Periodic Table of Swearing

[Gumby]

Hello again new peeps.

And I think I can't be the only one to notice all the wimmin joining? ( :p )

Maybe because here they are treated as y'know people and not as perceptual victims?

Oh and new people (of all genders and none), please can we have more cat avatars?

The thing is that all the wimmin here are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I learn that from the Lousy C. during MalloryGate (cause, a man telling a woman about her own experiences is offensive; unless you are one of the FC5 wise men).

Actually all the women here are Chill Girls, who post here because they desperately seek attention and approval from men. Get it right! :)

[acathode]

Anyway, I am also somewhat astonished that Al leaves pretty quietly, no great big scene, and PZ sends him off by calling him a racist.

He did what?

The fuck, he actually did.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 12/for-al/

The comment section is hilarious, in a few posts it descends down the rabbit hole when they discuss how everyone who wears a fedora-hat are misogynistic douche-bags.
I also like this part:

Khantron: From my understanding Al whined that people kept telling him to apologize for his sex and his race (without providing any examples of this actually happening) so he’s leaving FTB so he will no longer be victimized by feminists.

[...] I hesitate to say “everyone who wears a fedora is a complete douchebag.” I’m sure someone could find a counter example, if they looked hard enough. [...]

Just saying. I know in person 5 people who regularly wear fedoras. Like all the time. All are white males. They are all varying degrees of misogynist. 3 of them are Ron Paul supporters. [...]

Awfully nice of him to provide an example in the same very thread... also try replacing "fedora" with "big skirts", "white males" with "gypsie women", and "misogynist" with "thieves", karpad TOTALY wouldn't sound like a racist

And not just in Sweden either my man.

Hey! I thought we had that discussion already! :p

This is a small conference that happens in Orange County, California every year. The person who started it and works hard to put it together was very excited to get PZ Myers and Greta Christina as speakers in 2013. (I don't think he follows all the drama)
http://freethoughtalliance.org/fta/annu ... /speakers/

He just added Matt Dillahunty today.
I wonder how this will work out? This is a small conference, so not as easy to avoid people.

Nothing will happen, Matt is still bffs with Myers and Greta, his beef is with the A+ mods, he still completely support A+ and what it stands for, etc. He's just not into the A+ forum.

[codelette]

My favorite descriptor is "sister punisher". I believe the first time I read it was from Melody Hensley and I really wish she'll tell that to a black woman from the hood. face to face.

Popcorn worthy situation. :lol:

[JackRayner]

Stephie Zvan just puts fingers to keyboard and vomit flies out: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... -activism/

*Everything* put out on their forum and what they spout on Twitter regarding A+theism is nothing but feminism. Does Zvan even use that raisin-excuse for a brain?

I read the title and was like "naw, motherfucker didn't go there...". Then I read this:

It took me a while, but I finally figured out what was so familiar about it. It’s the one-drop rule rewritten for our situation.

This white bitch is really conflating her middle class, white little club non-issues with the motherfucking one-drop rule? Why don't you go ahead and say next time that woman is the nigger of the world?

I had no idea what "one-drop rule" was, so I looked it up. Interesting.

It reminds me of a funny story: When I enlisted they had a section for race and a section for ethnicity. Since my father would have been considered a "White Hispanic", [got my browness from my mother's side of the family] it was applied to me as well. I'm a little lighter toned than my little South Park avatar, but I can't imagine that a single person would look at me and think "White Hispanic". :think:

[real horrorshow]

Quoth the Zeffalin:

*I'm glad to have been reminded of this term. Henceforth FTB shall be The Chyme Pit to me!

We're going to need our own dictionary pretty soon, and with entries like that I think it would outsell PZ's red-shifted opuscule.

I'm rather more pleased with "Tough buns Zeffalump!" myself.

We do have a glossary on the wiki, which is in need of some attention. I'm not sure I'd clutter it up with stuff like mine above though. Not unless and until they gain some general currency.

[Badger3k]

From the CSICon website:

6:30—9:00 PM
Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe Dinner $95 Proceeds to SGU (Not included in Meal Plan Ticket)

See instead: Gravy Train tickets

In years past they've done a raffle to appear on the podcast once, and they have made thousands of dollars off it. When I heard that some guy paid a couple grand for the privilege of doing a podcast with them I almost ran off the road. Despite Watson, I do like the podcast, but no way in hell would I pay to be on any podcast, and while I like some and support them...that's way too much.

[Gumby]

It's obviously the hat. I wasn't aware I was wearing my racist hat. I thought it was my homophobic hat, which I intended to wear, as it matches well with my anti-woman plastic glasses.

Are you referring to this baboonism?:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8333/8082 ... 7c09a9.jpg
Here we have a self-confessed fat sack of crap; enslaved to the half-wit's uniform of jeans-n-t-shirt; who can't tell a fedora from a panama and has the damned effrontery to attack Al's style!

Because that's what it is karpad. "[R]efusing to play the fashion game,..insisting that your individual judgment of what looks good and cool somehow supersedes the judgment of the rest of society." That is exactly why style trumps mere fashion. Al has it, you - by your own feeble admission - do not.

In the meantime, karpad, if you have anything else in your head that "isn’t really a fully formed thought" or otherwise find you "cannot put [your] finger on precisely what [something] says", exercise your democratic right to shut the fuck up.

Because, do you know what's really going on karpad? Al, doesn't look like your tribe, he doesn't think like your tribe. So, in your primitive baboon way, you have placed him in an out-group. Your irrational, primitive instinct is to attack. “[E]veryone who wears a fedora is a complete douchebag.” This is the foundation of all bigotry and you're too stupid to look in the mirror and see it.

The FTBers once attacked Gurdur's penchant for hat-wearing as well, and mocked him by saying something along the lines of "Does he really think that shitty hat makes him look like a snappy dresser?" These people have nothing. Nothing.

[Steve Schuler]

No one is denying that there are real assholes, sexists, and misogynists out there. The question is, are you using reason and evidence to detect them or your "sixth sense"? When someone says something that you think it disagrees with your position, do you assume a certain attitude, race, gender and etc. is associated with them or do you first ask for clarifications?

Hey There, Trophy!

I'm coming out of lurk mode for the first time to pitch in here.

Having participated a bit in the comments thread of the article by Crommunist that you cited in your comment. My initial comment which was a criticism of a comment made by Improbable Joe (brown-nosing syncophant extraordinaire) and a really pleasant, but all to brief (joke), exchange with Stephanie Zvan led to a couple of comments exchanged between Crommunist and myself. It did not go all that well, but my tiff with Joe and Steph had pretty much laid the groundwork that made that inevitable. I actually like Ian (The Crommunist) and think that he is a pretty smart guy who means well, but is a bit too attached to 'Identity Political Theory' paradigms and confined within a pretty narrow base of personal experience for his own good, like I would know what would be better for 'his own good'. :-) I probably will comment on his blog in the future, see how it goes, and take it from there.

Anyhow, having lived in Hawaii as a white-boy for a couple of years I can attest to a couple of things: Yes, anti-white racism can be a significant problem (if you're white) in parts of America, and sometimes all it takes is a look to communicate utter racial contempt. "Stink-Eye" is the colloquial expression used in Hawaii for this form of non-verbal communication, which is a pretty potent hateful glare that requires no verbal conversation to be understood. So, in a sense I think that Ian is not entirely wrong about 'spidey sense', although I think that in the way he was using it allowed for folks to rationalize a rush to judgement when that might not be warranted.

Complex thing, this life that is...

[codelette]

Stephie Zvan just puts fingers to keyboard and vomit flies out: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... -activism/

*Everything* put out on their forum and what they spout on Twitter regarding A+theism is nothing but feminism. Does Zvan even use that raisin-excuse for a brain?

I read the title and was like "naw, motherfucker didn't go there...". Then I read this:

It took me a while, but I finally figured out what was so familiar about it. It’s the one-drop rule rewritten for our situation.

This white bitch is really conflating her middle class, white little club non-issues with the motherfucking one-drop rule? Why don't you go ahead and say next time that woman is the nigger of the world?

I had no idea what "one-drop rule" was, so I looked it up. Interesting.

It reminds me of a funny story: When I enlisted they had a section for race and a section for ethnicity. Since my father would have been considered a "White Hispanic", [got my browness from my mother's side of the family] it was applied to me as well. I'm a little lighter toned than my little South Park avatar, but I can't imagine that a single person would look at me and think "White Hispanic". :think:

Same here, in my case my dad's side is black and my mom's brown/olive skin. My brother looks like Tupac Shakur (skin color and all), he is jail now. I saw his arrest papers. He was identified as "white Hispanic". :lol:

[Lsuoma]

Actually all the women here are Chill Girls, who post here because they desperately seek attention and approval from men. Get it right! :)

Yeah, and if any of the CGs want to be cool (nay, ultra cool) by fucking the supermod (me!) just shout it out right here in the forum: no need to be coy and use a PM...

[Steve Schuler]

For anyone who needs to fuel their paranoia or just would like a good laugh watching Improbale Joe and Stephanie in action (including Steph flexing her political muscle threatening to turn me into my ISP for God only knows what) go to:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/ ... the-doubt/

I enter the conversation at comment 11.

(Now I'm doing THIS. Maybe I have a bit of True Pitter potential in me after all...)

[welch]

Poor agapornis is taking a right slapping over there, with our old pal LeftSidePositive going for some kind of Chyme Pit* record post length. It's a re-run of a familiar theme: "Boo-hoo, people are being big meanies by insisting the word atheism means what it actually means, instead of all the other shit we want to hang off it."

Tough buns Zeffalump!"Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." That's it. You want to go wibbling on about feminism? Well there's already a word for that. It's 'feminism'. Aren't dictionaries great?

Quoth the Zeffalin:

*I'm glad to have been reminded of this term. Henceforth FTB shall be The Chyme Pit to me!

We're going to need our own dictionary pretty soon, and with entries like that I think it would outsell PZ's red-shifted opuscule.

OMG LEFTSIDEPOSITIVE IS DDOSING THEM!!!!

[real horrorshow]

The FTBers once attacked Gurdur's penchant for hat-wearing as well, and mocked him by saying something along the lines of "Does he really think that shitty hat makes him look like a snappy dresser?" These people have nothing. Nothing.

I own three Fedoras and a Panama (a real one, from Equador*), so obviously I'm some kind of uber-fascist! I imagine the Baboon chapeau shop to be stocked with this sort of thing:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8083 ... 42ca_q.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8330/8083 ... 8354_q.jpg

*That'll fox the 'boons

[ReneeHendricks]

Having PZ sign a copy of the "God Delusion" is like having Pauly Shore sign the autobiography of Sir Alec Guinness.

I just spit out coffee everywhere laughing over this :D

[welch]

So to drag it slightly back on topic, why the fuck does every skeptic convention have to feature George Hrab or Marian Call, or tatty student art of Amy whateverthefuckhernameis, to fly the flag of Skeptics in the Arts when there is real flippin talent out there.

The answer is: it does not have to be that way.
Hrab? A lucky dumb-fuck cretin know-nothing suit-wearing-idiot who happens to have briefly taken the fancy of Beccy.
Nothing more than that.
But: good luck to him having been able to spin the golden thread for as long as he has been able. Hope you got a good pension plan, Georgy-boy.
Youse gunna sink with FfTB, Skepchunk, A+Thesism, SGU, and the rest of the willing passengers on the good ship SS Titanic.
Strike up the bland.
Abide with anyone but me.

I saw hrab in a session at dragoncon. He gave some good tips on podcasting that helped me out, so if nothing else, he's a helpful sort. Humorous too.

[welch]

Anyway, I am also somewhat astonished that Al leaves pretty quietly, no great big scene, and PZ sends him off by calling him a racist.

He did what?

The fuck, he actually did.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 12/for-al/

5 minutes later, PZ posted his next topic: White and delightsome (a Brian Keith Dalton video about racism inherent in Mormonism), saying it should be watched before the debate.

I'm now going to waste 10 seconds considering why he put those 2 in juxtaposition: Shame/repentance/coverup for the thread about Al, felt a need to get back in with racism-sensitive A+'ers? Had some grand plan all along to post them back-to-back? The pair of topics actually is intended to take a poke at Al's Mormon friends, or at Al for having Mormon friends? (If applicable.) Was clueless about any possible connection?

'Kay, that's it. I'm done wondering about that.

It's obviously the hat. I wasn't aware I was wearing my racist hat. I thought it was my homophobic hat, which I intended to wear, as it matches well with my anti-woman plastic glasses. Apparently I got the colors of the band confused. Such is how it goes with getting older.

Thank heavens I didn't accidentally don my rapist hat, but after checking, I am happy to report it's stored safely in a box where it may or may not exist.

Here's a picture of me wearing my "civil rights activist" headgear, which obviously means that I love everybody:

http://www.alstefanelli.com/AL3.jpg

Hopefully, this will remove all suspicions that I hate all redneck cowboys:

http://www.alstefanelli.com/pickinit.jpg

Oh, I forgot, I'm a cripple, so I figured I'd throw this in:

http://www.alstefanelli.com/card.jpg

Cheers...

OMG, I have to ask, since you appear to own one: have you ever hit anyone over the head with a banjo? Because el kabonnging someone with a banjo just seems to be awesome.

[welch]

Like a few others here, I used to be a fan of Pz Myers. I even met him once. But he has really gone off the deep end, and so have the regular posters

Same thoughts here exactly. I met him him once and even had him sign my copy of the "God Delusion". I no longer follow his blog and had I known he would turn into a demagogue determined to lambast anyone who doesn't toe the line on radical feminist dogma, I never would have asked for his signature.

You know what, I can somehow understand them, at least partially. Let me quote what Crommunist wrote recently:

...I also encountered people who relied on a seemingly coded language. They would begin an argument on seemingly-innocuous grounds where there would be broad agreement from most reasonable people, and then through a series of ever-widening logical holes would steer the conversation towards their real position – that the victims of racism deserved what they got for one or more of a variety of reasons: laziness, cultural deficiency, an entitlement ethos, biological inferiority, lack of ‘personal responsibility’… again, a long list.

Perhaps most frustrating were the people who claimed to be, or otherwise seemed to be, allies in the struggle against racism who nevertheless made statements reminiscent of those in the first two groups. In their own frustration and difficulty accepting the realities of racism, a situation further coloured by the fact that they themselves had never needed to confront racism in a personal way, they fell into the same cognitive traps that made the race-baiting-accusers and the coded-linguists so galling. It was based on the tacit acceptance of a handful of unwarranted assumptions about members of minority groups who talk about race, or about the groups themselves.

And so, over a number of years and bruised friendships and self-recriminations over al of the racist statements I let slide because I was “picking my battles”, my skill at detecting racist sentiments grew. I knew, within a couple of sentences, where a coded or dismissive line of reasoning was going – often before the speaker hirself knew that there was any racial component to hir speech. I could rattle off refutations and dig my heels in on things that seemed innocent enough, but that I knew were the first baby-steps toward victim blaming and racial attack. I began to see the racial elements of things that even I hadn’t considered relevant before. It was like a goddamn Spidey sense.

(my bold).

The thing is, I understand how this works. It's the fucking awesome pattern matching abilities of the brain: if you encounter a certain racist pattern of arguments over and over again, then the next time someone begins an argument that matches that pattern, the alarms in your brain go off and you will get a sense, a sixth "spidey feeling", that you know where this argument is going. But of course, submitting yourself to the mercy of the pattern matching capabilities of your brain is a very unskeptical way to go. The problem becomes worse when you engage in online discussions where emotional cues get lost. And I think these are partially responsible for the meltdown of the PZ and the gang: Their pattern matching system is overloaded, they see sexism everywhere; they need it tune down the false positives.

No one is denying that there are real assholes, sexists, and misogynists out there. The question is, are you using reason and evidence to detect them or your "sixth sense"? When someone says something that you think it disagrees with your position, do you assume a certain attitude, race, gender and etc. is associated with them or do you first ask for clarifications?

When your only tool is a hammer, all problems become nails.

[welch]

It's obviously the hat. I wasn't aware I was wearing my racist hat. I thought it was my homophobic hat, which I intended to wear, as it matches well with my anti-woman plastic glasses.

Are you referring to this baboonism?:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8333/8082 ... 7c09a9.jpg
Here we have a self-confessed fat sack of crap; enslaved to the half-wit's uniform of jeans-n-t-shirt; who can't tell a fedora from a panama and has the damned effrontery to attack Al's style!

Because that's what it is karpad. "[R]efusing to play the fashion game,..insisting that your individual judgment of what looks good and cool somehow supersedes the judgment of the rest of society." That is exactly why style trumps mere fashion. Al has it, you - by your own feeble admission - do not.

In the meantime, karpad, if you have anything else in your head that "isn’t really a fully formed thought" or otherwise find you "cannot put [your] finger on precisely what [something] says", exercise your democratic right to shut the fuck up.

Because, do you know what's really going on karpad? Al, doesn't look like your tribe, he doesn't think like your tribe. So, in your primitive baboon way, you have placed him in an out-group. Your irrational, primitive instinct is to attack. “[E]veryone who wears a fedora is a complete douchebag.” This is the foundation of all bigotry and you're too stupid to look in the mirror and see it.

My response to the "everyone who wears a fedora is a douchebag" idiocy: Indiana Jones

[disumbrationist]

I got a chance to hear Richard Dawkins speak last tuesday, and during the talk something crystallized in my mind: there is probably no one in the atheist movement who could replace him. The talk was held in a smaller room, but the room was completely full: people standing, sitting on the aisles. His talk was called 'Darwin's 5 Bridges,' in which he listed the steps along the path of evolutionary biology as a series of bridges that some thinkers crossed while others didn't. It's a talk he has apparently given before elsewhere.
The interesting thing is the response he gets. I recognized at least 5 members of the National Academy of Sciences there, one of whom was sitting on the floor during the whole talk. Jared Diamond was among them.
Dawkins was, of course, asked the inevitable questions:

why do people reject evolutionary biology? His answer: religion.
Aren't you a little too mean? His answer: I'm not any meaner than your average restaurant critic, and probably nicer.

The respect he commands - respect he has earned - is a valuable asset to the atheist movement. Anyone who says they "aren't going to buy his books, or recommend them to others" is depriving herself of valuable tools. There is certainly no one in Atheism+ or Freethought Blogs who could get a response like he did, who lectures as well, and has the intellectual chops he does.

An interesting aside: during the Q&A, he answered questions from 4 people - who happened to be all men. Then he said "They've all been men so far, so lets have a woman this time..." and chose a woman for the last question.
He's the most insidious kind of misogynist: the kind who doesn't behave like a misogynist...

[real horrorshow]

speaking of images, this is the best photo I've ever seen of [BeckyBoos]:

Nope. Sorry. Still makes my skin crawl. There's something about her stare: cold; unflinching; antiseptic; unfeeling; callously efficient. Something very 'camp commandant'. Something Rosa Klebb-ish. Something very Himmler about her.

http://i.imgur.com/Pc5BM.jpg

More appropriate still when you consider that the Reichsführer-SS came to be known as the Reichs Heinie, by his own troops.

[mutleyeng]

The respect he commands - respect he has earned - is a valuable asset to the atheist movement. Anyone who says they "aren't going to buy his books, or recommend them to others" is depriving herself of valuable tools. There is certainly no one in Atheism+ or Freethought Blogs who could get a response like he did, who lectures as well, and has the intellectual chops he does. ...

It needs everything, intellect, achievement, linguistic skill, but most of all, passion. I dont think one even needs to be an academic - who could forget the way Stephen Fry demolished the opposition in the Great Debate a few yrs back...made even Hitch look ordinary

[ERV]

Haha! Hrab talk reminded me I met him at the TX Freethought convention in 2009. I sent him a friend request along with a note 'Hey I spoke at TX Freethought we met there blah blah...' and he never friended me back. Now it says I need to send him another request (its not 'pending'), so he actually declined my request. LOL! He likes women with 'both brains and body', but not like, actual smart attractive women, LOL!!!

This is one of the reasons PUA approaches work, they go after the '9s and 10s'-- Men are often intimidated by a womans looks and intelligence, so a guy who actually has the guts to confidently approach an attractive woman and a guy who isnt intimidated by genuine intelligence are successful. Why? Cause the chick is shocked hes actually interested in her and attracted to his confidence. I cant tell you how many times my guy friends (thinking they were flattering me) would tattle on their guy friends commenting on how 'hot' I was while they were hiding in their locker room at the gym. I was always like 'Great. So they think Im 'hot'. And Im going to be sitting with Arnie watching Netflix on Saturday because they wont ask me out for coffee." I cant tell you how many times I dated someone who initially LOVED that I was an HIV researcher, and LOVED parading their 'HIV researcher girlfriend' in front of their friends. But when reality hit the fan (I spend a ton of time in the lab, I get frustrated at work and the partner has no helpful insight/advice, I am not easy to impress intellectually, they might have to make personal sacrifices to support me) suddenly an HIV researcher for a girlfriend was not so attractive.

One of the many reasons this fiasco has pissed me off is that Watson lynching the guy who asked her for coffee, Myers weird creepy 'advice' to guys wanting to date atheist women, it makes dating even *harder* for guys AND women.

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[CommanderTuvok]

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[CommanderTuvok]

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[Johann the Cabbie]

Okay you overly prolific cunts, I've finally caught up. It's been an insane week offline, and I see, an equally insane week online.

But, the coolest news over the past week - my sister walked the other day, a whole fifty feet, without her walker, for the first time in about four years.

[CommanderTuvok]

rE: that PZ thread about "your racist friend".

I've noticed a lot of commentators don't seem to know what PZ is talking about, and when other commentators are asked, they don't seem rather vague on what it is all about.

Anyway, PZ needs to concern himself with his "homophobic friend".

[mutleyeng]

Too funny,
You know how you lot were talking about how Ophelia would be having a hissy fit because she couldnt moderate replies to her comments on Als blog?
shes got it covered - she just replies with pingbacks to her blog now.

[CommanderTuvok]

Given the nature of PZ's missive of Al, we can take it that PZ is seriously butthurt.

All together now...aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhh, what a shame!!!

[CommanderTuvok]

Too funny,
You know how you lot were talking about how Ophelia would be having a hissy fit because she couldnt moderate replies to her comments on Als blog?
shes got it covered - she just replies with pingbacks to her blog now.

Yep, the Baboons hate it when they can't control the narrative.

[Lsuoma]

Vote here.

[Lsuoma]

Too funny,
You know how you lot were talking about how Ophelia would be having a hissy fit because she couldnt moderate replies to her comments on Als blog?
shes got it covered - she just replies with pingbacks to her blog now.

Yep, the Baboons hate it when they can't control the narrative.

What a silly bunt!

[real horrorshow]

Currently in A+ forum land, where they're talking about the haters. It seems as if they've decided that A+ is only for the marginalised and people-without-privilege, which is confusing because by their definition a bunch of us here would be considered marginalised or people-without-privilege (PWP, eh! HAH). Via Setar:

Atheism+ is not a big tent. It's not intended to be a big tent.

Big tents are for and by the privileged. Marginalized people may exist inside a big tent, but the will of the big tent will always be skewed towards its most privileged members -- see the Democratic and Republican parties in the United States.

This is a small tent. This is a tent of the marginalized. This is where we go when we're sick of people in the big tent trying to push us around.

Hng. It's not for the marginalised. It's for people who enjoy the idea of being victims. Big difference.

So, no longer the "third wave", no longer "purging" the misogynist minority from the atheist ranks, no longer pushing aside the privileged, old, white, males to make way for the New World Order etc. Now even they can't see themselves as the "big tent", the moral majority and, if that quote sums them up, what a sad little collective they have become.

Skimmed past this far too hastily in my millinerial outrage! This could be a key turning point. If the A+theists are circling the wagons and abandoning the pretence that they're the Inquisitors of Atheism, with the power to purify the faith and cast out the heretics, we're going to see a lot of weaseling and turning of coats as former 'celebrity atheist' supporters hasten to secure their seats on the conference gravy-train. I'm sure someone will show me where this is already happening.

[Al Stefanelli]

It's obviously the hat. I wasn't aware I was wearing my racist hat. I thought it was my homophobic hat, which I intended to wear, as it matches well with my anti-woman plastic glasses.

Are you referring to this baboonism?:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8333/8082 ... 7c09a9.jpg
Here we have a self-confessed fat sack of crap; enslaved to the half-wit's uniform of jeans-n-t-shirt; who can't tell a fedora from a panama and has the damned effrontery to attack Al's style!

Because that's what it is karpad. "[R]efusing to play the fashion game,..insisting that your individual judgment of what looks good and cool somehow supersedes the judgment of the rest of society." That is exactly why style trumps mere fashion. Al has it, you - by your own feeble admission - do not.

In the meantime, karpad, if you have anything else in your head that "isn’t really a fully formed thought" or otherwise find you "cannot put [your] finger on precisely what [something] says", exercise your democratic right to shut the fuck up.

Because, do you know what's really going on karpad? Al, doesn't look like your tribe, he doesn't think like your tribe. So, in your primitive baboon way, you have placed him in an out-group. Your irrational, primitive instinct is to attack. “[E]veryone who wears a fedora is a complete douchebag.” This is the foundation of all bigotry and you're too stupid to look in the mirror and see it.

Yes, that is precisely what I was referring to. I just had to laugh at the entire hat portion of the comment thread. Funny (and not ha-ha funny) thing is, I've never said anything negative about PZ. Ever. So, I was kinda surprised at the post. But the comments didn't surprise me, at all. In fact, none of the comments on the couple/few posts that have tied me up to the post of perpetual flames have surprised me.

OMG, I have to ask, since you appear to own one: have you ever hit anyone over the head with a banjo? Because el kabonnging someone with a banjo just seems to be awesome.

That's an $800.00 banjo. No fucking way was I hitting anyone with that. I do have an old guitar I bought at a pawn shop that has a picture of Farrah Fawcett pasted on the back (the one with the nipples), and a sticker from a strip club glued to the front. That, I would hit someone with. But in a totally non-bigoted way. I would try to anticipate if the stickers would offend anyone, and would cover them up with carefully cut-out pieces of paper bags (with no writing on them, just in case the store they came from sells veal) before taking even that first swing.

[Lsuoma]

That's an $800.00 banjo. No fucking way was I hitting anyone with that. I do have an old guitar I bought at a pawn shop that has a picture of Farrah Fawcett pasted on the back (the one with the nipples), and a sticker from a strip club glued to the front. That, I would hit someone with. But in a totally non-bigoted way. I would try to anticipate if the stickers would offend anyone, and would cover them up with carefully cut-out pieces of paper bags (with no writing on them, just in case the store they came from sells veal) before taking even that first swing.

Ever have problems with your banjo string?

<snigger>

[BarnOwl]

This is a small conference that happens in Orange County, California every year. The person who started it and works hard to put it together was very excited to get PZ Myers and Greta Christina as speakers in 2013. (I don't think he follows all the drama)
http://freethoughtalliance.org/fta/annu ... /speakers/

So much for A+ environmental activism and reducing one's carbon footprint.

$95 per head for the SGU dinner at CSICon isn't an outrageous amount, but not too many years ago it would have been financially out of the question for me. Certainly in my grad student or postdoctoral fellowship years, I could not have justified such an expense. Just as a comparison, the current per diem for dinner in the DC metro area, allotted for US federal gummint-related peer review work, is $36. Much less for breakfast and lunch, of course.

[disumbrationist]

There is certainly no one in Atheism+ or Freethought Blogs who could get a response like he did, who lectures as well, and has the intellectual chops he does. ...

It needs everything, intellect, achievement, linguistic skill, but most of all, passion. I dont think one even needs to be an academic - who could forget the way Stephen Fry demolished the opposition in the Great Debate a few yrs back...made even Hitch look ordinary

Passion is not high on my list. Fanatics have passion, often more than anyone else. What I appreciate is passion reigned by intelligence and skepticism. Passion makes a good fellow passenger, but don't let it into the driver's seat or you might find yourself heading for a cliff.

[real horrorshow]

Yes, that is precisely what I was referring to. I just had to laugh at the entire hat portion of the comment thread. Funny (and not ha-ha funny) thing is, I've never said anything negative about PZ. Ever. So, I was kinda surprised at the post. But the comments didn't surprise me, at all. In fact, none of the comments on the couple/few posts that have tied me up to the post of perpetual flames have surprised me.

Since I posted karpad has been kicked all around the playground by his own gang. As he deserves.

[Lapsang Souchong]

Michael K Gray, am I correct that you were a regular poster over at the Dawkins site (or am I confusing your name with some other poster)? I'm just wondering what's happened to the the regular posting of news, comments, etc. The feed in my Google Reader doesn't show any new posts since August.

[Tigzy]

Here's Ophelia, 'doubling-down', as it were: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ote-to-al/

The quick note is just to say that I didn’t know it was a secret. I didn’t know I was letting a cat out of a bag. Part of the reason for that is that the ragey podcast with Reap Paden was already out there. Given the nature of the podcast it didn’t even occur to me that Al was keeping his departure a secret. Maybe it should have, but it didn’t. I didn’t intend to leave Al with a shitload of work on a night he’d planned to spend with his family.

Uh-huh. Gotcha, O withered Plum. You had no idea that Al might have preferred to announce his departure himself. I'd personally like to refer Nanny Fee to Empathy 101 on this, given that anyone whose brain surely isn't gradually being eaten by desperately hungry cannibal amoebas would know that this kind of personal info is best left to the person involved, and that they might just feel a little offended should some meddlesome ratbag with a mouth like dog's bottom announce such details on their behalf.

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

In any case, I myself feel I've been injust in tarring the FfTB crowd with the same brush. Recent events have made it pretty clear to me that there are (or more pertinently, were) some good bloggers there. For those that remain, Aron Ra is usually excellent. And I reckon Mano might be worth checking out more closely. Hell, I don't even mind Natalie Reed that much, even if most of her stuff is tl;dr.

In any case, I'm gonna do my utmost to refrain from using 'FfTbers' in favour of 'FCers'. Most of us know who they are, anyway.

These is, at least, one thing about FTB that has proven illuminating to me: the network seriously disproves the notion of there being a God: Al left and Ophelia stays; Lennon got shot and Ringo didn't. Simples!

[Gumby]

Having PZ sign a copy of the "God Delusion" is like having Pauly Shore sign the autobiography of Sir Alec Guinness.

I just spit out coffee everywhere laughing over this :D

Glad I could help!

[mutleyeng]

didnt Al make that post the same day as the podcast? So if she thought he didnt know it was going to be his last post when he made it......
does anyone fall for this bullshit? really?

[welch]

Okay you overly prolific cunts, I've finally caught up. It's been an insane week offline, and I see, an equally insane week online.

But, the coolest news over the past week - my sister walked the other day, a whole fifty feet, without her walker, for the first time in about four years.

Dude, that's awesome!

My minion has a daughter who they weren't sure would ever walk. One day, she just got up and walked across the room. She, (the minion) was as happy as I think anyone could be. So yeah, that's huge.

[welch]

Here's Ophelia, 'doubling-down', as it were: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ote-to-al/

The quick note is just to say that I didn’t know it was a secret. I didn’t know I was letting a cat out of a bag. Part of the reason for that is that the ragey podcast with Reap Paden was already out there. Given the nature of the podcast it didn’t even occur to me that Al was keeping his departure a secret. Maybe it should have, but it didn’t. I didn’t intend to leave Al with a shitload of work on a night he’d planned to spend with his family.

Uh-huh. Gotcha, O withered Plum. You had no idea that Al might have preferred to announce his departure himself. I'd personally like to refer Nanny Fee to Empathy 101 on this, given that anyone whose brain surely isn't gradually being eaten by desperately hungry cannibal amoebas would know that this kind of personal info is best left to the person involved, and that they might just feel a little offended should some meddlesome ratbag with a mouth like dog's bottom announce such details on their behalf.

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

In any case, I myself feel I've been injust in tarring the FfTB crowd with the same brush. Recent events have made it pretty clear to me that there are (or more pertinently, were) some good bloggers there. For those that remain, Aron Ra is usually excellent. And I reckon Mano might be worth checking out more closely. Hell, I don't even mind Natalie Reed that much, even if most of her stuff is tl;dr.

In any case, I'm gonna do my utmost to refrain from using 'FfTbers' in favour of 'FCers'. Most of us know who they are, anyway.

These is, at least, one thing about FTB that has proven illuminating to me: the network seriously disproves the notion of there being a God: Al left and Ophelia stays; Lennon got shot and Ringo didn't. Simples!

Ophelia is so far up her own ass, she's a klein bottle.

[Tony Parsehole]

I'm still torn on what FfTBer I despise the most - the appalling shit-stirring, interfering, vapid, obscurantist dong-dong that is Ophelia, or the vindictive, nasty, stupid, bully-apologist bag of sick that is Zvan. Peezus isn't actually my least liked baboon, in that he can occasionally be interesting, and I do respect him for his work. Yes, he's an obscure professor at a fairly obscure university - but it's that kind of thankless donkey-work which keep the sciences - or any academic discipline - going. It's difficult work, not glamorous, but essential IMO. That said, PZ is still a massive arse.

Zvan. Hands down. I have no problem with her being a spiteful bitch, it's the way she rationalises all the nasty shit her friends do, with the most hypocitical double-standards that make me hate the cunt.

[Steve Schuler]

Too funny,
You know how you lot were talking about how Ophelia would be having a hissy fit because she couldnt moderate replies to her comments on Als blog?
shes got it covered - she just replies with pingbacks to her blog now.

Yep, the Baboons hate it when they can't control the narrative.

What a silly bunt!

How True!

Yesterday when Ophelia did her smear-job on Al using the tragedy of a young girls suicide as the entry point to a post I actually had a few comments of mine that were published. I have my suspicions that she published them as a result of something I'd written on Al's blog, but who knows? At any rate I apparently regained my 'moderated into silence' status when I suggested that the reason she didn't continue the conversation on Al's blog was not that it had been overrun by her 'harrassers' as she claimed, but rather that it wasn't an environment she could control the dialog via silencing the opposition.

Ophelia's going at it again today with another go at Al, "Note to Al" I think is the title. Anyhow, I submitted a comment that as a self-confessed drama junkie that I am, that I would like to thank her for being the drama queen that she is. It didn't stay in moderation for very long and publication wasn't it's destiny.

Yeah, it's not fair or reasonable to paint all of the FtB bloggers with the same brush, FCers is much more target specific moniker for those deserving ridicule, I think.

[Rystefn]

Wow... high school photos are always so embarrassing... I can't believe I actually went out in public dressed like that.

Not one looks good in stripes.

No one who isn't a cat, anyway.

Yeah, that's right. I said it. Fuck you, zebras. Nobody likes you anyway.

I've used "Zebra" as a nym in years past, including at the INTJ Forum. They're ornery & can't be domesticated; I can relate.
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/zebra.html

[Zebras] are unpredictable and are known to attack people. To be domesticated, animals must meet certain criteria. ... Zebras' unpredictable nature and tendency to attack preclude them from being good candidates for domestication.

Yeah, I know it. They're ornery fuckers with a bad attitude. They still look like shit in stripes. Not that they give a fuck what you think, because looking like shit is exactly the plan.

[Scented Nectar]

Michael K Gray, am I correct that you were a regular poster over at the Dawkins site (or am I confusing your name with some other poster)? I'm just wondering what's happened to the the regular posting of news, comments, etc. The feed in my Google Reader doesn't show any new posts since August.

I haven't seen any for a while either, so I went to the site, and there's a new RSS feed url. I copied it into the 'Subscribe' in Reader, and it seems to have new stuff. Here's the url to use for subscribing:

Code: Select all

http://richarddawkins.net/faq/rss

[Tony Parsehole]

I had the weirdest feeling today. I read oolons blog and I felt sorry for the little fucker. After all the double-standard shit he pulled, all the arguing in bad faith and dishonest bitching about the Pit to the FTB crowd, I felt a twang of pity for him being banned by his idol. What the fuck is happening to me?

[sacha]

Yeah; the staff at Atheism+ sure did react like they expected me to cause aggression-related injuries.
(though I didn't use "Zebra" there)

FYI: It is my (imperfect) understanding that Ophelia Benson was once a zoological keeper. Pachyderm specialist, I think.

I thought she just cleaned the habitat, but here she claims she worked in a nursery.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-255261

[Rystefn]

Haha! Hrab talk reminded me I met him at the TX Freethought convention in 2009. I sent him a friend request along with a note 'Hey I spoke at TX Freethought we met there blah blah...' and he never friended me back. Now it says I need to send him another request (its not 'pending'), so he actually declined my request. LOL! He likes women with 'both brains and body', but not like, actual smart attractive women, LOL!!!

This is one of the reasons PUA approaches work, they go after the '9s and 10s'-- Men are often intimidated by a womans looks and intelligence, so a guy who actually has the guts to confidently approach an attractive woman and a guy who isnt intimidated by genuine intelligence are successful. Why? Cause the chick is shocked hes actually interested in her and attracted to his confidence. I cant tell you how many times my guy friends (thinking they were flattering me) would tattle on their guy friends commenting on how 'hot' I was while they were hiding in their locker room at the gym. I was always like 'Great. So they think Im 'hot'. And Im going to be sitting with Arnie watching Netflix on Saturday because they wont ask me out for coffee." I cant tell you how many times I dated someone who initially LOVED that I was an HIV researcher, and LOVED parading their 'HIV researcher girlfriend' in front of their friends. But when reality hit the fan (I spend a ton of time in the lab, I get frustrated at work and the partner has no helpful insight/advice, I am not easy to impress intellectually, they might have to make personal sacrifices to support me) suddenly an HIV researcher for a girlfriend was not so attractive.

One of the many reasons this fiasco has pissed me off is that Watson lynching the guy who asked her for coffee, Myers weird creepy 'advice' to guys wanting to date atheist women, it makes dating even *harder* for guys AND women.

</ramble>

Yeah, that sounds like it would suck balls. For what it's worth, if I wasn't a few thousand miles away, I'd totally ask out for coffee or whatever the local equivalent is.

[sacha]

I have a difficult time sorting through the original Slime Pit. I would like to post links to what was said regarding the infamous mention I got from Becci. It was towards the end of the final thread (Periodic Table of Swearing). I even asked franc to help, but he could not locate them with my keywords. Can one of you please help?

My Google-Fu skills turned up this: http://www.scentednectar.com/slimepit-a ... v-pg91.htm.

cheers, mate!

here:

ignore.jpg

(55.59 KiB) Downloaded 312 times

leaving it sized, so it can be read easily. The rest of the discussion is on the page Keating linked to.

cheers

[justinvacula]

Ophelia says:

Aratina – well I’m pretty sure the podcast full of violent misogynistic slurs aimed at me is not conditional. I’m pretty sure it’s on the calendar no matter what, so there would be no point in my shutting up even if I wanted to or intended to.

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

[Rystefn]

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

Clearly, they are working from some new and heretofore unknown definition of "violent." May be related to their definition of "men's rights activist," "misogyny," and "privilege."

[papillon]

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

"I say, young lady; if you do not refrain from talking over the men, I shall be forced to have you over my knee.
You little cunt" - Bertrand Russell.

?????

[welch]

Ophelia says:

Aratina – well I’m pretty sure the podcast full of violent misogynistic slurs aimed at me is not conditional. I’m pretty sure it’s on the calendar no matter what, so there would be no point in my shutting up even if I wanted to or intended to.

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

In their world? It usually starts with "I disagree with you on this..."

[jg64]

[quote="Michael K Gray
At the risk of seeming smug (by virtue of posting frequency) might I say that I can feel some empathy with you?
Perhaps not balanced empathy in parallel with your specific concerns, but empathy nonetheless.
1) Glad to hear that you are peeling yourself away from superstition.
As painful as having a band-aid ripped off a scar, but as vital that it should be removed after the healing process, lest it fester.
2) Many of we here have disabilities, but choose not to employ them as bait, nor lures for sympathy, unlike the A+Theistics.
As for your daughter: what can we do to help? Or: more specifically, is there anything that I can do to assist?
My own daughter is healthy, but I have acquired visual defects, and maybe able to proffer "lulz" to add spice to y0our existence?
Something that the negative drones at A+Theism lack is a sense of humour, that's for sure.[/quote]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the welcome and empathy, Kind Sir. I don't actually see myself as having any problems, probably as I wasn't diagnosed until my mid thirties. Also thanks for the offer of assistance regarding my daughter. It is very much appreciated. She is managing very well on the 'puter, but hates the software we were using, Supernova. She prefers doing without, and just sitting close to the screen. Probs not good for, but actually easier for her to manage as she is very easily frustrated.

Feel free to offer away regarding the lulz's, they are always appreciated. Have you seen the comedian Jason Byrne doing his special eye joke? For some reason this made me feel better about my daughter's special eye, though it is very much more special than Jason's, jittering furiously as it does. I honestly don't know how she sees so well, all things considered.

First time at youtubing stuff, finger's crossed that it works. Have to dash now, time for Jazz to watch The X Factor. She's already picked her winner out, and there'll be hell to pay if she misses it.

[youtube]B0VtkCrbLd8[/youtube]

[jg64]

Bugger, quote fail.

At least the youtube worked. Thanks to Scented Nectar for posting a while back on how to!

[Mykeru]

The FTBers once attacked Gurdur's penchant for hat-wearing as well, and mocked him by saying something along the lines of "Does he really think that shitty hat makes him look like a snappy dresser?" These people have nothing. Nothing.

I own three Fedoras and a Panama (a real one, from Equador*), so obviously I'm some kind of uber-fascist! I imagine the Baboon chapeau shop to be stocked with this sort of thing:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8083 ... 42ca_q.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8330/8083 ... 8354_q.jpg

*That'll fox the 'boons

Let them try to figure out some of my stylin' headgear:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8083 ... 163e_z.jpg

[mutleyeng]

Hello again new peeps.

Oh and new people (of all genders and none), please can we have more cat avatars?

sorted

[Mykeru]

Ophelia says:

Aratina – well I’m pretty sure the podcast full of violent misogynistic slurs aimed at me is not conditional. I’m pretty sure it’s on the calendar no matter what, so there would be no point in my shutting up even if I wanted to or intended to.

What in the world is a "violent misogynistic slur?"

Sounds like Rebecca trying to spin a tale of her oppression while shitfaced as usual.