If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Here's another great quote from Patai and Koertge's Professing Feminism . (sorry I keep bring the book up, but it's really an awesome book!! :) Page 78: "Any undertaking involving the wholesale substitution of group norms for individual experiences, feelings, and ideas ought to be suspect. But doctr...

Wow. Just read this from Amanda Marcotte regarding Michael Nugent's recent post proposing an agenda for structured dialogue: If we eliminate people who don't want an inclusive community, there are no rifts, however. (from https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/314351027790962688 ) Why do I get t...

Interesting, yes I have noticed much the same behavior myself. I was politically active for about 18 months in a political youth party here in Sweden. Radical-feminists had invaded the place to such a degree that I couldn't even mention some thing like, how the legal system convicts ten times more ...

Wow. Just read this from Amanda Marcotte regarding Michael Nugent's recent post proposing an agenda for structured dialogue: If we eliminate people who don't want an inclusive community, there are no rifts, however. (from https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/314351027790962688 ) Why do I get t...

:whistle: http://i.imgur.com/CZ1YlVw.jpg What was that again, Ophelia? And here's Ophie enthusiastically approving Melody's labeling of Miranda Hale as a "sister punisher": http://i.imgur.com/F69kzSC.jpg http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/05/here-it-comes/#comment-173203 "Sister ...

Don't know if this has already been posted, but here's some telling comments from OB's blog post about Tuvok: Iâ€™m just amazed that Nugent hasnâ€™t shut down those comments yet. Amazed and disappointed. Not only has he not shut them down, heâ€™s encouraging them. It is a pity Nugent has decided to...

I finally got Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies by Patai and Koertge through an interlibrary loan. It's quite a good read so far and I highly recommend it. The dogmas and behaviours we're seeing from FTB are often eerily similar to what's been happening in Women St...

Oh yes, Ophelia parting ways with James Onen and Jeremy Stangroom (or perhaps with Jeremy, that way earlier)

Obviously, the continuing ideological schism and civil war has been qute destructive to the atheist/skeptic community and relationships. Has anyone here ended friendships as a result of the schism? Does anyone have former friends or friendly acquaintances who have turned on you in a vitriolic way an...

In addition to "Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies" by Daphne Patai, I've found this book by Simon Fraser University law professor Neil Boyd, entitled "Big Sister: How Extreme Feminism Has Betrayed the Fight for Sexual Equality". It's available in an ebook version s...

Correction. I looks like Daphne Patai herself won't be there, just English professor Janice Fiamengo, who I assume will talk about Daphne's book to some extent. Should be an interesting talk, just the same. I also heard that they're going to make a video of the event too and there's a possiblity of ...

Oops, the last few sentences should be outside the quotes in my previous post. Anyways, I came across an interesting post by Ophelia where she mentions Daphne Patai: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/07/how-to-oppose-the-use-of-any-kind-of-name-calling/ Iâ€™ve been on the Womenâ€...

For those of you who live close to the Toronto area, Daphne Patai, author of "Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies" is coming to give an interesting talk in a few days: http://wx.toronto.ca/festevents.nsf/591df5f4e9bb95b0852572ff00502015/8b64bf07cf5bb4d885257b1a00785...

For those of you who live close to the Toronto area, Daphne Patai, author of "Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies" is coming to give an interesting talk in a few days: http://wx.toronto.ca/festevents.nsf/591df5f4e9bb95b0852572ff00502015/8b64bf07cf5bb4d885257b1a00785c...

Re: armchair psychiatry That shit might be "deep" but it's not uncommon. My experience was not at all unique. My bio dad was an even bigger shit than the guy I was talking about. But is it the reason I now identify as a feminist? No, I don't think so. This way of thinking really only came clear to ...

Stretchycheese wrote: Barbara Drescher was right. It's like a mass case of borderline personality disorder.

Correction, it was Rebecca Bradley who said that. Apologies.

http://skepticink.com/lateraltruth/2012 ... the-chuds/

Fairly standard A+ stuff, but still a good example of the feminist kafkatrap: Christo930 starts a thread to talk about post-apocalyptic fiction and fails to respond to a post from a female poster or to show sufficient interest in books by female authors. Predictably depressing results. starts here:...

A few chapters of the book are availabe from a google books extract: http://books.google.ie/books?id=5IKHbZacWJYC&lpg=PP1&ots=7fLMbMx9dJ&dq=patai+daphne&pg=PA2&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=patai%20daphne&f=false Here's a quote from one of the authors' interviewees who was once associated with Women's Stu...

I'm certain this book has been discussed here before, but it looks like a great read: "Professing Feminism: Education and Indoctrination in Women's Studies" http://www.amazon.ca/Professing-Feminism-Education-Indoctrination-Studies/dp/0739104551 It's not in my local library unfortunately, but perhaps...

For people who have the radical idea that women are people, some feminists tend to think that women are unable to think by themselves and spend their days in a brainwashed automatic state.I never read the comic before it jumped the shark, but it did help me realize Pharyngula had jumped the shark. ...

I'm fond of plonk's "Party on the Hill". :) I think more parodies of that propaganda poster are needed.

http://i.imgur.com/LeDWoNp.jpg

I've mused about some of these topics in a few previous posts. I'll repost a few: Regarding gender vs. equity feminism, while it's not a perfect representation (I think it's more like a multidimensional spectrum), I think it's a roughly fair approximation, based on seeing the FtB/skepchick crowd's r...

Regarding gender vs. equity feminism, while it's not a perfect dichotomy (I think it's more like a spectrum that's multidimensional), I think it's a roughly fair approximation, based on seeing the FtB/skepchick crowd's rhetoric and their critics' responses. You see patterns that are indicative. For ...

Hmmm, okay that was weird, regarding my post above. If a mod can fix that somehow, it would be much appreciated.

First off, @Lsuoma: it may be on my end, but I'm getting some slowdown when I try to navigate the 'pit. How does I fix? Second, this is spectacular: Setar "Yes, julian, do fuck off. As can you, wind." viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=1450#p64801 The_Laughing_Coyote "I don't give a single dry fuck abou...

Most important, in the long term, is when we can transition from being the opposition to a bunch of idiots to just doing an end run around them, show that they aren't the faces of the atheist and skeptical movement, rather they are a perversion of it. To do that, as Welch says, we have to offer som...

Most important, in the long term, is when we can transition from being the opposition to a bunch of idiots to just doing an end run around them, show that they aren't the faces of the atheist and skeptical movement, rather they are a perversion of it. To do that, as Welch says, we have to offer som...

okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating, and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented! Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one ...

I'm not a photoshop expert, but here's a site with plenty of Soviet propaganda posters that Jan Steen and others can play with, should they so wish. :P

http://www.allposters.com/-st/Russian-P ... 98225_.htm

*Bump* Interesting diversity in political views. It's ironic that the A+ crowd say they want to foster diversity, but in reality they act more like an insular cult, demanding absolute homogeneity and chasing away dissenters. The Slymepit actually has greater political diversity than A+, but with the...

Freaking awesome vid! "Why 'Feminism' is poisoning Atheism" [youtube]cKKQdJR7F_I[/youtube] Thank you, Thunderfoot! Another thing. Esteleth's point reminds me of that Space Moose comic, with a character saying "your rights end where my feelings begin." Essentially, they object to people who want to ...

Freaking awesome vid! "Why 'Feminism' is poisoning Atheism" [youtube]cKKQdJR7F_I[/youtube] Thank you, Thunderfoot! Great video. :) It's great to see videos like this exposing the FTB radfems and PC drama queens for the dogmatists and idealogues that they are. Thanks for sharing that -- more people,...

Speaking of satire, whatever happened to Peezus and O?

As Paula Kirby pointed out, the FTB/Skephchick/A+ crowds has shown signs of "totalitarian thought". The use of Newspeak vocabulary and rhetoric is one form of totalitarian though and is a way to impose social control and vilification of dissent. For example, criticism of radical feminist ideology is...

http://i.imgur.com/TKI5Z.jpg Just. Wow. I've long since rejected taking PZ's rhetoric seriously. His definition of "vicious misogyn and hate" is simply translated as "disagreement with radical feminist ideology". PZ, and much of the FTB/Skepchick crowd, simply can't tell the difference between the ...

More for the A+Theism "privilege = original sin" analogy: http://i.imgur.com/gKPO0.png Young men kill themselves, and the response is "good riddance??" My head just exploded with hate. I remember someone made a list of their website called "Fundies say the darndest things!" If someone starts a list...

Hmmm, perhaps there could be some Poe's law here. Is keori for real? Is he/she a veteran PZ commenter? I suppose he/she could be a troll trying to make PZ's sycophants look crazy and irrational, but he/she could have fooled me.

Whoo-eeee! And just when you thought FTB couldn't get any more mental: http://i.imgur.com/XIVnf.png http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/12/06/never-forget/comment-page-1/#comment-505904 :lol: - I can't even be offended. The nincompoopery is just too strong in this one. Holy shit, that has t...

I think it's also the anti-authoritarian stance many of us have, regardless of our political differences, that turned us off to the FTB/Skepchick crowd. Paula Kirby wasn't the only one to pick up on the "totalitarian thought" from them. Vilification of dissent, groupthink, declaring critics persona ...

I would just like to get a notion as to what the general political leanings of the Slymepitters are. FTB'ers might tar us as libertarians or conservatives but I don't think that holds up in reality. I think we're more likely a politically diverse group that just happens to share a skepticism of dogm...

Like a few others here, I used to be a fan of Pz Myers. I even met him once. But he has really gone off the deep end, and so have the regular posters Same thoughts here exactly. I met him him once and even had him sign my copy of the "God Delusion". I no longer follow his blog and had I known he wo...

Oh bloody hell, I just learned that Rebecca Watson is coming to my locale next month to give a talk to the local skeptic society. I fear that she may drive to drive a wedge in the group with her divisive gender identity politics and bring about a schism here as well. Her talk is supposed to be on re...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/atheism-its-time-to-walk-the-walk/ Blag Hag has a new post up for them to brainstorm how their new movement is to progress. Its like having a front-row seat to a muppet re-enactment of one of the early Bolshevik congresses. Indeed. I wonder who will take ...

Is there *ONE* issue PZ Myers isnt a complete hypocrite on? *ONE* issue he wont change his stance on, on a dime, just to make a personal/political jab? He posted this cartoon as a jab to Franc: http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2012-07-31.gif Note the 'PORN HARMS' sign. Interesting. I didn't reali...

Ye know, I can't help but laugh every time they say the Slyme Pit is full of libertarians, because, being not a Yank, I have precisely fuck all idea what a libertarian even is . Libertarians are essentially socially liberal but right-leaning economically. I'm left of centre myself and am very criti...

TAM's is looking brighter! http://atheiststoday.com/images/pzquote.jpg Indeed it is. TAM is indeed a lot better off without sanctimonious radfem dogmatists and drama queens. PZ seems to think the word "asshole" means "any heretic who dares to not conform to our gender identity politics dogmatism." ...

Having read up on the T-shirt-gate drama, I'm reminded of Paul Kirby's comment from Sisterhood of the Oppressed and Typhonblue's Women in Groups - Wonderful or Warlords : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B02RDDb71N8Xc2EwYmw5T2Z4eDg/edit?pli=1 http://www.genderratic.com/p/1402/v-leaks-2-0-women-in-gro...

Skeeve wrote:I'm amazed that this comment was left untouched:

Awesome post by RGL. :) Way to go!

Here at TAM. :) Saw Randi. Sucks you can only get free wifi near the registration desk.

Paula Kirby recently brought up this very prescient article on groupthink by Jeremy Stangroom. Check it out: "How the internet can close minds" (2004) https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0vS4YK5r7W7ZGtWNlduTDFyWEE/edit?pli=1 The term "groupthink" was coined by psychologist Irving Janis to describe how ...

I just thought it was weird... he's trying to make it sound like he has all these female friends (Desiree Schell is his new BFF-- not Stephanie) and they all say things like "I'll kick your ass" --which he said to Justin (along with lots of other creepy stuff) and it's all very normal and fun, fun,...

1-4 sound reasonable to me. And my thanks for getting the board underway. I suspected some discontent may occur, based on my experience with past board dramas (e.g. IIDB, Talk Rational). After all, the only thing that unites the Slymers really is their nontheistic /skeptics outlook and objections to...

Here's a bit of nostalgia from the thread "Bad form Rebecca Watson", when Skeptifem first introduced her KKK-esque rhetorical terms to describe non-radfem women: Yawn. Enjoy your fate as a gender traitor, erv. Youâ€™ll find out eventually, same as the rest of us, that its a game you canâ€™t win. You...

Is there anyone here going to TAM 2012?

This will be my first time. Anyone been to the Southpoint before? What's it like?

Everyman, I don't see it that way. Perhaps there's a tendency in some social sciences and humanities to see human nature in terms of blank slatism and social constructivism (women's studies faculties in particular), but I don't see the conflict rooted in hard science vs. social science disciplinary ...

40 year old male from Canada. I have an MA in political science. My political views tend to be left-of-centre and I'm somewhat more sympathetic to the accommodationist wing in the accommodationist/confrontationist debate among nontheists. I'm fascinated with learning about human nature and our physi...

I wasn't convinced of it being a sexism issue either. It could have been some socially awkward geeky admirer of hers who just wanted to get to know her better and chat about Dr. Who or Game of Thrones or something. Social awkwardness doesn't imply misogyny. That's the other thing I noticed about the...

FWIW: I was predisposed to agree with PZ et al and I read their feminism 101 etc. links at the time of EG, but I still had questions that I wanted cleared up. When I first read about the conflict, I was initially sympathetic to Watson's view regarding guys propositioning her in elevators at 4am. Bu...

Perhaps it's the accommodationist strain in me, but I think a forum for FTB/Skepchick defenders might be interesting. Some may be inclined to come here and support or debate their perspective and perhaps create potential for some bridge-building (at least with the more moderate FTB/Skepchick support...

I don't remember where on PZ's blog, but I think someone called Abbie a "self hating woman" or something along those lines.

I've also heard "colluder" to describe non-radfems but not from FT blogs.

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