If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

You guys are so much fun!

I'll recapitulate what I've tried to say about some behavior that I see as popular here, and wrong: 1. It looks to me like it's popular here, as it is in every other social forum I've seen on the Internet, to depreciate the personality, character and motives of some other people, and to project the ...

Metalogic, I'm glad to see that you're still following this thread!

Isn' that sort of thing, meaning actual atheist-focussed communities, mostly an American thing? I've been thinking the same thing, but I don't have much data to go on yet. I mean, up here in Canada, almost everyone I have ever known in my life is an atheist, yet none of them are involved in any way...

Lsuoma,

Thanks for a good laugh!

Like I said, I'm warming up more and more to everyone here!

One of my passions in life is community-building. I would be very interested in what people have been doing for the welfare and progress of their atheist communities. I'm especially interested in what people were doing for the welfare and progress of their communities, before the A+ feuding started....

Matt, your post #48 above gives an answer to the question I was trying to ask in my original post in this thread. Now I find them threatening to ruin the entire A/S community. I've seen other people saying that, as a reason for campaigning against the FtBfem faction. So far I haven't seen any sign h...

I try to focus my criticism on what a person has said or done, not the person themselves. I like that. I've made common cause with libertarians on atheism, with christians on civil liberties, and with conservatives & New Agers alike on animal welfare. I like that. Now I find them threatening to rui...

I just realized that I haven't followed my reason for posting here, about the harmful attitudes and practices I see here, to its logical conclusion. My reason for posting here, about the harmful attitudes and practices I see here, was because I saw a possibility that someone might actually take it s...

In case I haven't made it clear enough, my reason for singling out the immoral behavior I see here, is not because it looks any worse to me than any of the behavior I've seen in the FtBfem faction and its fans. It doesn't. It doesn't even look any worse to me than some things I sometimes do myself.

Aneris, thank you. Without retracting what I've said about the immorality of some of the behavior, I will say that I'm a lot less concerned about what's happening here than I was, and I'm warming up more and more to you and other people here. I'll respond in my peanut gallery thread to what you said...

I think I see more clearly now what I'm trying to do, when I speak out against some behavior that I see as harmful, and popular in a group that I'm associating with, so I'll try again here, with that in mind. The behaviors that I want to point to as harmful here, are depreciating the personality, ch...

This is partly a response to Matt's post #37 in the thread "Does The Undead Thread promote bullying?" Please refer back to my point 1) above: the majority of material here is considered legitimate satire on hypocrisy, lies, anti-social behavior, and irrational positions. While some may engage in the...

Matt, I want to add, in relation to your point 6), that for me this is not only a practical issue, but also a moral issue.

kunda,

I'm sorry, I forgot to say thank you. What you posted was very helpful.

Matt, I'm in the process of reversing my position. I'm seeing The Undead Thread in a much more favorable light now. In every social forum I've ever seen on the Internet, there is at least one category or group of people that is a popular target of stigmatizing, and that stigmatizing is systematicall...

I'm suddenly starting to see The Undead Thread in a much better light. It's the first forum I've seen where demonizing that's popular in the forum is not denied and does not go unchallenged.

In the thread Does The Undead Thread promote bullying? , someone asked about my purposes in posting. Here are some of my purposes that I'm aware of: 1. In the beginning, my purpose was to learn more about people's grievances against people associated with the FtBfem faction. 2. Then I decided to try...

Badger3k wrote:Do you have any reason for posting other than to make yourself feel superior ...?

Yes.

As I said in the thread Does The Undead Thread promote bullying? , I just realized that the behavior I'm denouncing in The Undead Thread is exactly what I've denounced in every other social forum I've ever seen on the Internet: stigmatizing some group or category of people, and nurturing antipathy a...

What's uncommon is doing it so openly and blatantly, and being so proud of it.

I just realized that there's nothing unique, or even uncommon, in the behavior I'm denouncing in The Undead Thread. It's exactly what I've denounced in every other social forum I've ever seen on the Internet: stigmatizing some group or category of people, and nurturing antipathy against them, across...

Skep tickle, I read that whole thread, and I didn't see any sign that anyone who was ever tempted to believe the propaganda of the FtBfem faction, saw through it by the "light" shining from The Undead Thread. Every explanation that I found there, of what turned people against that faction, has been ...

Skep tickle, thank you! I should have asked that question first, and saved myself the time and effort that I wasted in writing the rest of that post.

From the thread Does The Undead Thread promote bullying? Even the 'worst' of the ridicule here does not qualify as 'stalking', rape- or death threats, etc. as is claimed by the FtB'ers I'll take that as rough summary of what I meant by "theatrics," in some of my posts in this thread. That comes unde...

Matt,

Standing applause.

I wish I'd said that.

Metalogic42, I owe you an apology. I've been hypothesizing again, and this time you might be right about the source. For example:

jimhabegger wrote:and it looks to me like grandstanding for the benefit of CFI's MRA donors

windy, I wasn't talking about any group. Maybe I misused the "MRA" acronym. I thought it was a generic term for men's rights activists, not referring to any particular group. I didn't think it would be controversial to presume that some of the donors to CFI are men's rights activists.

It seems to me that The Undead Thread plays right into their hands. In fact, now that I think of it, it looks to me like they're playing The Slymepit like a fiddle.

Windy, the hyperbole over there is so blatant and transparent, that I'm questioning whether anyone could actually believe it. I see plenty of people propagating it, but I question whether any of them actually believe it, and whether The Undead Thread is any more useful than a thread devoted to provi...