If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Dear 'pitters, Sorry to be such a useless old fart, but I'm going to have to bow out. I know, I know, what a tool. My bad I'm afraid, I haven't the time to do an effective job of being the "lone voice" against the "mob" (not that I'm a lone voice and you're a mob, but you know what I mean). I am aff...

Karmakin,

Thanks I'll look into those sites.

...demolished. Again, thanks for posting a link to a specific event, I prefer to discuss things like this than talk about generalities. Don't think I said demolished as it happens. Think I said "mostly dealt with". Looks like *I'm* going to have to do all the work myself doesn't it? Fuck a doodle d...

Hi Louis, Please do be a sport and tell me why Im a -'in Tfoot's case a shark jumping obsessive sexist loonbag" I'm pretty sure the facts are against you on this one, but I'm all ears as to why I'm a 'shark jumping obsessive sexist loonbag'. No worries, sport. Your arguments on FtB against their ve...

If the racism and/or sexism you admit to is 'trivial' - then perhaps it simply isn't worth worrying about? Excessive policing of a persons words is often, in my experience, a silencing ploy. A speaker who doesn't want to respond to criticism can quote mine for something - anything - that can be tak...

Karmakin, And there we really differ, that is not pretty much what happened in the Elevatorgate case. The "pretty much" ignore a whole slew of context. What the guy did was pretty innocuous in the "fancy a shag" sense, I agree (i.e. he didn't harass RW constantly and continually), what he did was, i...

Fuck, hit submit too early. 2) "The belief that "privilege" and power differentials are always uni-directional and all-encompassing is entirely incompatible with the concepts of intersectionalism." That I'd agree with. Personally I don't agree that the posters you mention do think of privilege and p...

Okay time for a couple more responses then procrastination funtimes have to end. Karmakin, 1) Harassment policies. Well I don't agree with some of that, glad you're on board with the basic concept though! Creep shaming? Harsh on unattractive people/clueless people? Well the only bit of that I can se...

To the best of my knowledge, and please present evidence to the contrary, no one is stopping anyone from arguing over anything within the atheist community. You might find yourself unwelcome at this blog or that blog, just like I might, but I think the actual censorship you are claiming is non-exis...

When used as insults terms like "bitch" and "twat" and "cunt" are inseparable from sexism. They are unambiguous negative referents to feminine/female as negative. Incidentally, "prick" and "cock" are inseparable from sexism too for the identical reasons. In all cases that is an act of sexism. There...

Lastly (and there was much rejoicing) is number 4) which touches on bits of 2). I think the relevant bit is this: Arguments over individual issues are not relevant. It's about the right to argue over issues and attempts to poison the well in the atheist community. It's about the tactics being used t...

Altair's in at 3), this is a relatively easy one. The comment I was thinking of is this one from KacyRay. The "trenchant" {cough, splutter} comment from this JediVerse character was, IMO, mostly dealt with by the subsequent comments (it sadly wasn't when I first saw it, so I thought I'd have to do a...

Sorry for the delay, work was required to assuage my guilt. So now to 2). (Does it show that the lab is shut for the day because of the snow {pa-fucking-thetic} and so I am stuck at home doing paperwork and trying like a motherfucker to procrastinate the day away and not do it? Don't worry, I'll do ...

And I fucked up the links. Clever me. {facepalm}

3) Is here.

4) Is here.

Okay, I can't possibly respond to everything, and sorry but like it or not, there's a lot not really worth responding to (doesn't that idea seem familiar to any of you?). If that makes me a superior arsehole in some people's eyes, so be it. So I've picked 4 posts that seem to have some good stuff in...

Evening all, Well I hope this is the right place to put this (i.e. the continuation of the last thread), I assume it is, if the mods tell me different, I have to take my beatings I guess. I confess I have not read the six pages (so far) of this thread, but I've caught up with the last few of the las...

I'm off. Too much time spent already. Have fun folks.

<snip> Obviously though you have some other point to make or you wouldn't be here. Don't keep us guessing. I'm taking your avoidance of the Nerd question as a "yes". Point? Can't a bloke simply be curious? And on the Nerd thing: It's not avoidance, I just don't care to play this silly game. Feel fr...

Just incase louis thinks he's chased off my dick carrier grade intellect, i'm off to bec. Dear fuck why would I think that? I'm not here to compare cock sizes. I wanted and want to satisfy my own curiosity. I honestly don't think for a second that people are monsters generally, so I'd like to see t...

Pharyngula IS intimidating. Deliberately. This is a feature, not a bug. It's not for everyone. Just like I don't necessarily want to post at Place X because their environment doesn't suit me (for example I'd be fucked if there were a no swearing policy. I loves me a swear I do), I don't expect that...

<snip> I think "disappointing" is the word I would use with that place. I was actually pretty excited to find it, as I consider myself an atheist feminist who hates creationism in schools and have a degree in zoology. I'm pretty liberal and very interested in African-American issues because my kids...

<snip> Ok hon, sorry I missed your post before I posted mine above. I must admit that the dehumization comment bothered me but I obviously misunderstood. Just ignore my previous rant, er, I mean post. No worries. I was about to get to your post, glad I read this first. Let's be clear, and this is t...

<snip> And does it never occur to you that some of the people who need re-educating actually know an awful lot about social studies and are disturbed at the warped application of terms like 'privilege' and 'patriarchy'? I would suggest that there are things about social studies that the Pharyngulit...

But calling people rape enablers, mysoginists, or child molesters is hunk dory. Got it. Thanks. If that's directed at me I'm pretty sure I never said anything like calling people child molesters is hunky dory without evidence. It's abuse, certainly. Don't know about rape enabler either. Not seen th...

Za-zen,

This is not a division between those who dehumanise women, and those who don't.

Correct, in part. It is in places sadly. I've vastly too much experience of the people who dehumanise women to ignore it for a convenient slogan.

Re: the picking sides and dehumanisation thing, you've all (so far) missed my point! It was contained in the bit UNDER the bit Phil quoted! Do I think all 'pitters are raving misogynists etc? No of course I bloody don't, said that already, keep up. I've already said I don't think this is about "side...

But calling people rape enablers, mysoginists, or child molesters is hunk dory. Got it. Thanks. If that's directed at me I'm pretty sure I never said anything like calling people child molesters is hunky dory without evidence. It's abuse, certainly. Don't know about rape enabler either. Not seen th...

<snip> The notion that people who disagree with the Pharyngula position simply doesn't understand, and needs things 'explaining' to them, is quite shockingly condescending. Perhaps these 'basics' are simply mistaken? 1) Didn't say that. Sorry. Those people DO exist, they are a SUBSET of people who ...

... Expand on your "clique" comment a bit for me please. I'm not sure what you mean precisely. It's the us vs. them idea. (1) If you're willing to generalise, the difference between the two sides on the actual issues is very small. I think that's why PZ felt the need to blow it up. On stuff pertain...

Metalogic42: Hi! Cheers for the welcome. No punching bag? But how will I get my Victim Points? {Sigh} I guess I'll have to settle for conversation. I'll refrain from calling you any kind of annoyed anal ape until so proven to my satisfaction. Fair? ;-) As for the other FTB posters coming here, why ...

<snip> Obviously though you have some other point to make or you wouldn't be here. Don't keep us guessing. I'm taking your avoidance of the Nerd question as a "yes". Point? Can't a bloke simply be curious? And on the Nerd thing: It's not avoidance, I just don't care to play this silly game. Feel fr...

Cunning Punt, Pharyngula IS intimidating. Deliberately. This is a feature, not a bug. It's not for everyone. Just like I don't necessarily want to post at Place X because their environment doesn't suit me (for example I'd be fucked if there were a no swearing policy. I loves me a swear I do), I don'...

<snip> The question is whether the discussion is as PZ says: For instance, the Internet community of atheists is racked with these paroxysms of argument over, of all things, the status of women. Weâ€™re trying to decide whether women are fuck toys and eye candy for the privileged white men, or whet...

Louis, are you aware of the Pharnygula wiki page that they had up that smeared Phil Giordana? Yup. I said it was disgusting at the time, I think it was disgusting now. That sort of shit doesn't belong anywhere. I only wish (and apologies Phil) that I'd been louder and more people had been loud abou...

Cunt, 1) I don't really care about the word "cunt" by the way. I care how it is used, sure, I don't agree with it's use as an insult (for various reasons), but I am not some shrinking violet. But nice try with the name. Funny. Briefly. 2) If you want me to get into which Pharyngula posters I think a...

Phil: New snake? I has an envy! I want another snake, but sadly it will not be for a while. Constrictors (my preferred terrarium occupants) and 3 year old kids go together like...well a large snake and lunch. Good luck for the wedding stuff. I thought it was last year? Best laid plans, eh? Metalogic...

Andrew, Email PZ and tell him to ban me. I doubt he will because he knows I don't share the apparent values of many people here. PZ does ban people associated with this place who seem keen to spout the same old well refuted stuff, but that's his business, not mine. PZ's a big boy, he can manage his ...

Hey Phil,

Things aren't bad, new house, working like an idiot, drinking like a bigger idiot. You?

Hi Metalogic42 and Phil, So if I do come over here and post (which I am exceptionally sure will not get me banned from anywhere on FTB) how long before I'm just the punching bag held responsible for All The Evils (Real and Perceived) Of FTB et al? This all seems a little...unnecessary to me. Granted...

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