Okay, we're more or less on the same page, then. Dmitry Orlov and James Howard Kunstler both make this point, even if it's somewhat tangential to their broader argument re the unsustainable current economic order. Once surpluses evaporate and industrial society crumbles, gender egalitarianism is toast.AndrewV69 wrote:Not an "Islam takes over" argument but a symbolic allusion of what I think is likely to happen when women find their rights effectively rolled back due to economic conditions.Gefan wrote:Andrew, can you outline the process by which you think we'll get to that point? Is it an "Islam takes over" argument, or something else?AndrewV69 wrote: ...If not, well in around 80 years, women are all going to be wearing burkas. I think there is a strong probability that this will happen (or perhaps not, some systems are remarkably resilient to change once they are established)...
Ask people in the USSR what the difference is between the laws on the books and the economic reality that most people there live in. Or you could ask the Greeks. I am sure you can think of other places.
The laws might be on the books but good luck enforcing them when the economics preclude sustainability.
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Van is a control freak. She displays the patterns of behaviour associated with that personality type repeatedly. The only way to deal with a control freak is to deny them any avenue to convince themselves they are still exercising a measure of control.
If it was up to me i'd reply to shufflies absurd "earmarking" dollars, with "thanks but no thanks, toodaloo". CFI of course won't do that, they'll continue to take any money she wants to throw at them, that's what a good business does.
If it was up to me i'd reply to shufflies absurd "earmarking" dollars, with "thanks but no thanks, toodaloo". CFI of course won't do that, they'll continue to take any money she wants to throw at them, that's what a good business does.
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Just finished. Going to review my notes for spelling tomorrow and file them.cunt wrote:I forgot you had aspergers actually and anyway, "half-joking". The other half is that I do genuinely think you might get some benefit from watching the documentary.AndrewV69 wrote:You said that to an aspie!!!! Ye Ghods and little fishes!cunt wrote:No, I said he especially should watch it, but I was half-joking.
(what a cunt)
It was not bad. Nothing new I am afraid though. Not even this:
I think they should have spent much more time on the really sad cases of the kids in care.49:11 case number called. First reads out she is 37. Pause. He is 37 .. and they all smile.
(*shrug* they are all serious when the victim is female and are amused when the victim is a 37 year old male)
Good night all. Way past my bed time.
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No offence, but that's just the aspergers. They aren't smiling because it turns out they've got the case of a 37 year old man, they're smiling to reassure the woman who made the mistake. It's their way of acknowledging it without seeming hostile.AndrewV69 wrote: Just finished. Going to review my notes for spelling tomorrow and file them.
It was not bad. Nothing new I am afraid though. Not even this:49:11 case number called. First reads out she is 37. Pause. He is 37 .. and they all smile.
(*shrug* they are all serious when the victim is female and are amused when the victim is a 37 year old male)
Glad you liked it anyway.
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That reminds of the Seinfeld episode where George is seen naked and gets all upset because they saw him just after he swam in cold water, causing his parts to, erm, minimize. :lol:Zenspace wrote::lol: Well, on some NY subways you might just fit right in!Scented Nectar wrote:Will that give me a warm breeze even in winter? I don't like skirts much, but I do like plaid.Zenspace wrote:Hence the appeal of my kilt. :mrgreen:Scented Nectar wrote:Hahahahahahahaha, they call it a "lady garden"!!! I haven't heard that one in a long long time. :lol:
If the book cover is anything to go by, the secret is to keep it breezy around one's nether regions. My balcony will do fine from spring to fall, but winter's going to be a bitch!
Hey wait! I've got it! In winter I can keep my old lady garden happy by sitting spread eagle in front of a heating duct. Not on the subway though. I must remember, NOT on the heated subway cars, not on the subway... on the subway.
I'll pass on the kilt in winter! There is such a thing as too much fresh air! A subject that never seems to come up in polite conversations within the winter mountaineering community is the effect of prolonged sub-zero temperatures on the male nether regions. Fortunately the, ...erm..., minimizing effect of extreme cold is temporary and everything returns to normal with the return of more typical temperatures, but it can be quite the shock for the new and uninitiated! :o
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A quick surreptitious tug usually restores things back manly levels.Scented Nectar wrote:
That reminds of the Seinfeld episode where George is seen naked and gets all upset because they saw him just after he swam in cold water, causing his parts to, erm, minimize. :lol:
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Does that mean Rebecca Watson is now going to actually have to pay for all the gallons of hooch she's going to guzzle at their little non-skeptic's party?Voryn wrote:http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
Skepticon drops CFI sponsorship. I've never viewed their ledgers to see how much they contributed, but I'd guess it was a sizable amount, and everything helps for a free conference. The FTB antics are now damaging something that people I care about work very hard to keep running, and that pisses me off. I think they are largely ignorant of a lot that goes on with the FTB, but wouldn't go as far as to say they've drank the kool-aid. FTB has always taken a large speaking volume at Skepticon, but Skepticon might just have to change its name to FTBWastsoncon at this rate :(
So much disingenuous butthurt, all because the head of a skeptical organization had the utter gall to suggest that silencing people with phrases like "check your privilege" and "shut up and listen" has the effect of diminishing skepticism. I'm sure CFI is just soooo devastated by the dismissal from a bunch of self-serving agenda-driven drama whores who left skepticism a long time ago.
They're trying to punish CFI by cutting off their own noses, and I think that's just hilarious.
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http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12069413 ... ,075,f.jpgTheMan wrote:A quick surreptitious tug usually restores things back manly levels.
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That's your desktop wallpaper isn't it..... toot toot!Michael K Gray wrote:http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12069413 ... ,075,f.jpgTheMan wrote:A quick surreptitious tug usually restores things back manly levels.
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I think I'm getting a case of Prosopagnosia, at least I'm beginning to have difficulty telling the difference between the Two Pauls, Myers, and Elam.
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Gumby wrote:Does that mean Rebecca Watson is now going to actually have to pay for all the gallons of hooch she's going to guzzle at their little non-skeptic's party?Voryn wrote:http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
Skepticon drops CFI sponsorship. I've never viewed their ledgers to see how much they contributed, but I'd guess it was a sizable amount, and everything helps for a free conference. The FTB antics are now damaging something that people I care about work very hard to keep running, and that pisses me off. I think they are largely ignorant of a lot that goes on with the FTB, but wouldn't go as far as to say they've drank the kool-aid. FTB has always taken a large speaking volume at Skepticon, but Skepticon might just have to change its name to FTBWastsoncon at this rate :(
So much disingenuous butthurt, all because the head of a skeptical organization had the utter gall to suggest that silencing people with phrases like "check your privilege" and "shut up and listen" has the effect of diminishing skepticism. I'm sure CFI is just soooo devastated by the dismissal from a bunch of self-serving agenda-driven drama whores who left skepticism a long time ago.
They're trying to punish CFI by cutting off their own noses, and I think that's just hilarious.
Well...Bye!We here at Skepticon HQ love our movement. We love that we don’t always agree, are wicked smart and have a penchant for awesome hats.
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I think that Lindsay Sensei has, via a Zen-like Haiku, delivered an accurately targeted meme-grenade into the pathetically useless third, the "B" Ark, the telephone sanitisers, the of the CSI's audience.
The "A Ark" was supposed to contain leaders, the "C Ark" to contain workers, and the "B Ark" to contain annoying dysfunctional parasites.
It is working far better than he could have expected!
Those who thrive on petty selfish power-games rather than actual real-world kind and benevolent empowering of those who deserve such are the exact category of freeloading cancer that he is trying to excise from CFI.
Ron Lindsay: The B Ark is full, and is ready to leave the planet as planned.
Well done, sir.
Col0n as the utterly clueless Captain of the Star Shit GargleFrenchman, blissfully unaware that the whole SJW vessel is about the crash-land in the distant past:
[youtube]CSid-p0Xlk0[/youtube]
The "A Ark" was supposed to contain leaders, the "C Ark" to contain workers, and the "B Ark" to contain annoying dysfunctional parasites.
It is working far better than he could have expected!
Those who thrive on petty selfish power-games rather than actual real-world kind and benevolent empowering of those who deserve such are the exact category of freeloading cancer that he is trying to excise from CFI.
Ron Lindsay: The B Ark is full, and is ready to leave the planet as planned.
Well done, sir.
Col0n as the utterly clueless Captain of the Star Shit GargleFrenchman, blissfully unaware that the whole SJW vessel is about the crash-land in the distant past:
[youtube]CSid-p0Xlk0[/youtube]
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How did you hack my laptop? Or should I ask Greg Laden?TheMan wrote:That's your desktop wallpaper isn't it..... toot toot!
Thomas the Wank Engine is my fave.
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Periods can be a real party pooper.Gefan wrote:You think you have menopause problems?Scented Nectar wrote: Yay! A lady garden adventure into the limelight at menopause time! Is she suggesting that I perform in some old lady fetish porn?
I don't think menopause means what the author thinks it means. Full bloom in a plant or garden is the time of peak fertility. Menopause in humans is the end of fertility. Pretty much opposites.
A friend of ours, an ageless, naturally athletic woman of Central American descent, turned fifty last October. She had a cycle that was so regular that you could plot space missions by it.
At the party held in her honor last Fall she had announced her intention of fucking every single man in attendance. She'd have made good on it too had not Aunt Flo decided to make an unscheduled appearance at the event.
Her husband's reaction was discretely ambivalent but the lady in question did not see the humor in this development.
I've heard some men refer to other men as 'warriors' at a place I used to work. The name referred to men who were willing to fuck a woman while she is on the rag. I've been told that some even prefer it due to things being extra lubed when Aunt Flo is flowing.
Yeah, I know. TMI. :D
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http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
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Not necessarily, there are other ways to thread the needle. Personally, I'm fan of downward adjusting the work week in order to maintain full employment, along with subsidized housing/food/information (basically a computer and an internet connection) in order to maintain order in an increasingly under-worked world.Gefan wrote:Okay, we're more or less on the same page, then. Dmitry Orlov and James Howard Kunstler both make this point, even if it's somewhat tangential to their broader argument re the unsustainable current economic order. Once surpluses evaporate and industrial society crumbles, gender egalitarianism is toast.AndrewV69 wrote:Not an "Islam takes over" argument but a symbolic allusion of what I think is likely to happen when women find their rights effectively rolled back due to economic conditions.Gefan wrote:Andrew, can you outline the process by which you think we'll get to that point? Is it an "Islam takes over" argument, or something else?AndrewV69 wrote: ...If not, well in around 80 years, women are all going to be wearing burkas. I think there is a strong probability that this will happen (or perhaps not, some systems are remarkably resilient to change once they are established)...
Ask people in the USSR what the difference is between the laws on the books and the economic reality that most people there live in. Or you could ask the Greeks. I am sure you can think of other places.
The laws might be on the books but good luck enforcing them when the economics preclude sustainability.
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I think it's built into the "pill".Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
The reality is that there's a problem with the entire memespace. It's based upon the notion that ALL women act/think in a certain fashion, which in reality is deeply sexist. Even though I think she's gone a bit off the deep end it seems, I can't blame WB but too much for getting really fucking pissed about the gaining traction of this memespace. It's the same reason that people get really fucking pissed at the gender feminists, who treat men the same way.
I understand the notion and I agree with the idea that there are some traditionally female cultural traits that are aggravating. But those traits are FAR from universal. I'm married to a women who hates those traits as well. I have female co-workers who hate those traits. It's NOT universal, and I think that's the point of contention here.
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http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-639922
Let's make it clear, by technical definition, neither Pharyngula nor Slymepit are represent hate groups, since neither are engaged in racial, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation, or gender hatred (the last in spite of what Myers dearly attempts to portray). Even if you go so far as to characterize Slymepit as "anti-feminist" (which it isn't), that doesn't constitute a hate group. As everyone knows, Myers has recently stooped to characterizing Slymepit as a "hate site." "Hate site" doesn't appear to have a technical definition, though the implication, blatantly dishonest as it is, is that a hate site is the website of a hate group.
As I commented on EBW's resignation from Secular Women post:
Let's make it clear, by technical definition, neither Pharyngula nor Slymepit are represent hate groups, since neither are engaged in racial, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation, or gender hatred (the last in spite of what Myers dearly attempts to portray). Even if you go so far as to characterize Slymepit as "anti-feminist" (which it isn't), that doesn't constitute a hate group. As everyone knows, Myers has recently stooped to characterizing Slymepit as a "hate site." "Hate site" doesn't appear to have a technical definition, though the implication, blatantly dishonest as it is, is that a hate site is the website of a hate group.
As I commented on EBW's resignation from Secular Women post:
If by "hate site" it is meant a website engaged in internecine war with another ideological group, then Pharyngula is as much a hate site as Slymepit could possibly be.If Slymepit is a hate site, then surely Pharyngula is a hate site as well, and PZ, it’s all your baby. Remember, you’re the one who created, nurtured and encouraged it. In the immortal words of David Silverman, own it.
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I was asking myself the exact same thing.Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
Maybe they should form an alliance with the radfems; buy some remote land and start their respective utopias.
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Pretty much. Although if you run through the comments you will see some cover it up with overt hostility, or a condescenting "I have revealed truth" evangelism.Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
And whatever legitimate gripes they have get swallowed up in self-pity masquerading as rugged individualism.
They've got the worst sort of ideology: One that takes all their shortcomings and blames them on the game being rigged by an external force. What happens is that they turn into a bunch of anti-social gender separatists drinking soothing Kool-Aid that ensures they never have to address those shortcomings.
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The only thing that I have noticed is that the vagina is noticably warmer than usual.Scented Nectar wrote:Periods can be a real party pooper.
I've heard some men refer to other men as 'warriors' at a place I used to work. The name referred to men who were willing to fuck a woman while she is on the rag. I've been told that some even prefer it due to things being extra lubed when Aunt Flo is flowing.
And a little less "effectively" lubricated, (not more, as you seem to suggest), as the watery plasma exudate flushes away the natural saponic smegma lubricant.
TMI?
Oh, and props the EBW for activating her skeptical radar.
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It funny, if FTB/ skepchick occasionally found some discrimination or misogyny in the secular movement, you might think 'yeah thats possible'.
However the pattern is now CLEAR, they find misogyny driven by white male bearded privilege under EVERY rock they look under!
Every single place they look its run by backward, evil,hateful, discriminating, clueless misogynistic haters.
It really is difficult to reconcile that with reality. Further their ability to histrionically turn any mild disagreement into defcom 5 level mudslinging is unparalleled.
However I'm now well past the point where I took any of this seriously, now I just find myself putting my feet up and getting the popcorn in :-)
However the pattern is now CLEAR, they find misogyny driven by white male bearded privilege under EVERY rock they look under!
Every single place they look its run by backward, evil,hateful, discriminating, clueless misogynistic haters.
It really is difficult to reconcile that with reality. Further their ability to histrionically turn any mild disagreement into defcom 5 level mudslinging is unparalleled.
However I'm now well past the point where I took any of this seriously, now I just find myself putting my feet up and getting the popcorn in :-)
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My analysis of them is that they seem to be a whole bunch of losers hooked on The Matrix/Fight Club quotes.Mykeru wrote:Pretty much. Although if you run through the comments you will see some cover it up with overt hostility, or a condescenting "I have revealed truth" evangelism.Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
:violin:
I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
And whatever legitimate gripes they have get swallowed up in self-pity masquerading as rugged individualism.
They've got the worst sort of ideology: One that takes all their shortcomings and blames them on the game being rigged by an external force. What happens is that they turn into a bunch of anti-social gender separatists drinking soothing Kool-Aid that ensures they never have to address those shortcomings.
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Yeah. The MGTOW movement we're talking about really could be called honest-to-goodness misogyny. That's what misogyny looks like.tf00t wrote:It funny, if FTB/ skepchick occasionally found some discrimination or misogyny in the secular movement, you might think 'yeah thats possible'.
However the pattern is now CLEAR, they find misogyny driven by white male bearded privilege under EVERY rock they look under!
Every single place they look its run by backward, evil,hateful, discriminating, clueless misogynistic haters.
It really is difficult to reconcile that with reality. Further their ability to histrionically turn any mild disagreement into defcom 5 level mudslinging is unparalleled.
However I'm now well past the point where I took any of this seriously, now I just find myself putting my feet up and getting the popcorn in :-)
They need to learn they're not being criticized because they're women. They're being criticized because people think that they're whiny, self-entitled, projecting bigots.
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Agreed. WBB went off in the land of the stupid, but I would blame the initial push that sent her over the edge on being pecked by MGTOW.Karmakin wrote:I think it's built into the "pill".Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
:violin:
I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
The reality is that there's a problem with the entire memespace. It's based upon the notion that ALL women act/think in a certain fashion, which in reality is deeply sexist. Even though I think she's gone a bit off the deep end it seems, I can't blame WB but too much for getting really fucking pissed about the gaining traction of this memespace. It's the same reason that people get really fucking pissed at the gender feminists, who treat men the same way.
I understand the notion and I agree with the idea that there are some traditionally female cultural traits that are aggravating. But those traits are FAR from universal. I'm married to a women who hates those traits as well. I have female co-workers who hate those traits. It's NOT universal, and I think that's the point of contention here.
They are simply annoying as all hell.
Of course, you point out to a MGTOW that their generalizing from some carefully chosen examples to all women and that they are all programed that way is wrong, and they will jump all over you yelling "NAWALT! NAWALT!" As if claiming that not all women fit their cherry-picked model automatically makes you a radfem stooge.
Not only was WBB faced with this group gaining traction, but the thing I got out of that recorded conversation between her and Elam, was his coming right out and saying that as he is a MGTOW himself, then MGTOW are off limits.
Which is what Elam did with me, making the very, very flawed assumption that because I agree with him on some things that therefore I pledged fealty to his narrow ideology.
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You MUST visit me here in Canada in the winter. My balcony is not only extra windy, it's also one where no one can see that you are nude unless you are standing at the front edge of it. Hmm, winter vag-cooling party for chill girls?sacha wrote:hmmm I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that I run warmer than most people, (I'm often in just a tee-shirt when others are wearing a jacket) but the thought of warm, or hot air from a heating duct blowing on my pussy sounds absolutely miserable. Give me cool or chilled air. Give me a spray bottle filled with water and sit me in front of a fan, or even better what they call a "swamp cooler" (such a perfectly named device for what I would use it for). I have a lot of privacy in my garden, and I love to sit outside without trousers in the cool, foggy air.Zenspace wrote:Scented Nectar wrote:Will that give me a warm breeze even in winter? I don't like skirts much, but I do like plaid.Zenspace wrote:Hence the appeal of my kilt. :mrgreen:Scented Nectar wrote:Hahahahahahahaha, they call it a "lady garden"!!! I haven't heard that one in a long long time. :lol:
If the book cover is anything to go by, the secret is to keep it breezy around one's nether regions. My balcony will do fine from spring to fall, but winter's going to be a bitch!
Hey wait! I've got it! In winter I can keep my old lady garden happy by sitting spread eagle in front of a heating duct. Not on the subway though. I must remember, NOT on the heated subway cars, not on the subway... on the subway.
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Punishing someone by not letting them be a customer...we should call that a 'girlcot'Gumby wrote:Does that mean Rebecca Watson is now going to actually have to pay for all the gallons of hooch she's going to guzzle at their little non-skeptic's party?Voryn wrote:http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
Skepticon drops CFI sponsorship. I've never viewed their ledgers to see how much they contributed, but I'd guess it was a sizable amount, and everything helps for a free conference. The FTB antics are now damaging something that people I care about work very hard to keep running, and that pisses me off. I think they are largely ignorant of a lot that goes on with the FTB, but wouldn't go as far as to say they've drank the kool-aid. FTB has always taken a large speaking volume at Skepticon, but Skepticon might just have to change its name to FTBWastsoncon at this rate :(
So much disingenuous butthurt, all because the head of a skeptical organization had the utter gall to suggest that silencing people with phrases like "check your privilege" and "shut up and listen" has the effect of diminishing skepticism. I'm sure CFI is just soooo devastated by the dismissal from a bunch of self-serving agenda-driven drama whores who left skepticism a long time ago.
They're trying to punish CFI by cutting off their own noses, and I think that's just hilarious.
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Ugh. I have never being able to imagine myself as a sexual being while bleeding like a stabbed victim.Scented Nectar wrote:Periods can be a real party pooper.Gefan wrote:You think you have menopause problems?Scented Nectar wrote: Yay! A lady garden adventure into the limelight at menopause time! Is she suggesting that I perform in some old lady fetish porn?
I don't think menopause means what the author thinks it means. Full bloom in a plant or garden is the time of peak fertility. Menopause in humans is the end of fertility. Pretty much opposites.
A friend of ours, an ageless, naturally athletic woman of Central American descent, turned fifty last October. She had a cycle that was so regular that you could plot space missions by it.
At the party held in her honor last Fall she had announced her intention of fucking every single man in attendance. She'd have made good on it too had not Aunt Flo decided to make an unscheduled appearance at the event.
Her husband's reaction was discretely ambivalent but the lady in question did not see the humor in this development.
I've heard some men refer to other men as 'warriors' at a place I used to work. The name referred to men who were willing to fuck a woman while she is on the rag. I've been told that some even prefer it due to things being extra lubed when Aunt Flo is flowing.
Yeah, I know. TMI. :D
I even hate walking while on my period. The feeling of clots going doing is extremely uncomfortable to me.
That said, my periods right now are not that bad. My sis has some fibroids and is like a massacre whenever she's bleeding.
She's scheduled for an hysterectomy next month. No Fluevogs involved.
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If only that revelation had occurred BEFORE you accepted the barely disguised poisonous invitation to join their pathetic pestilential personal-power-trip kult.tf00t wrote:It funny, if FTB/ skepchick occasionally found some discrimination or misogyny in the secular movement, you might think 'yeah thats possible'.
However the pattern is now CLEAR, they find misogyny driven by white male bearded privilege under EVERY rock they look under!
Every single place they look its run by backward, evil,hateful, discriminating, clueless misogynistic haters.
It really is difficult to reconcile that with reality. Further their ability to histrionically turn any mild disagreement into defcom 5 level mudslinging is unparalleled.
However I'm now well past the point where I took any of this seriously, now I just find myself putting my feet up and getting the popcorn in :-)
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I don't mind MGTOWs in the same way I don't mind Christians. It's the ones who insist on telling you about it who are the pains in the ass.Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
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My brief perusings show that FtB is still pretending that AA being sued for racism didn't happen, except for Ashley Miller praising them for how they handled the situation.
Hey, a black woman sues an organization for racism, and an article shows that the organization seemed to mistreat another black woman. But that's not really a problem, you see - the bigger problem is that CFI's statement didn't contain an apology. That's a real problem.
Fucking racists.
Hey, a black woman sues an organization for racism, and an article shows that the organization seemed to mistreat another black woman. But that's not really a problem, you see - the bigger problem is that CFI's statement didn't contain an apology. That's a real problem.
Fucking racists.
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One time I did a Skype call with an AVfM editor and others when they were working on this crap-tastic radio show that they were working on, which was excruciating because they intended to pretty much script an hour of banter. It was like sitting around with a bunch of nerds planning their Comic-Con play. It never got anywhere because their micromanagement sucked the life out of the project. And what did air was embarrassing.codelette wrote:
My analysis of them is that they seem to be a whole bunch of losers hooked on The Matrix/Fight Club quotes.
Anyway, I forgot to turn my camera off and one made the comment that I was in too good a shape to be one of them. Which is, of course, relatively speaking. He was officially joking, but there does seem something to this "I play real men on the internet thing"
Which makes me wonder if all the troubles with Atheism Plus and MGTOW is just a case of fuckless fat neckbeards coming home to crush the roost.
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I just read that 'release' and, at least to me, it reads like something you would read in a middle school student newsletter. We really are dealing with children, aren't we? :doh:Gumby wrote:Does that mean Rebecca Watson is now going to actually have to pay for all the gallons of hooch she's going to guzzle at their little non-skeptic's party?Voryn wrote:http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
Skepticon drops CFI sponsorship. I've never viewed their ledgers to see how much they contributed, but I'd guess it was a sizable amount, and everything helps for a free conference. The FTB antics are now damaging something that people I care about work very hard to keep running, and that pisses me off. I think they are largely ignorant of a lot that goes on with the FTB, but wouldn't go as far as to say they've drank the kool-aid. FTB has always taken a large speaking volume at Skepticon, but Skepticon might just have to change its name to FTBWastsoncon at this rate :(
So much disingenuous butthurt, all because the head of a skeptical organization had the utter gall to suggest that silencing people with phrases like "check your privilege" and "shut up and listen" has the effect of diminishing skepticism. I'm sure CFI is just soooo devastated by the dismissal from a bunch of self-serving agenda-driven drama whores who left skepticism a long time ago.
They're trying to punish CFI by cutting off their own noses, and I think that's just hilarious.
On the other hand, it becomes immediately clear why FftB/Skepchick fit right in.
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I only point this out because I just now finished watching the episode of Big Bang Theory that made a big deal of it, but defcon 5 is actually the lowest state of emergency. Defcon 1 is what you meant.tf00t wrote:It funny, if FTB/ skepchick occasionally found some discrimination or misogyny in the secular movement, you might think 'yeah thats possible'.
However the pattern is now CLEAR, they find misogyny driven by white male bearded privilege under EVERY rock they look under!
Every single place they look its run by backward, evil,hateful, discriminating, clueless misogynistic haters.
It really is difficult to reconcile that with reality. Further their ability to histrionically turn any mild disagreement into defcon 5 level mudslinging is unparalleled.
However I'm now well past the point where I took any of this seriously, now I just find myself putting my feet up and getting the popcorn in :-)
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Now. That is worthy of a Super Power.Scented Nectar wrote:Hmm, winter vag-cooling party for chill girls?
Literal Chill Girls.
In an Ice Fortress.
With COCK-tails.
Shaken or stirred with rage, mademoiselle?
Kretonite is the only thing that can defeat your souper-powers.
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Did you read the comments at H. Metha's blog?EdwardGemmer wrote:My brief perusings show that FtB is still pretending that AA being sued for racism didn't happen, except for Ashley Miller praising them for how they handled the situation.
Hey, a black woman sues an organization for racism, and an article shows that the organization seemed to mistreat another black woman. But that's not really a problem, you see - the bigger problem is that CFI's statement didn't contain an apology. That's a real problem.
Fucking racists.
Basically they are questioning Ed Clint's real interest on disclosing the information.
So, according to these shitheads rationale:
1) all sort of unfounded rumors and gossip (alleged harassers, cameras on poles, etc) = good
2) writing about a lawsuit involving accusations of racism and sexism = bad
Some women are more equal than others.
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To be honest, years ago when you met a MRA in the wild, chances are that he was a MGTOW (even if there wasn't a term for that as of yet). The MRA movement is built upon MGTOW feelz, or at least it's always looked that way to me. It's one of the big reasons why I still have a lot of negative associations to that label.Mykeru wrote:Agreed. WBB went off in the land of the stupid, but I would blame the initial push that sent her over the edge on being pecked by MGTOW.Karmakin wrote:I think it's built into the "pill".Pitchguest wrote:http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights ... -marriage/
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I realise this may sound like a generalising statement even though it's a genuine question, but ... are all MGTOW's this whiny?
The reality is that there's a problem with the entire memespace. It's based upon the notion that ALL women act/think in a certain fashion, which in reality is deeply sexist. Even though I think she's gone a bit off the deep end it seems, I can't blame WB but too much for getting really fucking pissed about the gaining traction of this memespace. It's the same reason that people get really fucking pissed at the gender feminists, who treat men the same way.
I understand the notion and I agree with the idea that there are some traditionally female cultural traits that are aggravating. But those traits are FAR from universal. I'm married to a women who hates those traits as well. I have female co-workers who hate those traits. It's NOT universal, and I think that's the point of contention here.
They are simply annoying as all hell.
Of course, you point out to a MGTOW that their generalizing from some carefully chosen examples to all women and that they are all programed that way is wrong, and they will jump all over you yelling "NAWALT! NAWALT!" As if claiming that not all women fit their cherry-picked model automatically makes you a radfem stooge.
Not only was WBB faced with this group gaining traction, but the thing I got out of that recorded conversation between her and Elam, was his coming right out and saying that as he is a MGTOW himself, then MGTOW are off limits.
Which is what Elam did with me, making the very, very flawed assumption that because I agree with him on some things that therefore I pledged fealty to his narrow ideology.
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"Hey, even though we kicked those CFI dudes' asses to the curb cuz they're, like, toadly uncool, our club still RAWKS because hey, we're like super smart and have the best hats like, anywhere! So throw money our way, and we'll have a bitchin time at Skepticon! And don't forget to vote for Rebecca for class president, cuz she can chug like a fifth of tequila without passing out! WOOOOOO par-TAY!!!Zenspace wrote:I just read that 'release' and, at least to me, it reads like something you would read in a middle school student newsletter. We really are dealing with children, aren't we? :doh:Gumby wrote:Does that mean Rebecca Watson is now going to actually have to pay for all the gallons of hooch she's going to guzzle at their little non-skeptic's party?Voryn wrote:http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
Skepticon drops CFI sponsorship. I've never viewed their ledgers to see how much they contributed, but I'd guess it was a sizable amount, and everything helps for a free conference. The FTB antics are now damaging something that people I care about work very hard to keep running, and that pisses me off. I think they are largely ignorant of a lot that goes on with the FTB, but wouldn't go as far as to say they've drank the kool-aid. FTB has always taken a large speaking volume at Skepticon, but Skepticon might just have to change its name to FTBWastsoncon at this rate :(
So much disingenuous butthurt, all because the head of a skeptical organization had the utter gall to suggest that silencing people with phrases like "check your privilege" and "shut up and listen" has the effect of diminishing skepticism. I'm sure CFI is just soooo devastated by the dismissal from a bunch of self-serving agenda-driven drama whores who left skepticism a long time ago.
They're trying to punish CFI by cutting off their own noses, and I think that's just hilarious.
On the other hand, it becomes immediately clear why FftB/Skepchick fit right in.
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Hell yes I read them and they piss me off too. They don't even seem to care if the allegations are true, but that Ed Clint, he didn't track down some loser in Kentucky to talk to before writing something on his blog, so he's a bad journalist! Nevermind that he's not a journalist at all and he didn't actually get the facts wrong. The real issue isn't AA's treament of black people, it's Ed Clint's reporting.codelette wrote:Did you read the comments at H. Metha's blog?EdwardGemmer wrote:My brief perusings show that FtB is still pretending that AA being sued for racism didn't happen, except for Ashley Miller praising them for how they handled the situation.
Hey, a black woman sues an organization for racism, and an article shows that the organization seemed to mistreat another black woman. But that's not really a problem, you see - the bigger problem is that CFI's statement didn't contain an apology. That's a real problem.
Fucking racists.
Basically they are questioning Ed Clint's real interest on disclosing the information.
So, according to these shitheads rationale:
1) all sort of unfounded rumors and gossip (alleged harassers, cameras on poles, etc) = good
2) writing about a lawsuit involving accusations of racism and sexism = bad
Some women are more equal than others.
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Awesome hats!!! Kerrr-azy! :banana-ninja: :banana-rock: :banana-linedance:Mykeru wrote:
Well...Bye!We here at Skepticon HQ love our movement. We love that we don’t always agree, are wicked smart and have a penchant for awesome hats.
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Indeed! Funny episode! It can be much worse in extreme conditions, though. I recall on a particularly cold climb having to answer to nature's call and having a 'where did it go?' moment! :shock:Scented Nectar wrote:That reminds of the Seinfeld episode where George is seen naked and gets all upset because they saw him just after he swam in cold water, causing his parts to, erm, minimize. :lol:Zenspace wrote:
:lol: Well, on some NY subways you might just fit right in!
I'll pass on the kilt in winter! There is such a thing as too much fresh air! A subject that never seems to come up in polite conversations within the winter mountaineering community is the effect of prolonged sub-zero temperatures on the male nether regions. Fortunately the, ...erm..., minimizing effect of extreme cold is temporary and everything returns to normal with the return of more typical temperatures, but it can be quite the shock for the new and uninitiated! :o
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I also support a downward adjustment of the work week in such circumstances, and, as a USAian, would add subsidized medical care to the list. Unfortunately, in the context of academia, a downward adjustment of the work week would seem to benefit the university and administration, not the faculy. IOW the university can use the principle to reduce salaries and benefits, but effectively the work week is not reduced. There is a definite trend towards monetizing every aspect of academic instructor/lecturer/professor positions, and adjusting salaries accordingly. X amount of pay for Y contact hours with students, Z% increase for authorship on a paper in a W impact factor journal, multiplier N for directorships of courses with M+ student enrollment, etc. My observations on the initial implementation of these rules support my suspicions that they're simply a way for the university to cut salaries and cover their ass legally. They have to cut something, because federal research funding has decreased, and research faculty cover less (in many cases none) of their salaries on grants. On the other hand, student enrollment continues to increase, and that's tied directly to money from the state. So effectively, for many of us the work week is longer, but the pay stays the same. I would happily take a cut in pay, in return for a 40- or 50-hr work week, measured by actual work hours (not the department's inane and grossly unfair accounting).Karmakin wrote: Not necessarily, there are other ways to thread the needle. Personally, I'm fan of downward adjusting the work week in order to maintain full employment, along with subsidized housing/food/information (basically a computer and an internet connection) in order to maintain order in an increasingly under-worked world.
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I did not know that. The Pit is sometimes quite educational. :think:TheMan wrote:A quick surreptitious tug usually restores things back manly levels.Scented Nectar wrote:
That reminds of the Seinfeld episode where George is seen naked and gets all upset because they saw him just after he swam in cold water, causing his parts to, erm, minimize. :lol:
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:lol: by George, I think you have it surrounded! :lol:Gumby wrote:"Hey, even though we kicked those CFI dudes' asses to the curb cuz they're, like, toadly uncool, our club still RAWKS because hey, we're like super smart and have the best hats like, anywhere! So throw money our way, and we'll have a bitchin time at Skepticon! And don't forget to vote for Rebecca for class president, cuz she can chug like a fifth of tequila without passing out! WOOOOOO par-TAY!!!Zenspace wrote:I just read that 'release' and, at least to me, it reads like something you would read in a middle school student newsletter. We really are dealing with children, aren't we? :doh:Gumby wrote:Does that mean Rebecca Watson is now going to actually have to pay for all the gallons of hooch she's going to guzzle at their little non-skeptic's party?Voryn wrote:http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
Skepticon drops CFI sponsorship. I've never viewed their ledgers to see how much they contributed, but I'd guess it was a sizable amount, and everything helps for a free conference. The FTB antics are now damaging something that people I care about work very hard to keep running, and that pisses me off. I think they are largely ignorant of a lot that goes on with the FTB, but wouldn't go as far as to say they've drank the kool-aid. FTB has always taken a large speaking volume at Skepticon, but Skepticon might just have to change its name to FTBWastsoncon at this rate :(
So much disingenuous butthurt, all because the head of a skeptical organization had the utter gall to suggest that silencing people with phrases like "check your privilege" and "shut up and listen" has the effect of diminishing skepticism. I'm sure CFI is just soooo devastated by the dismissal from a bunch of self-serving agenda-driven drama whores who left skepticism a long time ago.
They're trying to punish CFI by cutting off their own noses, and I think that's just hilarious.
On the other hand, it becomes immediately clear why FftB/Skepchick fit right in.
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well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
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I think he is pulling your leg.Scented Nectar wrote:I did not know that. The Pit is sometimes quite educational. :think:TheMan wrote:A quick surreptitious tug usually restores things back manly levels.Scented Nectar wrote:
That reminds of the Seinfeld episode where George is seen naked and gets all upset because they saw him just after he swam in cold water, causing his parts to, erm, minimize. :lol:
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That sounds great, but energy is not the same thing as technology. You can have all the computers you want and when the lights go out and the transportation grid crashes they're just going to be very expensive bookends.Karmakin wrote:Not necessarily, there are other ways to thread the needle. Personally, I'm fan of downward adjusting the work week in order to maintain full employment, along with subsidized housing/food/information (basically a computer and an internet connection) in order to maintain order in an increasingly under-worked world.
It's in argument based on the future of global energy production - a subject in which I spent the last few years immersed (which must be why I'm so much fun at parties).
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Google Drive might work for you. It's basically a small hard drive. If the video is short, and the filesize is manageable - you could just download it wherever you're logged in and play it locally.sacha wrote:does anyone know where it is possible to upload a copywrited video, with a private link that can be accessed and watched?
YouTube blocked it, even though it is a private link, however, if I am signed in as me, I can watch it.
I'd like to be able to access the video without being signed in with my Google account. If one needs to be logged in to access it, but the login does not require the password to my main Gmail account, that is just fine.
Vimeo?
Any other recommendations?
Sorry if this isn't that helpful.
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Re: Jim the Rag Made Me Do It
Not TMI. Interesting. Maybe the 'warriors' prefer the friction of less lube. Also interesting is that it's warmer. I did not know that.Michael K Gray wrote:The only thing that I have noticed is that the vagina is noticably warmer than usual.Scented Nectar wrote:Periods can be a real party pooper.
I've heard some men refer to other men as 'warriors' at a place I used to work. The name referred to men who were willing to fuck a woman while she is on the rag. I've been told that some even prefer it due to things being extra lubed when Aunt Flo is flowing.
And a little less "effectively" lubricated, (not more, as you seem to suggest), as the watery plasma exudate flushes away the natural saponic smegma lubricant.
TMI?
Oh, and props the EBW for activating her skeptical radar.
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Do tell! This is a subject of (presently) academic interest to me, mostly because I expect very real world repercussions in the not-so-distant future.Gefan wrote:That sounds great, but energy is not the same thing as technology. You can have all the computers you want and when the lights go out and the transportation grid crashes they're just going to be very expensive bookends.Karmakin wrote:Not necessarily, there are other ways to thread the needle. Personally, I'm fan of downward adjusting the work week in order to maintain full employment, along with subsidized housing/food/information (basically a computer and an internet connection) in order to maintain order in an increasingly under-worked world.
It's in argument based on the future of global energy production - a subject in which I spent the last few years immersed (which must be why I'm so much fun at parties).
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I get the impression that Skepticon is run by the "cool kids" for their own entertainment, and that the invited speakers milk the "free student-organized conference" thing for all it's worth, in moral superiority and social justice points. Not all students are impoverished and idealistic, and not all student-organized activities are worthy and selfless. I'm not saying that Skepticon is a bad thing or that its organizers are horrible people - it's just that the FtB speakers in particular push awfully hard on the student-grassroots-free conference-social justice propaganda.Gumby wrote: "Hey, even though we kicked those CFI dudes' asses to the curb cuz they're, like, toadly uncool, our club still RAWKS because hey, we're like super smart and have the best hats like, anywhere! So throw money our way, and we'll have a bitchin time at Skepticon! And don't forget to vote for Rebecca for class president, cuz she can chug like a fifth of tequila without passing out! WOOOOOO par-TAY!!!
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Your comment isn't showing yet. I decided to leave that post with the chirping of the crickets.treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
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Walking always brings the worry of leaks, especially when one of those mini-floods happen mid-step. Ugh.codelette wrote:Ugh. I have never being able to imagine myself as a sexual being while bleeding like a stabbed victim.Scented Nectar wrote:Periods can be a real party pooper.Gefan wrote:You think you have menopause problems?Scented Nectar wrote: Yay! A lady garden adventure into the limelight at menopause time! Is she suggesting that I perform in some old lady fetish porn?
I don't think menopause means what the author thinks it means. Full bloom in a plant or garden is the time of peak fertility. Menopause in humans is the end of fertility. Pretty much opposites.
A friend of ours, an ageless, naturally athletic woman of Central American descent, turned fifty last October. She had a cycle that was so regular that you could plot space missions by it.
At the party held in her honor last Fall she had announced her intention of fucking every single man in attendance. She'd have made good on it too had not Aunt Flo decided to make an unscheduled appearance at the event.
Her husband's reaction was discretely ambivalent but the lady in question did not see the humor in this development.
I've heard some men refer to other men as 'warriors' at a place I used to work. The name referred to men who were willing to fuck a woman while she is on the rag. I've been told that some even prefer it due to things being extra lubed when Aunt Flo is flowing.
Yeah, I know. TMI. :D
I even hate walking while on my period. The feeling of clots going doing is extremely uncomfortable to me.
That said, my periods right now are not that bad. My sis has some fibroids and is like a massacre whenever she's bleeding.
She's scheduled for an hysterectomy next month. No Fluevogs involved.
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Can you be a bit more specific? I ask out of a sense of the public good. If you just launch me off on the subject un-focussed, I'll make Steersman look succinct.Zenspace wrote:Do tell! This is a subject of (presently) academic interest to me, mostly because I expect very real world repercussions in the not-so-distant future.Gefan wrote:That sounds great, but energy is not the same thing as technology. You can have all the computers you want and when the lights go out and the transportation grid crashes they're just going to be very expensive bookends.Karmakin wrote:Not necessarily, there are other ways to thread the needle. Personally, I'm fan of downward adjusting the work week in order to maintain full employment, along with subsidized housing/food/information (basically a computer and an internet connection) in order to maintain order in an increasingly under-worked world.
It's in argument based on the future of global energy production - a subject in which I spent the last few years immersed (which must be why I'm so much fun at parties).
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And so the skeptical movement breaks into two camps. On the one side you have people who do skepticism, on the other you have people recreating high school while they inadvertently make reservations for detox.treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
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(It is in Japanese, for those who have the want of knowing.)treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
I expect that it is a trifle too succinct (and anti-Steersman/Cyber-nought) to pass muster.
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If you look at the history of speakers, you will see that Paul Meyers & Richard Carrier were the first two.treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... urce=pubv1
http://skepticon.org/speakers/
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Hey! Don't be such a Debbie-Downer!Gefan wrote:It's in argument based on the future of global energy production - a subject in which I spent the last few years immersed (which must be why I'm so much fun at parties).
Dickie Feynman was vitally interested in the energy budget of this rocky orb, and was a riotous 'hit' at parties!
And he did not need to flash his Prix de kNobel to 'get' the action!
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Julian Assange is innocent!Scented Nectar wrote:Walking always brings the worry of leaks...
He is not culpable for WorryLeaks!
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Nope... works for me. Just a quick tug and the shriveled pink dead slug looking thing comes back to life. If your on your own a tug and a helicopter spin works too.Michael K Gray wrote:I think he is pulling your leg.Scented Nectar wrote:I did not know that. The Pit is sometimes quite educational. :think:TheMan wrote:A quick surreptitious tug usually restores things back manly levels.Scented Nectar wrote:
That reminds of the Seinfeld episode where George is seen naked and gets all upset because they saw him just after he swam in cold water, causing his parts to, erm, minimize. :lol:
I've heard it can shrivel right in...but I don't believe that.
My partner went through a time when she felt particularly randy on the first day of her period. Her libido is all over the place ( something to do with depression) so I go with the...ummm, roll with it when it comes my way (no puns intended). Agree that it feels hotter (temp).
I remember feeling awful the first time I looked down and saw my cock covered in blood. Took a while to get over that vision...