Periodic Table of Swearing

[welch]

I think PZ is once again showing that he's blind to "podium privilege". He showed it the first time when he didn't see the difference in power between RW on stage and Stef in the audience. This time in the video and responses to it he shows it again. The woman from the audience didn't know PZ would be embarrassing her for laughs when she volunteered, and social pressure required her to grin and bear it. How he doesn't see that he trapped her in this awkward situation (more and longer and more publically than EG did to RW on the elevator) is astounding.

She looked uncomfortable to me. That Paul couldn't see it speaks volumes. She couldn't get off stage quick enough.

Of course he couldn't. PeeZus is A Proper Feminist. As an APF, nothing he does could ever be anything but fully supportive of women. Therefore, any unease on her part was not correct thinking, and probably a remnant of her programming by the penisocracy. She may even be a Secret Gender Traitor.

[Gumby]

They remind me of a tribe huddled around the campfire, the leaders are free to invent whatever stories they wish when the listeners are too afraid to wander off and look for themselves.

My impression is slightly different, maybe because my first impression of FTB was during the tf00t debacle. The FTB regulars seemed to me to be not only have developed a deep tribalism, but also a severe, paranoid siege mentality.
It was almost as if they had dug themselves a bunker, where they huddled together, protected in their "safe space" from all the dangerous imaginary trolls and misogynists on the outside.

During the tf00t event, I honestly got the impression that these people reacted almost as if they were at war, the extreme hostility they showed towards everyone and anyone who dared to say anything in tf00ts defense was almost surreal. Polite, civil posts, from Youtube newcomers, were meet with "FUCK YOU!", porcupine-requests and wishes of getting fucked sideways with a rusty knife, and when the newcomers just went "WTF?! calm down?", they were banned for being tone trolls and JAQing off.

Don't forget also that during TF00tgate, PZ started gleefully using TF00t's real name in posts. Of course, his brain-dead commentariat ran with it, and dutifully referred to TF00t by his real name. Of course, his real name is pretty much common knowledge on the internet now, but that's not the point. The point is when ignorant fuckers like Surly Amy and Brownian hysterically shriek "DOX! DOX!" when someone shows that they have already freely posted their identity information on the internet, they can just shut the fuck up and take it... because they have shown many times that they are perfectly willing to do the same. And TF00t never even posted his name on the internet to my knowledge... he was truly doxed by some pissed-off Muslim. So Surly Amy and Brownian can just fuck off.

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/AkcBZ.jpg

[Altair]

I guess on this point we can agree to disagree. And of course, there's really no way to test it. Even if we could rewind the time and have her video be made by a guy, probably just because of that difference the videol would not have been popular.

So basically, I still think some of the hostile reaction (and not the criticism) is because she is a woman but also because she is an outsider to the gaming community which is again, highly correlated with her being a woman.

I can agree to disagree. Let's hope some FTB'ers read this and learn a bit about civil discussion.

[Altair]

Of course he couldn't. PeeZus is A Proper Feminist. As an APF, nothing he does could ever be anything but fully supportive of women. Therefore, any unease on her part was not correct thinking, and probably a remnant of her programming by the penisocracy. She may even be a Secret Gender Traitor.

I would love to know "Not a dog"'s opinion on PZ's position on this matter:

Sin título.png

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(Via elevatorgate)

[Gumby]

Of course he couldn't. PeeZus is A Proper Feminist. As an APF, nothing he does could ever be anything but fully supportive of women. Therefore, any unease on her part was not correct thinking, and probably a remnant of her programming by the penisocracy. She may even be a Secret Gender Traitor.

I would love to know "Not a dog"'s opinion on PZ's position on this matter:

Sin título.png

(Via elevatorgate)

That tweet, of course, is written with the assumption that sexism only runs in one direction, i.e. men being sexist towards women. Just looking at any number of FtB blogs, or the A+theism forum, is incontrovertible evidence that sexism runs both ways. Sexism is not just "men hatin' on women", no matter what the wannabe dictionary-changers say.

[Altair]

That tweet, of course, is written with the assumption that sexism only runs in one direction, i.e. men being sexist towards women. Just looking at any number of FtB blogs, or the A+theism forum, is incontrovertible evidence that sexism runs both ways. Sexism is not just "men hatin' on women", no matter what the wannabe dictionary-changers say.

I agree completely, but if PZ wanted to be consistent, he either should stay silent on this issue, or refute Not a Dog's ideas.

Yeah, I know PZ and consistent have never been used in the same sentence before.

[AndrewV69]

More from GendeEratic:

http://www.genderratic.com/p/1402/v-lea ... -warlords/

There may also be some posturing regarding who is the biggest victim–which is not about helping people, it’s the female version of a pissing contest. Another common behavior is martyrdom out-maneuvering in which one woman will engage in elaborate and unwanted efforts to ‘help’ others in order to claim the martyrdom high ground and it’s + 50 agility points.

You do realize that you can "test" this hypothysis?

Try reviewing, say the wails of OB "they want to kick me the cunt" AKA the Talking Pune vs the Twatson "rape threats" (that smirk she has on her face is aimed at other women BTW).

For an example of a male socialized into female behaviour, Satar reaching for Tranny/Gay bashing status. And so on. The baboons are a target rich environment if you ask me for testing this sort of behaviour vs the theory(s) proposed concerning agency and power.

[AndrewV69]

@Lusoma, perhaps this is the video you were thinking of?

[youtube]fulDotdSS0Q[/youtube]

[KiwiInOz]

I love technical innovation that can actually be useful in the developing world. Here is an LED lamp that is powered by gravity. How cool is this!

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1671448/a-5 ... wsletter#1

[Gumby]

That tweet, of course, is written with the assumption that sexism only runs in one direction, i.e. men being sexist towards women. Just looking at any number of FtB blogs, or the A+theism forum, is incontrovertible evidence that sexism runs both ways. Sexism is not just "men hatin' on women", no matter what the wannabe dictionary-changers say.

I agree completely, but if PZ wanted to be consistent, he either should stay silent on this issue, or refute Not a Dog's ideas.

Oh I know you and everyone else here knows that. I just facepalm when the ever-moronic FtB/A+ ideologues think otherwise.

Yeah, I know PZ and consistent have never been used in the same sentence before.

Oh, it's easy to use "PZ" and "consistent" in the same sentence.

"Expecting PZ to be consistent is like expecting Half-Fish to inform his sex partner of his HIV-positive status".

See? Nothing to it.

[DataNotDogma]

Ophelia writes about insulting prophets.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -prophets/

Oh right, the first charge fell apart so they dug up something else – “statements critical of Islam and Christianity.” Jeez. I wonder how many centuries in jail I would get if I were in Egypt.

I don't know. She might fit right in. I am fully aware of the difference between jail time and being banned from a blog or whatever, but the tactics seem to be the same.

[sacha]

There are already plenty of men who feel ashamed that being dominant and rough turns them on because they are made to feel ashamed by society, which has succeeded in convincing them that not only is something wrong with them for being sexually aroused by this, but that women, like children, cannot give consent
I'm just glad that I got to experience everything I wanted to try (at least twice) when I was younger, now I want less physical dominance, and more psychological, so I very rarely have any "evidence" left after a particularly enjoyable evening, and I'm very glad that my age preference in men is mid to late 50's, because elder men with more experience are able to read women a hell of a lot better, choose a hell of a lot better, and the men I'm attracted to, not only have a good idea of what sort of person I will be after, but know precisely what will interest me, long before our clothes are shed, and if they ever had any shame about what they like, they lost it years before they met me.

My bold etc. You realize don't you, that you just gave PZ a raging boner?

That is IF, in that video of PZ making poker sex jokes, he was overdoing it pretending the opposite, saying he would submit to having sex with the volunteer. Maybe his real inclinations are quite the opposite to "submitting", and he's all ashamed and extra feminist because of it?

PZ is a submissive/masochist. There is not a chance in hell he can be dominant sexually.

[sacha]

My bold etc. You realize don't you, that you just gave PZ a raging boner?

You know what would surprise me less than anything in this world? Pics surfacing of Myers in a dog collar getting pissed on by a gang of east European whores in school uniforms.

absolutely

[CommanderTuvok]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 845763.jpg

[KiwiInOz]

There are already plenty of men who feel ashamed that being dominant and rough turns them on because they are made to feel ashamed by society, which has succeeded in convincing them that not only is something wrong with them for being sexually aroused by this, but that women, like children, cannot give consent
I'm just glad that I got to experience everything I wanted to try (at least twice) when I was younger, now I want less physical dominance, and more psychological, so I very rarely have any "evidence" left after a particularly enjoyable evening, and I'm very glad that my age preference in men is mid to late 50's, because elder men with more experience are able to read women a hell of a lot better, choose a hell of a lot better, and the men I'm attracted to, not only have a good idea of what sort of person I will be after, but know precisely what will interest me, long before our clothes are shed, and if they ever had any shame about what they like, they lost it years before they met me.

My bold etc. You realize don't you, that you just gave PZ a raging boner?

That is IF, in that video of PZ making poker sex jokes, he was overdoing it pretending the opposite, saying he would submit to having sex with the volunteer. Maybe his real inclinations are quite the opposite to "submitting", and he's all ashamed and extra feminist because of it?

PZ is a submissive/masochist. There is not a chance in hell he can be dominant sexually.

I have him down as more of the bear type.

[Miss O Gynist]

Sigh! Does Phawrongula have a documentation on when PZ Myers said it was okay to joke about women? If it does, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Because I'm pretty sure he (PZ) has said on several occasions that you can't make jokes about women in any capacity if they're to do with sex or whatever, but I can't find a proper quote to pin it on. I blame my Google-fu. Lance Finney on Reap's video about PZ keeps making concessions about PZ's nature even though he seems ignorant about the subject overall, and I can't just leave it open like that. I need to "close" in, so to speak.

He says in the original video that you should not talk this way to your students. Admits its a bad idea. Why is that, if they are over 18?

[Justalurker]

He says in the original video that you should not talk this way to your students. Admits its a bad idea. Why is that, if they are over 18?

Huh? It's a bad idea because of power differential. Teacher:student. Age has nothing to do with it.

[mordacious1]

Oh right, the first charge fell apart so they dug up something else – “statements critical of Islam and Christianity.” Jeez. I wonder how many centuries in jail I would get if I were in Egypt.

Or maybe Saudi Arabia? "Oh, my little bride, let's take off your burka....OH MY FUCKING GOD! PUT IT BACK ON! PUT IT BACK ON!"

[Mykeru]

@Lusoma, perhaps this is the video you were thinking of?

[wootube]fulDotdSS0Q[/wootube]

Or this?

[youtube]KBgcjtE0xrE[/youtube]

[JAB]

He says in the original video that you should not talk this way to your students. Admits its a bad idea. Why is that, if they are over 18?

Huh? It's a bad idea because of power differential. Teacher:student. Age has nothing to do with it.

Likely because at the university he hasn't got control of the process, the harassment office does. Tenure won't protect you from that sort of thing. There is a power differential in the video of him at the conference, but PZ has control of how the incident is perceived by the group as a whole because there are a lot of his adoring fans there who will believe everything he says. Unfortunate for him that it ended up on youtube and people who aren't his followers can judge him. It's one of the reasons he has to make sure to slander us at every turn.

[Mykeru]

He says in the original video that you should not talk this way to your students. Admits its a bad idea. Why is that, if they are over 18?

Huh? It's a bad idea because of power differential. Teacher:student. Age has nothing to do with it.

Likely because at the university he hasn't got control of the process, the harassment office does. Tenure won't protect you from that sort of thing. There is a power differential in the video of him at the conference, but PZ has control of how the incident is perceived by the group as a whole because there are a lot of his adoring fans there who will believe everything he says. Unfortunate for him that it ended up on youtube and people who aren't his followers can judge him. It's one of the reasons he has to make sure to slander us at every turn.

The best part is how utterly hapless he is. To cite a cliche, PZ Meyers couldn't get laid carrying a bunch of bananas in a bonobo whore house.

Still, I wonder how wifey feels, really feels, about the dumb, bearded dumpling toying with the young things.

PZ is a submissive/masochist. There is not a chance in hell he can be dominant sexually.

Speaking of which, how'd you like a ride on my bully pulpit, baby?

[franc]

[JAB]

franc, that's two recent posts where it could be argued that you've added a smilie... if we define it as one of those yellow balls with an emotive face. Are you changing your mind about them?

[Badger3k]

Oolon upset because he was trolling and we ignored him:

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-12-12/#comment-7904

The poor baby. Maybe some more kiddie porn would cheer him up.

Poor wittle oowon. I should attempt to shed a tear.

Wait for it....

Nah. I got nothin'.

Well apparently only four people put him on ignore. Speaking for myself only, I kept hopeing (in vain it turned out) he would say something interestng.

Instead, most of the time all I got was some apparently confused/convoluted thought processes that in the end were not worth responding to.

*shrug*

I was one who put him on ignore. He really didn't have much to say that wasn't full of FTB brown-nosing, in my opinion. I have no patience for people like that.

I guess I'm another, then. I got tired of reading his piss-poor attempts, and having to scroll through them on my iPad. He never said anything I considered valuable or funny, and I could follow the conversation from those who did still try to talk to him (or troll him). Life's short, why waste it with losers?

[Mykeru]

I guess I'm another, then. I got tired of reading his piss-poor attempts, and having to scroll through them on my iPad. He never said anything I considered valuable or funny, and I could follow the conversation from those who did still try to talk to him (or troll him). Life's short, why waste it with losers?

The problem wasn't that Oolon was a troll. Trolls can be quite entertaining. The problem was he was a dull, plodding, pedestrian, boring-assed troll.

[Altair]

franc, that's two recent posts where it could be argued that you've added a smilie... if we define it as one of those yellow balls with an emotive face. Are you changing your mind about them?

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he's been replaced by a cyborg.
We need to ask him something only Franc would know. Maybe about the secret Misogynistic Handshake.

[franc]

franc, that's two recent posts where it could be argued that you've added a smilie... if we define it as one of those yellow balls with an emotive face. Are you changing your mind about them?

PZ must be rubbing off. The second was a sincere present to those who's lives are hollow and sad without cutesy things wriggling on screen.

[HoneyWagon]

Too funny not to share. This just happened
http://i.imgur.com/kdcAB.png

[Altair]

Too funny not to share. This just happened

http://i.imgur.com/kdcAB.png

Fucking unisex nicknames, how do they work? :lol:

[HoneyWagon]

Oh, It keeps getting better

http://i.imgur.com/bMmFt.png

[welch]

Too funny not to share. This just happened
http://i.imgur.com/kdcAB.png

Greg laden: how can such a penis be that continually butthurt?

[HoneyWagon]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 855117.jpg

From one of the posters

[Badger3k]

Someone needs to tell Stefunny that it is never OK to joke about Rape. What's wrong with her - has the patriarchy finally gotten to her?

[Gumby]

franc, that's two recent posts where it could be argued that you've added a smilie... if we define it as one of those yellow balls with an emotive face. Are you changing your mind about them?

PZ must be rubbing off.

Dude. Trigger warning. Please.

[welch]

And now for something completely different: another batch of punkin' pies in da oven. Damn my house smells good

[HoneyWagon]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 855440.jpg

[Altair]

Someone needs to tell Stefunny that it is never OK to joke about Rape. What's wrong with her - has the patriarchy finally gotten to her?

I didn't read her whole post and didn't watch the video, but I have to admit I LOL'ed at this comment:

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[Badger3k]

Someone needs to tell Stefunny that it is never OK to joke about Rape. What's wrong with her - has the patriarchy finally gotten to her?

I didn't read her whole post and didn't watch the video, but I have to admit I LOL'ed at this comment:

comment.PNG

Well, it's apparently true.... LOL.

[JAB]

franc, that's two recent posts where it could be argued that you've added a smilie... if we define it as one of those yellow balls with an emotive face. Are you changing your mind about them?

PZ must be rubbing off. The second was a sincere present to those who's lives are hollow and sad without cutesy things wriggling on screen.

Thanks franc. Nice to know you care.

[Lsuoma]

@Lusoma, perhaps this is the video you were thinking of?

[wootube]fulDotdSS0Q[/wootube]

Or this?

[fooltube]KBgcjtE0xrE[fooltube]

Yep, that's the one.

[franc]

Thanks franc. Nice to know you care.

I do. Have another -

http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 482#p36482

[franc]

Some images for the photoshoppers -

http://www.artofdrink.com/blog/temperan ... -the-1800s

[Pitchguest]

So, er, Physioprof pitches in:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... -feminist/

Seriously, what the fuck is up with this guy? Why does he add extra letters to words? Why does he end most words with an e? :?:

[BarnOwl]

Meanwhile, over at Butthurt & Whingeing:

Isn’t that great? Needlepoint is a girl thing, atheism is a guy thing. Nothing sexist about that! Nothing to see here folks, go on home, take your needlepoint with you.

<snip quote from Justin Vacula>

Apparently Vacula is completely unaware of the many reports of vicious sexism in gaming, and just can’t imagine why WoW attracts a male population. Just one of those quirky things – guys like World of Warcraft, women don’t like being told “tits or GTFO” – isn’t life mysterious and fascinating.
One of the reasons – only one – what Shermer said was so wrongheaded is the fact that it treats the current situation as something that just happened, randomly, somehow, probably because guys do guy things and women do women things. The reality is that the current situation happened partly because women kept being ignored. Women didn’t get invited to speak at conferences, women didn’t get talked to or about, women didn’t get listened to. That situation is improving now, but it’s just clueless to look around vaguely and say “hmm, not many women around,” and conclude that that’s because “it’s a guy thing.”

I'll be the first to admit that I think the (over)reaction to Shermer's statement about the atheist community is ridiculous, and redolent of people who have too much privilege, self-absorption, and time to do anything and everything except actual productive work, but can we stop referring to "guy things" and "girl things" please? Whatever the intent, it has the flavor of oversimplified thinking, and the terminology is reminiscent of one of those annoying 1950s musicals set in some dead-boring US town.

I can't speak for anyone else, but as a straight cis-gendered woman, my life cannot be categorized in terms of "guy things" and "girl things." Nothing I do works in those terms: not research, not teaching, none of my hobbies (knitting, spinning, art journaling, gardening), not my running club, not the equestrian activities, nothing that my students excel or fail at, none of the university committees, none of the community volunteering ... nothing. Nada. Nichts.

[CommanderTuvok]

It's a real Baboon Lulz Hour.

I particulary like how EllenBeth is worried about quote mining, since she is friends with a lot of the Baboons that do that day in, day out.

[John Brown]

So, er, Physioprof pitches in:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... -feminist/

Seriously, what the fuck is up with this guy? Why does he add extra letters to words? Why does he end most words with an e? :?:

I think he probably just plays dumb on the Internet, but I can't prove that. I can't bring myself to believe that a scientist is actually that stupid.

But, it's not really that that matters. Physioprof is a scumbag and if the two of us ever meet in real life, I'm going to put some very uncomfortable questions to him.

It's funny how Ophie is so concerned about people hiding behind pseudonyms, but she gives a complete pass to Physioprof when he makes the absolute worst and most heinous kinds of public smears about a person while hiding behind a fake name.

Seriously. That guy is a pile of garbage.

[CommanderTuvok]

So, er, Physioprof pitches in:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... -feminist/

Seriously, what the fuck is up with this guy? Why does he add extra letters to words? Why does he end most words with an e? :?:

Because's he's a fucking retarde.

[BarnOwl]

So, er, Physioprof pitches in:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... -feminist/

Seriously, what the fuck is up with this guy? Why does he add extra letters to words? Why does he end most words with an e? :?:

Maybe he's trying to erase some of his elitist prep school arsewad privilege with regressive spelling. TBH, I find his motivations to be about as intriguing as those of the 2-cm cockroach that was hanging out on the wall of one of the stairwells at work this morning.

[John Brown]

So, er, Physioprof pitches in:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... -feminist/

Seriously, what the fuck is up with this guy? Why does he add extra letters to words? Why does he end most words with an e? :?:

Maybe he's trying to erase some of his elitist prep school arsewad privilege with regressive spelling. TBH, I find his motivations to be about as intriguing as those of the 2-cm cockroach that was hanging out on the wall of one of the stairwells at work this morning.

I've said it before. He's a socialist hipster. He puts on the rags of the Proletariat when he wants to look cool and impress the chicks, but he's about as Petty Bourgeois as you can get. I have my problems with socialism, but I detest with every fiber of my being socialist weekend warriors.

Fuck him and his proletariat drift.

[BarnOwl]

He puts on the rags of the Proletariat when he wants to look cool and impress the chicks, but he's about as Petty Bourgeois as you can get. I have my problems with socialism, but I detest with every fiber of my being socialist weekend warriors.

Fuck him and his proletariat drift.

And they're only cyber-rags at that.

[justinvacula]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (taking a line from Ophelia)

Ophelia and PZ are reacting to a quick comment I made on a blog earlier whilst on my mobile phone.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -stuff-now

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... girl-thing

PZ didn't even bother to relay my entire post in context (and the original post which I replied to).

http://i.imgur.com/bVKwT.jpg

At least Ophelia linked my comment...

I brought up needlepoint because this is generally not seen as a 'guy thing' meaning that women overwhelmingly, from either perception or actual numbers, participate in needlepoint. I used this example because, as one commenter noted, of Rosey Grier's "Needlepoint for Men." I used some quick throwaway example of something typically thought of as a 'girl thing' because of stereotypes or actual numbers. As I said, there is no effort to stop males from participating in needlepoint, but it just so happens to be the case that there is a lack of males in this activity.

http://i.imgur.com/QhqXJ.jpg

...and PZ + commenters seem really clueless about this alleged "toxic" and "sexist" gamer culture. Fuck that. The women and men I play with in WoW are respected because of their skill and dedication. If you perform poorly, regardless of what you identify as, you will often be ridiculed by others in one way or another. Semi-hardcore and hardcore players like me don't tolerate terrible players. I've been with some terrible random male players (identified because of voice chat) and have seen them ridiculed pretty badly...and that's not evidence of misandry or the like. Oh, look how hostile the environment is to men!!111one No. Just no.

In situations without voice chat, ridicule happens and genders are largely unknown amidst a climate of some males who play female characters (like me) and females who play male characters. It's not TITS OR GTFO, it's perform or GTFO because I take the game seriously and don't want to waste my time with underperforming players.

PZ says "OH NOEZ LOOK AT ARMOR MODELS." So fucking what if female characters have revealing armor? Does PZ really think that women neglect to play a game because of revealing armor? Besides, many women who are NPCs in WoW have major roles within their factions, are seen as strong, and have a great influence on the game's story. Further, the playing field is EQUAL for both male and female characters in the game; there is no disadvantage or advantage for selecting a character's gender or the gameplay itself as far as stats are concerned.

It's too bad Ophelia and PZ seem to jump to the least plausible and highly irrational conclusion of misogyny/sexism concerning almost everything they see in which there isn't a 50/50 split (and, as Shermer mentioned, a lack of a 50/50 split is not necessarily evidence of sexism...and if it is, I suppose Lifetime is a very sexist network). PZ and Ophelia are no better than theists who see faces of Satan in wet bath towels. In fact, they're quite worse in many respects.

#WitchOfTheWeek

Anyway, and on a more important note, I plan on relaying an important announcement concerning some secular activism I am going to be participating in within the next few days - hopefully Monday at the latest. I plan to be featured in local and regional news because of this if all goes well. Meanwhile, PZ can tote his 'activism' of stabbing a cracker and atheism+ still has nothing to contribute as far as I can tell. Good on them.

[KarlVonMox]

PhysioProffe says:

This is why it simply does not compute to them that context matters and that it makes a difference who you say something to, when you say it to them, where you say it, and why you are saying it.

A yes, context. That magical word that these clowns ill-define and can take to mean whatever they want, whenever they want. So apparently Elevatorguy didn't have the appropriate context to ask someone he didn't know for coffee in an elevator, but PZ has it when he asks a woman he doesn't know for sex on a stage in front of an audience and continues to make lewd remarks. Makes sense?

Really, what this is a smokescreen. Any awkward situation with a person they PERSONALLY don't like, they can deem it as lacking in appropriate "context" and thus evidence of misogyny. An identical situation with someone they like, its no problem. So we are expected to just accept this double standard, then somehow be able to read minds and know exactly what the other person is thinking before even bringing up dating, sex, or asking for a phone number. Absurd to the max.

[Pitchguest]

Haha, I can easily say that Elsa's blog on Destructoid is fast becoming my favourite gaming blog. This post in particular sailed the point home,

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Elsa/h ... 5634.phtml

Hahahaha! Love it.

[ERV]

Hehehe.

My family didnt force any kind of gender stereotypes on Bro and I. I loved construction sets and hated dolls, bro loved to bake (he would make the treats I brought to class for my birthdays in school), we did gender-neutral sports like golf and bowling. Mom taught us both how to knit (and we both sucked at it). One of my grandmothers taught us both how to sew. She also taught me needlepoint, specifically, crewel, and I loved it (teaching partners girls how to do it now!). Bro wasnt interested.

OH MAH GAWD MY PARENTS WERE SEXIST!!!!!

[Mykeru]

[minge]http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 855117.jpg[/minge]

From one of the posters

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8364/8271 ... 11b6_z.jpg

[Altair]

Haha, I can easily say that Elsa's blog on Destructoid is fast becoming my favourite gaming blog. This post in particular sailed the point home,

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Elsa/h ... 5634.phtml

Hahahaha! Love it.

It's a very good post, and I really like her writing style. Following a link on her sidebar, I found another interesting post which is related to PZ's comment that said

Vacula is wrong. The player base is deeply, profoundly sexist, and the designers also perpetuate stereotypes. You can see this in the armor: the very same set of armor can be worn by a male or female: on the male it’s a massive chunk of defensive gear; on the female, strangely, the midriff disappears to leave the stomach bare, and the leggings turn into a skimpy bikini bottom plus an oval plate on the thighs.

I've been playing Dragon Age: Origins and loving it, but I have a deep, dark secret... I kind of miss my chainmail bikini! Yeah... chainmail bikinis... those scanty, sexy outfits we female characters get to wear in most western RPG's that are at all fantasy based.

I have to admit that I have a love/hate relationship with my chainmail bikini. There's something very liberating about prancing through the countryside slaying various beasts and critters while attired as a Dominatrix, but on a larger level it bothers me a bit. Mostly it's an immersion issue. Being an "actual, real-live female" I KNOW that there is no way you can run through the forests wearing 3" heels.

(...)

Reality also intercedes with the whole "boob" thing. Any woman with a C cup or more knows that it's painful to run braless. You have to strap those puppies down... pushing them up just creates the potential for two black eyes

(...)

Weather also plays an immersion role. I can't help but be taken completely out of a game when I see my scantily clad siren skipping through a white winter wonderland in practically no clothing. Brrrrrr!!

(...)

there are times when I want to slip into Morrigan's outfit and be a little more feminine and sexy (unfortunately I can't steal her outfit... I tried!). I guess that while it's nice to feel that sense of power and immersion by being dressed for the occasion appropriately, in a body that could be a real life female... there are still times when wearing a chainmail bikini is kind of fun.

So here we have a MAN that claims that scantily clad women and skimpy armor and outfits are viciously sexist and objectifying for WOMEN, and on the other side we have a WOMAN who enjoys having her characters dress like that and who raises some rather mild objections that have to do mainly with practicality (she also has some objections related to body image, in which she acknowledges that the issues affect both men and women).

PZ, Y U NO LISTEN TO WOMEN?

[fascination]

Hey everyone! It's been almost a week since I last posted. I had been feeling sick and I thought it was just the flu. Well, it turns out that I am pregnant. My husband is ecstatic. I'm still getting used to the idea. I have been feeling pretty shitty so I may not be on here very much for awhile. Hopefully I'll start feeling better soon. I'm going to try to catch up with all these posts I haven't read now...

[mordacious1]

I used to sew and knit when I was younger with my mom. I also did most of the cooking and cleaning around the house. My sister only did female stuff (when she wanted to which wasn't often) and my brother was always the macho dude. I think it made me more independent. I can rebuild an engine, kill someone with my bare hands (picked that skill up later in the military) and I've also made quilts and some of my own clothes. My wife loves my cooking and the kids know that I am by far the better cook in the house. When my mom died young (49), I ended up taking over all the "housewife" responsibilities, my dad, brother and sister were all useless. I lived on my own for quite a while and all these skills came in handy. I think gender roles suck.

[Altair]

Hey everyone! It's been almost a week since I last posted. I had been feeling sick and I thought it was just the flu. Well, it turns out that I am pregnant. My husband is ecstatic. I'm still getting used to the idea. I have been feeling pretty shitty so I may not be on here very much for awhile. Hopefully I'll start feeling better soon. I'm going to try to catch up with all these posts I haven't read now...

Congratulations, fascination! I hope the sickness will go away soon.

Just try not to go barefoot while you're pregnant, or you'll give a heart attack to a lot of SJW's :mrgreen: