If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Shriver's father is actually Sargent Shriver, and her Kennedy bona fides come through her mother, Eunice, sister of JFK.

Kennedys, hard to keep track of their pedigrees.

In my alternate universe, she'd be sent away indefinitely (as would all convicted felons) until she could prove she'd been reformed -- in her case, stay sober (as for all convicted felons.) I know I'm going to be sorry for asking this, but how does someone prove they're reformed? Even sobered up dr...

AndrewV69 wrote: ↑ :o :o :o
WTF Hunt? You fuken :nin:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I said I can walk on water. Do you think I can't read your mind? BTW I lied. I turned water into wine and now I'm really drunk.

She...wait for it... feared for her life. https://www.yahoo.com/news/deliberations-set-resume-dallas-ex-035200888.html Well, at least she's having her ass handed her. For the record, this is a perfect case where rehabilitative justice should be applied. I've no doubt she made a terrible mistake. Is ...

It really shouldn't be that hard for a motivated person or group to sift through the 500-odd OIS p/a in the US, review the details of each incident, make an assessment -- however biased or not -- as to whether lethal force was appropriate, and perform simple division to arrive at a rate. I'm not su...

As a parenthetic thought to consider, the laxer "reasonable fear" standard itself feeds into loss of public trust, since it lowers the threshold for both valid and invalid use of deadly force. Lowered public trust raises the tension in cop/civilian interaction, which raises the probability for insta...

We've already established that things in the US and UK are not the same. Hunt says it's cuz cops in the US are afforded the same 'reasonable fear' standard for self-defense as civilians, I say it's cuz perps in the US are more dangerous. It should be clear by now that I'm open to other remedies as ...

Hunt, do you advocate revoking this right to self-defense from civilians, or just from cops? Or just from white cops when facing black perps? You're putting words in my mouth. The "laxer standard" is in comparison to the "absolute necessity" of euro cops, not armed citizens. If anything I expect co...

Thinks, but cannot establish quantitatively. He merely presumes that correlation = causation, switching the correlation in question (racism in urban areas, gun prevalence in rural) as convenient to his a priori assumptions. And, no Hirschfield does not factor in numerous possible confounding factor...

That blacks are disproportionately targeted by police use of force, and due to the racism of the police, is a patently false narrative. "Patently" might be a little strong. A couple of the studies Heather MacD cites are empirical "video game" violence simulator studies. They demonstrate implicit ra...

Answer begging the question: Hirschfield can't both pretend to invite inquiry into whether alternatives exist and simultaneously declare the current protocol "unnecessary". He also fails to determine & compare the rates of "volatile and violent situations" faced by European LEO vs. their US counter...

It's reasonable to suspect the bias of an advocate of restorative justice, an anti-science concept that inevitably leads the advocate to the conclusion that no uses of force are justified. But I also offered substantive critique of the article itself, namely that it was comprised primarily of argum...

You've cherry-picked your data points. The question, What percentage of police uses of force are unjustified'? is one that you not only can't answer, but deem irrelevant. Now who's being obscurantist? If I can't prove anything, neither can you. The number of police killings are function of law, pol...

Since foreign police are better trained and can diffuse a situation before it gets violent and don’t have to shoot anyone, it’s obvious what we should do. Pick a city, starting with Chicago, use the above mentioned savings and hire several hundred Canadian, British or French police and let them cle...

I couldn't have been clearer in my post that I thought this was a bad shoot anyway, and Slager's actions certainly merited significant jail time. He's just not guilty of murder. That's what Matt "endorsed", not that gunning down a fleeing man was justified. He's not guilty of murder according to yo...

I couldn't have been clearer in my post that I thought this was a bad shoot anyway, and Slager's actions certainly merited significant jail time. He's just not guilty of murder. That's what Matt "endorsed", not that gunning down a fleeing man was justified. He's not guilty of murder according to yo...

Oh, I'm sure the pit is going to love the continuation of this drama... Why'd you have to go and make it about race? I'm enthusiastic about cops gunning down perps of all backgrounds! Yes, I've noticed. Your 'video evidence' consists of posting the Walter Scott and Philandro Castile shootings over a...

I must concede in the face of the impeccable logic of Hunt's arguments*. You win the Internet, Hunt; congratulations. I thought you'd see things my way, eventually. Seriously, "asshole" is the only one that even remotely verges on PZ territory, and I probably wouldn't have written that except that ...

katamari Damassi wrote: ↑ Would you two fuck already? The sexual tension is killing me.

Not yet. Matt has gotten used to horses and I don't have that much viagra.

Okay. You are a socialist, a blank-statist, and a restorative justice fan, and therefore a triple dumbass. What the hell is a "blank-statist"? Is that some new moniker used by the libertarian tards? Are you a Randian? That's so cute. Trying to build that static electric ozone machine up there in Ma...

I don't have much time for children bitching about previous generations either. That's the entire point. Children aren't supposed to tell adults they're abject failures. Exactly why Thunberg has gotten attention and a thousand cerebral lectures have garnered a collective yawn. Adults talk down to c...

I don't have much time for children bitching about previous generations either. That's the entire point. Children aren't supposed to tell adults they're abject failures. Exactly why Thunberg has gotten attention and a thousand cerebral lectures have garnered a collective yawn. Adults talk down to c...

Bhurzum wrote: ↑
Hunt wrote: ↑Not at all. I just think he needs a nap.

And perhaps some quality time on Brokeback Mountain.
Am I allowed to laugh at that or would it be evidence of my rampant (flaming?) homophobia?

And here Matt thinks I'm an SJW. HA!

HA!

Due to global warming, this has been upgraded to November Hurricane.

Bhurzum wrote: ↑ Are you mental health shaming Matt?

Not at all. I just think he needs a nap.

And perhaps some quality time on Brokeback Mountain.

Bhurzum wrote: ↑ Anyway, it's a shitty subject, clearly divisive and not conducive to 'pit harmony.

It is a shitty subject. Life can't always be guns and roses.

Trick question, how many shots required here:

Is it safe to assume that you'd find the number of rounds discharged in these instances "egregious"? First, maybe, second a definite yes. Dirty Harry wannabe shooting through windshield and then spraying bullets all around the neighborhood. You consider this good policing. Have you gone completely ...

While this was clearly a bad shoot and the officer involved should be spending some time in jail, the situation is much more nuanced than commonly believed. The widely-held narrative is that he shot a fleeing man who he then falsely accused of having taken his taser, which he then planted near the ...

As his prime example of “a pattern of unnecessary deadly force used by US police”, Hirschfield highlights the case of a cop emptying his magazine into Laquan McDonald, claiming this would not happen if only US police first issued warnings. He omits every salient a few minor details, such as: McDona...

Yeah, I don't usually use this word but yikes! I had my doubts when I found out Greta is the daughter of a famous actress/singer/eco-activist but that speech is just... unhinged. People are just not used to an impassioned speech. [/quote] Hey, let's make a severely mentally-ill child our world spok...

Alameda isn't SF. It's Alameda.

We don't know, do we. The ol' proving a negative thing rears its ugly head. No, you made two positive assertions: 1) that police routinely abuse the use of force wrt firearms; 2) shoot to warn/disarm/slightly wound is a viable tactic. You've provided zero evidence to substantiate either, so did you...

2) Same question as for Pitchguest: what percentage of LEO-civilian interactions are like this one? We don't know, do we. The ol' proving a negative thing rears its ugly head. We don't know how many allegedly justified shootings were actually murder by police, but due to the prevalence of mobile vi...

The "shoot til down" doctrine has contributed to the death of many people in cop interactions. I call BS on it. Nonlethal shooting to disable should be an option. Shoot til down probably originated in the mind of some police trainer and has been considered unquestioned holy cop writ ever since. "Ove...

As for the police on the whole, there's no contest - a lot more people would have their lives destroyed without the police than with them. That's an argument for the lesser of two evils, and I doubt that will ever sit well with the public, as I'm sure you'll agree. One prevalent problem with the po...

The amount of footage of cops I've seen, primarily in the US but in other places as well, commiting some sort of gross violation or other is beyond counting. Law enforcement is in desperate need of reform and has been for some time. Too much force or too little, too quick to discipline or too lax. ...

my thoughts about cops is pretty complicated. I actually do some volunteer work with our cops, but I also know that many cops are corrupt. Some cops in my area make $15 per hour. Wtf. How can you find a professional at that price. And... If this bitch had me falsely arrested I would spend my life s...

Police are a violent gang of terrorists, easily identified by their uniform attire, allowed to operate in known locations, with shady ties , support, and funding from powerful institutions. https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQveNh7dlA4EmR9itbAz9gRFrxJ-taxhq8cWRe5JEeIrU4BwM_h6r2...

I've just come here to post exactly what Hunt and 'tape have just said. I saw the thing about Peterson (who I am completely neutral about), and my first thought was "I bet Meyers is gloating about this, the vicious little failure". Sure enough, he and the remnants of the Hord are taking turns to st...

https://web.archive.org/save/https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/09/21/poor-jordan-peterson/ Right, "poor" JP. PZ, you're a nasty little man. To be honest, I can see myself writing something similar about PZ, something mockingly banal and superficially sympathetic. Actually, I believe I've ...

I couldn't care less about Silverman or Richard "White Lines" Carrier, but I find it highly amusing that they got up to lots of consensual sex and kinky stuff at atheist conferences, only to find the SJW madness they enabled come back to clamp on the nipple clamps. It got me thinking just how rauco...

Does anyone else have the particular problem of knowing people who keep you on the phone way the fuck too long? There should be a name for it. It also doesn't help by having a land line and other people in the house who think the phone MUST BE ANSWERED NO MATTER WHAT. Otherwise I would always let i...

Most of my friends/family know what I'm like and a blunt "get to the fucking point" rarely offends or surprises them For some reason it never seems to occur to me just to say "I don't want to be rude, but let's limit the length of this conversation". For some reason, in the moment, that seems inapp...

Does anyone else have the particular problem of knowing people who keep you on the phone way the fuck too long? There should be a name for it. It also doesn't help by having a land line and other people in the house who think the phone MUST BE ANSWERED NO MATTER WHAT. Otherwise I would always let it...

Here's Catpeezle's take on the Silverman thing: Why does it always come down to lashing out to do harm to others? It’s another lawsuit by a man who lost prestige over his acts of sexual harassment, now thinking he can recover his dignity by punishing someone else. It won’t work. He won’t win, and e...

I won't say this on WEIT, since I'd probably be insta-banned, but if the term "cultural appropriation" could ever be reasonably applied to an artist, Amy Winehouse would surely be at the top of the list. Jeez, talk about shamelessly looting the genre, hook line and sinker.

The reaction to Beto O'Rourke's gun grabbin message with the armed American right:

Still in its earliest stages, but I'm kind of diggin it.

Oh, and Sam Harris is wrong about everything.

It is now 18 years since airplanes took aim at America and killed thousands of people. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/nyregion/september-11-tribute-ceremony.html Don't fret. Turns out, it's not our problem. raven 11 September 2019 at 1:13 pm In recent years he’s been repeatedly assailed as a bi...

I'll shut up again after this, but do you think she - Sarah Hagi - likes the movie? For someone like me, a young woman who doesn’t read comic books but watches movies based on them with zero emotional investment or expectations, it is hard not to think about how a certain audience of men will perce...

I just googled "Men's Health Center" for my area and got a listing for Walmart Pharmacy. Sounds about right.

Want to know what our Best Girl Laurie Penny is up to? https://www.wired.com/story/videogames-industry-metoo-moment-male-fragility/ A piece of her word-vomit: "The family’s wishes have been ignored; the backlash against Quinn and others has been relentless. According to the logic of an army of conc...

Pz is in high dudgeon over a charlatan working under aegis of Michael Shermer, that he ultimately exposed: https://web.archive.org/save/https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/09/07/a-remarkably-delicious-expose/ Hmmm, let me see now...lying charlatan, published by someone for years without que...

Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Crap: I guessed either Osama-Majeed Marouf Ahmed Alani or Patrick O'Leary.

Feck!

Nooo. O'Leary? He hasn't blown up planes for years. Years! The moment I heard the description I knew it had to be that ol' rascal Marouf Ahmed Alani.

Abdul-Majeed Marouf Ahmed Alani? Yeah, thought so.

Peezed gets a little pushback regarding his no-Epstein-money idealism: https://web.archive.org/save/https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/09/05/butbutthats-the-whole-goddamn-problem/ Indeed, why the proscription against separating Epstein from his money? It seems obvious this is just another ...

I’m sure many of you remember the Brock Turner rape case. His victim (cough) has just released her memoir: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/victim-brock-turner-stanford-sexual-assault-case-public/story?id=65385613 It took her this long to remember it because she was drunk off her ass, as was Turner. T...

And.. I am thinking she is pretty broken. Part of me is feeling resentful. She is acting like a 12 year old. She is punishing me for nothing. She is staying angry just to feel angry. I think she is using this incident to blame her boss for all her problems.... and this provides her an excuse to sle...

Enjoying the new Netflix Dark Crystal starring Steven Tyler. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKp1iidaXvDsckPHLcw0ud0RnB7IhRxBbccP3Gn9ZXeliVu7uH5A https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGaHHh7qMSvhvNeXZrWJmzG-tK0CDgXpLqcbW_YrlrTYeFP2ez Hmmm, it's all starting to ...

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