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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:23 am  •  [Post 2626]

Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Donate $500 to run the site, and maybe you will have your wish...
Otherwise, it has nothing to do with you.

Since I'm the one who was originally threatened by E, it has - at least marginally - to do with me. Or with Renee and others who are currently being contacted by s/h/it on Twitter.

Now you are sounding more like Orphwellia in panic mode.
Get a grip, man.


Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:25 am  •  [Post 2627]

Atheismplus.
Last 15 days = 38 new subscribers.
How many of those are banned users signing in under new sock accounts?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:25 am  •  [Post 2628]

rayshul wrote:I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".

And it is intended to benefit PARENTS, for fux sake, not just XX chromosome breeders.
It is for Dad's and Grandparent's and Foster carers.
And I despise the OP's Libertarian assertion that if one "decides" to have offspring, one should be rich enough at all times to be able to farm them out to contract carers. Utterly unsympathetic & unrealistic codswallop to apply that condition to other people.
He might well have just have said as an extension: "I don't agree with paying for public pavement so that people in wheelchairs can get to conferences!".
He must be a Septic.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:27 am  •  [Post 2629]

decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

References, please. I don't recall seeing you threatened with legal action by Eucliwoo anywhere, credible or otherwise, although I admit that I may be mistaken.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:28 am  •  [Post 2630]

UnbelieveSteve wrote:Atheismplus.
Last 15 days = 38 new subscribers.
How many of those are banned users signing in under new sock accounts?


Oops. Make that 18 days.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby jjbinx007 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:28 am  •  [Post 2631]

Is this the first confirmed photograph of Mykeru?

http://i.imgur.com/fcc2gI8.jpg
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:30 am  •  [Post 2632]

Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

References, please. I don't recall seeing you threatened with legal action by Eucliwoo anywhere, credible or otherwise, although I admit that I may be mistaken.


S/h/it threatened to trump up accusations and involve the feds. Most people here are familiar with the incident and I can't be arsed to provide you with the link. Thanks for your understanding.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:41 am  •  [Post 2633]

Decius: the Feds are out of your range. Interpol, maybe?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:42 am  •  [Post 2634]

Notung wrote:

1 ) The elevator story is an ordinary event
2 ) If an ordinary event is recounted by a man, you would not question it
3 ) ( 1 2 ) You would not question the elevator story if a man recounted it

4 ) The elevator story was recounted by a woman
5 ) If you question a story recounted by a woman that you would not have questioned
if it was recounted by a man, you are guilty of sexist behaviour
6 ) ( 3 4 5 ) If you question the elevator story, you are guilty of sexist behaviour

7 ) If you legitimately ( ? ) argue against Rebecca Watson saying guys do not do that
then you question the elevator story
8 ) If you are on the other side but do not make rape threats or use slurs then you
legitimately ( ? ) argue against Rebecca Watson saying guys do not do that

C ) ( 6 7 8 ) Those on the other side who do not make rape threats or use slurs
are guilty of sexist behaviour


I think it is unsound - I see no reason to believe premises 2 7 or 8 are true

I think it is unsound - I see no no reason to believe premises 2 3 6 7 8

Prermise 8 is unbelievably flawed because it assumes compartmentalisation

Which is a bit of a problem for Rebecca because I am not as neat as that now
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:43 am  •  [Post 2635]

And by the by, what did you do that was so horrible authorities should be called for?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:49 am  •  [Post 2636]

I'll make that one a short one:

http://lelab.europe1.fr/t/sandrine-maze ... nelle-7274

For you non-privileged people who can't read french, it goes like this:

Mazvetier wants to change the name "école maternelle" because, by refering to mothers, it's a sexist name.

Discuss. (or don't, who cares?)

SJW at work.

And double spacing because it makes it easier to read than Reap's posts!
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:51 am  •  [Post 2637]

decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

References, please. I don't recall seeing you threatened with legal action by Eucliwoo anywhere, credible or otherwise, although I admit that I may be mistaken.

S/h/it threatened to trump up accusations and involve the feds. Most people here are familiar with the incident and I can't be arsed to provide you with the link. Thanks for your understanding.

Well, I checked through most of Eucliwood's posts based on various likely keywords, and can find nothing of the sort.
As you are so FTB unwilling to validate your claim, can another, such a Scented Nectar possibly find it for me, please? Or at least inform me of the keyword(s) that I should search on?
Sorry to be such a skeptic about your claim, but that's the name of the game here, (or at least it was).
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:53 am  •  [Post 2638]

jimthepleb wrote:
Reap wrote:I'm way behind, trying to catch up. Is there anything that gets to jump to the front of the line?
Here's a nice podcast for your trouble
http://www.reapsowradio.com/?p=31348

Eucliwood is the first person banned permanently (i anticipate s/h/it's guest appearance in the next few hours)
2 members of A+ Wind and Kbonn have joined us on the dark side. (we told em to fuck off, they're still here, which is kinda cool)
Mudbrooker from youtube has joined us. (coolest voice on the tubes Reap, sign him up NOW!!)
PZ is a dick (so no change there)
Apparently there has been a little local trouble in the middle-east, over which voices here were raised, then lowered again.
Justin has reached his goal and he WILL go to the ball.
Tentative fingers are stretching across the divide for a reconciliation over the deep rift, nominations for representatives are being sought.....actually screw sending Welch to fuck with 'em....LETS SEND REAP!
Oh and you are a racist, misogynist harasser....so again no change there;)
Apart from that....been quiet.
Now time for my bed 5.30am
Oh and some cunt nicked my avatar.


I'm all for sending Franc personally, no offence Justin but...its the tash mate.... ;)

Plus you said the word Cunt, you racist rapist!! :D

Now fuck off to bed!

Richard Dworkins - I'm not entirely convinced by your post that Justin's actions have hampered his chances at the conference or talking about a cease fire twixt us and the Baboons - seriously, those people will attempt to find ANYTHING to make someone who disagrees with them or does not adhere to the overly hysteric Rules they seem to think are important about. They don't want to actually discuss any of their faults and they want to make it utterly impossible for the person who would go and discuss the subject of what is wrong between the Slymers and the Baboons.

Justin could say - and has been saying - any number of reasonable and non offensive things - they would fucking pillory him no matter what! Any of us could be sent to talk cease fire and we would still be the bastards.

Like Mykeru said, no matter how much time and trouble you go to in order to denounce this lot with evidence based reasoning, the fuckers can spout their bullshit and enough lazy people agree with them

Look at Shermer - I think he is actually quite a calm and reasonable chap - Ophelia would have us believe that he Nazified the Baboons - he went out of his way to show her that, in intricate detail, that actually, no, he hadn't said anything of the sort - "fuck that" say the Baboons, "you evil, racist, rapist misogynist" etc etc etc

They even have the gall to send out idiotic demands that before anything is discussed that we become like them before the discussion is had - what kind of level playing field is that???

Balls to them.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:00 am  •  [Post 2639]

Michael K Gray wrote:Sorry to be such a skeptic about your claim, but that's the name of the game here, (or at least it was).


Still is, as far as I'm concerned. Except when it comes to jews baking muslim wholegrain bread. Or something.

Which reminds me of a crass joke my (very Polish Jew) significant other told me not so long ago:

How do you fit 10 jews in a Volkswagen Beetle?

2 in the front seats, 2 in the back, the rest in the ashtray.


:rimshot:

I am an asshole, aren't I?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:09 am  •  [Post 2640]

The keyword was FBI.

viewtopic.php?p=52513#p52513
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Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:13 am  •  [Post 2641]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
How do you fit 10 jews in a Volkswagen Beetle?
2 in the front seats, 2 in the back, the rest in the ashtray.

Und zey say zat ve Germans have no sense of humour, nein!

(Yeah, yeah:- I know it was told by a Polack. But zat is und alvays was a part of ze FatherLand! 3rd time lucky, eh mein Britisher pals?)
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Dick Strawkins » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:26 am  •  [Post 2642]

Notung wrote:
jimthepleb wrote:Lousy Canuck: Anyone trying to legitimately argue with the thesis of “guys, don’t do that” without attacking in this manner, has likewise been (correctly) called out on sexist behaviour — maybe not behaviour as egregiously or unequivocally sexist as, say, rape threats or slurs, but it is definitely sexist behaviour to question a person relating an ordinary event just because said event was the genesis for a point you disagree with viscerally.

'Guys don't do that' constitutes a thesis? Am I missing something?
Besides which, can anyone else make head or tail of that sentence?


The argument seems to go like this:

1) The elevator story is an ordinary event.
2) If an ordinary event is recounted by a man, you would not question it.
3) (1,2) You would not question the elevator story if a man recounted it.

4) The elevator story was recounted by a woman.
5) If you question a story recounted by a woman that you would not have questioned if it was recounted by a man, you are guilty of sexist behaviour.
6) (3,4,5) If you question the elevator story, you are guilty of sexist behaviour.

7) If you 'legitimately'(?) argue against Rebecca Watson saying 'guys don't do that' then you question the elevator story.
8) If you're on the 'other side' but don't make rape threats or use slurs then you 'legitimately'(?) argue against Rebecca Watson saying 'guys don't do that'.

C) (6,7,8) Those on the 'other side' who don't make rape threats or use slurs are guilty of sexist behaviour.


I think it's unsound - I see no reason to believe premises 2, 7 or 8 are true.



The elevator story, as told by Rebecca, is part of a narrative that involved her:

1. Telling the audience of the conference that she didn't like and didn't want to be propositioned.
and,
2. Repeating the same point about not wanting to be propositioned to the group she was speaking to in the hotel bar.

The problem I have with this is really one of basic skepticism.
First, there is a video available that shows that point number 1 is simply untrue.
She didn't tell the audience that she doesn't want to be propositioned.
So, she is either deliberately lying about this point - or she doesn't have an accurate memory.
In either case this gives me reason to be skeptical about aspects of the remainder of her story.

I don't have any physical evidence that she did complain about getting propositioned to the people in the bar - but what the hell, I'll assume it is a distinct possibility - however I don't see why I should also assume that the guy in question heard her say this. Remember, she claims he was on the edge of the group.
He might not have heard that particular statement, or, alternatively, he might not have thought what he was doing was propositioning her.

In any case, some degree of skepticism (about the sequence of events or the intent of the guy) is deserved.

For the record, if someone did approach her in this way, it does sound creepy, in my opinion.
But it would also sound creepy for a strange woman to approach a man in this way. Or for a strange woman to approach a woman. Or a strange man to approach a man.
It is the action of the individual that is the problem, not the genders of the participants.
I have seen more specific complaints of women making unwanted approaches at conferences towards other attendees (both male and female) than I have of specific incidences of men making unwanted approaches.

To twist the situation into purely one of misogyny - (by which I guess they mean men in general acting in sexist ways towards women in general) denies any element of agency on the part of women themselves and is actually a sexist way of looking at the situation.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:27 am  •  [Post 2643]


Thank you sir.
Eucliwood wrote:decius, ... I'm not kidding about having to be in the presence of FBI workers before. I'm tired of your shit, though, so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it. YOU'RE the only one in any danger of landing in trouble, using honey pot insults against me. That is so old.


And that is your idea of a credible "Threatening Legal Action"?!?!?!
I would larf out out loud if your claim weren't so utterly & truly pathetic. (As well as completely bogus, and just plain wrong!)
I have underlined the only plausible "threat", and it weaker than the playground taunts that I used to get when 7.
"My dad is tougher than your dad" kind of "threat" level.
Where was Eu "threatening" you with legal action in that post?
I'll give you a hint: Nowhere but in your imagination.
The one thing that I can now completely agree with Eucliwood on is her prescient:
Eucliwood wrote:so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it

A+ seems to be rubbing off some of their magic victim phrase-changing pixie-dust on you.

Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Jan Steen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:29 am  •  [Post 2644]

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:31 am  •  [Post 2645]

Michael K Gray wrote:Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!


Really? I think you should read also the previous couple of posts concerning porn and s/h/it being a minor.
You could also checke my complete lack of concern in the posts that followed. If you manage to see through the haze of your spittle, that is.

Incidentally, this is what led to Eucliwood's muzzling and the consensus was that she was threatening to trump up accusation and involve the feds.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]Ghost of EG[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:37 am  •  [Post 2646]

Dick Strawkins wrote:In any case, some degree of skepticism (about the sequence of events or the intent of the guy) is deserved.

For the record, if someone did approach her in this way, it does sound creepy, in my opinion.
But it would also sound creepy for a strange woman to approach a man in this way. Or for a strange woman to approach a woman. Or a strange man to approach a man.
It is the action of the individual that is the problem, not the genders of the participants.
I have seen more specific complaints of women making unwanted approaches at conferences towards other attendees (both male and female) than I have of specific incidences of men making unwanted approaches.

As far as I am concerned, the event NEVER happened, and EGuy is a confabulation.
Reasons?
Her ever-changing and ever more elaborate narratives that utterly conflicted with each other to the point of impossibility, and conflicted with the physical reality of such a short lift-ride to an huge extent.
Now that we learn that she was primed with the fictional narrative the night before by travelling in that very lift to her room ith some male colleagues only adds further (superfluous) weight to that notion.
On top of that, the ethanol-soaked and exhausted mind is very prone to quite ludicrously impossible confabulations that the afflicted can swear black & blue actually occurred.

EG is a confabulated fiction, beyond all reasonable doubt.
To give RW the benefit of the doubt is to be anti-scientific, and anti-forensic.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Jonathan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:40 am  •  [Post 2647]

Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:The keyword was FBI.

viewtopic.php?p=52513#p52513

Thank you sir.
Eucliwood wrote:decius, ... I'm not kidding about having to be in the presence of FBI workers before. I'm tired of your shit, though, so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it. YOU'RE the only one in any danger of landing in trouble, using honey pot insults against me. That is so old.


And that is your idea of a credible "Threatening Legal Action"?!?!?!
I would larf out out loud if your claim weren't so utterly & truly pathetic. (As well as completely bogus, and just plain wrong!)
I have underlined the only plausible "threat", and it weaker than the playground taunts that I used to get when 7.
"My dad is tougher than your dad" kind of "threat" level.
Where was Eu "threatening" you with legal action in that post?
I'll give you a hint: Nowhere but in your imagination.
The one thing that I can now completely agree with Eucliwood on is her prescient:
Eucliwood wrote:so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it

A+ seems to be rubbing off some of their magic victim phrase-changing pixie-dust on you.

Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!


More of the quote can be found here.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]skeptical enquiry[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:52 am  •  [Post 2648]

decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!


Really? I think you should read also the previous couple of posts concerning porn and s/h/it being a minor.
You could also checke my complete lack of concern in the posts that followed. If you manage to see through the haze of your spittle, that is.

Incidentally, this is what led to Eucliwood's muzzling and the consensus was that she was threatening to trump up accusation and involve the feds.

I sought evidence of you being "threatened with legal action" by Eucliwood.
You gave me your best shot.
And failed utterly.
decius wrote:I think you should read also the previous couple of posts concerning porn and s/h/it being a minor.

I did that very thing.
Can still see zero evidence of Eucli "threatening legal action" against you.
Then you handily employ empty ad hominem against me, as though that might might render your bogus claim somehow true:
decius wrote:If you manage to see through the haze of your spittle


Then you move the goalposts:
decius wrote:Incidentally, this is what led to Eucliwood's muzzling and the consensus was that she was threatening to trump up accusation and involve the feds.

"the consensus"? When does unqualified 3rd party anonymous consensus constitute the verdict of "threatening legal action"? (Aprt from FfTB)
As for the "muzzling" of Eucliwood, that is a distinct issue, and unrelated to your claim the she "threatened you with legal action", which is obvious bollox, so why include it? Possibly because you don't have a case, perhaps.

Sheesh! Did you pen the FfTB operating manual?

I'll go away if you just admit the unvarnished naked truth: Eucliwood DID NOT threaten you with legal action.
OK?

Skeptical thinking in action here, folks.
It applies equally to BOTH sides.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:59 am  •  [Post 2649]

MKG, "threatening with legal action" was an example of a usage of to threat that doesn't imply the victim cowing - as you in another of your supreme mind-reading efforts - were ascribing to me.

I was trying to discuss something with LSuoma, following an incident he's well aware of. The incident involved trumped up false accusations, not legal action. You interjected and began to make demands as I were talking to you and to your pedantic and utterly odious Aspberger self. I was not.

Now fuck off, cunt.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Oneiros666 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:07 am  •  [Post 2650]

Michael K Gray wrote:
rayshul wrote:I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".

And it is intended to benefit PARENTS, for fux sake, not just XX chromosome breeders.
It is for Dad's and Grandparent's and Foster carers.
And I despise the OP's Libertarian assertion that if one "decides" to have offspring, one should be rich enough at all times to be able to farm them out to contract carers. Utterly unsympathetic & unrealistic codswallop to apply that condition to other people.
He might well have just have said as an extension: "I don't agree with paying for public pavement so that people in wheelchairs can get to conferences!".
He must be a Septic.


Hahaha. I don't know what a "Septic" is, but I assume it's an oh- so- clever wordplay of "Skeptic"/"septic"(as in sewer).

I didn't state anything about what the fucking State should do regarding having kids (I am in favour of state-sponsored kindergarten, if you want to know). I said what I think conference-organisers should do with the money I pay them for attendance. I think the following:

Awesome speakers and a nice dinner > free child care for poor people

Oh, it's not sympathetic? So fucking what. I didn't tell you to squirt your semen in a woman instead of wearing a condom or have your womb filled with sperm for then to not take the day after pill (or getting a goddamn abortion). That is your goddamn choice and you should live with the consequences. I pay for welfare and other goods through my tax- bill for your kids' various services and that's fine. But when it comes to privately funded arrangements such as cons and seminars; I have no fucking wish to fund your poorly thought out life- choices (i.e. free childcare). They can have child-care, but the ones who make use of that should pay for it themselves.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:19 am  •  [Post 2651]

decius wrote:MKG, "threatening with legal action" was an example of a usage of to threat that doesn't imply the victim cowing - as you in another of your supreme mind-reading efforts - were ascribing to me.

Fuck me with a fish-fork! You are infuriating.
At the very top of this page, you directly addressed ME, correcting your "threatened" with:
decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

How is this "mind-reading" when you explicitly told ME that very phrase?
Christ-on-a-crutch!
decius wrote:I was trying to discuss something with LSuoma, following an incident he's well aware of. The incident involved trumped up false accusations, not legal action. You interjected and began to make demands as I were talking to you and to your pedantic and utterly odious Aspberger self. I was not.
Now fuck off, cunt.

Charming way to behave when you cannot support your assertions.
You explicitly addressed me.
Oh, and how dare I "make demands" that you provide evidence for your public claims, your royal highness!
You are sounding more and more like a Pharyngulite with every response.
decius wrote:utterly odious Aspberger self

If that ad hominem against involuntarily acquired characteristics is all you have by way of defence of your clearly bogus assertions, then you have lost credibility as a skeptic.

Like I said, into the feckin' sack along with PZ, Laden, Watson et alia.
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Postby Richard Dworkins » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:20 am  •  [Post 2652]

Philip of Tealand wrote:
Richard Dworkins - I'm not entirely convinced by your post that Justin's actions have hampered his chances at the conference or talking about a cease fire twixt us and the Baboons - seriously, those people will attempt to find ANYTHING to make someone who disagrees with them or does not adhere to the overly hysteric Rules they seem to think are important about. They don't want to actually discuss any of their faults and they want to make it utterly impossible for the person who would go and discuss the subject of what is wrong between the Slymers and the Baboons.

Justin could say - and has been saying - any number of reasonable and non offensive things - they would fucking pillory him no matter what! Any of us could be sent to talk cease fire and we would still be the bastards.

Like Mykeru said, no matter how much time and trouble you go to in order to denounce this lot with evidence based reasoning, the fuckers can spout their bullshit and enough lazy people agree with them

Look at Shermer - I think he is actually quite a calm and reasonable chap - Ophelia would have us believe that he Nazified the Baboons - he went out of his way to show her that, in intricate detail, that actually, no, he hadn't said anything of the sort - "fuck that" say the Baboons, "you evil, racist, rapist misogynist" etc etc etc

They even have the gall to send out idiotic demands that before anything is discussed that we become like them before the discussion is had - what kind of level playing field is that???

Balls to them.


Hello Philip of Tealand.

To which post of mine are you referring? I have no recollection of ever suggesting any accommodation towards androphobes. In fact I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that they should be given not one iota of respect, they should be thankful that they have made such a fool of themselves to rise to our collective contempt rather than wallow beneath it.

Mind you I was half-cut an evening or two ago, so perhaps I did.
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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:26 am  •  [Post 2653]

MKG, my original post began with "LSuoma, etc". You interjected demanded 500 euros for the privilege of a reply, then questioned my motives, ascribed fear to me and so on, demanded links which I would have provided in the first place HAD I BEEN TALKING TO YOU.

But I wasn't, cunt.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:29 am  •  [Post 2654]

Submariner wrote:
Or just being in the same room as a "device". :whistle:


Frankly, I feel slightly unnerved being on the same planet as a "device".
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Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:33 am  •  [Post 2655]

Cooking beef stew.

Whadya mean, "it's not tweeter"???
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Postby rayshul » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:33 am  •  [Post 2656]

Michael K Gray wrote:
rayshul wrote:I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".

And it is intended to benefit PARENTS, for fux sake, not just XX chromosome breeders.
It is for Dad's and Grandparent's and Foster carers.

Originally, when the subject first came up, I admit it took me a few minutes to parse why free childcare would be a "woman's" issue as most women I know with sproggins are, like me, not the primary caregiver - but that does seem to have been the narrative around it. Women get childcare so they don't have to stay home! Yay! Feminism.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:36 am  •  [Post 2657]

cunt wrote:Hah! There's got to be a tipping point pretty soon where the slymepit has more A+ members than A+ does.

Message to the moderators there. Message to FTB.

3ayloXq_w9Y


If you mean nominal members, we have a way to go. If you mean active members, I think we passed that tipping point some time ago. It's the first number that's confusing the A+ers.
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Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:41 am  •  [Post 2658]

Richard Dworkins wrote:
Philip of Tealand wrote:
Richard Dworkins - I'm not entirely convinced by your post that Justin's actions have hampered his chances at the conference or talking about a cease fire twixt us and the Baboons - seriously, those people will attempt to find ANYTHING to make someone who disagrees with them or does not adhere to the overly hysteric Rules they seem to think are important about. They don't want to actually discuss any of their faults and they want to make it utterly impossible for the person who would go and discuss the subject of what is wrong between the Slymers and the Baboons.

Justin could say - and has been saying - any number of reasonable and non offensive things - they would fucking pillory him no matter what! Any of us could be sent to talk cease fire and we would still be the bastards.

Like Mykeru said, no matter how much time and trouble you go to in order to denounce this lot with evidence based reasoning, the fuckers can spout their bullshit and enough lazy people agree with them

Look at Shermer - I think he is actually quite a calm and reasonable chap - Ophelia would have us believe that he Nazified the Baboons - he went out of his way to show her that, in intricate detail, that actually, no, he hadn't said anything of the sort - "fuck that" say the Baboons, "you evil, racist, rapist misogynist" etc etc etc

They even have the gall to send out idiotic demands that before anything is discussed that we become like them before the discussion is had - what kind of level playing field is that???

Balls to them.


Hello Philip of Tealand.

To which post of mine are you referring? I have no recollection of ever suggesting any accommodation towards androphobes. In fact I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that they should be given not one iota of respect, they should be thankful that they have made such a fool of themselves to rise to our collective contempt rather than wallow beneath it.

Mind you I was half-cut an evening or two ago, so perhaps I did.
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Postby Notung » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:42 am  •  [Post 2659]

Dick Strawkins wrote:The problem I have with this is really one of basic skepticism.


Yep, my point was really to say that it's not necessarily that someone doubts the elevator story that they might disagree with 'guys don't do that'. They may just disagree with the moral pronouncement that followed it (i.e. 'guys don't do that' itself).

They may not even disagree with that. For instance, their reason for being on 'this side' of elevatorgate might be the ad hominems against McGraw or Dawkins.

Or perhaps they're fine with that but not ok with things that happened later - like libelling monopod camera man, etc, or just the fact that anyone who disagrees is portrayed as some sort of MRA terrorist.

So really what I'm saying is that Lousy Canuck's argument doesn't get off the ground!
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Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:42 am  •  [Post 2660]

Oh arse!

viewtopic.php?p=57853#p57853

Sorry Richard, I do that again, with proper links!!

Forgive me if I got the wrong end of the stick! :D
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Postby BarnOwl » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:47 am  •  [Post 2661]

Oneiros666 wrote:Hahaha. I don't know what a "Septic" is, but I assume it's an oh- so- clever wordplay of "Skeptic"/"septic"(as in sewer).

I didn't state anything about what the fucking State should do regarding having kids (I am in favour of state-sponsored kindergarten, if you want to know). I said what I think conference-organisers should do with the money I pay them for attendance. I think the following:

Awesome speakers and a nice dinner > free child care for poor people

Oh, it's not sympathetic? So fucking what. I didn't tell you to squirt your semen in a woman instead of wearing a condom or have your womb filled with sperm for then to not take the day after pill (or getting a goddamn abortion). That is your goddamn choice and you should live with the consequences. I pay for welfare and other goods through my tax- bill for your kids' various services and that's fine. But when it comes to privately funded arrangements such as cons and seminars; I have no fucking wish to fund your poorly thought out life- choices (i.e. free childcare). They can have child-care, but the ones who make use of that should pay for it themselves.


Septic = American, in rhyming slang. Septic tank = Yank = USAian.

IIRC you're Norwegian? Don't think there's rhyming slang for Norwegians ... those of your nationality have to earn the ire, disdain, and/or prejudice of the English, to achieve rhyming slang "status."

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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:49 am  •  [Post 2662]

Michael K Gray wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:I'm a little suspicious of "accomodationist" style moves to patch everything up, in part because the first thing under the bus is "extremists", but more because you can't decide between two moral/ethical/subjective/value laden/policy positions on the basis of evidence and reasoned debate (Hume was right).

Their are two main approaches,
1) The accomodationist one, for which the outcome reigns supreme, even at the expense of honesty & truth.
2) The absolutist one, for which the truth reigns supreme, irrespective of any short-term damage to fee-fees.

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp.


Me too.

In case it isn't clear, that "litle suspicious" was irony, not transient Steersmania.
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Postby Richard Dworkins » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:50 am  •  [Post 2663]

Ah I see you've confused me with the tameless Dick Strawkins.

Wrong stick entirely I'm afraid. No forgiveness necessary.
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Postby Mykeru » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:00 am  •  [Post 2664]

justinvacula wrote:The fundraiser launched to help send me to the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference has reached its goal thanks to 24 generous donors who, in total, contributed $1500 with 28 days remaining for the project!

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013 ... -goal-met/

Thanks to all of those whom Stephanie Zvan apparently wants me to renounce...helping to send the 'wrong man' to the Women in Secularism 2 conference can surely now be added to list of horrible things about this community/forum.


Now, remember my prediction here.

Everyone knew that Melody Hensley, et. al. would put out feelers to determine the best way to block your attendance, even thought it would be the stupidest thing they could do. They just can't help being petty.

Now that you have met your goal, they will still block your attendance but in a way to

1. Maximize drama, playing victim and working the threat narrative.

2. Block you at the door, metaphorically if not literally (see #1). This will also serve to waste your time and cause you to expend funds. The goal, being petty, would not be served by turning you away before you left. This way you get all the time, trouble, expense, the TSA anal search, bad airplane food, lost luggage, a big freaking hole in your wallet and get turned away regardless.

Place your bets.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:06 am  •  [Post 2665]

nippletwister wrote:
I really and truly want to see skepticism applied to everything that idiots like Adam Lee and the FTB crowd accept as gospel. I would pay money to see an honest, well-prepped debate on the testable claims made by feminist theorists. I would love to see empirical research on feminist theories of gendered violence and gender issues. I would love to see large, well-designed, nationwide polls on what most women REALLY think about gender equality and discrimination. I would love to see a thorough examination of the sexism problem in the macrocosm of secular societies, and the microcosm of skeptic conferences.

Unfortunately, I know that not one of these dishonest douchebags has any desire to see these things happen. Because if you're not a professional victim looking for offense everywhere, or drumming up drama by making dubious accusations, the personal day-to-day experience of most people puts the lie to all this horseshit pretty quickly. You have to literally deny the evidence of your own life to buy into it.


That's the thing. You could take those conditions of Adam Lee's and, with small changes to the wording (or, in some places, no changes at all) and accept them. The FTBs would be horrified at the result. Applying the demands to "people" instead of just "women" and taking the demand for "talks that apply skepticism to entrenched powr differences in society that disproportionally harm [people]", they'd be aghast to see their claims exposed to it as well. But, of course, that's not possible, because their claims are always right and the kinds of arguents you can use are restricted to the ones they allow and even attempting to use one of those makes you a Bad Person and therefore wrong.

Why do FtBers not see people as people?
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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:06 am  •  [Post 2666]

Mykeru, forgive me, I didn't fully understand how your file problem unfolded, but I think I have an inkling of what might have occurred.

Video editor files normally come in two flavours - one with embedded footage, the other as a container for external footage which is merely referenced and not saved as an internal copy. This second type helps to save on storage, but if any of the external material gets edited, the container files are affected as well.

I hope this helps.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:16 am  •  [Post 2667]

AbsurdWalls wrote:Can I suggest my preferred debate topic again?

Q. Are women and minorities under-represented in the atheism/skepticism movement? If so, is this a problem? If so, what should be done about it?


A. Dunno, but yes. Yes. Overthrow patriarchy. Next?
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Postby Submariner » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:17 am  •  [Post 2668]

For the high crime of saying “guys, don’t do that” in reference to some predatory behaviour she experienced, Rebecca Watson was subjected to insane and disproportionate volumes of harassment, trolling, attacks, and vitriol.


Correct me if I'm wrong but no one but Steph McGraw, (and maybe a few other women) said anything about the Elevator incident until after calling out of McGraw by Watson in front of a crowd from the podium. Reading the Phawrongula timeline seems to suggest that had Watson not called out McGraw, the entire incident would have been a total snooze fest.
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Postby JackSkeptic » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:21 am  •  [Post 2669]

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
nippletwister wrote:
I really and truly want to see skepticism applied to everything that idiots like Adam Lee and the FTB crowd accept as gospel. I would pay money to see an honest, well-prepped debate on the testable claims made by feminist theorists. I would love to see empirical research on feminist theories of gendered violence and gender issues. I would love to see large, well-designed, nationwide polls on what most women REALLY think about gender equality and discrimination. I would love to see a thorough examination of the sexism problem in the macrocosm of secular societies, and the microcosm of skeptic conferences.

Unfortunately, I know that not one of these dishonest douchebags has any desire to see these things happen. Because if you're not a professional victim looking for offense everywhere, or drumming up drama by making dubious accusations, the personal day-to-day experience of most people puts the lie to all this horseshit pretty quickly. You have to literally deny the evidence of your own life to buy into it.


That's the thing. You could take those conditions of Adam Lee's and, with small changes to the wording (or, in some places, no changes at all) and accept them. The FTBs would be horrified at the result. Applying the demands to "people" instead of just "women" and taking the demand for "talks that apply skepticism to entrenched powr differences in society that disproportionally harm [people]", they'd be aghast to see their claims exposed to it as well. But, of course, that's not possible, because their claims are always right and the kinds of arguents you can use are restricted to the ones they allow and even attempting to use one of those makes you a Bad Person and therefore wrong.

Why do FtBers not see people as people?


When they object you could simply point out ' the radical idea that all women are people' and you're surprised at their rejection of that.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:26 am  •  [Post 2670]

Submariner wrote:What about a theistic moderator. Someone with no dog in the hunt. I don't mean VenomfangX or shackofghawd, but one of the semi-intelligent ones.


No one's coming to mind just now, but I'm sure I can find one.....


Just being a theist doesn't necessarily mean they don't "have a dog in the hunt". If they have any interest in seeing discontent amongst the enemy, it might not make them exactly an honest broker. If the boot was on the other foot and I was asked to adjudicate a theist schism debate, I'd make sure I had some fun at their expense if possible. But then, I'm an arsehole.
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Postby Karmakin » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:34 am  •  [Post 2671]

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
nippletwister wrote:
I really and truly want to see skepticism applied to everything that idiots like Adam Lee and the FTB crowd accept as gospel. I would pay money to see an honest, well-prepped debate on the testable claims made by feminist theorists. I would love to see empirical research on feminist theories of gendered violence and gender issues. I would love to see large, well-designed, nationwide polls on what most women REALLY think about gender equality and discrimination. I would love to see a thorough examination of the sexism problem in the macrocosm of secular societies, and the microcosm of skeptic conferences.

Unfortunately, I know that not one of these dishonest douchebags has any desire to see these things happen. Because if you're not a professional victim looking for offense everywhere, or drumming up drama by making dubious accusations, the personal day-to-day experience of most people puts the lie to all this horseshit pretty quickly. You have to literally deny the evidence of your own life to buy into it.


That's the thing. You could take those conditions of Adam Lee's and, with small changes to the wording (or, in some places, no changes at all) and accept them. The FTBs would be horrified at the result. Applying the demands to "people" instead of just "women" and taking the demand for "talks that apply skepticism to entrenched powr differences in society that disproportionally harm [people]", they'd be aghast to see their claims exposed to it as well. But, of course, that's not possible, because their claims are always right and the kinds of arguents you can use are restricted to the ones they allow and even attempting to use one of those makes you a Bad Person and therefore wrong.

Why do FtBers not see people as people?


Myself, I've come up with a term for that (I tend to do that in order to keep concepts straight in my head). Political Objectification. This is when you don't see people as people, but you see them as all the little sub-group boxes that Mean Something. So for example, someone's political status/power as a woman, and what her actions mean in terms of women everywhere is more important than her own personal desires/wants/needs/situation. Everybody is representative of all the boxes that they are grouped in, for good or for ill.

Needless to say, this is why SJW's tend to constantly make remarks that are blatantly sexist/racist/etc. without realizing it.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:50 am  •  [Post 2672]

BannedAid wrote:

The "heal the rift" talk is nonsense, but a debate would be productive, imo. We'd crush them, and everyone could finally move on. Not sure how much ground Barbara Drescher really shares with the slymepit, but if she would agree to debate any of the propositions, she would be my first choice. Realistically, though, the best we can hope for is convincing a few pharyngulites/a+ers to leave the herd for a bit for some commenter-on-commenter action. I don't think anything formal needs to be set up. Don't know if this could be done, but open up a moderated thread, find some poor schmuck willing to sit around a few hours a day and delete personal attacks from both sides, and listen to the serene music of the crickets while we wait for one of them to be willing to debate.



Healing the rift is nonsense. Taking out the rubbish is closer to the task required. But if you go into a debate on their topics, and try to play by the Good Skeptics rule book, you will be taking a nail file to a gun fight. I appreciate Damion's attempt to set up the right conditions which, in theory, might shed more light than heat, but the reality won't be like that. The two "sides" (ugh, and that's giving them more dignity than they deserve) speak mutually incomprehensible languages, and you have to hope that enough of the "uncommitted" audience speaks the right dialect to make the exerise worth while.

But the debate won't be the end of it. After it comes all the spinning - even if "we" (and what's this "we" white man?) did "crush" them, they'd simultaneously claim victory, claim they wuz robbed, claim the fix was in because patriarchy but they really won anyway, etc etc. Watch them do a "Nedra Pickler" and come up with a thousand things "we" failed to mention, or failed to deny, even though they were never talked about at all. Thrill as they describe the oppression they were put under as they were denied their right to talk about the really important things and had to stick to some stupid male rules about debating. And so on.

Maybe we can rely on the judgement of the uncommitted skeptical audience, though the signs aren't all good about that. But we can certainly rely on the tsunami of lying, propaganda bullshit that will spew from the FTB/A+/Skepshit Axis of Weavils.
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Postby Cunning Punt » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:57 am  •  [Post 2673]

Submariner wrote:
justinvacula wrote:The fundraiser launched to help send me to the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference has reached its goal thanks to 24 generous donors who, in total, contributed $1500 with 28 days remaining for the project!

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013 ... -goal-met/

Thanks to all of those whom Stephanie Zvan apparently wants me to renounce...helping to send the 'wrong man' to the Women in Secularism 2 conference can surely now be added to list of horrible things about this community/forum.



Justin , I'm sure I speak for many here who just want to say to you....

either grow that thing out or shave it the fuck off. Seriously, my 17 yr old daughter has a better moustache.

Oh and congrats and all that. Fuck off.


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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:06 am  •  [Post 2674]

robr wrote:
sacha wrote:
Git wrote:
Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.



not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.



Git is correct. Mark Chu-Carroll wrote about this on his blog Good Math, Bad Math a couple of years back. There's even a wikipedia entry for it, here.

*shrug* Thought it was common knowledge.


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There's Jewish "Atheists" (and Jewish Buddhists - JuBu's - and Jews forJesus too). But Chu-Carroll's argument didn't rely on them being "ethnic" Jews, just good practising Jews who happened to not have faith in a god. So even a convert could be a Jewish Atheist without any "ethnic" ties to the Jewish population at all. (Cue much batshittery about the Khazars).
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:14 am  •  [Post 2675]

TheMudbrooker wrote:
:hankey:
Well at least the trip wasn't a total waste, thanks :)


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Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:15 am  •  [Post 2676]

Assuming the translation is true. Yeah i know, ASS-ume.
"Egyptian President Morsi Joins Preacher in Prayer for Destruction of the Jews"
Did anyone slap the preacher upside the head? Morsi? Anyone? Oh right. Infidels.
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Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:17 am  •  [Post 2677]

Richard Dworkins wrote:Ah I see you've confused me with the tameless Dick Strawkins.

Wrong stick entirely I'm afraid. No forgiveness necessary.


I would like to hand in my membership to the Slyme Pit effective immediately

I am obviously too thick to continue, I have obviously been reading about the Baboons for too long and it has taken it's toll

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Postby acathode » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:18 am  •  [Post 2678]

Karmakin wrote:Myself, I've come up with a term for that (I tend to do that in order to keep concepts straight in my head). Political Objectification. This is when you don't see people as people, but you see them as all the little sub-group boxes that Mean Something. So for example, someone's political status/power as a woman, and what her actions mean in terms of women everywhere is more important than her own personal desires/wants/needs/situation. Everybody is representative of all the boxes that they are grouped in, for good or for ill.

Needless to say, this is why SJW's tend to constantly make remarks that are blatantly sexist/racist/etc. without realizing it.
I remember seeing a commenter sum this up pretty neatly on a video about Jen McCreight and her racism (when she suggested that we start talking more about drug laws and incarceration rates to appeal to the minorities):
BladedPen wrote:In other words: She approaches this in a manner as if they've got to convert "these minorities" with incentives, treating them as cattle rather than equals who are fully capable of coming to their own conclusions and deciding for themselves and this definitely upsets me.

Frankly, being completely honest and serious, and not even slightly hyperbolic, when it comes to racism and sexism in the atheism/skeptic community or movement, the clear winners are the FTB/A+/SC/SJW* crowd.

Even if you hypothetically would grant them that certain words are sexists, what's worse? Someone using sexist language while he or she still firmly believe and acts as if everyone are equals, or using completely PC language while having the firm belief that women aren't full adults and therefore cannot take responsibility for their own actions the same way adult men can, and that they aren't strong enough to deal with the real world, instead they need extra protection and pampering.

*What would you actually call these people btw? I've used FTBer often, but I know it's not really fair to a lot of FTB bloggers who aren't involved in all of this drama. FC(n) is good for certain purposes, but it only points to 5-6 bloggers, and doesn't really cover people like Watson, Adam Lee, and the myriad of rabid commentators who all drank the koolaid.
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Postby TheMan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:21 am  •  [Post 2679]

decius wrote:Mykeru, forgive me, I didn't fully understand how your file problem unfolded, but I think I have an inkling of what might have occurred.

Video editor files normally come in two flavours - one with embedded footage, the other as a container for external footage which is merely referenced and not saved as an internal copy. This second type helps to save on storage, but if any of the external material gets edited, the container files are affected as well.

I hope this helps.


I don't recall what software Mykeru said he was using...if it's modern enough he's using a non-destructive type of non-linear editor. (Corel Video studio, Premier Pro, Magix Video editor etc).

During work the project file is saved and these files are small...these are not video files but Edit Decision List (EDL) files. Usually text files the program understands. They tend to say something like .....

Video~ C:/ user/mykeru/videofiles/xfxgs.mp4, cut 00.01.23.12 to 00.01.30.18 Timeline at 00.00.00.00.

Every cut decision is listed so the more complex the project the bigger the file. The cuts refer to the original video which is basically un-touched (non destructive).

Once a linked video file in a project is moved, or worse an entire folder is moved containing video used in a project it renders the EDL useless. BUT! most good programs alert you that the video file location doesn't exist and gives you an opportunity to re`link. If this opportunity doesn't happen you can kiss that project goodbye and you'll have to start again.

That's how it normally works.

My description could also be totally unrelated to Mykeru's problem but educational anyways....
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Postby Oneiros666 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:32 am  •  [Post 2680]

BarnOwl wrote:
Septic = American, in rhyming slang. Septic tank = Yank = USAian.

IIRC you're Norwegian? Don't think there's rhyming slang for Norwegians ... those of your nationality have to earn the ire, disdain, and/or prejudice of the English, to achieve rhyming slang "status."

<--- Septic


Aha. How clever of the limey bastards ;-)

Yes, I am a proud Norwegian. Viking power and death to the Swedes and all that :mrgreen:

A 1000 years ago the main pasttime of Norwegian vikings was to rape and pillage the English and the Scots. Where were the Rebecca Twatsons then, eh?
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Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:36 am  •  [Post 2681]

Dick Strawkins wrote:The elevator story, as told by Rebecca, is part of a narrative that involved her:

1. Telling the audience of the conference that she didn't like and didn't want to be propositioned.
and,
2. Repeating the same point about not wanting to be propositioned to the group she was speaking to in the hotel bar.

The problem I have with this is really one of basic skepticism.
First, there is a video available that shows that point number 1 is simply untrue.
She didn't tell the audience that she doesn't want to be propositioned.
So, she is either deliberately lying about this point - or she doesn't have an accurate memory.
In either case this gives me reason to be skeptical about aspects of the remainder of her story.

I don't have any physical evidence that she did complain about getting propositioned to the people in the bar - but what the hell, I'll assume it is a distinct possibility - however I don't see why I should also assume that the guy in question heard her say this. Remember, she claims he was on the edge of the group.
He might not have heard that particular statement, or, alternatively, he might not have thought what he was doing was propositioning her.

In any case, some degree of skepticism (about the sequence of events or the intent of the guy) is deserved.

For the record, if someone did approach her in this way, it does sound creepy, in my opinion.
But it would also sound creepy for a strange woman to approach a man in this way. Or for a strange woman to approach a woman. Or a strange man to approach a man.
It is the action of the individual that is the problem, not the genders of the participants.
I have seen more specific complaints of women making unwanted approaches at conferences towards other attendees (both male and female) than I have of specific incidences of men making unwanted approaches.

To twist the situation into purely one of misogyny - (by which I guess they mean men in general acting in sexist ways towards women in general) denies any element of agency on the part of women themselves and is actually a sexist way of looking at the situation.


I couldn't figure out how she knew for certain that ElevatorGuy knew, understood, listened or was even present when she complained about being creeped out about being propositioned.
She's yet to come forward to say that EGuy WAS present when she spoke of it.
Did she recognize him from the bar? Prosopagnosia anyone?
Maybe he wasn't famous enough for her like DPRJones. Fuck knows. Fucked if i care. It's a stupid story which she will be remembered for rather than her work in the Bowel Movement of Pseudo-Feminism-Atheism-Victimism-Fuck-I'm-Famousism.
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Postby BarnOwl » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:37 am  •  [Post 2682]

Privileged sister-punisher that I am, I'm having a covered patio added to the back of my house. Before construction can begin, I must have approval from the homeowners' association (HOA). HOA management is a form of intrusive fuckwittery that is unfortunately quite prevalent within the city limits here, whereby responsible homeowners are punished with restrictions and requirements such as:

1. A drawing/picture of what the finished project is going to look like.

2. The dimensions of the patio extension.

3. The dimensions of the patio cover.

4. Color samples the patio cover will be painted.

5. Sample picture of the flag stone that will be used (color).


For the moment I'll ignore the fact that, for the last few months, a backyard across the boulevard from mine has maintained a readily visible, rickety framework of crappy wooden boards and blue plastic tarps, uncannily similar to those used by a serial sex offender to hide Jaycee Dugard and her children from neighbors and parole officers. I'll just answer the questions thusly:

1. Image

2. As big as your fat arse.

3. As big as the boxer shorts required to cover your fat arse.

4. Fuckyouverymuch blaze orange.

5. Pinche-pendejo fluorescent green.

P.S. Where do I apply for a permit to speed up and down the boulevard in a shitty lift kit noisy-arse Dodge Ram wankmobile? Several of my neighbors seem to have acquired such a permit, and I'd like to try too.
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Postby jimthepleb » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:41 am  •  [Post 2683]

surreptitious57 wrote:
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surreptitious57 wrote:
The thing about their aggression is that you are expected to know what the site is all about before you start posting. You have the pack and are expected to read it so if you do not they get angry because it makes them tired having to explain it all now

Oh the precious little flowers. ( Spit )
Have you noticed us doing that here ?
Why don not we get all aggro when newbies make legitimate enquiries ?
Why do you give these insane creepy frighteningly aggressive anonymous
retards so much as the time of day let alone make continuous excuses for their truly shabby behaviour ?

I have severe restrictions on what I can and can not say. You might find that hard to believe but it is the truth now. There is nothing I can do about it either and I am not allowed to discuss it on this site but I can tell you that I have a life time ban however. Beyond that I cannot say. So anyone reading this had better not ask me anything about it because you shall get nothing from me so best to just let it go

In which case it would behove you to shut the fuck up.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:42 am  •  [Post 2684]

acathode wrote:

*What would you actually call these people btw? I've used FTBer often, but I know it's not really fair to a lot of FTB bloggers who aren't involved in all of this drama. FC(n) is good for certain purposes, but it only points to 5-6 bloggers, and doesn't really cover people like Watson, Adam Lee, and the myriad of rabid commentators who all drank the koolaid.


I think it is about time we updated the FCetc notation to cover the exact people we are talking about. Maybe even compile a list, though that gets a bit tedious. Maybe it's time to resurrect the "Chyme Pit"? But I'm sure we could do better for a collective term.
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Postby Karmakin » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:47 am  •  [Post 2685]

acathode wrote:*What would you actually call these people btw? I've used FTBer often, but I know it's not really fair to a lot of FTB bloggers who aren't involved in all of this drama. FC(n) is good for certain purposes, but it only points to 5-6 bloggers, and doesn't really cover people like Watson, Adam Lee, and the myriad of rabid commentators who all drank the koolaid.


There's a reason I use SJW to describe these things. It's not even that not all FTB bloggers are involved in the controversy, it's exactly the opposite, it's that this controversy is one battlefield in a much larger conflict. You can see the same conflicts going on in some of the big community-based social media sites such as Reddit or Tumblr.

It's the same ideology. Not exactly the same flavor of said ideology...there are some memes that haven't made its way into the SJW/Skeptic community yet (give it time)...but it's close enough, and you can see all the commonalities.

I really do think the best way to combat this toxicity (and I do think it's toxic, even when they have a decent point or two), is through promoting the point that it's not a conflict between anti-sexism/racism and pro-sexism/racism people, it's a conflict between two competing belief structures on what sexism/racism/etc. entails and how best to combat it in our society. It's why, as I and other people have mentioned, I think there's less sexism/racism (even of the misogynistic kind) in this thread than there generally is in SJW places. Now, maybe I'm wrong on that. But that's something we can have a discussion over, we just need to start with the point that pretty much everybody is interested in equality in some form or fashion (at the very least, I think we're all in favor of equality of opportunity), and we just have different paths to the same goal, and sometimes, we do think that some paths are better than others.

But the SJW/Egalitarian conflict, in the short term, is just going to ramp up. I do see, among all venues, that quite frankly, the SJW's are losing, and that's a big part of it. 2013 is going to be a SJW freakout as they continue to lose power.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:50 am  •  [Post 2686]

BarnOwl wrote:Privileged sister-punisher that I am, I'm having a covered patio added to the back of my house. Before construction can begin, I must have approval from the homeowners' association (HOA). HOA management is a form of intrusive fuckwittery that is unfortunately quite prevalent within the city limits here, whereby responsible homeowners are punished with restrictions and requirements such as:

1. A drawing/picture of what the finished project is going to look like.

2. The dimensions of the patio extension.

3. The dimensions of the patio cover.

4. Color samples the patio cover will be painted.

5. Sample picture of the flag stone that will be used (color).


For the moment I'll ignore the fact that, for the last few months, a backyard across the boulevard from mine has maintained a readily visible, rickety framework of crappy wooden boards and blue plastic tarps, uncannily similar to those used by a serial sex offender to hide Jaycee Dugard and her children from neighbors and parole officers. I'll just answer the questions thusly:

1. Image

2. As big as your fat arse.

3. As big as the boxer shorts required to cover your fat arse.

4. Fuckyouverymuch blaze orange.

5. Pinche-pendejo fluorescent green.

P.S. Where do I apply for a permit to speed up and down the boulevard in a shitty lift kit noisy-arse Dodge Ram wankmobile? Several of my neighbors seem to have acquired such a permit, and I'd like to try too.


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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:53 am  •  [Post 2687]

BarnOwl wrote:Privileged sister-punisher that I am, I'm having a covered patio added to the back of my house. Before construction can begin, I must have approval from the homeowners' association (HOA). HOA management is a form of intrusive fuckwittery that is unfortunately quite prevalent within the city limits here, whereby responsible homeowners are punished with restrictions and requirements such as:

1. A drawing/picture of what the finished project is going to look like.

2. The dimensions of the patio extension.

3. The dimensions of the patio cover.

4. Color samples the patio cover will be painted.

5. Sample picture of the flag stone that will be used (color).


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Consider a 3d rendering superimposed on a picture or photoshopping.
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Postby RichardReed84 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:58 am  •  [Post 2688]

Does anyone else rue the invention of the term "blogger"? Especially now it's used an excuse for someone to speak at a conference? http://richardreed84.wordpress.com/2013 ... e-to-fame/
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Postby SkepticalCat » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:00 am  •  [Post 2689]

TheMan wrote:did I miss something?

Where is Rystefn? I miss his ugly nog.


Maybe he found a butterfly painted on his driveway and is choosing to lay low. :lol:
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Postby jimthepleb » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:03 am  •  [Post 2690]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
TheMan wrote:did I miss something?

Where is Rystefn? I miss his ugly nog.


He's having health issues at the moment.

send him my best, and a 'get well soon y'old cunt'
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