Bunkspubble!

[bhoytony]

I didn't like it at first either, but it grew on me. For instance, he used to make genius comics like these,

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2896
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2721
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2931
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2987
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3022

This next one is one of my favourites (after you've read the comic since the start, it's a really sweet and endearing strip, not to mention it shows a development of the characters)

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3099

Since "The Sisterhood" was introduced, their development has instead regressed. Dullsville. Anyway, enough about Sinfest.

Ugh! Those were so cheesy I almost boaked.

[Tigzy]

Have to say, it is a joy watching the Nerd app re-running its subroutines without the Noelplum error-handling code getting in the way. It's like witnessing the birthing pangs of a very shit version of Skynet as it almost, but not quite, attains a vague modicum of self-awareness.

[cunt]

6

Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
10 February 2013 at 8:44 am (UTC -6)
Jim never seemed to grasp the difference between dissenting unevidenced opinions, and evidence backed opinions. The former was his total argument. It is the argument for the MRA types. Essentially, “listen to me, me, me; my opinion of me is so great, you should recognize me greatness and agree with what me say.” Argument from ego. It seem to be prevalent among the video crowd and the Slymepitters. This isn’t dissent in the intellectual sense, and falls under Christopher Hitchens “that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”.

Intellectual dissent starts with “this is what I believe, and this (link) is the evidence to support this conclusion”. Here Jim failed. He couldn’t come up with the real evidence to support his claims (for example, that the Slymepitters had something cogent, that is supported by evidence, to say and should be listened to), and his constant ego trips “look at and listen to me, me, me” was abrasive. Real evidenced dissent was and is discussed. But there is a certain tiredness on the part of the horde when well refuted nonsense is repeated in tag-team fashion.

Nerd Of Redhead, in all sincerity asked noelplum99 to evidence his claim that he'd (noel) previously rejected the position that, I dunno, "bitches aren't shit", or something. When provided with video evidence, Nerd flat out refused to watch it and demanded a peer reviewed study. Hypothesis, he's an absolute fucking cunt.

[Gumby]

6

Nerd of Redhead, Dances OM Trolls
10 February 2013 at 8:44 am (UTC -6)
Jim never seemed to grasp the difference between dissenting unevidenced opinions, and evidence backed opinions. The former was his total argument. It is the argument for the MRA types. Essentially, “listen to me, me, me; my opinion of me is so great, you should recognize me greatness and agree with what me say.” Argument from ego. It seem to be prevalent among the video crowd and the Slymepitters. This isn’t dissent in the intellectual sense, and falls under Christopher Hitchens “that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”.

Intellectual dissent starts with “this is what I believe, and this (link) is the evidence to support this conclusion”. Here Jim failed. He couldn’t come up with the real evidence to support his claims (for example, that the Slymepitters had something cogent, that is supported by evidence, to say and should be listened to), and his constant ego trips “look at and listen to me, me, me” was abrasive. Real evidenced dissent was and is discussed. But there is a certain tiredness on the part of the horde when well refuted nonsense is repeated in tag-team fashion.

Nerd Of Redhead, in all sincerity asked noelplum99 to evidence his claim that he'd (noel) previously rejected the position that, I dunno, "bitches aren't shit", or something. When provided with video evidence, Nerd flat out refused to watch it and demanded a peer reviewed study. Hypothesis, he's an absolute fucking cunt.

Yep. Nerd (and the others) can make entirely unfounded, evidence-free, emotionally-charged accusations against others, and then demand of the accused volumes of irrefutable scientific evidence to clear themselves.

I accuse you of being a witch. Prove you're not a witch!
You're a non-Christian. Prove you don't hate Jesus!
You don't subscribe to my brand of feminism. Prove you're not a woman-beater!

Fuck all these smug, brainless, dogpiling assholes.

[Apples]

In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

[Gefan]

Fucking Finland. Great people, but the climate kills me. After a few years there I went into full-fledged depression, which lifted only when I moved out.

How can you not love a country that produces this?

[youtube]ZGsUfImawKo[/youtube]

[Jan Steen]

PZ Myers (paraphrased): The teachings of Chairman Mao are irrefutable. Those who come here to argue with these teachings are fascist scum who will be taken care of by the Red Guards.

[bhoytony]

In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

Don't worry, Setar will be all over this using what he self-described as "my amazing intellectual abilities".

Any minute now.

[Gefan]

http://e.asset.soup.io/asset/0947/1742_1544_450.jpeg

Good quote, but she stole it from this woman:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QPYh2tlcChA/S ... april1.jpg

April "Big Red" Hunter.

[EdwardGemmer]

PZ's reply on that was interesting. If you filter out all the PZ language, he basically admits there is no dissent because his commenters can't handle it, and they were there first, and he doesn't like a lot of squabbling on his website. That's a step towards honesty, at least.

[katamari Damassi]

Three Word Phrase, Perry Bible Fellowship and sometimes Achewood. <- good webcomics

Yeah sorry but Sinfest looks lame.
Perry Bible Fellowship has always been one of my favorites:
Also love Tom the Dancing Bug.

[Gefan]

New adventures in Baboonery.

Ellen Beth Wachs is now apparently screen-capping all the insults to her, currently accumulating in the comments thread for Mykeru's latest update (see below)

[youtube]GtULe18AwHo[/youtube]

LOLsuit ahoy?

I'd encourage keeping her busy in front of the computer to prevent her from further embarrassing herself and the rest of the species the next time she ventures out in public . However, there are those poor cats of hers to consider. Are they getting cared for properly as Florida's loopiest Laura Schlesinger impersonator descends ever further into the abyss?
Oh, then there's the small matter of an alleged domestic violence problem in Ellen Beth's past... :popcorn:

[Lsuoma]

I didn't like it at first either, but it grew on me. For instance, he used to make genius comics like these,

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2896
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2721
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2931
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2987
http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3022

This next one is one of my favourites (after you've read the comic since the start, it's a really sweet and endearing strip, not to mention it shows a development of the characters)

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3099

Since "The Sisterhood" was introduced, their development has instead regressed. Dullsville. Anyway, enough about Sinfest.

Ugh! Those were so cheesy I almost boaked.

Yep. Add sub-Calvin and Hobbes to sub-Bloom County. It appears that my (and your) tastes are very different to PG's.

[another lurker]

Fucking Finland. Great people, but the climate kills me. After a few years there I went into full-fledged depression, which lifted only when I moved out.

How can you not love a country that produces this?

snip

Monty Python's Finland song:

[youtube]7rwc3VGvlRY[/youtube]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

LICD, LFG, C&H, Oglaf, XKCD...

[decius]

Help me to caption this one, please. It may find an application addressing "ableist language", self-diagnosed conditions, actual morons and mental cripples, etc.

pinocchio.png

(32.31 KiB) Downloaded 310 times

[Altair]

LICD, LFG, C&H, Oglaf, XKCD...

SMBC is good too.

[jimthepleb]

PZ Myers (paraphrased): The teachings of Chairman Mao are irrefutable. Those who come here to argue with these teachings are fascist scum who will be taken care of by the Red Guards.

Listened to this fascinating radio piece on Orwells politics from the Spanish civil war through the 2nd world war, many many phrases relating to his loathing of totalitarianism jumped at me as pertinent to our friendly hand-wringers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qhb8b

[jimthepleb]

Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

[Cunning Punt]

On the subject of redheads, I just realized that Renee has the same last name as this lady. Could it be? Are they related?

[AbsurdWalls]

In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics?

Relevant

[Altair]

Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

These people are desperate to find something to be offended by.

Marcos Caceres ‏@marcosc

@ActuaryByDay @swanderyck how does her being a woman add any information?
Details

I would say giving us the gender of the human being in question is adding information, but what do I know, I'm not an SJW.

I do love Dawkins' exasperated reaction:

Richard Dawkins ‏@RichardDawkins

@vix_lamb Oh PLEASE. It wasn't BECAUSE she was a woman. She HAPPENED to be a woman. Should I have called her a man, lest I be called sexist?

[Submariner]

Really, the key to PZ's ramblings is this:

PZ said:

There are no rational grounds, no context for reasonable dissent, for being anti-feminist, for instance, or denying that our culture is deeply patriarchal and sexist. ... Because really, how do you express “reasonable dissent” from the view that women are people, and that our society institutionalizes discrimination of all sorts?

:doh:

So, PZ, you are saying that there can be NO reasonable dissent, because you consider anyone not in line with your views to be "anti-feminist" (ABSOLUTELY NOT FUCKING TRUE), and in your view if anyone thinks that there's as not as much patriarchal sexism in (presumably U.S.) culture as you amp it up to be, they are being "unreasonable". Really? Everything is that black-and-white to you? Also, dumbfuck cultist, people who disagree with you DO NOT THINK WOMEN AREN'T PEOPLE.

http://transitionculture.org/wp-content ... awman1.jpg

Actually, PZ and his troop (pride, gaggle, herd?) are arguing that women are superior to people or that non-women are not people.

1. Don't threaten and/or harass women. I'm just going to talk about threats for brevity here. "Threats" seem to have a different meaning than I'm used to. "I'm know where you live and I'm going to beat the shit out of you" is a threat. "Someone should kick your ass" is not a treat. Most of the so called "rape threats" have been of the later variety, ie "somone should rape you". So if we use FfTB criteria for what constitutes a threat, the many (apparently acceptable ) threats of violence against men " Die in a fire" type comments, imply that either threatening people (men) is OK, or that men aren't people and can thus be threatened with impunity.

2. Listen to the women. When people (men) bring a claim, they are required to provide evidence of the claim and then the evidence is weighed to determine if it meets the criteria of sound evidence, and if it supports the claim as the claimant says it does. When women bring a claim and evidence is asked for, shouts of misogyny and listen to the women deride the person asking for evidence. So either some people don't need evidence, just a personal feeling (special people), or men have a different burden of evidence because they are not people.

It's what many have been saying for a long time PZ, and it is summed up quite nicely by the pit's new motto: The Radical Notion That Women Are People AND Adults. You don't get to have one without the other.

Someone please help me find the FTB violence archive to annotate this post.

[Git]

LICD, LFG, C&H, Oglaf, XKCD...

SMBC is good too.

Order of the Stick also.

[Gumby]

Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Don't worry, I spanked him but good.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 3ec700.jpg

[Apples]

Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics?

I believe that was Flewellyn, though I don't have the link. Hyperdeath is actually, I believe, a Ph.D theoretical physicist. http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/ Which makes it all the more surprising that he oversees the A+ shitshow. Actually, I sort of suspect he realizes folks like Flewellyn and Ceepolk are a bit nuts but also realizes he doesn't have good potential replacements (Setar? Kassiane?). The fact that hyperdeath banned rocko for leaving a link to his 'secret forum' dramatic reading at the Capricious Mods thread - without hiding or deleting the link - fascinates me. It's still there.

[AbsurdWalls]

In which hyperdeath probably overestimates the intelligence of his flock:

Despite mathematics being in this subforum's remit, we've had very little of it. Therefore...

Which equations or identities* do you find most interesting:

I'm fascinated by the Navier-Stokes equation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/f/e/ ... dd5e66.png
It's basically force = mass x acceleration for a continuous medium, but it allows for so much complexity.

*I just know that someone's going to bring up that e, pi, i, 1 and 0 thing, which is technically an identity.

No responses yet from the resident social justice brainiacs. I'm particularly interested to know what Setar and Grimalkin have to say about this, since the Navier–Stokes equations describe the motion of [gender]fluid substances.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3920

Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics? < CORRECTION, DIFFERENT MOD

Relevant

[Gumby]

Might be misremembering this, but would that be the same hyperdeath who straight-up banned somebody for trying to correct his shitty understanding of mathematics?

Yeah, I believe so, but who knows where the post would be in that morass of emo-speak.

[Gumby]

Ok, so I'm rong...

[AndrewV69]

I wouldn't waste my time if I were you unless you are a fan of deliberately abstruse dry literary critique.

I saw this too late. But in any event, I am not so sure I share your opinion wholeheartedly. Some of it I found very amusing. For example:
http://www.lawrence.edu/dept/english/co ... rmacy.html

Having made that observation, he turns to the notion that words must themselves have fathers. (This is the notion that he is discussing at the top of page 77.) Before long, he returns to Socrates, noting Socrates's claim that the relationship between spoken words and their "fathers" is more direct, more immediate, than the "miserable" relationship between written texts and their authors (77). (To see Socrates is getting at, just consider the differences between a lecture and a handout like this one. See why Socrates might liken the handout to an orphan? Its "father" is nowhere to be found. While it's struggling to be understood, he's home watching SportsCenter.)

LMAO.

I am afraid though that I was laughing about the author being "playful" and his attempt at humour is I find, pretty humorous itself (not that I consider myself a wit either). To each his own I suppose. So the author was having fun, and I had fun reading what he considers fun. In the end though I was reminded of the following by Achamian :

"No. Nothing so crude as that. You would be dismayed, Esmi, to know the way caprice and vanity distort the intellect. Men ever cast themselves into labyrinths of thinking, not to lose themselves in the pursuit of truth, but to hide their self-interest in subtleties and so make noble their crassest desires. Thus does avarice become charity, and vengeance, justice."
~ The White-Luck Warrior by R. Scott Bakker

Which is probably a bit mean spirited on my part. I should not without clear evidence, ascribe the above to the author. It is probably more of an apt description of the baboons.

It was indeed a reference to Athena but nothing more that as a reference to the kind of Goddess worship which is the opposite of a Priapic Cult, but equally as obsessed about their genitals.

Well the Goddess I would have chosen for them is Kali, not Athena but I believe I get where you are coming from.

[CommanderTuvok]

[youtube]bUhLIjlTNSk[/youtube]

[decius]

The level of obtuse entitlement and butt-hurt constantly is extreme, in Dawkins's feed. His mistake is that he apologises too often.

[JackSkeptic]

Really, the key to PZ's ramblings is this:

PZ said:

There are no rational grounds, no context for reasonable dissent, for being anti-feminist, for instance, or denying that our culture is deeply patriarchal and sexist. ... Because really, how do you express “reasonable dissent” from the view that women are people, and that our society institutionalizes discrimination of all sorts?

:doh:

So, PZ, you are saying that there can be NO reasonable dissent, because you consider anyone not in line with your views to be "anti-feminist" (ABSOLUTELY NOT FUCKING TRUE), and in your view if anyone thinks that there's as not as much patriarchal sexism in (presumably U.S.) culture as you amp it up to be, they are being "unreasonable". Really? Everything is that black-and-white to you? Also, dumbfuck cultist, people who disagree with you DO NOT THINK WOMEN AREN'T PEOPLE.

http://transitionculture.org/wp-content ... awman1.jpg

Actually, PZ and his troop (pride, gaggle, herd?) are arguing that women are superior to people or that non-women are not people.

1. Don't threaten and/or harass women. I'm just going to talk about threats for brevity here. "Threats" seem to have a different meaning than I'm used to. "I'm know where you live and I'm going to beat the shit out of you" is a threat. "Someone should kick your ass" is not a treat. Most of the so called "rape threats" have been of the later variety, ie "somone should rape you". So if we use FfTB criteria for what constitutes a threat, the many (apparently acceptable ) threats of violence against men " Die in a fire" type comments, imply that either threatening people (men) is OK, or that men aren't people and can thus be threatened with impunity.

2. Listen to the women. When people (men) bring a claim, they are required to provide evidence of the claim and then the evidence is weighed to determine if it meets the criteria of sound evidence, and if it supports the claim as the claimant says it does. When women bring a claim and evidence is asked for, shouts of misogyny and listen to the women deride the person asking for evidence. So either some people don't need evidence, just a personal feeling (special people), or men have a different burden of evidence because they are not people.

It's what many have been saying for a long time PZ, and it is summed up quite nicely by the pit's new motto: The Radical Notion That Women Are People AND Adults. You don't get to have one without the other.

Someone please help me find the FTB violence archive to annotate this post.

Buying into the existence of a Patriarchy and then making the massive error this applies to most men is a classic case of ignoring logical fallacies, namely Ad Hominem. FtB/A+ is a study in what happens when such logical fallacies are routinely ignored. That's why their posts appear to outsiders like myself little different in style to an extreme religious group.

They break the very rules of rational debate and thought many of us have been fighting for for years. That's why I have no real issue with their beliefs but rather have a big issue with how they choose to express those beliefs and have the audacity to assume others would naturally agree with them.

They will not accept the kickback is due to this rather than 'misogamists' fighting against their narrative. They require delusion to keep going and that is apparent in many of their posts and the way they routinely misrepresent people and try and hide behind a wall of censorship.

If they had an evidenced based, rational argument I would not have an issue with them at all, in fact I would be in agreement with them. Because that's what rationalists do, we follow the evidence not accept some concept and simplify accept it as fact. They have failed time and again to provide such evidence.

[AbsurdWalls]

Ok, so here's a question:

There is a food factory in Ireland that produces a variety of meat products. Two of those are:

1) "beef" burgers, which are 75% of the factory's output
2) "beef" lasagnes, which are 15% of the factory's output

The output of the factory is tested by the food standards agency. Recently there has been a wave of products which were contaminated by horse meat. Of the contaminated products found, 60% were burgers and 20% were lasagnes. Assuming that every product is tested and that those tests are 100% effective, what is the probability of each product containing horse meat?

[Zenspace]

Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Fortunately, the lone idiot gets good pushback from the bulk of the other tweeters (?). The silly (derailing!) protest comes from a guy no less. Must be one of them there 'gender traitors' I've heard about.

[JackSkeptic]

I misspelt Misogynist and 'simply', damn my privilege.

[Tigzy]

Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Aaand...Rebecca Watson just flooshed!

[JackSkeptic]

Dawkins under fire for describing a woman as histrionic.
:o
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/stat ... 3713736704
bad richard :naughty:

Fortunately, the lone idiot gets good pushback from the bulk of the other tweeters (?). The silly (derailing!) protest comes from a guy no less. Must be one of them there 'gender traitors' I've heard about.

It's really irritating how these people try and thought police everyone and often end up disrupting the flow of a conversation. Subtle nuance and context are beyond them.

[AbsurdWalls]

Ok, so here's a question:

There is a food factory in Ireland that produces a variety of meat products. Two of those are:

1) "beef" burgers, which are 75% of the factory's output
2) "beef" lasagnes, which are 15% of the factory's output

The output of the factory is tested by the food standards agency. Recently there has been a wave of products which were contaminated by horse meat. Of the contaminated products found, 60% were burgers and 20% were lasagnes. Assuming that every product is tested and that those tests are 100% effective, what is the probability of each product containing horse meat?

Ah, you can't actually solve that without the probability that any one product is horse, but let's instead assume we want to express it in terms of P(horse).

[CommanderTuvok]

Ahhhh, McWrong is butthurt. This is usually the Black Svan line about Dawkins being a bit sarcastic or critical in his tweets. Although they can never quite put their finger on what, exactly. Naturally, these are the same people who complain when people examine their tweets.

http://i.imgur.com/gqTtQPk.jpg

As Svan says, McWrong, don't let the pushback get you down. That's why we will continie to monitor and take the shit out of your moronic tweets and views. Works both ways, you stupid wankstain.

[AbsurdWalls]

Ahhhh, McWrong is butthurt. This is usually the Black Svan line about Dawkins being a bit sarcastic or critical in his tweets. Although they can never quite put their finger on what, exactly. Naturally, these are the same people who complain when people examine their tweets.

http://i.imgur.com/gqTtQPk.jpg

As Svan says, McWrong, don't let the pushback get you down. That's why we will continie to monitor and take the shit out of your moronic tweets and views. Works both ways, you stupid wankstain.

Does she not realise tweeting that is passive aggressive, or does she just not care about being a hypocrite?

[CommanderTuvok]

Does she not realise tweeting that is passive aggressive, or does she just not care about being a hypocrite?

No, because it is different rulez for them.

[Git]

I believe the canonical text for exposing pomo bollocks is "How To Deconstruct Almost Anything - My Postmodern Adventure" at:

http://www.fudco.com/chip/deconstr.html

written by the legendary (and legendarily named) Chip Morningstar

[CommanderTuvok]

Further, with regard to that tweet from McWrong, it shows just how much of a persecution complex they have. Dawkins hardly ever mentions any of these "social justice warriors" McWrong seems to suggest he is having a go at.

I'd love them to back their stupid tweets with evidence - just for once!

[mordacious1]

by Skep tickle » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:59 am • [Post 16]

mordacious1 wrote:
I thought Renee was promoting breast exam self screening...which is a good thing btw.

While there may be wonderful reasons to palpate the breasts in one's vicinity, breast self-exam (BSE) for screening isn't one of them.

You certainly shouldn't take women's health advice from me. I was the one in high school that spread the rumor that swallowing sperm cured acne.

[Richard Dworkins]

@Andrewv69.

Ah I thought you meant you were going to read Derrida's text.

Your quote from R. Scot Bakker (I've never heard of him) does seem apt. However I'd suggest there is a certain personality to which such applies and I think this personality type are so self absorbed and self righteous that they are detrimental no matter what their pet cause or ideology is. A good friend of mine calls them "The Never-wrongs" I prefer Certainists. It is a phase of adolescence that they have never had to socially develop beyond.

[bhoytony]

You certainly shouldn't take women's health advice from me. I was the one in high school that spread the rumor that swallowing sperm cured acne.

Have your spots cleared up?

[ReneeHendricks]

On the subject of redheads, I just realized that Renee has the same last name as this lady. Could it be? Are they related?

Ah, if only. She is freakin' hot. I aspire to be that hot :D

[Richard Dworkins]

I believe the canonical text for exposing pomo bollocks is "How To Deconstruct Almost Anything - My Postmodern Adventure" at:

http://www.fudco.com/chip/deconstr.html

written by the legendary (and legendarily named) Chip Morningstar

Yes that is excellent and very similar to the sort of deliberate prolix and casuistry which I've encountered. Peacock tails, it's not even disguising mundane information in complex ways, it is mostly just noise that sounds clever.

[Pitchguest]

Jesus fucking Christ, I spontaneously groaned when I read this,



*GROAN*

[mordacious1]

bhoytony

Have your spots cleared up?

Luckily we didn't have anyone clever enough to come back with that response, Frank Zappa had already graduated (go Antelopes).

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Ok, so here's a question:

There is a food factory in Ireland that produces a variety of meat products. Two of those are:

1) "beef" burgers, which are 75% of the factory's output
2) "beef" lasagnes, which are 15% of the factory's output

The output of the factory is tested by the food standards agency. Recently there has been a wave of products which were contaminated by horse meat. Of the contaminated products found, 60% were burgers and 20% were lasagnes. Assuming that every product is tested and that those tests are 100% effective, what is the probability of each product containing horse meat?

Depends. Catholic or Protestant horse meat?

[AndrewV69]

So Finally got around to reading the OB post here:

And in Sweden
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... in-sweden/ and following the links I eventually wound up at http://www.thelocal.se No surprise there.

Perhaps one of our Swedish residents can weigh in on what I see as "pushback". I would be interested in seeing if their opinion matches my understanding, that in recent years this extreme reaction to the narrative has racheted up in intensity.

To tell the truth I have been expecting some sort of extreme reaction from Sweden for some time now. In fact, I was genuinely surprised that Norway beat them to it with Anders Breivik.

(Which shows just how much I know actually.)

[Apples]

PZ pwns a commenter in the NoelPlum thread:

While I don’t fully hold the position that he is wrong, it can be legitimately, politely, and rationally argued that our society is not ‘deeply patriarchal and sexist’, or at least not overly so.

I’d call you a Martian for being so oblivious, except that I think a Martian would look at our society and see the dichotomy in mores and behavior between two otherwise relatively indistinguishable bipedal primates as a real and interesting fact of human culture.

May I suggest you acquaint yourself with one obvious example?

While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.

And that’s a recent improvement in equality.

We could also mention that there are NO black senators. Are you going to argue that American society is not deeply racist, too?

Well, actually PZ, I believe there are 77 women in the House and 20 in the Senate, but who cares about being accurate or up-to-date when you're trying to make a point? And Senator Tim Scott looks black to me, but maybe he doesn't count because he's a Republican appointed by Nikki Haley.

Given that 90% of blacks in this country are Democrats and about half the Senate is Republican, according to your theory on the Senate side it's the Democratic Party that is most obviously "deeply racist" -- since they in theory have a much deeper slate of possible candidates -- by a factor of 9 or so. If 1.3% of the country is black Republicans and around 11.7% of the country is black Democrats and you believe there should be proportional representation by race, then you'd expect around one black Republican Senator and at least ten black Democrat Senators. Fun with statistics.

The Martians might also be puzzled that such a 'deeply racist' country just re-elected a black President presiding over one of the weakest economies in living memory.

The thing about PZ is that, even when he has a point, he argues for it so sloppily and poorly that he undermines whatever merits might exist in his position.

[Altair]

http://www.freezepage.com/1360524406OAWJRUGSZM : In which Ophelia shows us a new form of oppression

Brilliant. Someone has scheduled a “Secular Leaders Summit” in Los Angeles for…May 17th.

(An email is included which ends with the following)

Due to available space we ask you limit your representatives to two per group.

Please save the date, bring your best practices and ideas for the future.

Lunch will be provided.

I like that “please save the date.” Dude (it is a dude), I did save the date. A long time ago. I did save the date, for a conference that’s already scheduled. Save the date yourself, bro. (Hint: there are some secular leaders attending that already-scheduled conference. Quite a few of them.)

This was in a mass emailing from someone I don’t know; I don’t see anything about it online yet. I wonder if they’ll figure it out and change the date. Or perhaps it was deliberate.

I didn't quite get what the problem was until one of the comments stated that the Women in Secularism conference will be held from may 17 to may 19.
So these dudes (nice touch using "dude" and "bro", Ophelia) are committing the terrible sin of ... organizing their conference on a day someone else has a conference. The WiS conference is so important, you see, that every other secular activity must be cancelled during the may 17-19 period, it doesn't matter if you are located in another city or don't even know about the WiS. They should have googled to find out if something was happening in another city on the day they want to meet.

The last jab is also nice, "Perhaps it was deliberate". She's onto us, guys. The idea of having our super-seekrit patriarchy meeting while the wimmenz were busy in their nice little conference was good, but it didn't work :roll:

[AndrewV69]

Nerd Of Redhead, in all sincerity asked noelplum99 to evidence his claim that he'd (noel) previously rejected the position that, I dunno, "bitches aren't shit", or something. When provided with video evidence, Nerd flat out refused to watch it and demanded a peer reviewed study. Hypothesis, he's an absolute fucking cunt.

Well, I see it as a commonality. Quite apart from Louis apparently demanding evidence from one side while apparently not requiring the same from "his" side, I believe you do not have to look too far to see examples of this type of behaviour in other individuals no matter where or which side they sit on.

The hypocrisy of course in this case is pretty obvious to us. I doubt that Nerd is introspective enough to see that he has different standards of evidence depending on who and whom. Or perhaps he does, but merely defends "his" side come hell or high water.

I am also sure that Steersman, if anyone could possibly show us an example of us doing the same. Not that I can recall any of us doing it, though "love is blind" may have something to do with it.

[BarnOwl]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 2d0d9f.png

Narcissistic assholes and their privileged, indolent, all-expenses-paid conference-attending lifestyles.

[Submariner]

PZ pwns a commenter in the NoelPlum thread:

While I don’t fully hold the position that he is wrong, it can be legitimately, politely, and rationally argued that our society is not ‘deeply patriarchal and sexist’, or at least not overly so.

I’d call you a Martian for being so oblivious, except that I think a Martian would look at our society and see the dichotomy in mores and behavior between two otherwise relatively indistinguishable bipedal primates as a real and interesting fact of human culture.

May I suggest you acquaint yourself with one obvious example?

While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.

And that’s a recent improvement in equality.

We could also mention that there are NO black senators. Are you going to argue that American society is not deeply racist, too?

Well, actually PZ, I believe there are 77 women in the House and 20 in the Senate, but who cares about being accurate or up-to-date when you're trying to make a point? And Senator Tim Scott looks black to me, but maybe he doesn't count because he's a Republican appointed by Nikki Haley.

Given that 90% of blacks in this country are Democrats and about half the Senate is Republican, according to your theory on the Senate side it's the Democratic Party that is most obviously "deeply racist" -- since they in theory have a much deeper slate of possible candidates -- by a factor of 9 or so. If 1.3% of the country is black Republicans and around 11.7% of the country is black Democrats and you believe there should be proportional representation by race, then you'd expect around one black Republican Senator and at least ten black Democrat Senators. Fun with statistics.

The Martians might also be puzzled that such a 'deeply racist' country just re-elected a black President presiding over one of the weakest economies in living memory.

The thing about PZ is that, even when he has a point, he argues for it so sloppily and poorly that he undermines whatever merits might exist in his position.

The Martian might also notice that we bipeds allow 13 times as many of one group to die at work than the other, 10-12 times as many of that group to die in combat as the other, 5-6 times the number of that group to suicide than the other,...shall I go on? It certainly is a privilege to be female, you don't have to die nearly as much or as early in life, but please PZ, do go on.

Asshat.

[Zenspace]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 2d0d9f.png

Narcissistic assholes and their privileged, indolent, all-expenses-paid conference-attending lifestyles.

That is a telling (and a bit funny) exchange if you understand 'corporate speak'. OB, on the other hand, is just grubbing for a free trip.

[Submariner]

Additionally it should be pointed out to PeZus, that women have had the vote for 92 years and they make up a true majority of the population in the US. If the numbers of women in Congress is indicative of anything, it's that most women vote for the best candidate just like men do and not on the basis of that candidates gender, race, or hair color.