Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Steersman wrote:Rather moot whether the cure will be worse than the disease. But seems rather clear that the American "Ship of State" - and, maybe arguably, the whole world - was headed for the rocks before Trump: desperate times very frequently call for, or bring to the fore, desperate measures.
The ship of state was rotten before, but now it's the freaking Titanic.
:-) There
may be some truth to that ...
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑The solution to structural problems is not to put a corrupt moron who panders to identitarian far-righters in charge.
See "lesser of two evils, principle of" ... That kind of looks like Monday-morning quarterbacking.
Those with their fingers more on the pulse of American politics certainly had some valid objections to Trump before the fact. But the fact was that the choice - on the field, so to speak - was between Clinton and Trump; t'weren't no others on the table. Kind of think that the ship of state was already the Titanic: Trump has already clearly plugged a few of the holes, highlighted some of the systemic rot that led to those holes in the first place, even if he may have added a few others.
But the whole problematic dichotomy between the perspectives of globalism and nationalism looks to have been - may still be - the civilized (?) world's fatal flaw - and the largest whole of the lot in the "Titanic". But Obama Mk. II sure the fuck wasn't doing anything at all to address it. Which Trump is rather clearly doing, if somewhat imperfectly; something else to put on the positive side of his ledger.
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Trump is only useful as a warning about how the US presidency can go badly. Hopefully his fall will wake up people to other problems, in the same way people created laws to prevent fires after people died in a horrific fire-related accident.
Don't think it's particularly wise to be looking forward to "his fall". Particularly without someone in the wings ready to "accentuate" his positive contributions while "eliminating" his negative ones. And I sure don't see any contenders.
Though I'll agree about "fire-related accidents". Even if the Grenfell fire suggests that people are slow learners and periodically need further lessons to refresh their memories. And in the case of Trump, I think the lesson, or
a lesson, is that partisan politics doesn't really help anyone - a situation that is not exactly unique to the US. Kennedy's aphorism springs to mind:
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑What you do is cheer for the fire and argue that those who set it up were actually heroes, because the building was a fire hazard anyway.
"It's an ill-wind that doesn't blow someone some good" ... ;-) Apropos of, even (!!11!!) CFB concedes that DeVos Title IX was a step in the right direction.
So it's less a case of "cheering for the fire", than in cheering for someone finally willing to call a spade a fucken shovel.