If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

But, more generally relative to the Aneris-Kirbmarc-ServiceDog "schism", while I sympathize with aspects of your apparent if somewhat inchoate or incoherent position, it also seems that you're being rather dogmatic, almost "SJW-ish" in your "four legs good, two legs bad" rejection of any and all "c...

The guilt by association bit I was talking about isn't about Sargon&Co, there's nothing about Sargon&Co in my signature (even though I think you're confusing "giving a stage" with "defending someone's rights"). No your use of guilt of association I was talking about, that people can read in my sign...

You must have meant Kirbmarc. Or Service Dog. I have him on ignore and don't know what he's on about with "financial disincentive" and the likes. When have I endorsed censorship, Aneris? Or engaged in guilt by associaton and proposed silencing platforms? You haven't endorsed censorship (not beyond ...

How does anyone refute Charles Murray without having listened to what Charles Murray says? How do I refute a fringe Far Right Evangelical speaking about traditional values unless I've heard what they've had to say? Do I just sign up for what a blogger at Salon tells me they said? Milo may have set ...

How does anyone refute Charles Murray without having listened to what Charles Murray says? How do I refute a fringe Far Right Evangelical speaking about traditional values unless I've heard what they've had to say? Do I just sign up for what a blogger at Salon tells me they said? Milo may have set ...

Kirb, have you read Scott Alexanders take, some guy and Sunder shared? http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/11/sa ... resources/ Do you deny that inviting a fringe Far Right Evangelical to your podcast, to speak about "traditional values" positively is furthering a Republican project? If you disagree,...

Kirb, have you read Scott Alexanders take, some guy and Sunder shared? http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/04/11/sacred-principles-as-exhaustible-resources/ Do you deny that inviting a fringe Far Right Evangelical to your podcast, to speak about "traditional values" positively is furthering a Republican ...

I might also add that I am not planning to ever post anything longer (in fact I already scapped many interesting things, e.g. the Evo Psych debate, RW stuff etc.) since the forum is now about one-line-zingers and sharing news bits. So this should not matter, however, you should be able to use the i...

I might also add that I am not planning to ever post anything longer (in fact I already scapped many interesting things, e.g. the Evo Psych debate, RW stuff etc.) since the forum is now about one-line-zingers and sharing news bits. So this should not matter, however, you should be able to use the ig...

Can someone please let me know how I can add Aneris to my foes list? I can't be bothered anymore. My list is now 2 people; Steersman and Aneris. For some reason I get the message that I can't add administrators in which case please adjust that situation. Thanks. This is because I still have mod sta...

You cannot believe anything Kirbmarc or Service Dog say about this discussion. Here's my offer, I leave Sargon (and Karen Straughan) alone for a while, so you can sleep for a few nights without crying in your sleep. OK, this has pissed me off a little bit. I didn't mind your laughable accusation of...

Is your patience exhausted? You know how it is with baboons. They keep lying about you, you keep setting the record straight. Then comes the banhammer. :dance: I think Aneris' view has always been that the main ideological war one should be concerned with is between the left and the right, and the ...

Aneris's consequentialism doesn't really seem to me like "censorship." Consider the other case: German bureaucrats ruled that a 24-hour internet livestream is a "radio" broadcast, requiring an expensive broadcast license to operate---<snip> Aneris sided with the bureaucrats' ruling. <snip> Here's w...

If a Brexiter invites a Neo Nazi to their show to testify against the "increasingly bureaucratic, plutocratic and undemocratic EU" then yes, this Brexiter will be viewed by me as laying the pipes for Far Right views into the mainstream (this is what the YouTubers factually did). Go on, promote a Ne...

The fact that you are implying Brexiteers are 'anti Europe' and 'far right' proves to me that you are just a pillock, maybe this forum isn't the place for you and you should consider joining Pee Zee and his chums. Not wanting Britain to remain in the ever increasingly bureaucratic, plutocratic and ...

Kirbmarc, and others. You said it already. It’s no big deal for you to invite a Neo Nazi to a stream as a legitimate opinion when it happens to agree on a single issue with yours. There's the issue: it's not about "agreeing on a single issue" is "defending their right to free speech". This isn't a ...

Kirbmarc, and others. You said it already. It’s no big deal for you to invite a Neo Nazi to a stream as a legitimate opinion when it happens to agree on a single issue with yours. And this does not affect the quality of Sargon and the likes. There, I summed it up for you. I have a very different vie...

I didn't argue for censorship. I said I didn't want to discuss whether Anti-Nazi Laws in Germany are legit. I didn't question whether Kekistan is shitposting, meant for fun. This was never in doubt. Stop being baboons. Social justice warrior type of censorship was about them demanding, or forcing pe...

Came to post this very thing I think he THINKS he's still left wing, but the emergent scene of youtube commentators that he is involved with aren't. In this video Sargon says "abortion is the least important right" noting that "women will just have to raise their kids or use birth control" - this i...

Lsuoma wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote:I've started scrolling through the Aneris Kerfuffle arguments, its just got way too boring now. Am I alone? :snooty:
I'm having fun finding out about past actions and motives I never recognized in myself...

I was just pulling your leg, by the way. #LsuomaDidNothingWrong

I've started scrolling through the Aneris Kerfuffle arguments, its just got way too boring now. Am I alone? :snooty: No, but it'seems rather baffling to see someone argue from the Pit that "it's okay when we do it." I'm gonna assume Aneris has gone all Steersman and scroll my way past. I am not say...

shoutinghorse wrote:I've started scrolling through the Aneris Kerfuffle arguments, its just got way too boring now. Am I alone? :snooty:

That is what Caine would write. I guess, I'm being servicedogpiled by Slime Pit Warriors.

Let's say Dave Rubin invites a Mystery Guest. Dave Rubin one day makes a show where he invites a Professor whose views are being suppressed. It is horrible, you'd agree. University especially needs to be more diverse. This is a claptrap that sets the stage. He says there is Heterodox Academy and we ...

[...] Provide sources where he or one of the others invited other extreme wing nutters. In addition, the host must be overall sympathetic to the person invited. Then you have a match. I don't rule that out, but if that is the case, I'd change my view only that such hosts are acting like general cra...

Fucking Christ - Aneris. It is possible to hold a position (as I do) that free speech should be afforded to nearly everyone.... even Nazis. This does not mean I support Nazis. It means that I think speech should be countered with more speech... and not laws against speech. I prefer the US model (wh...

It is really easy at the end of the day. There are two different contexts. Context One is given by the Social Justice or Regressive Left situation. This is the bread and butter of Sargon and other YouTubers day-in and day-out, and their main reason to recent success. Dave Rubin, too, broke off over ...

The debate was about Service Dog asserting Germany was introducing laws that would crack down on German social media or YouTube users, citing Anti-SJW Youtubers who discussed this in a stream. I replied that without credible evidence, I was skeptical, since I found these Anti-SJW YouTubers as unreli...

free thoughtpolice wrote:Given the apparent race of our illustrious leader:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimchi]
Not saying it has blown giant holes in his excellency's colon but...

I think you meant:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanchō

Sorry, I was wrong Aneris, you didn't call the SJWs "far right-authoritarians", merely Right Wing Authoritarians : At present, you can't do anything against that directly. Social Justice Warriors themselves have a different model of reality in mind, which is structured by these things (e.g. concept...

Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed u...

Find me one instance of Sargon or Dave or Kraut and Tea openly and explicitly advocating for nazi policies (not just for regulating immigration). Then this post will make some sense. You let yourself go a little bit. That makes it way too easy. I mean how can one say that a picture of a woman with ...

Something I'm curious about regarding the new rules for facebook etc in Germany. Does it apply to everything, or just things in German posted by Germans or someone in Germany. Can someone in Germany or the German government complain about something posted in English from the US and get it removed u...

This is reaching. Sargon isn't Dave Rubin, they're not one and the same, and Sargon never "endorsed" Alex Jones anymore than I "endorsed" Paul Joseph Watson when I wrote that his video on how Sarah Silverman's crazy ramblings about imaginary swastikas and other over-reactions to Trump were hurting ...

Finally, you are of course free to think Alex Jones is fine, and that Reichsbürgers are legit characters, and you can protest that I consider the whole corner to be the utter loons that they are. Come on! This is as clumsy as teenage sex on prom night. Your whole argumentation look like you just ha...

free thoughtpolice wrote:Was Sargon being serious there? If so, he's even dumber than I thought.

Nobody can tell anymore (see above). You find serious similar talking points next to trolling.

[...] Now you pretend I doubted the actual news you presented later with your deceptive editing. But everyone can just go looking: here . You also conflate again your deceptive fake news claims with the more modest reality. Not "YouTubers" are affected, but there is one 24/7 stream that might fall ...

[...] Their thought leaders are Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson, not Adolf Hitler or the KKK. You can be ironic when you actually have ironic distance. Being a right winger, and then "joking" with nazi imagery just doesn't work. Punks may get away with wearing a swatiska for shock value, once, bu...

Some possible counter-evidence to Aneris' idea that Sargon supports a "far right" nationalistic agenda: he's very critical of Geert Wilders, especially of his illiberal Qu'ran ban. I think that Sargon is center-right/right-wing libertarian by now (the "reformation of the left" ship has sailed long ...

[...]while avoiding to make the case why libel, defamation, incitement to violence, and holocaust denial should be made legal. But these are not all the same thing. Libel and defamation relate to specific individuals who are harmfully libeled or defamed, incitement to violence is about the threat o...

Your emphasis was on actual censorship (of not PC enough views), but the sources speak of "prosecutable content" or even "clearly" illegal content. I've been following this discussion for a bit without commenting much, and here is one of the things that makes me skeptical of your take, and more inc...

You sound desperate. Why would I? You followed the script to the last T as I outlined before. You offered no surprise at all. You went in with hyperbolic fake news about the government censorsing ordinary opinions, then you ended up with Anti-Holocaust/Nazi Laws. The former is your bailey, the latt...

They lied about Vietnam. They lied about Afghanistan. They lied about Iraq. They lied about Libya. And they're today lying about #Syria too The Iraq WMDs? Yep, I grant you that. What are the other "lies"? I agree going to into those other wars were perhaps mistaken, thoughtless, wreckless, morally ...

http://bilder.t-online.de/b/52/64/16/44/id_52641644/425/tid_da/nazi-demo.jpg English Wikipedia has an article on the Reichsbürgers . Reichsbürgerbewegung ("Reich Citizens' Movement") or Reichsbürger ("Reich Citizens") is a label for several groups and individuals in Germany and elsewhere who reject...

An eris, wouldn't the Slymepit.com be illegal under the German laws being discussed? The Slymepit does not allow illegal material to be posted. There never was free-speech absolutism here. Since the laws in Germany are about illegal, prosecutable content, I don't see why the Pit would be illegal. S...

[...] I'll keep listening, to hear whether there's more to support Aneris's claim that the man engaged in 'treason'. So far, there's much more dishonest slant in Aneris's reporting, than in the youtubers'. Keep listening to it. Just as I said, the whole Reichsbürger stuff unfolds slowly. When I rec...

[...] Germany has a pathological need to virtue-signal to the world that they don't tolerate nazism so they keep upping the ante by limiting "problematic" speech. We get it, you're no longer nazis, you can stop worrying about your reputation now. This is another issue that get gets caught up in thi...

[...] Germany has a pathological need to virtue-signal to the world that they don't tolerate nazism so they keep upping the ante by limiting "problematic" speech. We get it, you're no longer nazis, you can stop worrying about your reputation now. This is another issue that get gets caught up in thi...

[...] Your link says: "There is also the risk that users may also report misleading content and expressions, or expressions that fall under the freedom of expression. How the networks should decide within 24 hours, what is criminal and what is not, is hitherto unclear." You continue to pretend that...

New German law allowing fines up to $50M euro on social media companies as well as $5M euro fines on their individual executives for content removal failures now has cabinet approval, could be passed by parliament later this month. http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/germany-threatens-online-giants-with...

As to why anyone would be interested in Carrier's sex life...well, I suspect someone could make a career in using him as a case study. More seriously - I'm just glad he did not have children and that his poor decisions are not effecting anyone else. Good for him that his fetish averted having child...

The material you provided here does not support these claims. Ridiculous. Anyone who listens to the livestream at that timestamp can hear the claims the youtubers made. And anyone can read your reply-- 1. YOU made it a character issue, by asserting the youtubers lack integrity. 2. You gambled your ...

these people have made themselves a name as conspiracy loons and fake news peddlers You're making a name for yourself, Aneris. .... Apropos of nothing much in particular ... ;-) https://twitter.com/MillennialWoes/status/848627228988649476 https://twitter.com/MillennialWoes/status/848627228988649476...

Service Dog, The situation was this … Jump to 1:54:50 , to hear about Germany's attempts to force YouTubers in Germany to obtain TV broadcasting licenses & conform to TV-broadcast censorship standards, as well mandates on Social Media platforms in Germany to compile quarterly surveillance reports do...

Jump to 1:54:50 , to hear about Germany's attempts to force YouTubers in Germany to obtain TV broadcasting licenses & conform to TV-broadcast censorship standards, as well mandates on Social Media platforms in Germany to compile quarterly surveillance reports documenting all hatespeech on their pla...

Steersman: No shortage of evidence to justify my contention, if you and Aneris would bother to read the facts on the ground, that there is, apparently, no shortage of outright bigotry & hate directed towards Muslims Don't be silly. I know this. But your rhetoric is about the strongest against Musli...

No shortage of evidence to justify my contention, if you and Aneris would bother to read the facts on the ground, that there is, apparently, no shortage of outright bigotry & hate directed towards Muslims Don't be silly. I know this. But your rhetoric is about the strongest against Muslims on this ...

... But Eiynah seems to have elaborated on the theme in her own more recent podcast "The Complexity of Critiquing Islam Under Trump: Distinguishing between liberals & illiberals" . And she has more of the same in her blog post on " Empowering Islamists under Trumpism ". But as suggested by those ti...

Aneris when are you going to pay up? [youtube].https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I0e82V1T-8[/youtube] God forbid that some euro faggots pays what they promised. It was also promised that the NATO would not grow eastwards to the outskirts of Moskow. Someone promised you a bright future, and now you'r...

Very interesting piece of writing on the influence of postmodernism on the humanities: https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/ We see in Lyotard an explicit epistemic relativity (belief in personal or culturally specific t...

Be fair now, to a musician like our Frenchbro having to listen to abba must be a fate worse than death. You joking? Brilliant stuff right there. They had an amazing production, and the writing was near perfect. Please tell me you are joking as no sane none gay person could possibly like abba. :cry:...

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