If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

I wouldn't call her an aFeminist at all, she says herself at the beginning of the video I am a feminist in my own way 18 seconds in. She simply isn't the variety of radfem that the FC5(6) has been cultivating. She sounds like an equity feminist that is pointing out that men get paid more because th...

Michael K Gray wrote:Don't mention gun control.
The Yanks will go absolutely mental.
It is a pathology with them.

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Optimus Primate wrote: What the...? How in the...? In what alternate fucking universe is what Corylus said in any way, shape, or form disgusting?!

Apparently a Universe where an elderly woman advertising that she feels safe is now a form of harassment!

CommanderTuvok wrote:Jessie says:
July 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Itâ€™s clear that TAM only wants women who donâ€™t mind being propositioned.
Jessie is a moron.

:lol:

Where can I find a woman like that?

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I couldn't resist sharing this seriously awesome post by Benson: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/07/your-hit-parade/ Where she shows that she *can* take the piss! Either you are reading her wrong or I'm reading you wrong; but I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic and is not ...

Yes. Sorry if I wasn't clear before. I meant to imply a sense of 'lying by omission'. Not being upfront that only sex was of interest, and instead letting the other party think something more might be there. I guess you missed this comment by D.J. Grothe ... So much of that feels to me more like ru...

Yeah, it has to be said, the various keywords deployed by the PUAs do have unfortunate connotations: one thing I don't like is the 'HB' (Hot Babe) rating to describe women - which seems to imply that women who only fit a stereotypical ideal of beauty are 'worthwhile'. I'm certainly not pretending t...

KiwiInOz wrote:I have to disagree with you, EveryMan. I see the world in colour.

I bet you do!

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Has it occurred to anyone else that we may becoming the bullies we are attacking? Maybe we are as bad to pile on and all laugh at Amy for freaking out over a T-shirt? What would you guys do if Surly Amy somehow chose to post on here to defend her side? Would you be willing to give her a listen? I'm...

Dilurk, I can't say how Amy would be treated (not a mind-reader), but I can point to an earlier episode from the Periodical Table of Swearing where Jen was getting bagged on pretty hard, stepped in to defend herself, and was met with -- surprise, surprise -- polite deference, not only from Abbie he...

Has it occurred to anyone else that we may becoming the bullies we are attacking? Maybe we are as bad to pile on and all laugh at Amy for freaking out over a T-shirt? What would you guys do if Surly Amy somehow chose to post on here to defend her side? Would you be willing to give her a listen? I'm...

Careful, dude! You'll be getting Justicar back in here soon with his 30,000 word screeds... Well, to justi's credit, he is an ex-cop and that is the law. That his brain happens to naturally produce methamphetamine is irrelevant. :mrgreen: I don't even particularly have a strong opinion on the law, ...

SÃ¸ren Lilholt wrote:
1. Someone wearing a t-shirt saying they felt safe and happy.
2. Someone making a standard gesture of friendship to a fellow attendee.

Oh its, much much worse than that:

http://skepchick.org/2011/06/hug-me-at-tam/

Anyone see the problem?

Right...so if I'm reading this correctly, a man she didn't know tried to hug her, and she had to put out a hand to stop it from happening. Given that she would no doubt have made it quite clear if the man would have ignored the hand, I think it's safe to assume the guy took the hint. He tried to hu...

Is it mandatory when joining skepchicks that you are self absorbed, batshit crazy, emotionally unstable attention whore? That's half of it. The other half is you have to make a career out of complaining about the inevitable repercussions of being a self-absorbed, batshit crazy, emotionally unstable...

Amy Davis Roth is one of the most unpleasant people I have ever met. She is rude, obnoxious, disrespectful, and mean. I've met her a few times, and watched how she treated people (especially women who were not Skepchicks). She is well known in the skeptic community for treating women like they are ...

I'm with Surly Amy on this one. I can't tell you how many times I've been brought to tears when people wear I'm with stupid (especially when I'M the one who's stupid) and FBI Female Body Inspector T-shirts. Let's all collectively pressure DJ Grothe to implement an anti-harassment T-shirt/clothing p...

And here I was thinking that feminists were 'strong' women. Whatever gave me that idea? The last, great refuge of sexism in our society is the "infantilization" of women. Ironically and unsurprisingly enough to me personally, the worst offenders are modern feminists themselves. Especially the ones ...

Of course not. They have been beating the drum that TAM is unsafe for so long and with such personal investment, the only thing that would make them happy would be confirmation that they were correct. Harriet Hill's crime was to proclaim she felt safe and welcomed. How dare she. I'm a big fan of hi...

If a truce never develops it will be because neither side is of any value to the other, or one or both is populated by fanatics who "won't change their minds and won't change the subject." The broader debate in Academia (of which this is a subset) is really that of objectivists vs. subjectivists. T...

OK, as I mentioned earlier back up at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&start=1400#p2456 I have a "femsplainer" that I consult when I start to get dizzy. So I just did that and she femsplained to me that : http://www.genderratic.com/p/1402/v-leaks-2-0-women-in-groups-wonderful-o...

I'm amazed that this comment was left untouched: They do this "thing" over there where they will leave something like that up thinking it "proves" what evil misogynists their critics are. It doesn't work. Laden tried it with me when he posted my emails to him attempting to explain that the libel he...

So the word was out that Surly was expecting to be harassed, and JREF was determined that if it did happen, that it was going to be not only swiftly dealt with, but that there was going to be a video record of the incident. JREF, in addition to the recordings, also had put together an undercover an...

Hah, I pity you straight guys....I've been waiting to go gaybar hopping with Abbie for years. I just know she has plenty of cute guys to party with down on Penn. :) Not gay either. Gender doesnt even factor into my partner choices, but we can still party on 36th street! I swear to God if you use th...

But that's a usage of responsibility that can get you yelled at and booted off the playground by angry feminists, since they take "responsibility" to mean "you were asking for it". Being able to differentiate different levels of responsibility (and I guess maybe subtle meanings of the term) is beyo...

And there it is. The entire worth of the FtB/Skepchick "feminist" movement, immortalized for all to see. And point fingers at. And laugh at. Hard. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/07/in-your-face/#comment-223155 Pure Comedy Gold. If Franc had written that we would have laughed ...

I would suggest acknowledging the abuse Watson has received and agreeing no one deserves this. I would then point out many atheists in the public eye receives abuse Jessica Ahlquist comes to mind, but this does not give someone the right to cyber bully others. It's the classic sympathy card. You pe...

mythri nails the FfTB focus (accidentally): "If it comes down to a choice between skepticism and feminism at any point, I will choose feminism every time." link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2012/07/in-your-face/#comment-222346 Given that skepticism is a process and feminism an ...

re: Watson and her miniskirt metaphor - I think she's trying to say that by saying "don't feed the trolls", you're blaming the victim. It does show how she can't see anything in terms other than the current ideology she has (like many of her ilk). I think a more apt metaphor might be "saying don't ...

Case 5: If you don't agree with me, I'm going to try to get your blog shut down (loss of income) or get you in trouble with your boss. Threat Level: 7 Not nice: 10. If you actually contact their boss, it's goes to Threat Level 8. Case 6: Next time I see you at a conference, I'm going to kick your a...

Abbie has written. She needed a break from all of this. She deserves as long as she needs. "I sprung this on everybody pretty much overnight. I didnt even have my own thoughts together. No one here is behaving maliciously-- Only concerned and confused, and that second part is all my fault." Abbie, ...

Sometimes I wonder if the femtheists would prefer to have male conference attendees more like Steve Carell's character in The 40-Year-Old Virgin : I respect women! I love women! I respect them so much that I completely stay away from them! I large part of my ire directed to them is that anyone that...

So, would social privilege apply to a white female in her 20s, college educated, who doesn't seem to work a real job, but is free to travel the world and give "talks", as well as attend many conventions, and have a hoard of followers who will mindlessly defend her every whim? I made that exact poin...

Personally, I think that the concept of privilege is a valid one. What is wrong with acknowledging that a position of relative advantage can blind one to the experience of the less privileged? One can see this 'privileged' attitude amongst some wealthy whites in post apartheid South Africa who seem...

Reading, I feel like this has gone down the road of what's okay to say/what's not okay to say/you're a bastard if you dare say it. Except now y'all are in on it too. You and Franc are anonymous. Abbie and I are not, so we have a bit more at stake here. Moral highground is fine, but if you're bannin...

So in Laden's world "man I want to kick his/her ass" is very obviously a "metaphor" when uttered amongst his friends, while "if I was a girl I'd .... her in the ...." uttered online by a person on the opposite side of the planet is a serious threat deserving of nine months worth of fierce denunciat...

sacha wrote:

It worked. Not so blonde, eh?[/quote]

Oh Lsuoma, baby... you have no idea just how blond I am...[/quote]

Pure. Comedy. Gold.

Man, I would love to find some topic you know nothing about, and for which I do know something about, and give the goddamn OH FFS when you meekly expose your ignorance. A) Fat Chance. B) See this post re: dingleberries over-reacting to non-issues: http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=...

okay, I can search for a phrase! here is the beginning of Nectar's disagreement: http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2011/11/26/periodic-table-of-swearing/comment-page-103/#comment-49354 hope it works It worked. Not so blonde, eh? http://www.certifiedbattery.com/taspanddroud/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/oh-g...

sacha wrote:okay, I get the source for the entire page, this is what happened when franc thought he showed me how as well. grrr

Ok, so just search for the text of the quote and look a few lines above it for the comment id.

Everyman at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73#p698 , with all due respect, that is deeply complicated (and missing a lot of instruction and steps) for someone who is not an html / programming familiar. OH FFS Here is a script to do it: #!/bin/bash #expects comment url as escaped...

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CommanderTuvok wrote:Would like to, but I'm in the wrong country and I'm poor. Pity, because without Queen Bee, PZ Barnum, and Opheliar, it will be a great event.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Justac(urre)nt is hot, but he's also a fucking lunatic. IMHO. YMMV. ETC.

I think he's brilliant. He's so brilliant in fact I've had absolutely no idea what he's been about for the last week or so.

I literally can't tell if he was supporting Abbie's request to clean up the 'pit or rejecting it.

hahaha! typical blond! I can't figure out how to get the link to a specific quote on ERV. would anyone like to come to the rescue of a damsel in distress? Step #1: Find the comment page: http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2011/11/26/periodic-table-of-swearing/comment-page-106/#comments Step #2: View the s...

Probably not, but by the very low threshold the Baboons have with regards to "threats" :lol: , Laden's behaviour was indefensible. Well, unless you are Stefunny Black Svan. The fucking hypocrite even had a toast to him the night he was fired was FfTB. One set of standards for them, another set for ...

Been waiting till the thread was moved to say this.

I'm very, very concerned that certain individuals are going to read this as victory/capitulation over Abbie and double-up on their attacks on her. This is why I'm not big on appeasement.

Anyways, I really hope I'm wrong.

The MRA's are societies Yang to the Femmie Yin.

And they are equally irritating and unnecessary.

I think Justicar is rad, but he can be a drama queen. Literally.

Hopefully he'll lighten up and join up.

Everyman: That wikiP link is very interesting. I have often had thoughs along those lines, but didn't know it was an actual *thing* with a name. I'm a GenX'er and this was a huge, huge thing when I was undergrad. In fact it, it contributed to me dropping out of a liberal arts college and getting in...

Everyman, I don't see it that way. Perhaps there's a tendency in some social sciences and humanities to see human nature in terms of blank slatism and social constructivism (women's studies faculties in particular), but I don't see the conflict rooted in hard science vs. social science disciplinary...

Let's, please, all of us, including the fainting Aunt Nannies, get a fucking grip on some adult fucking reality, please. The core of this entire "debate" resolves around dipshits over-reacting to non-issues. That the management here desires to keep certain content off this blog is a non-issue. Whic...

Laden was their enforcer, so their offensive capabilities have been muted to some extent. Btw, I really have to say this. There is something really, seriously "off" about that dude. Yes, In a Jeffrey Dahmer kind of way. Greg Laden http://events.skepchick.org/files/2011/03/greg-laden.jpeg Jeffrey Da...

Laden was their enforcer, so their offensive capabilities have been muted to some extent.

Btw, I really have to say this. There is something really, seriously "off" about that dude.

Won't happen. This is just a border skirmish that been going on between social "scientists" and real scientists since the 90's. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars The red flag is the keyword "privilege". Nobody with a real job ever uses that word. The only way to deal with them is to tro...

+1 to that. I was around for one of these splits many years ago for the same reason. Management brought the ban hammer down on the JREF forum and we splintered off into: http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/ This is now a den of infighting and flaming. Which is actually kind of fun, but for here we sho...

I don't remember where on PZ's blog, but I think someone called Abbie a "self hating woman" or something along those lines. I've also heard "colluder" to describe non-radfems but not from FT blogs. Maybe here; I don't have time to wade through all the Anti-Abbie rhetoric: http://freethoughtblogs.co...

LMU wrote:Hahaha I approve!

Porcupines are one of the things that drove me away from Pharyngula. Seriously how is it not a rape joke?

Because it came from them.

bhoytony wrote:Isn't this cyberstalking according to Steffy's own rules? Bad Steffs.

I've noticed quite a bit of the following behavior from the FC5:

1) Imagining immoral/unethical/creepy behavior from others.

2) Using #1 to justify their own actual real immoral/unethical/creepy behavior.

This is what I use:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_skepticism

Help separate one from the denier/troofer "skeptics".

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