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[fascination]

Hi, TheMudbrooker here.
I'm a Laborer by trade, that means I've done about everything related to construction at one time or another, but mainly I lay pipe on a water and sewer crew. The trouble is work has been slow these last few years and I kinda miss spending my days knee-deep in raw sewage. So when that guy over in Minnesota, whatshisname...that fella that kills all those little fish, said The Slymepit was a cesspit of unspeakable filth I thought to myself "Fuck yeah, sign me up! It'll be like old home week".

You know what I found when I got here?

Nary a floating turd, used tampon or whiff of hydrogen sulfide.

What a fucking rip-off. Of course it's my own damned fault, I know better than to listen to anybody that lives on the wrong side of the crick. :doh:

Welcome to the Pit Mudbrooker! So, you like to "lay pipe" do you?

[Pagancat]

What about a theistic moderator. Someone with no dog in the hunt. I don't mean VenomfangX or shackofghawd, but one of the semi-intelligent ones.


No one's coming to mind just now, but I'm sure I can find one.....

Is DonExodus still on YouTube? He's an intelligent Theist. If you can't find a Theist, you can ask Concordance from YouTube to moderate. He's pretty neutral on this whole thing.

His channels still up but he hasn't posted anything for about a year. How about theowarner?

[16bitheretic]

What about a theistic moderator. Someone with no dog in the hunt. I don't mean VenomfangX or shackofghawd, but one of the semi-intelligent ones.


No one's coming to mind just now, but I'm sure I can find one.....

Is DonExodus still on YouTube? He's an intelligent Theist. If you can't find a Theist, you can ask Concordance from YouTube to moderate. He's pretty neutral on this whole thing.

I think the most likely candidates for new media atheists of note who could be reasonably accepted by both sides to moderate anything between the opposing camps are probably David Smalley (Dogma Debate) or Seth Andrews (Thinking Atheist). Both these guys have friends on either side of "the rift" and manage to have people from either side on their podcasts without being attacked by the other side.

[Steersman]

....
However, in passing, I might recommend to all and sundry, on both sides of the fence – more to one side than the other, Michael Shermer’s The Believing Brain which describes that process rather well. A central theme is his hypothesis that we all, to a greater or lesser extent, pick our beliefs first – with very little thought involved – and then search for “facts” to support them. As he puts it:

In fact, research now overwhelmingly demonstrates that most of our moral decisions are grounded in automatic moral feelings rather than deliberatively rational calculations. We do not reason our way to a moral decision by carefully weighing the evidence for and against; instead, we make intuitive leaps to moral decisions and then rationalize the snap decision after the fact with rational reasons. [pg 237]

Which shows some problematic similarities with religious fundamentalists ….

You are suggesting that we read a book by know 'misogynist' Michael Shermer?

Why...why...you misogynist you!!!! No doubt that book is just a guide on how to hate women!!

:-)

Practically the kiss-of-death in some quarters, isn’t it?

But that is one of my pet peeves about FfTBs (a term which earned me a ban at Greta Christina’s place), i.e., the refusal to provide any evidence for that charge against Shermer. If that “meeting-of-minds” ever gets off the ground, I would hope that that question would be front-and-center as exhibit A of some egregious dogma on the part of FfTB.

But, in passing, curious – as someone commented on here earlier – that RagingBee rather pointedly suggested that Michael Heath was having “mental problems” for his spirited criticism of Benson for peddling that charge ….

[Zenspace]

So after at least of week of attempting to get myself unbanned over at A+, without any response or even a full reason why I was permanently banned, I figured there is no reason to not "out" myself here. I had been lurking here for a while, but realized I couldn't see some of the (presumably) amusing images as a lurker so I signed up. Initially I thought it best not to use the same handle, less be permabanned places simply by being a member here, but I give zero fucks about that anymore. Anyhow, I posted over at A+ as kbonn, and once in a while posted over at FtB.

*high five*!

I remember you!

(wind here)

hahaha Has the Slymepit now become the safe space that Aplussers retreat to after getting harangued at A+?

Irony, anyone?

Welcome kbonn / Remick!

The Slymepit ends up becoming the real Safe Place instead of A+ ?!?!?! That is really, really going to screw with someone's narrative! :lol:

[DeepInsideYourMind]

What about a theistic moderator. Someone with no dog in the hunt. I don't mean VenomfangX or shackofghawd, but one of the semi-intelligent ones.


No one's coming to mind just now, but I'm sure I can find one.....

Is DonExodus still on YouTube? He's an intelligent Theist. If you can't find a Theist, you can ask Concordance from YouTube to moderate. He's pretty neutral on this whole thing.

Actually Concordance's comments on A+ pretty much confirm he is a long long long way from the A+ viewpoint, possibly even further away than many here

[fascination]

Also they tried to drag the Jref and TAM through the mud (and DJ Grothe). They were indirectly going after James Randi by doing that. Randi is the biggest face of skepticism in the US.

Just to give one horrendous example, here is one of Greta's threads wherein her false statements leads to the assertion that DJ covers up sex crimes: http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... ment-76611

Note to Greta and FtB: You are playing host to libel. Real, genuine, no shit, utterly baseless, fact-free libel. Not sweary words like "cunt" or "cock" but actual, no kidding, legally actionable defamation. You are at Grothe's mercy the moment he decides to lawyer up.

Yeah, I read that thread long ago. I read some of the comments again from your link and I found this gem by Ophelia Benson:

Name very much named on that FB thread. The guy is running for Congress in Connecticut. “Hi, vote for me, I stick a camera up women’s skirts!”

She mentions that Monopod guy was outed on the FB thread so everyone can go there to find out his real name. Then she repeats the claim of taking upskirt photos as if it were fact when it was unproven at that time. It turns out that the man in question hadn't been taking upskirt pictures at all. No one calls her out on any of this shit!!

[another lurker]

....
However, in passing, I might recommend to all and sundry, on both sides of the fence – more to one side than the other, Michael Shermer’s The Believing Brain which describes that process rather well. A central theme is his hypothesis that we all, to a greater or lesser extent, pick our beliefs first – with very little thought involved – and then search for “facts” to support them. As he puts it:

In fact, research now overwhelmingly demonstrates that most of our moral decisions are grounded in automatic moral feelings rather than deliberatively rational calculations. We do not reason our way to a moral decision by carefully weighing the evidence for and against; instead, we make intuitive leaps to moral decisions and then rationalize the snap decision after the fact with rational reasons. [pg 237]

Which shows some problematic similarities with religious fundamentalists ….

You are suggesting that we read a book by know 'misogynist' Michael Shermer?

Why...why...you misogynist you!!!! No doubt that book is just a guide on how to hate women!!

:-)

Practically the kiss-of-death in some quarters, isn’t it?

But that is one of my pet peeves about FfTBs (a term which earned me a ban at Greta Christina’s place), i.e., the refusal to provide any evidence for that charge against Shermer. If that “meeting-of-minds” ever gets off the ground, I would hope that that question would be front-and-center as exhibit A of some egregious dogma on the part of FfTB.

But, in passing, curious – as someone commented on here earlier – that RagingBee rather pointedly suggested that Michael Heath was having “mental problems” for his spirited criticism of Benson for peddling that charge ….

someone mentioned 'defamation' in relation to dj grothe, but the reality is, they have seriously defamed a *lot* of people. And they are only getting away with it b/c those people are not taking them to court over it.

[Submariner]

What about a theistic moderator. Someone with no dog in the hunt. I don't mean VenomfangX or shackofghawd, but one of the semi-intelligent ones.


No one's coming to mind just now, but I'm sure I can find one.....

Is DonExodus still on YouTube? He's an intelligent Theist. If you can't find a Theist, you can ask Concordance from YouTube to moderate. He's pretty neutral on this whole thing.

I think the most likely candidates for new media atheists of note who could be reasonably accepted by both sides to moderate anything between the opposing camps are probably David Smalley (Dogma Debate) or Seth Andrews (Thinking Atheist). Both these guys have friends on either side of "the rift" and manage to have people from either side on their podcasts without being attacked by the other side.

Doesn't that give those guys too much to lose, though? Would either even consider it?

[incognito]

I wonder which team would protest more over Dinesh D'Souza?

lol

[fascination]

In my last post the second paragraph should have had quotation marks around it. That whole paragraph was Benson's quote. I shouldn't post on my phone with a toddler laying on me.

[another lurker]

incognito, I just sent you an unsolicited PM

I forgot to put on my rape hate when I did it though:(

[fascination]

No one's coming to mind just now, but I'm sure I can find one.....

Is DonExodus still on YouTube? He's an intelligent Theist. If you can't find a Theist, you can ask Concordance from YouTube to moderate. He's pretty neutral on this whole thing.

Actually Concordance's comments on A+ pretty much confirm he is a long long long way from the A+ viewpoint, possibly even further away than many here

[/quote]
Concordance is for moderate harrasment policies at conferences and is still friendly with PZ Myers and Thuderf00t though.

[fascination]

Fuck, I messed up the quotes in my last post. Sorry! I just won't post until I can get my daughter up from her nap.

[Cunning Punt]

I am searching for something to show to incognito, and I came across this in the process, so, I will share it:

215
strange gods before me ॐ

31 December 2012 at 2:22 pm (UTC -6)

windy joined the pit.

(or was that question “whatever happened, such that windy would join the pit?”)

217
strange gods before me ॐ

31 December 2012 at 2:33 pm (UTC -6)

Yeah, I don’t really know why. My gut impression was that the reason was “people at Pharyngula are too mean, and this thread at ERV’s is a convenient place to complain about that.” But I don’t remember any particularly explicit this is why I left Pharyngula comment.

221
ChasCPeterson

31 December 2012 at 6:05 pm (UTC -6)

windy ws a direct casualty of the Elevator Wars of 2011. She joined the ‘pit early, when it represented (to her, I think) Team Dawkins vs. Team Radfem. I believe she rejects what she sees as the local brand of feminisms’s emphasis on victimization and she’s offended by the perceived infantilization of women inherent in what considers Schrodinger’s-rapist paranoia. (I say this because at the time she expressed specific unhappiness with some comments I made (over there) about crossing the street to pre-empt a potentially anxious situation for somebody else. It pissed her off.)

222
ChasCPeterson

31 December 2012 at 6:06 pm (UTC -6)

I should add that she was also unhappy about aspects of the local commetariat.

starts here: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-524239
ends here: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-524312

They're confusing wind with Windy. Silly billies.

[KiwiInOz]

The Patriarchy at Work. http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/bl ... 2do2k.html

[Apples]

Welcome to the Pit Mudbrooker! So, you like to "lay pipe" do you?

You beat me to it :D

Mudbrooker here's a welcome basket -
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/126/36664 ... 074415.jpg

and just to make you feel at home...
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/ ... _cover.jpg

[BannedAid]

[quote=damion]Offhand, here are just a few possibilities for consideration…

Resolved: Strong sexual harassment policies are necessary for skeptical conferences to achieve their stated goals.

Resolved: Sexual harassment policies are unlikely to be abused by conference organisers to further their own ideological or personal ends.

Resolved: Just as atheism is the logical result of applying skepticism to theism, feminism is the logical result of properly applying skepticism to the patriarchy.

Resolved: Western culture is pervaded with subtle social mechanisms that perpetuate male dominance to this day.

Resolved: Western culture is a rape culture.

Resolved: Atheism Plus has demonstrated the morality and efficacy of combining social justice with skepticism.[/quote]

Having thought it over, I would add to that (along with Jimthepleb's suggestion "Are women underrepresented in the A/S community")--

-A culture of harassment of women and sexism pervades the A/S community.

-Liberal values and policy positions, and only liberal values and policy positions, are logically required by atheism.

-Skepticism of feminist theories is appropriate and helpful to the cause of human rights.

-The A/S movement should have a specific political outlook, and dissenters should not be welcome to join.

The "heal the rift" talk is nonsense, but a debate would be productive, imo. We'd crush them, and everyone could finally move on. Not sure how much ground Barbara Drescher really shares with the slymepit, but if she would agree to debate any of the propositions, she would be my first choice. Realistically, though, the best we can hope for is convincing a few pharyngulites/a+ers to leave the herd for a bit for some commenter-on-commenter action. I don't think anything formal needs to be set up. Don't know if this could be done, but open up a moderated thread, find some poor schmuck willing to sit around a few hours a day and delete personal attacks from both sides, and listen to the serene music of the crickets while we wait for one of them to be willing to debate.

*hope you don't mind me de-leeting your nick. It's kind of a bitch to type. whoops, misogyny.

[BannedAid]

forgot the fucking quotation marks in the quote, sorry.

[another lurker]

cunning punt: they were talking about windy there, not wind. check the dates.

[d4m10n]

*hope you don't mind me de-leeting your nick. It's kind of a bitch to type. whoops, misogyny.

Please, call me Damion. The nick is an old holdover, too many forums to change it now.

[Cunning Punt]

I wonder which team would protest more over Dinesh D'Souza?

lol

Oh, you're good. :handgestures-salute:

[incognito]

I wonder which team would protest more over Dinesh D'Souza?

lol

Oh, you're good. :handgestures-salute:

Thanks! I can't stop goggling, trying to imagine how that debate would go. I would totally pay to see it, though.

[TheMudbrooker]

Hi, TheMudbrooker here.
I'm a Laborer by trade, that means I've done about everything related to construction at one time or another, but mainly I lay pipe on a water and sewer crew. The trouble is work has been slow these last few years and I kinda miss spending my days knee-deep in raw sewage. So when that guy over in Minnesota, whatshisname...that fella that kills all those little fish, said The Slymepit was a cesspit of unspeakable filth I thought to myself "Fuck yeah, sign me up! It'll be like old home week".

You know what I found when I got here?

Nary a floating turd, used tampon or whiff of hydrogen sulfide.

What a fucking rip-off. Of course it's my own damned fault, I know better than to listen to anybody that lives on the wrong side of the crick. :doh:

Welcome to the Pit Mudbrooker! So, you like to "lay pipe" do you?

Oh my yes. It's dirty as hell and it gets pretty physical at times, but it's really a fairly simple procedure. First, you install a rubber and lube it up good. Then you carefully line up the spigot end of your pipe so the rubber doesn't roll out and cause a leak. After that, you grab your five-foot Johnson bar, stab it in the ground a few times to get a good bite, take your bar in both hands, put a little ass behind it and slam the pipe home till it bottoms out. I'll save explaining the proper use a a whacker for another time.
The wages and benefits are good, but mostly I do it for the double entendres.

[AndrewV69]

The Slymepit ends up becoming the real Safe Place instead of A+ ?!?!?! That is really, really going to screw with someone's narrative! :lol:

*sigh*

I am already self censoring.

For example I cancelled a post where I joked and said stuff like:

Oh do not worry about being stalked. If you do get concerned all you have to do is go to a window and say something. I am right outside.

*gloomy*

[surreptitious57]

I am not sure atheism is a movement

I am not sure most atheists care about this rift

Who died and made you grand Poo of what Responsible Atheists should do

What if someone would be interested in debate simply out of curiosity about how it could go

Ideological opposites ? How ?

Like Israel and Palestine ? Hyperbole much ?

There are more but I am bored now

I really mean the online atheist community as they are more active or appear to be anyway

You are probably right on that but is that in and of itself a reason to do nothing though

I accept responsibility for my words but none for how anyone interprets them

Wonderful idea but shame we appear to be in a minority on that one now

Why did Catherine ban you from ever posting over at Atheism Plus

Fair cop but it was spontaneous and so just came into me head

I am not a mindreader unfortunately so you have to tell me

[Lsuoma]

Perhaps we need an APA (A Plussers Anonymous) thread?

[incognito]

I am not sure atheism is a movement

I am not sure most atheists care about this rift

Who died and made you grand Poo of what Responsible Atheists should do

What if someone would be interested in debate simply out of curiosity about how it could go

Ideological opposites ? How ?

Like Israel and Palestine ? Hyperbole much ?

There are more but I am bored now

I really mean the online atheist community as they are more active or appear to be anyway

You are probably right on that but is that in and of itself a reason to do nothing though

I accept responsibility for my words but none for how anyone interprets them

Wonderful idea but shame we appear to be in a minority on that one now

Why did Catherine ban you from ever posting over at Atheism Plus

Fair cop but it was spontaneous and so just came into me head

I am not a mindreader unfortunately so you have to tell me

I didn't know I was banned.

What other thing do you want me to tell you?

[TheMudbrooker]

Welcome to the Pit Mudbrooker! So, you like to "lay pipe" do you?

You beat me to it :D

Mudbrooker here's a welcome basket -
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/126/36664 ... 074415.jpg
Nice snake.
and just to make you feel at home...
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/ ... _cover.jpg

In the water and sewer industry we still get to call that a manhole, thankfully, the attempt to rename it a "personell access structure" failed miserably.

[sacha]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

[Cunning Punt]

I wonder which team would protest more over Dinesh D'Souza?

lol

Oh, you're good. :handgestures-salute:

Thanks! I can't stop goggling, trying to imagine how that debate would go. I would totally pay to see it, though.

His wife could be timekeeper, and his fiancé could do the video and audio recording.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Oh my yes. It's dirty as hell and it gets pretty physical at times, but it's really a fairly simple procedure. First, you install a rubber and lube it up good. Then you carefully line up the spigot end of your pipe so the rubber doesn't roll out and cause a leak. After that, you grab your five-foot Johnson bar, stab it in the ground a few times to get a good bite, take your bar in both hands, put a little ass behind it and slam the pipe home till it bottoms out.

Fap, fap, fap.

[surreptitious57]

There are two main approaches

The accomodationist one, for which the outcome reigns supreme even at the expense of honesty

The absolutist one, for which the truth reigns supreme irrespective of any short term damage to fee fees

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp too me old china

This is the first time you have posted something of any value now so well done you

[fascination]

Welcome to the Pit Mudbrooker! So, you like to "lay pipe" do you?

Oh my yes. It's dirty as hell and it gets pretty physical at times, but it's really a fairly simple procedure. First, you install a rubber and lube it up good. Then you carefully line up the spigot end of your pipe so the rubber doesn't roll out and cause a leak. After that, you grab your five-foot Johnson bar, stab it in the ground a few times to get a good bite, take your bar in both hands, put a little ass behind it and slam the pipe home till it bottoms out. I'll save explaining the proper use a a whacker for another time.
The wages and benefits are good, but mostly I do it for the double entendres.

My panties are soaked ;)

[Mr Danksworth]

My recent post on Zvan’s site which is, not suprisingly, “awaiting moderation” [and waiting and waiting …]:

Methinks you’re engaging in some egregious “four legs good; two legs bad” in making it a precondition that anyone to be involved in healing those “deep rifts” has to “leave the slime pit behind”. In addition, the implication that there is no one there “who acts as though any of us have a point” is simply poisoning the well as I at least, among others, have frequently conceded the contrary – for which I have received no small amount of flak, although no banning.

But that is not to mention that that precondition is decidedly unrealistic – what do you expect? An oath of allegiance to FTB and Gender Feminism plus some ritual spitting on Evolutionary Psychology? Seems to me that those issues are substantially or significantly the bones of contention generating those “rifts”, not some peripheral questions about the seating arrangements.

One might suggest, as a starting point, a drawing up of a list on each side followed by a determination of which items are in common. Non-negotiable ultimatums hardly seem to qualify.

Agreed. Putting ultimatums before laying out real terms is putting the cart before the horse. Have these people never actually been in a negotiation/mediation. Ultimatums are the final draw. They are used only when a point has to be forced.

[justinvacula]

The fundraiser launched to help send me to the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference has reached its goal thanks to 24 generous donors who, in total, contributed $1500 with 28 days remaining for the project!

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013 ... -goal-met/

Thanks to all of those whom Stephanie Zvan apparently wants me to renounce...helping to send the 'wrong man' to the Women in Secularism 2 conference can surely now be added to list of horrible things about this community/forum.

[another lurker]

There are two main approaches

The accomodationist one, for which the outcome reigns supreme even at the expense of honesty

The absolutist one, for which the truth reigns supreme irrespective of any short term damage to fee fees

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp too me old china

This is the first time you have posted something of any value now so well done you

Oh my! Looking down our nose at someone, are we!

[robr]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

Git is correct. Mark Chu-Carroll wrote about this on his blog Good Math, Bad Math a couple of years back. There's even a wikipedia entry for it, here.

*shrug* Thought it was common knowledge.


First Post!

'Sup pit... Fuck Off.

[d4m10n]

The fundraiser launched to help send me to the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference has reached its goal thanks to 24 generous donors who, in total, contributed $1500 with 28 days remaining for the project!

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013 ... -goal-met/

Thanks to all of those whom Stephanie Zvan apparently wants me to renounce...helping to send the 'wrong man' to the Women in Secularism 2 conference can surely now be added to list of horrible things about this community/forum.

:popcorn:

Have a great time. Say hello to everyone for me, and do thank the CFI folks for resisting the urge to ban you for daring to disagree with some of the speakers, some of the time, on some of the forums.

[Submariner]

The fundraiser launched to help send me to the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference has reached its goal thanks to 24 generous donors who, in total, contributed $1500 with 28 days remaining for the project!

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013 ... -goal-met/

Thanks to all of those whom Stephanie Zvan apparently wants me to renounce...helping to send the 'wrong man' to the Women in Secularism 2 conference can surely now be added to list of horrible things about this community/forum.

Justin , I'm sure I speak for many here who just want to say to you....

either grow that thing out or shave it the fuck off. Seriously, my 17 yr old daughter has a better moustache.

Oh and congrats and all that. Fuck off.

[Lurkion]

S.E. Cupp is either an elaborate troll, or a complete moron. "Oh yes, I am an atheist, I just think that we NEED religion to help keep the moral fabric of our society together. Oh, and Coastal elites are ruining this country, nevermind that I am one."

Oh I dunno but I think I can see where he is coming from. We do need something to keep the morons in check.

What better way to do it than to foster the belief that a supernatural being that you can not see is watching your every move? That way the morons will police themselves.

Or perhaps not:
[youtube]DRUNK WOMAN PISSING HERSELF ON A CRUISE[/youtube]

WTF, andrew. Why post that?

[incognito]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

Git is correct. Mark Chu-Carroll wrote about this on his blog Good Math, Bad Math a couple of years back. There's even a wikipedia entry for it, here.

*shrug* Thought it was common knowledge.


First Post!

'Sup pit... Fuck Off.

A noob! Yay!

Fuck off!

:)

[free thoughtpolice]

The moderator for the great summit to smooth the Atheist Rift; Judge Judy!

[TheMan]

The Patriarchy at Work. http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/bl ... 2do2k.html

From the article:

In her new book Liberate Leadership, Suzanne Mercier writes that some of the difficulties faced by women in the workplace can be attributed to the different criteria by which they’re judged. So much is expected of them – both at home and at work – and this creates a fear of failure or, conversely, a fear of success.

in Caitlin Moran's book "How to be a Woman" she makes a similar observation but she extends that to imply that men do this to each other too...as do women v other women. Caitlin's conclusion is that therefore it's not a gender related harrasment, though sometimes it is...but more about a judgement of normalacy.... if you are in some way don't fit into the cookie cutter pattern of what's normal for a Man or a Woman you WILL be harrased. The in-group rules and dictates what is normal.

[TheMan]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

Git is correct. Mark Chu-Carroll wrote about this on his blog Good Math, Bad Math a couple of years back. There's even a wikipedia entry for it, here.

*shrug* Thought it was common knowledge.


First Post!

'Sup pit... Fuck Off.

A noob! Yay!

Fuck off!

:)

OI! you need a minimum of 100 posts and have written a 10,000 word essay on emoticons before you can tell newbs to fuck off.... :)

[TheMudbrooker]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

Git is correct. Mark Chu-Carroll wrote about this on his blog Good Math, Bad Math a couple of years back. There's even a wikipedia entry for it, here.

*shrug* Thought it was common knowledge.




First Post!

'Sup pit... Fuck Off.

Greetings fellow noob!
Now fuck off.

[Michael K Gray]

This is the first time you have posted something of any value now so well done you

Fuck off you unctuous cunt.

[incognito]

I just learned a new word.

unc·tu·ous
/ˈəNG(k)CHo͞oəs/
Adjective
(of a person) Excessively or ingratiatingly flattering; oily: "anxious to please in an unctuous way".
(chiefly of minerals) Having a greasy or soapy feel.
Synonyms
oily - greasy - oleaginous

[AndrewV69]

The Patriarchy at Work. http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/bl ... 2do2k.html

This matches my experience in that a lot of women over the years have told me the same thing. A lot of women behave like dicks. Not news at all.

In a British poll published in HR Magazine’s December issue, women were asked whether they’d prefer their boss to be male or female. Those who preferred a bloke outnumbered those who wanted a woman by six to one. Another survey, conducted last year by the Workplace Bullying Institute in the US, found most of the bullying that females experience is inflicted not by men but by other women.

I remember one female supervisor was notorious for keeping a box of kleenex on her desk, because invariably any woman leaving her office was in tears and clutching one.

Eventually she got breast cancer. I do not recall anyone passing around a get-well card or doing a collection for flowers while she was in hospital. I can not recall if anyone attended her funeral either.

Oh well, live like a dick, die like one I suppose.

[TheMan]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

Git is correct. Mark Chu-Carroll wrote about this on his blog Good Math, Bad Math a couple of years back. There's even a wikipedia entry for it, here.

*shrug* Thought it was common knowledge.


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'Sup pit... Fuck Off.

An interesting article Good Math, Bad Math...thanks for bringin it to my attention....

[surreptitious57]

There are two main approaches

The accomodationist one, for which the outcome reigns supreme

The absolutist one, for which the truth reigns supreme

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp too me old china

This is the first time you have posted something of any value now so well done you

Looking down our nose at someone, are we

Oh what a wonderful imagination you possess there dear lurker

[sacha]

The clueless white woman was profoundly stupid in how she forced herself on that Muslim couple. I mean wow, just wow! It's fine to disapprove, but fuck, 'getting all up' in their faces is just plain rude!

I find it telling - not to mention amusing - how she immediately assumed the woman was in an oppressive relationship with her husband, without once considering that any other dynamic could be in play. For all she knew, the guy could have had a backbreaking day at work, and the wife volunteered to deal with the shopping; or maybe she was the one with the power, and had told hubby to keep the kids out of the way while she sorted out the groceries. But no - for a patronsing, middle-class honky eager to score an SJW no-prize, the apparently muslim woman was clearly being oppressed by a religious patriarchy, and would no doubt be so grateful to be helped out by a snooty, condescending twat feminist sister like her.

White Guilt

"They don't know what is good for them - we know better". The point isn't to make the lives of anyone easier, except for the whites themselves. Deciding what needs to be done, and how it needs to be done is based upon reducing as much White Guilt as possible, so they can feel better about themselves.
The minorities are no better off after all is said and done, but the whites are able to sleep at night.

http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 631#p51631

[Mr Danksworth]

I am not sure atheism is a movement

I am not sure most atheists care about this rift

Who died and made you grand Poo of what Responsible Atheists should do

What if someone would be interested in debate simply out of curiosity about how it could go

Ideological opposites ? How ?

Like Israel and Palestine ? Hyperbole much ?

There are more but I am bored now

I really mean the online atheist community as they are more active or appear to be anyway

You are probably right on that but is that in and of itself a reason to do nothing though

I accept responsibility for my words but none for how anyone interprets them

Wonderful idea but shame we appear to be in a minority on that one now

Why did Catherine ban you from ever posting over at Atheism Plus

Fair cop but it was spontaneous and so just came into me head

I am not a mindreader unfortunately so you have to tell me

I didn't know I was banned.

What other thing do you want me to tell you?

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[CommanderTuvok]

Just to give one horrendous example, here is one of Greta's threads wherein her false statements leads to the assertion that DJ covers up sex crimes: http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... ment-76611

Note to Greta and FtB: You are playing host to libel. Real, genuine, no shit, utterly baseless, fact-free libel. Not sweary words like "cunt" or "cock" but actual, no kidding, legally actionable defamation. You are at Grothe's mercy the moment he decides to lawyer up.

They are like religious nuts and conspiracy theorists. They have a line they like to wheel out and they use it over and over again. They think if they keep repeating it, it will become fact. A bit like a 9/11 troofer who repeatedly tells us "sheeple" no wreckage of a plane was found at the Pentagon. No matter how many times you politely correct them, they come back with the same line, Ray Comfort style. With regard to the Baboons using this tactic, I assume it is intellectual dishonesty rather than sheer stupidity. But it is hard to tell.

[AndrewV69]

WTF, andrew. Why post that?

Because I thought it was a very good example of someone who truly does not give a fuck. Drunk or not, who does that sort of thing?

[CommanderTuvok]

The next great schism is going to be over Justin Vacula's 'tache

[comslave]

-Liberal values and policy positions, and only liberal values and policy positions, are logically required by atheism.

I hope this comes from a poe. this has to be satire. No one can be this dumb.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[birdterrifier]

Incidentally, whilst one can stop being a religious Jew, one is still a ethnic Jew. Hence Jewish atheists, for example.

not always. I know "Jewish" people who are atheists and their parents were atheists, and they have no ties to Jewish culture/ethnicity. They see that "ethnic Jew" thing as offensive. Like PoC.

Jewish identity is so fucking confusing. I took a class called "The Anthropology of Jewishness" which I thought perfectly explained how difficult a subject they are.

[comslave]

Speaking of epic mustaches, Ron Jeremy is currently in the hospital after heart surgery. I think all the pitters should go over to the CNN message board and wish him a speedy recovery.


http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/31 ... ?hpt=hp_t3

(partly because it would make Ophie's head explode)

[ReneeHendricks]

So many new people. Hello to you all!

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Misogynists!