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Kirbmarc wrote:Clinton isn't more clean than Trump, but she is smart enough to avoid getting in legal trouble. Anyway the "but Clinton!" thing is getting tiresome.
Kirbmarc wrote:…the "whataboutery" is irritatingly out of place. The best argument that Trump supporters seem to have is "he's not Hillary Clinton", which isn't really that much.
It’s really starting to feel like “one weird trick” to distract from any given critique of how the American President is doing at his job.




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Like any competent shell game con they have more than one weird trick to divert attention:
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Yea, not at all like the millions of bucks Clinton accepted ...
Unlike the Trump foundation, that Trump used as a personal slush fund, there is nothing to show the Clinton's personally profiting from their foundation. You really seem to have a lot of red herring jump into your boat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 02556.html
LoL. Thought they were all in the Democrat boat, at least the ones they haven't been strewing thither and yon to hide their own malfeasance. That WSJ article is behind a pay wall, but if you look closely you can see:
It has been 10 days since Democrats received the glorious news that Senate Judiciary Charman Chuck Grassley would require Donald Trump Jr. and Paul Manafort to explain their meeting with Russian operators at Trump Tower last year. The left was salivating at the prospect of watching two Trump insiders being grilled about Russian "collusion" under the klieg lights.

Yet Democrats now have meekly and noiselessly retreated, agreeing to let both men speak to the committe in private. Why would they so suddently be willing to let go of this moment of political oppportunity?
"Why", indeed. While one might argue that the author of that piece, Kimberley Strassel, might be somewhat biased, they still look like reasonable questions, and which suggest some degree of culpability on the part of some Democrats for creating what has all the hallmarks of #FakeNews - being charitable.
free thoughtpolice wrote:Even if there is wrongdoing by the Clintons, so what? That doesn't excuse wrongdoing that may have been committed by the Orangeutan.
I am certainly not at all trying to "excuse wrongdoing" on the part of Trump and company. As I've said several times, I think he's a bit off the wall on a number of points, not least of which is his cluelessness about Islam, and about religion, particularly Christianity, in general. What I rather object to is people breathlessly peddling various accusations against him and his team, many of which look like obfuscation, misdirection, and evasion of responsibility on the part of Democrats - mostly, although many Republicans look equally guilty.

Sure looks like the American government, and society for that matter, is badly broken in many ways - Chomsky did call the U.S. a failed state, although I can't say that I've read that book despite having it on my shelves. But having everybody, more or less, pointing fingers at everybody else doesn't seem likely to be a viable way of correcting that mess:
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And sure, DJT is a bit of a dick in many ways. But y'all should be asking yourselves whether continuing on over the cliff with Clinton and her merry band of crooks, and postmodernist, islamopologist, and transgender nutcases would have been any better - and the Title IX shenanigans, the immigration and "sanctuary" city issues, and not calling a spade a shovel on Islam, suggests it would likely have gotten much worse. DJT busting up a bit of the crockery in the china shop sure seems to be just what the doctor ordered - some evidence that it is precipitating a number of necessary re-assessments, for example:
Dems pivot to offering ObamaCare improvements

House Democrats are poised to advance a flood of proposals designed to address the problems dogging President Obama's signature healthcare law –– a move that puts pressure on Republican and Democratic leaders alike.

The strategy marks a pivot for the Democrats, as party leaders have throughout the year discouraged members from offering improvements to the Affordable Care Act (ACA), fearing they would highlight problems with the law and divert attention from the Republicans’ months-long struggle to repeal and replace it.

But rank-and-file Democrats are getting restless, with some saying they can no longer tell constituents they oppose the Republicans’ repeal bills without offering solutions of their own. ....

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A deluded Trump supporter wrote:
"Why", indeed. While one might argue that the author of that piece, Kimberley Strassel, might be somewhat biased, they still look like reasonable questions, and which suggest some degree of culpability on the part of some Democrats for creating what has all the hallmarks of #FakeNews - being charitable.
Yet that biased against Hillary (Strassel) wrote in her twitter that she believed Clinton had committed no crime, yet the Steersbot that has unfortunately had a defect where it is unable to read complete documents and misunderstand the data within because of some sort of maladaptive software function.
Also continues to divert from the topic because it cannot accept it is mistaken.
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free thoughtpolice wrote:A deluded Trump supporter wrote:
"Why", indeed. While one might argue that the author of that piece, Kimberley Strassel, might be somewhat biased, they still look like reasonable questions, and which suggest some degree of culpability on the part of some Democrats for creating what has all the hallmarks of #FakeNews - being charitable.
LoL. "deluded Trump supporter" - think you need to recalibrate your definition of "supporter".
free thoughtpolice wrote:Yet that biased against Hillary (Strassel) wrote in her twitter that she believed Clinton had committed no crime, yet the Steersbot that has unfortunately had a defect where it is unable to read complete documents and misunderstand the data within because of some sort of maladaptive software function.
What "complete document" are you referring to? The WSJ one? Where did I say anything about Clinton in the comments about that WSJ article? It referred only to "Democrats", and my comment about Clinton was merely to suggest that if she had been elected then she would have just continued the highly "problematic" policies of Obama.
free thoughtpolice wrote:Also continues to divert from the topic because it cannot accept it is mistaken.
Oh, Really? Sure looks like the "Swamp" seriously needs draining:
Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Pakistani IT Scammers

There’s more than bank fraud going on here.

In Washington, it’s never about what they tell you it’s about. So take this to the bank: The case of Imran Awan, Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s mysterious Pakistani IT guy, is not about bank fraud. Yet bank fraud was the stated charge on which Awan was arrested at Dulles Airport this week, just as he was trying to flee the United States for Pakistan, via Qatar. That is the same route taken by Awan’s wife, Hina Alvi, in March, when she suddenly fled the country, with three young daughters she yanked out of school, mega-luggage, and $12,400 in cash. ...


If Trump does nothing more than forcing some rats to abandon ship or to show their true (demented) colours then I think you can chalk that up to a major win for American democracy, a big step in draining the swamp.

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What "complete document" are you referring to?
Strassel's twitter stream where she says she does not that Clinton broke the law if you read far enough.

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does not think that Clin...

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
What "complete document" are you referring to?
Strassel's twitter stream where she says she does not [think] that Clinton broke the law if you read far enough.
Not quite sure why you think I should have checked Strassel's twitter stream. As mentioned, because the WSJ article was behind a paywall, I only read the opening paragraphs which was sufficient to at least suggest that the Democrats - not Clinton - were responsible, at least partly, for that hit job on Trump. Was there something further about Clinton?

The issue wasn't Clinton but, supposedly, Democrats. If you think there was a claim to that effect then you might at least quote whatever would justify your argument instead of expecting me to be a mind reader; you need to "show your work" if you expect a passing grade.

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So you give links that presumably show evidence to bolster your claims yet you don't read them and I'm the one that doesn't get a passing grade?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:So you give links that presumably show evidence to bolster your claims yet you don't read them and I'm the one that doesn't get a passing grade?
You expect me to search the entire Internet for some things that might call into question my argument?

Seems social discourse or Internet discussions are analogous to arguing cases in a court of Law: the Prosecution makes their case, the Defense theirs; not the responsibility of the former to search for every last possible shred of evidence that might exonerate the accused, that's the responsibility of the latter. Although the Prosecution of course has to see if there's a credible case before laying charges.

Likewise with my quote of the WSJ article - it explicitly accuses Democrats - NOT Clinton, at least that I could see - of #FakeNews, at the very least. Absent any evidence - that you studiously refuse to put on the table - that my case about DEMOCRATS is "null and void", I have to conclude your comments about Clinton are just so many red herrings.

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You expect me to search the entire Internet for some things that might call into question my argument?
Just asking that you read the links you post to make sure you have things in context, and not even expecting that.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
You expect me to search the entire Internet for some things that might call into question my argument?
Just asking that you read the links you post to make sure you have things in context, and not even expecting that.
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free thoughtpolice wrote:
You expect me to search the entire Internet for some things that might call into question my argument?
Just asking that you read the links you post to make sure you have things in context, and not even expecting that.
I told you several times that the WSJ article I quoted from was behind a paywall, with all of the text more or less grayed-out. I only managed or bothered to read, with some difficulty, the first paragraph or two, but that seemed sufficient to justify the contention that the DEMOCRATS - NOT Clinton - were guilty of #FakeNews at least.

If you happen to have a subscription and read something - IN THAT ARTICLE - that accuses Clinton then put it on the table. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke out of your arse; your case is dead in the water.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
You expect me to search the entire Internet for some things that might call into question my argument?
Just asking that you read the links you post to make sure you have things in context, and not even expecting that.
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LoL. That IS the reason for TL;DRs, and topic sentences and abstracts and "executive summaries", you know. So one can get the gist of things without having to wade through the details. If you think I've missed an important point then do tell, otherwise one might suggest you're being overly picky at least.

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Here you go Steers. I didn't read it but it probably says good things about Trump's jobs policies.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/20/politics/ ... index.html

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Here you go Steers. I didn't read it but it probably says good things about Trump's jobs policies.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/20/politics/ ... index.html
:lol: At least I quoted a paragraph out of the WSJ article that supports a particular argument; you've got diddly-squat. Apart, apparently, from a serious amount of butthurt ... ;-)

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Although there seems to be a lot of that still going around:
‘Harry Potter’ author J.K. Rowling caught spreading terrible lie about Trump

‘Harry Potter’ author J.K. Rowling went on a long rant from her social media account deriding the president for supposedly snubbing a child in a wheelchair who just wanted to shake his hand. It’s been going around social media, but there’s a problem with it.

It’s a complete lie. ....
Although I'll concede that the portion Rowling tweeted - which has apparently been deleted - supports her contention, but that seems to be only a portion, and a full video clip more or less disproves her claim.

I geddit that many are still seriously bent out of shape about Trump's election. But if they're going to seriously bend or distort the truth then they're just shooting themselves in the feet.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Yea, not at all like the millions of bucks Clinton accepted ...
Unlike the Trump foundation, that Trump used as a personal slush fund, there is nothing to show the Clinton's personally profiting from their foundation. You really seem to have a lot of red herring jump into your boat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 02556.html
Even if there is wrongdoing by the Clintons, so what? That doesn't excuse wrongdoing that may have been committed by the Orangeutan.
I'm pretty sure there's nothing illegal with the Clinton foundation. Clinton is a sharp lawyer after all, she knows how to cover her tracks so that any Pay for Play transaction is done without directly violating any US law.
Bigger they are, the harder they fall. And no one is perfect - Richard Nixon was a lawyer too. In any case, seems the House Judiciary Committee is calling for an investigation of Clinton & or various issues related to the Election and the lead-up to it:

And Mueller doesn't exactly look the poster-boy of rectitude either:

Sure looks like one helluva lot of rot there in Washington, not least within the Democratic Party. #DrainTheSwamp, indeed.
Kirbmarc wrote:Anyway you're right, the "whataboutery" is irritatingly out of place. The best argument that Trump supporters seem to have is "he's not Hillary Clinton", which isn't really that much.
You think that, for starters, the backtracking from: Title IX, sanctuary cities, catch-and-release immigration policies, pandering to transgenderism, deepening the "quagmire" in Syria, refusing to call a spade a shovel about "Islamic terrorism" "isn't really that much"? Though I'll concede the repeal of ObamaCare is a fuck-up, but that seems more on the GoP itself rather than on Trump, and I expect the GoP is likely to feel the "wrath" of the people.

As I've argued recently, there is probably much to fault Trump for. But people making mountains out of molehills and refusing, on the part of the Democrats in particular, to take responsibility for their contributions to the mess is just shooting themselves in feet - and then reloading and repeating. Slow learners that bunch.

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Off topic Steers. You need to post it on the Clinton/deep state thread.

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Scaramucci only lasted one week.

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What's hilarious about it is Scaramucci's wife divorced when he took the job because she hates Trump, plus he left his job, and a week later he's out. :lol:

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free thoughtpolice wrote:What's hilarious about it is Scaramucci's wife divorced when he took the job because she hates Trump, plus he left his job, and a week later he's out. :lol:
On the bright side he's qualified to teach Communications and Family Therapy at Trump University.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:What's hilarious about it is Scaramucci's wife divorced when he took the job because she hates Trump, plus he left his job, and a week later he's out. :lol:
On the bright side he's qualified to teach Communications and Family Therapy at Trump University.
Sung to the tune of "Bohemian Rhapsody"

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CNN is reportinh Scaramucci was "escorted out".

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Off topic Steers. You need to post it on the Clinton/deep state thread.
Which you created after I made that post. Though I might consider copying those stories & comments over there. But you might consider they're relevant if some - not mentioning any names of course - by way of taking a shot at Trump try to whitewash Clinton & the whole "Democratic Machine", or try to elide their responsibility for the mess that Trump and Company more or less have to clean up.

Somewhat apropos of which, and something that I'm sure will warm the cockles of your heart, Andrew Sullivan has a post up (A Week of Reckoning), linked to courtesy of a tweet by Claire Lehmann (of Quillette), that kind of tears a strip off Trump, at least with some justification. Sullivan starts off by discussing "an irrational president in an increasingly post-rational America", follows up by discussing the ACA and "Sugar Cane" "shafting" the GoP & Trump, and then closes with, I think, a more credible perspective on "intersectionality", Dawkins, and Islam (one out of three is not a bad batting average ...):
https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/8 ... 3901031424

And, related thereto, a National Review post:
The Great Conservative Rethink Isn’t Going Away

The Right has shown that it knows how to win elections; now it must figure out how to govern.

At first glance, the great rewrite of our politics seems to be off. The new nationalist wave isn’t crashing on the shores, it’s receding. The globalists are winning again. Emmanuel Macron crushed the Front Nationale. Angela Merkel is going to romp to reelection this fall. And it looks like all the people who put their hopes in Brexit or in Donald Trump are smelling the sulfurous odor of reality now. All the native working-class people, all the dissenting right-leaning intellectuals — their hopes have already been dashed. ....

... If 2016 was your Flight 93 election, make your peace with God now. You got control of the cockpit, but you had no plan for going nose up, the engine is just bursting into flames as you give it more juice on the way to back to Earth. Maybe [Trump] causes a few more libs to lose their minds on social media. Maybe they will become as numb to his provocations as you are becoming. Big whoop. Either way, you blew your one chance.

Or did you?

What if sudden-onset political incompetence is just part of the new era that is breaking upon us all? ....

Ruth Davidson [leader of Scotland’s Conservative and Unionist party] wrote a big political coming-out essay this week. Capitalism needs a reboot, she says. Yes, she gushes with libertarian abandon when talking about the invention of shipping containers. But at the same time, there are lines of thought in her essay that address the same issue and the same problem that May and Trump and all the dissidents on the right have been speaking about for some time.

Capitalism has to be a moral enterprise she says. It has to reach out to the people who felt left behind, for whom social solidarity has been absent. She cites Adam Smith’s contention that capitalism will provide the means for public services and praises “intervention. Market restraints. Decisions made at a macro-level by governments to ensure basic fairness for the little guy.” ....

May and Trump just might fail. But right now it looks like conservative parties and conservative thinkers are likely to continue moving in their direction for a long time to come. We may not have the right answers yet, but the problem set doesn’t look like it is changing any time soon.
Indeed. As Einstein is (mis)quoted as saying, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". And it sure looks like the status quo wasn't, and isn't, working worth a pinch of coon shit. Although I have to admit that I'm all right, Jack - more or less, all things considered, for the moment at least. But "après nous, le déluge" tends not to be a particularly wise policy, and conditions have a tendency to change in a heartbeat, particularly if we are too careless about our choices, and studiously blind to their consequences.

Sure, Trump is a bit of a loose cannon, being charitable, but the "standard operating procedure", the "business as usual" that Clinton would have endorsed, sure looks like it was a recipe for disaster. Not that that is entirely impossible with Trump, but at least he represents an attempt to stop short of the brink instead of pitching headlong over it. Apropos of which, you might read:
Trump Saw A Disturbing Video, Then He Shut Down The CIA's Covert Syria Program

While we've carefully documented the dynamics in play behind Trump's decision to end the CIA's covert Syria program, as well as the corresponding fury this immediately unleashed among the usual hawkish DC policy wonks, new information on what specifically impacted the president's thinking has emerged. ....

Trump pressed his most senior intelligence advisers, asking the basic question of how the CIA could have a relationship with a group that beheads a child and then uploads the video to the internet. He wasn't satisfied with any of the responses ...
I geddit that survival tends to make for strange bedfellows if not for actually endorsing or condoning barbarisms. But do you really think that the country that is supposedly the leader of the "Free World" should be having any truck at all with those psychotic thugs and barbarians, and whose number is apparently legion, particularly throughout the entirety of Islam? That Obama and Clinton and the whole venal "Deep State" and "Military Industrial Complex" endorsing and promoting that isn't manifest evidence of a profound rot that goes to the core of Western "civilization"?

One is tempted to quote the passage in Genesis [18:16-33] about Sodom and Gomorrah and the fifty righteous ....

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Better not threaten us or we will unleash fire and fury. Your head will spin, it will be the best fire and fury ever. Believe me.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Better not threaten us or we will unleash fire and fury. Your head will spin, it will be the best fire and fury ever. Believe me.
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The Meme Wars escalate ... https://twitter.com/thehill/status/895376690930733060

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Steersman wrote:The Meme Wars escalate ... https://twitter.com/thehill/status/895376690930733060
That's actually very funny. Far better than a vagina hat!

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Trump not sure that being called a fascist is a bad thing.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/1 ... aio-241646

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A transcript of Trumps Tuesday press conference where I find myself agreeing with him.... and I am pretty sure this means most people consider me alt-right... so.... yeah....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ct/537042/

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John D wrote:A transcript of Trumps Tuesday press conference where I find myself agreeing with him.... and I am pretty sure this means most people consider me alt-right... so.... yeah....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ct/537042/
There are a lot of real problems with Trump that need attention more than his statements on the riots/ killing. Having said that, he was stupid to have not just kept his mouth shut after his statement on Sunday and moved on. As the master of the tweet, he should know that trying to inject nuance into a media feeding frenzy isn't wise.

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Donald Trump criticizes Amazon for not paying enough tax. Wait a minute! Corporations and wealthy folks not paying taxes is good and smart.
Could it be because Amazon's founder owns WaPo?
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/1 ... ers-241685

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
John D wrote:A transcript of Trumps Tuesday press conference where I find myself agreeing with him.... and I am pretty sure this means most people consider me alt-right... so.... yeah....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ct/537042/
There are a lot of real problems with Trump that need attention more than his statements on the riots/ killing. Having said that, he was stupid to have not just kept his mouth shut after his statement on Sunday and moved on. As the master of the tweet, he should know that trying to inject nuance into a media feeding frenzy isn't wise.
This is the source of at least a third of Trump's problems.

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John D wrote:A transcript of Trumps Tuesday press conference where I find myself agreeing with him.... and I am pretty sure this means most people consider me alt-right... so.... yeah....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ct/537042/
Yea, likewise (surprise, surprise, surprise). Of particular note in that article:
  • The media reacted with hysteria to the notion that counter-protesters showed up with clubs spoiling for a fight, a fact that reporters on the ground have repeatedly stated.
  • Even a New York Times reporter tweeted that she “saw club-wielding "antifa" beating white nationalists being led out of the park.”
And Jerry Coyne had a recent post where mentioned those facts as well: Armed Leftists in Charlottesville. Rather remarkable number of outright thugs inside or on the periphery of antifa; couple of cases in point:

Man Stabbed By Antifa Mob Outside His Home For Not Condemning ‘Nazis’ Hard Enough
Fuckers should get their asses nailed to the wall for assault and attempted murder.

And: https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/ ... 8412938244
https://twitter.com/SteersMann/status/8 ... 9356022784

And in the Faith Goldy video I posted in the main thread the other day you can see some woman trailing along behind her accusing Goldy of being alt-right. Thugs. Pitch-fork and torches mob out on a witch-hunt. More or less reasonable overview by Ben Shapiro at National Review on Antifa; alt-right: twin-cancers eating america

Comment by yours truly thereat:
Generally excellent post, although "antifa" and "alt-right" both cover a spectrum themselves, some elements of which might have some merit. The trick is in separating the wheat from the chaff.

But generally agree about the characterization of a cancer eating away at the body politic. Reminds me of a passage from Martin Gilbert's "Israel" covering the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 [pg 599]:
"If the murder of such a man [Rabin], of a Prime Minister, does not set the very fibres of our national being atremble, if it does not shock us to our very foundations; if we have not vomited out the curse, and uprooted the cancer, and not done away with that group of insane zealots – that badge of dishonour for our people – we are, God forbid, in danger of seeing this nightmare recur. …. The fires of destruction are burning at the edge of the camp. If we do not together, hasten to extinguish them, they will destroy our entire house”
Seems to be far too many "zealots" - being charitable - on both sides, many of whom are all too quick to resort to violence at the least provocation. Too much dogmatic and self-righteous certainty on all sides, too little willingness to actually try to see things from the other side: canons (sic) to the left of us, canons to the right.
Of some related interest, someone there linked to a Breitbart article by Allum Bokhari & Milo Yiannopoulos: An Establishment Conservative's Guide to the Alt-right; seem to recollect that Cathy Young had done an article on that but don't have the link handy. Certainly some justification for arguing, as I think she did, that Milo in particular was too cosy with out-right Nazis and particularly odious white supremacists - engaged in some serious laying of pipes - or simply clueless about who his political bedpartners were. However, that said, sure seems to be some justification for arguing, as Trump suggested, that the alt-right encompasses some who might have some credible arguments or positions. As one might say about social-justice-warriors, and even postmodernists ...

Trick, as ever, is separating the wheat from the frequently poisonous chaff.

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Bannon has been "you're fired".
The timing might have something to do with this article:
http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant

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Even juicier, this could be the real Trump/Russian connection:
http://www.inquisitr.com/4437090/felix- ... us-report/

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Steersman Gorka might be the next one to go:

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Kirbmarc wrote:Steersman Gorka might be the next one to go:
:)
https://twitter.com/majtague/status/898585291879047170

But not sure then in that case who will be raising the alarums about "The Muslim Question" in the White House. Looks like too many there are prepared to play footsy with a rather odious bunch. Which is, maybe arguably, why Bannon is out, though because of a different one.

But somewhat apropos, though it belongs in the Islam & Islamist thread, another great post on that topic from Douglas Murray in The Spectator:

The ‘community leaders’ doing nothing to solve the grooming scandal

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Bannon has been "you're fired".
Over at International Skeptics we are place no-stakes bets on who gets sacked or quits next. Any guesses?

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d4m10n wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Bannon has been "you're fired".
Over at International Skeptics we are place no-stakes bets on who gets sacked or quits next. Any guesses?
Sebastian Gorka. He's already compromised due to a shady past: he apologized for and allied himself with a paramilitary neo-fascist association in Hungary. He got the job of Deputy Assistant to the President thanks to Bannon and Breitbart. Now that Bannon is gone, he's likely to be sacked, too.

Stephen Miller is also likely to either quit or be fired. Again, he has ties to Breitbart and Bannon, so he's probably not seen as an asset by Kelly and Pence. After the neo-nazi late condemnation shitstorm the upper echelons of the Republican Party are trying to sever all their ties with the "alt-right" to avoid being dragged down with them.

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d4m10n wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Bannon has been "you're fired".
Over at International Skeptics we are place no-stakes bets on who gets sacked or quits next. Any guesses?
As Kirbmarc has already said, Gorka is a good bet, also Steven Miller.

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:nin: me on Miller.
After the neo-nazi late condemnation shitstorm the upper echelons of the Republican Party are trying to sever all their ties with the "alt-right" to avoid being dragged down with them.
Also, Kelly and others dislike the anti-establishment government is the enemy crowd so any of that ilk could go.

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Was Carlson joking? Kind of hard to tell. He says so many stupid things that he is apparently serious about.

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They won't be fences! They will be walls you can see through. :dance:

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Shit they misspelled covfefe

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controve ... d=49426093
Good timing donald, just before the hurricane so it gets buried in the hurricane news. In fact, it's the best timing in the world, it makes my head spin. Believe me.

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Looks like the dream of Trump Tower Moscow didn't die back in 2013.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5924628480

From International Skeptics:
[QUOTE=Bob001]Trump was trying to make a giant Moscow hotel deal while he was running for President, and was told it would help him if he praised Putin:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html[/QUOTE]

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Fixed WaPo link

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Michael Reagan, son of Ronald, had an article bitching about Trump in my Sunday paper. The few Republicans who still openly admit to not liking Trump don't mince their words. Reagan pretty much calls him a potential Democrat(ic) plant, claiming he does nothing so much as snipe at his own party's leadership. He also implies that Trump's most ardent followers are so blindly loyal and stupid that if Trump went back to being a Democrat they'd still vote for him.

I gotta say I love this kind of internecine violence far more than the usual liberal attacks on Trump.

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That chubby little turd Kim Jong Un has fired off a bunch of missiles and it is time for Trump to step up the tough talk.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/2 ... est-242048
He should make it clear that Kim is firing off these missiles to compensate for having a really small penis and dare Tiny Kim to drop a missile on Tokyo or Seoul, but he won't cause his balls are microscopic like his penis.

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Trump has been abandoned at the altar by his lover Putin, who now says Trump is not his bride. :cry:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/worl ... trump.html
Trump is completely heartbroken but still insists China pay for the wedding. :rimshot:

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I have heard rumors that Melania is getting some on the side, also have wondered why Trump is so orange.

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Trump's supporters are leaving him now that he has been pwned by the jooz and/or been drugged by the generals to go democrats :drool:

Jim bahai: Check out the potions this mischevious cad is selling.

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