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by jimhabegger
Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:33 pm
Forum: Past Misdeeds
Topic: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary
Replies: 21822
Views: 476188

In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

Hi! I just got an email from Lsuoma inviting me to stop by. Hi everybody! Lsuoma, thanks for the invitation! Bye! :D
by jimhabegger
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:25 pm
Forum: Past Misdeeds
Topic: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary
Replies: 21822
Views: 476188

Re: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

Well despite her asking for kickstarters to make this work, to design the back end. And despite her saying in her story that they had never developed a backend... it seems that some people seem to have jumped to the conclusion that a standard set of placeholder pages on a web domain is a fully func...
by jimhabegger
Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:25 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

Steersman, well done! "... the effects of weighting are largely unknown." Exactly. Actually, I would have more confidence in Pew's percentages if they did not do this, which I think is purely for cosmetic purposes, and which I think is just as likely to move the opinion percentages away from populat...
by jimhabegger
Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:55 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

Steersman, I spoke too soon. I did some more weighting experiments, and saw something that I had forgotten: The way that Pew does the weighting, ff there are any sample biases that are correlated with people's answers to the questions, and independent of the demographics, then the weighting won't co...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, I'll make this personal. Some day some Muslims in my city, or anywhere in the world for that matter, might decide that blowing me up, along with some other people, will earn them a place in Muslim heaven, with its rivers of wine and harems of 70 or 72 virgins. No matter where they are in ...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:28 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

Steersman, I finally found a way to do some weighting experiments, without spending dozens of hours on it. One demographic variable to use for weighting, and one question variable, to see the effects of the weighting. As often as not, the weighting magnified some or all of the errors, but never by m...
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:02 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, I'm not putting much hope in changing the way Muslims view their scriptures, or in trying to turn them against Islam, either one, as ways of protecting any of us from violence and oppression. I have no objection to people trying to convince decision makers and policy makers to ban Islam, ...
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:08 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: "God-centered community building" / "Jim's closet"
Replies: 539
Views: 25749

Re: "God-centered community building" / "Jim's closet"

I'm happy about the SJW collectible card game.
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:22 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Some examples of Muslims who signed the statement above, saying that there should not be any punishment for apostasy: Mohammad Hashim Kamali Dr. Mohammad H. Kamali is a former Professor of Law at the International Islamic University of Malaysia, where he taught Islamic law from 1985-2004 and served ...
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:28 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

I said that some Muslims are practicing and promoting, among Muslims, a view of their scriptures that tells them that any kind of aggression against civilians is always wrong. Here is one example: Muslim Academics/Scholars/Imams/Professionals uphold the Freedom of Faith and the Freedom to Change one...
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:03 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, do you disagree with any of this? - Some Muslims are practicing and promoting, among Muslims, a view of their scriptures that tells them that any kind of aggression against civilians is always wrong, that if they live in a western democracy they should embrace it and wholeheartedly observ...
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:37 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, the point was that it seems plausible to me that the number of Muslims in those countries who would answer those questions in those ways, would be somewhere in those ranges. Ok. Then in that case, one might wonder how they compare with the survey values. Those ranges are from 20% below t...
by jimhabegger
Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:29 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, the point was that it seems plausible to me that the number of Muslims in those countries who would answer those questions in those ways, would be somewhere in those ranges.
by jimhabegger
Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:26 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

Steersman, I sent you a PM, and I posted a message to you in the thread about reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices.
by jimhabegger
Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:24 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, here are my personal, purely subjective, 95% confidence intervals, for the questions in that graph: - A wife must obey her husband Southern-Eastern Europe 23% - 63% Southeast Asia 73% - 99% Central Asia 50% - 90% South Asia 68% - 99% Middle East-North Africa 67% - 99% Sub-Saharan Africa -...
by jimhabegger
Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:05 am
Forum: Past Misdeeds
Topic: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary
Replies: 21822
Views: 476188

Re: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

I stumbled across this in my research on surveys, and I thought it might interest some people here. According to this research, praying for hospitalized people, 4-10 years after their stay in the hospital, can reduce the time that they were there. :lol: Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory pr...
by jimhabegger
Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:23 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

This is one of the reasons why I don't trust opinion polls to tell us anything about how many people think what.

Developing Standards for Post-Stratification Weighting in Population-Based Survey Experiments
by jimhabegger
Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:02 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

I've been wondering if I could safely imagine any limit to how far the sample percentages in a religious opinion poll could be from the population percentages. Just now I looked for the biggest errors I could find in election polls, which have been empirically tested, and it was 20%. How far off tar...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:16 pm
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Re: Possible uses for opinion polls

Vicky, I think that popular opinion polls, with their loaded and leading questions, are designed to tell stories, with little or no regard for how well they represent what people actually think. That's part of what I think makes them worse than useless: false pictures of what people think, masquerad...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Possible uses for opinion polls
Replies: 11
Views: 809

Possible uses for opinion polls

Recently I've written to some highly qualified people in survey research, trying to find out what reasons anyone might have for thinking that the margins of error, in reports of opinion polls about religious views, are actually true. So far I've only heard from a few of them, and all I've seen from ...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:02 pm
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?
Replies: 32
Views: 1546

Re: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?

Vicky, on the topic of trying to find the truth in a pack of lies, maybe you'd be interested in what I've been trying to learn about opinion polls. I'll start a thread on it. Also, about the history of the Wild West in America: I've been interested in that too. Searching for truth in history has bee...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:37 pm
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?
Replies: 32
Views: 1546

Re: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?

Steersman, reading your recent posts again, I was happy to see this:
Steersman wrote:... religion. While I've periodically defended it myself - primarily on the basis of some of it being metaphorical ...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?
Replies: 32
Views: 1546

Re: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?

Vicky, thanks for posting. I'm enjoying your posts. Yes, I see that it's popular in all of society, not only in atheism and skepticism circles, for people to try to authenticate their views with the stamp of science. I don't see all opposition to religion as prejudice. I think some of it is, and som...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:13 am
Forum: Every Bleeding Thing Else
Topic: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?
Replies: 32
Views: 1546

Re: Atheism and Skepticism as camouflage?

... tarring all atheists for the "sins" of the few ... What I've been saying in this thread isn't about atheists, or about "sins." It's about a possible answer I see, to a question I've seen people wondering about sometimes: why there's so much irrationally, gullibility, emotionalism, superstition,...
by jimhabegger
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:23 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Just because you call an "imaginary source" "God" doesn't mean that source is "speaking" the truth or anything that might reasonably be construed as beneficial for humanity or even large portions of it. One might just as reasonably argue that you, Bahá'u'lláh, Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, etc., etc., ar...
by jimhabegger
Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:01 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

I imagine what Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, and some other central figures in religious lore said and did, as coming from a source outside of them. That imaginary source of their words and actions, is what I mean, when I say "God." The words of Jesus, and the words of the Quran, are the words of my God, ...
by jimhabegger
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:09 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, whatever good it might do for some countries to ban Islam and deport Muslims, even so, as long as there are people anywhere in the world who think that murder and mayhem are part of their religion, then none of us can be safe, anywhere in the world. Some Muslims think that murder and mayh...
by jimhabegger
Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:13 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, maybe you aren't getting my point after all. For the purpose of reducing Muslim violence, what matters is not what you or I mean by "Islam," or what you or I think the Quran is telling Muslims to do. For the purpose of reducing Muslim violence, what matters is what Muslims mean by "Islam,...
by jimhabegger
Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:27 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: "God-centered community building" / "Jim's closet"
Replies: 539
Views: 25749

Re: "God-centered community building" / "Jim's closet"

So bahai don't believe in allah? Some do and some don't. Jim, trying to figure out what you believe is like trying to nail jello that is constantly moving to the wall. Sorry. I thought I had made it clear that my God is pure fiction. I see now that I never said that in those words. What I said was ...
by jimhabegger
Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:26 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, yes, I understand that "Allah" is simply another name for the same fictional god as the god who is called "God" in the Bible. I thought I had already made this clear before: In my view, God/Allah, and all the other invisible gods that people imagine, exist only in people's imaginations. T...
by jimhabegger
Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:11 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, it looks to me like you're starting to get my point now. In responding to Muslim violence, what matters is not what we think the Qu'ran says. In responding to Muslim violence, what matters is what Muslims think the Qu'ran says. The more we can push and pull that in the direction of Muslim...
by jimhabegger
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:03 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

It's not necessary for there to be specific calls in the "Qu'ran that tells Muslims to fly planes into skyscrapers" when general ones to commit murder and mayhem are obviously more than sufficient ... It looks to me like you're still missing my point. "Commit murder and mayhem" is what you think th...
by jimhabegger
Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:56 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

? What does Allah have to do with anything that I said in that post? How many times do you think that Allah is referenced or quoted in the Quran? The same odious book that you - and most Muslims - insist "are the words of God Himself" - i.e., Allah, supposedly, in your demented "theology". I still ...
by jimhabegger
Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:21 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

? What does Allah have to do with anything that I said in that post?
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:50 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, you quoted Pandavar saying: .... The only way forward that I see (and I’m ready to be persuaded otherwise) is to expose the Qur’an for what it is: (i) it is directly antithetical to civilisation; and (ii) it cannot be reformed. To do this is to equip those who doubt and are looking for a ...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:58 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, what I meant by saying that the improvement in attitudes and behavior is verifiable, is that anyone who wants to can observe it directly, in person, without having to pass through any pay walls, membership walls, or externally imposed belief walls. There is a time wall, in the amount of ti...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:50 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, I wrote: I do see some possibilities of improvements in the attitudes and behavior of Muslims and Muslim communities, at the grass roots level, that I would like to help encourage and support, if I had any opportunities to do so. I don't think those possibilities are limited to Muslims who...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:19 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, here's some possible "inconvenient truth" that I can see in your theory. Inconvenient that is, for some kinds of Muslim apologetics. It seems plausible to me that, to most Muslims, following the Qu'ran and the Sunnah is part of what it means to be a Muslim. It also seems plausible to me t...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:43 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

I think that all the opinion polls, including the Pew polls, that people are citing in public discussions, are worse than useless as sources of knowledge about the ideas and interests of people in the populations that they allegedly represent, outside of the samples. I do see some possible value tho...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:55 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

I think that the opinion polls that I've seen people referring to, in media stories and online feuding, are worse than useless, as sources of knowledge about the ideas and interest of people in the populations that they allegedly represent, but now I'm starting to see some possible value in consider...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:13 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

I'm not pinning any hopes on reforming Islamic institutions. I do see some possibilities of improvements in the attitudes and behavior of Muslims and Muslim communities, at the grass roots level, that I would like to help encourage and support, if I had any opportunities to do so. I don't think thos...
by jimhabegger
Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:00 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, I'm not pinning any hopes on reforming Islam, and I can easily sympathize with feelings of resentment and suspicion towards people encouraging such hopes, especially if they make a career out of it. Harris might not actually be fooled by it. It could possibly be a good way for him, and fo...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:18 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, in case I haven't made it clear enough, I've never seen what you do as defaming Muslims. I did see part of it as unintentionally validating some of the propaganda among Muslims that tries to discredit and marginalize the Muslims we would want to support, but I'm over that now. I've just no...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:20 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

I'll admit that I was hasty, and wrong, in reducing Sam Harris's criticism of Islam to advancing his career by defaming Muslims. He's looking a lot better to me now.

by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:37 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, I'm posting this to update you on what I think of your theories about Islam and Muslims. As I understand it, you're saying that the beliefs and attitudes of most or all Muslims, including those who live in liberal democracies, are helping to perpetuate the worst kinds of violence, and tha...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, do you think that anyone who objects in any way, to any kind of criticism of Islam, is wrong, and has wrongful motives and intentions? It depends on what they're talking about, what they define as "criticism of islam". If the "criticism of islam" they're talking about is a justification o...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:50 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

This isn't all about you, or about me, it's about what's going on in society at large. You and I are two internet nobodies arguing on a small forum. I disagree. For me, it is all about me, and you, and about what's going on in society at large. It's about what you and I can do to help improve socie...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:59 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, as I said, maybe you're already doing what I was suggesting, but just because you grew up in one kind of Islamic culture, doesn't mean you know them all. I thought I saw you saying once that you don't think of Islam in monolithic terms, but sometimes in your posts in this thread you do see...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:56 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

free thoughtpolice wrote:He's a muslim Jim, but not as you know it.
Thank you. I suspected that he grew up in a Muslim family or community, but I wasn't sure.
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:31 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, part of what was concerning me in your attitude towards the Muslims you want to support, was the depreciating way you seem to think of them, for example as wishy-washy, cafeteria Muslims. Now I see that your depreciating view of them might be part of a depreciating view of followers of rel...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:23 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

That all looks reasonable to me. The reason it matters to me if you're projecting things into my mind and motives that aren't there, is that it might create more misunderstandings about what I'm saying, and make them harder to resolve. I did say that everything that I've seen people calling "critici...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:26 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, do you think that anyone who objects in any way, to any kind of criticism of Islam, is wrong, and has wrongful motives and intentions?
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:20 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

You keep arguing about those things as if the Qu'ran and the ahadith didn't exist, or weren't followed literally by a lot of people. I can't think of anything I could have said, that presumes that the Quran and the ahadith don't exist, or that they aren't followed literally by a lot of people. Can ...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:53 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, let me know if you have any interest in trying to understand the point I was trying to make. It's about something in your attitude towards the Muslims that you want to support, that might get in the way of promoting the changes you want to see. You seem to be imagining things about what I ...
by jimhabegger
Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:47 am
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Kirbmarc, it looks to me like you completely missed my point, and you're imagining things about what I think, that aren't true.
by jimhabegger
Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:11 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

In the form of the literal interpretation of the Qu'ran, no, islam is not compatible with liberal democracy. But most people have only a superficial, limited interest and knowledge of the religion they claim to belong to. They follow what the authority figures in their communities tell them to do. ...
by jimhabegger
Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:05 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, My question was: "Those numbers on that graph, 1.62 billion, 1.39 billion, 1.1 billion, 748 million, and 584 million, do not appear anywhere in that Pew report. Can you point to any explanation, anywhere on the Internet, of how those numbers were derived from that report?" I didn't ask fo...
by jimhabegger
Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:58 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman, if a more accurate and relevant representation of poll data found, for example, that more than 90% of the Muslims surveyed in Europe and North America are opposed to imposing Sharia law on non-Muslims, and opposed to all the acts of violence in the name of Islam, that we've seen in media ...
by jimhabegger
Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:10 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

Steersman wrote:Guess you're not looking closely enough; guess you don't know as much about sampling and opinion polls as you apparently think you do ...
Wrong again.
by jimhabegger
Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: The Bottomless Pit of Endless Wonder
Topic: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices
Replies: 113
Views: 4751

Re: Reducing and counteracting anti-Muslim prejudices

None of the pages where I found those numbers show how they were derived from that Pew report. Guess you're not looking closely enough; guess you don't know as much about sampling and opinion polls as you apparently think you do ... Those numbers on that graph, 1.62 billion, 1.39 billion, 1.1 billi...