enthused about in the past (for some reason). But I hope Caroline Gayle realises t...

The question is on the NCVS and it does have a proper definition (of what they're asking). After all, what the DoJ is interested in is measuring the actual crime of forcible rape/sexual assault. Which doesn't include statutory rape, like an 18-year-old boy shagging his 16--year-old girlfriend and d...

Skep tickle wrote:Both, it seems. Poeing to troll.

When is poeing anything other than trolling?

After that, I've never seen any 'good numbers.' I'm sure some must exist in a DoJ report somewhere, but I've never read any reports on the subject. But I would say 5% is, mathematically speaking, is virtually impossible. I would doubt it got much over 2%. What degree of rape are you talking about? ...

You don't think she gave actual examples of bad evo psych in the media that promotes stereotypes? I don't think she gave a single example that wasn't somehow wrong or irrelevant for EP as practised. Media distortion - where she mentioned it - was generally down to the habits of journalists. This sh...

She should have made the subject of her talk "Beware bad evolutionary psychology in the media that promotes sexist stereotypes" and gotten rid of the generalizations and false claims about EP. Then it wouldn't have been a horrible talk IMO. No - it wouldn't have been a horrible talk. It would have ...

IIRC, the only EP paper Watson referenced was by a charlatan of low repute, whos' finding had already been thoroughly trashed by other EP researchers. For her to present that "specific study" as indicative of the entire field was fatuous as best, willfully deceptive more likely. It sounds like you'...

You misunderstand. I'm saying our interpretations of Aneris' wording differed. Oh OK then. I said she made valid points against "the specific studies" she chose to talk about. And you are saying no she didn't make valid points against "the field". Surely you can see the difference between "the spec...

I'm agreeing Psych and Philos are not easily compared. They really are different things, but given the climate of "what's it ever done for science" that NdeGT is stirring up, I was just being elliptical for the sake of it. Chronic failing, I'm afraid. On the other hand, I think it difficult, and pr...

I've always wondered why Watson did those series of talks. At first I wondered if she was just trying to provoke a drama - for example like the 'drunk sex is rape' drama. But that's probably not the case - she gave the same talk in a number of places, including a skeptic conference in Germany and a...

If you want to be unkind (and this is the evil 'pit after all) most psychology is tosh. It is just possible that more psych is tosh than philosophy but since philosophy is crap at evidence, it's hard to tell. I'm not sure they're easily compared: "The history of argument" vs "what can we say about ...

That's not how I read "Myers/Watson also rejected and attacked the whole field of Evolutionary Psychology like Creationists do with Evolution, because itâ€™s findings disagree with their ideology." Well, admittedly that would require more insight into their personal thoughts than I possess - but in...

My only beef is with likening attacks on Evolutionary Psychology to attacks on the theory of Evolution. Evolution is a theory backed up by mountains of evidence. Evolutionary Psychology is not a theory, but more of an approach or methodology (I guess it makes sense to call it a "field" as well, whi...

What part of "putting on my MRA doodbro mysogny misogyny (fucking edit button stopped working) hat first" did you not get? Anyway, good point(s) but as you can see I was being a bit sarcastic/ironic. Well, when it comes to you it's not clear that "putting on my MRA hat" signals "I'm being absurd he...

Guestus Aurelius wrote:Early in the video he calls himself a moderate in the natureâ€“nurture debate.

Cheers for the vid - I think the standard answer to most nature/nurture queries is "probably a bit of both" in psychology these days, though undoubtedly with plenty of caveats depending on the issue.

Then I skim the paper (putting on my MRA doodbro mysogny hat first) and it is clear to me that the authors do not like USA football (BTW ... What 'Mericans call football is a ghastly abomination that ... words fail me) and want men to stop watching it. I think that's a stretch. In regard to their h...

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