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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:P.S.

One more thing about Die Antwoord.

When they first came out I played the two clips to woman from South African. She said that unless you were from SA you could not possibly appreciate how vile and disgusting their lyrics were. Apparently she was also particularly revolted and offended at what Yolandi did at 5:13.

(I was already familiar with the turkish version of the "up yours" hand gesture so I had no trouble figuring that out)
Ok, since we're on the subject of Die Antwoord answer me this:
Is Yolandi Visser sexy?
I think she looks like a 13 year-old unwashed crack-whore who has been sentenced to hard labour in a Siberian uranium mine but the internet at large disagrees with me and thinks she's fit as fuck. Am I missing something?
Thoughts?
http://www.iainclaridge.co.uk/blog/wp-c ... isser1.jpg
It looks like something conjured up by reciting Yeminis's eco-sexual poetry in a midnight graveyard.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:P.S.

One more thing about Die Antwoord.

When they first came out I played the two clips to woman from South African. She said that unless you were from SA you could not possibly appreciate how vile and disgusting their lyrics were. Apparently she was also particularly revolted and offended at what Yolandi did at 5:13.

(I was already familiar with the turkish version of the "up yours" hand gesture so I had no trouble figuring that out)
Ok, since we're on the subject of Die Antwoord answer me this:
Is Yolandi Visser sexy?
I think she looks like a 13 year-old unwashed crack-whore who has been sentenced to hard labour in a Siberian uranium mine but the internet at large disagrees with me and thinks she's fit as fuck. Am I missing something?
Thoughts?
http://www.iainclaridge.co.uk/blog/wp-c ... isser1.jpg
I've posted clips from Die Antwoord ages ago in the music thread. I'd certainly give her one........ even going off that picture. That bottom lip alone gets me in the goolies

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Re: Steers

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Walter Ego wrote:
Mykeru wrote:And your sense of humor is kind of gay.
The pit could use some more gay. This dump is entirely too heterosexual.
http://www.biography.com/imported/image ... -1-402.jpg

http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/post ... abinet.jpg

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There. Now shut the fuck up.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Apples wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/3923/

Could Carrier be more of a pompous arse?

No, no he couldn't.
I guarantee Carrier masturbates whilst looking in the mirror.
So it turns out that Carrier's argument in Proving History was already made a decade ago by a better and more-established scholar in a book that Carrier failed to notice because "it must not have been indexed well in databases." A reader had to point it out (b/c Carrier's version of 'peer-review' is having Josh the Spokesgay and the executor of Madalyn Murray O'Hair's estate approve his font-choices), and even though Carrier's book turns out to have been redundant and superficial compared to Tucker's efforts and it is shameful to have failed to cite it, Carrier feels free to say of Tucker's work that "his book is essentially an extension of my sixth chapter."
I like how Carrier makes a point that Tucker is a prominent scholar in exactly the shit Dick was writing about, but he never saw it. He totally swears he never saw it. Really, he absolutely never saw his work.

I like Carrier because his pomposity makes him wear his bullshit on his sleeve.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Ok, since we're on the subject of Die Antwoord answer me this:
Is Yolandi Visser sexy?
I think she looks like a 13 year-old unwashed crack-whore who has been sentenced to hard labour in a Siberian uranium mine but the internet at large disagrees with me and thinks she's fit as fuck. Am I missing something?
Thoughts?
http://www.iainclaridge.co.uk/blog/wp-c ... isser1.jpg
Why are those mutually exclusive?

Maybe it's all in the lighting.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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I don't know. Here she looks cute:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ScJIMPn19Fk/T ... /BksXc.jpg

and here she looks like that demon from Krull:


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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Damn, not sure why that first picture turned out so big.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Guest wrote:Real Talk - Charlamagne: "Miley Cyrus Wanna Be A Nigga So Bad. She Swears She's Ratchet Pussy"

[youtube]AaOnsKOtRT0[/youtube]

Interesting discussion of what Charlamagne, a NYC DJ, has to say about Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber....
It's ironic that "Chalamegne" is whinging about Miley Cyrus acting like "a nigger" yet sees no irony in naming himself after a medieval Roman Emperor.

"Why you be acting all Roman Royalty and shit boy?"
How does this play out for SJW's, according to their system of Victim Olympics points? Cyrus is white and rich as fuck, and apparently a racist, so huge blow on the priviledge ladder. But she's also a woman and Charlamegne is being a sexist slut-shaming douchebag (ignoring the racist part, because it is well known that black people cannot be racist towards whites), so huge victim points. Does the Patriarchy beat White Hegemonic Priviledge on their morality spreadsheet?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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And so the great "Is Yolandi Visser from Die Antwoord sexy?" debate finally rears it's head in the Pit. Friendships and alliances will be torn asunder, threats will be made and blood will be shed.
Mark my words all ye who enter into this.


BTW, she's a fucking minger.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Hunt wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/3923/

Could Carrier be more of a pompous arse?

No, no he couldn't.
Is there any clearer example of Dunning-Kruger? Even when someone else has beaten you to press by years with a deeper, more significant work, you interpret that as "backing up your core thesis," instead of the probability that you just subconsciously duplicated their idea, a rather natural consequence of working in a field that has already absorbed the original work. What a meat-head.
That's nice of you. I know, we don't have evidence of more, but if it was my work he plagiarised copied was influenced by, I'd be much less nice.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Pitchguest wrote:I don't know. Here she looks cute:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ScJIMPn19Fk/T ... /BksXc.jpg

and here she looks like that demon from Krull:

Even in that first picture she's just not sexy at all to me. Almost repulsive.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Ok, since we're on the subject of Die Antwoord answer me this:
Is Yolandi Visser sexy?
I think she looks like a 13 year-old unwashed crack-whore who has been sentenced to hard labour in a Siberian uranium mine but the internet at large disagrees with me and thinks she's fit as fuck. Am I missing something?
Thoughts?
http://www.iainclaridge.co.uk/blog/wp-c ... isser1.jpg
I'd fuck her, but I'd make sure I was palming a blade.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Tony Parsehole wrote:And so the great "Is Yolandi Visser from Die Antwoord sexy?" debate finally rears it's head in the Pit. Friendships and alliances will be torn asunder, threats will be made and blood will be shed.
Mark my words all ye who enter into this.


BTW, she's a fucking minger.

She's got an early 70s Brian Eno thing going on.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... -VqhAow9NA

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LurkerPerson wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Guest wrote:Real Talk - Charlamagne: "Miley Cyrus Wanna Be A Nigga So Bad. She Swears She's Ratchet Pussy"

[youtube]AaOnsKOtRT0[/youtube]

Interesting discussion of what Charlamagne, a NYC DJ, has to say about Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber....
It's ironic that "Chalamegne" is whinging about Miley Cyrus acting like "a nigger" yet sees no irony in naming himself after a medieval Roman Emperor.

"Why you be acting all Roman Royalty and shit boy?"
How does this play out for SJW's, according to their system of Victim Olympics points? Cyrus is white and rich as fuck, and apparently a racist, so huge blow on the priviledge ladder. But she's also a woman and Charlamegne is being a sexist slut-shaming douchebag (ignoring the racist part, because it is well known that black people cannot be racist towards whites), so huge victim points. Does the Patriarchy beat White Hegemonic Priviledge on their morality spreadsheet?
It's obvious from his words how much genuine contempt he has for women. I'm not joking when I say the A+ rationale for this is "Black rappers can't be blamed for their supposed misogyny because the white-supremacist patriarchy force them to do it".

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Ericb wrote:Well it is Pride month:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... cs_241.jpg
What. The. Fuck?
I must know more.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by Ericb »

Tony Parsehole wrote:
What. The. Fuck?
I must know more.
I have no idea. I just know about the cover.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Mykeru wrote: I don't know if the Oolon who posted kiddie porn pictures here under a sock(I suspect) so that he could make a big show of screencapping it (verified) is much of an improvement.

However, the surgical ice-pick is rather styling.
It definitely was not colon. I know who did it.
As in "personally", or just the account name? Could such a wikkid 1337 nerd as colon be so silly as to post from the same IP? Equiring minds don't want to know.
I know the name of the person in meatspace, though I've never met xir. They have coughed to it.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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bovarchist wrote:
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you think of the work I do? http://www.vanden-eykel.com/photography/
I like your work. Regarding the following critique, I'm mainly perusing the 'portraits' section.

Overall-

Strengths:
-You're very good at using extreme light/dark contrasts. Typical portraits are 2:1 or 3:1, but you often crank it up to 11 for effect. It looks 'on-purpose' and artistic, rather than a shitty camera on auto-expose in mixed lighting conditions. See good examples: 'Serious' and 'Cowboy'
-Typically very good at leaving 'leading room' for where the action is heading (or where the person is looking). See: 'Little Cowboy' 'Metro Overpass'
- Very good use of balance (both symmetrical and asymmetrical) - 'Sunburning Man', 'Mirror', 'Down...'
- Consistently good focus / exposure.
- Competent use of the basics - rule of thirds, framing, leading lines. It's clear that generally when you're 'breaking the rules' that it's intentional (gotta know the rule to break it - as they said over and over in school.)

Improvements:
- For a forward facing portrait the general rule is to show at least 'two eyes and an ear'. Don't crop off their heads like 'Baby' 'Father' 'Hungry' and 'Smile'
- I probably would have cropped most of them *slightly* differently, to avoid chopping limbs/fingers/scalps. It's a tricky thing, but there are certain parts of the body that are more visually acceptable for cropping. Too hard to explain in text - something you have to see - probably side by side. Point is, there are better sweet spots to crop people.
- Saw one example of you not leaving room for the action - 'Maria Bamford'. She's facing left, yet you give her a whole lot of space to the right. Otherwise, you're very good at this concept.

I'd hire you for portraits, and also for sporting events / concerts / cultural events. I imagine you'd make decent money at wedding / baby / family / pregnant 'baby bump' photos. However, you seem to prefer the artistic side. Hope this helped.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by Mykeru »

Ericb wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
What. The. Fuck?
I must know more.
I have no idea. I just know about the cover.
Google is your friend

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png

...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Mykeru wrote:
Ericb wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
What. The. Fuck?
I must know more.
I have no idea. I just know about the cover.
Google is your friend

There's more stuff here:

http://superdickery.com/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=3

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Tony Parsehole wrote: It's obvious from his words how much genuine contempt he has for women. I'm not joking when I say the A+ rationale for this is "Black rappers can't be blamed for their supposed misogyny because the white-supremacist patriarchy force them to do it".
Not that this is unbelievable to me (after having seen some of the debates and arguements from FTB, very believable), but do you have a source where that was the consensus in a similar situation?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by Tony Parsehole »

Mykeru wrote:
Ericb wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
What. The. Fuck?
I must know more.
I have no idea. I just know about the cover.
Google is your friend
Ha! I was on that page when I checked back here. You've gotta admire Batman's notlogic.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Guest wrote:Real Talk - Charlamagne: "Miley Cyrus Wanna Be A Nigga So Bad. She Swears She's Ratchet Pussy"

[youtube]AaOnsKOtRT0[/youtube]

Interesting discussion of what Charlamagne, a NYC DJ, has to say about Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber....
It's ironic that "Chalamegne" is whinging about Miley Cyrus acting like "a nigger" yet sees no irony in naming himself after a medieval Roman Emperor.

"Why you be acting all Roman Royalty and shit boy?"
Maybe he thinks he's King of the Franks.

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LurkerPerson wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote: It's obvious from his words how much genuine contempt he has for women. I'm not joking when I say the A+ rationale for this is "Black rappers can't be blamed for their supposed misogyny because the white-supremacist patriarchy force them to do it".
Not that this is unbelievable to me (after having seen some of the debates and arguements from FTB, very believable), but do you have a source where that was the consensus in a similar situation?
No direct link but Setar made a thread on A+ about "white people stealing rap music" (can't remember the exact title) and it went from there.

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More hypocrisy from Zvan

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From June 24 blog post "Watching and Waiting" by Stephanie Zvan concerning A.J. Johnson's complaint of wrongful termination and racial discrimination:

I will highlight what she says in this post compared to her attitudes on women making complaints of sexual harassment and claims that conferences are unsafe/hostile places for women:
Sometimes you come across things that shouldn’t be ignored but about which very little can reliably be known. AJ Johnson’s lawsuit against American Atheists, along with American Atheists’ response is one of those things. So I put this here to observe the occasion. I can’t speculate about any of it without being irresponsible.
But yet, without any evidence, and maybe mere personal testimony, we can just jump to conclusions about sexual harassment and conferences being unsafe/hostile.
All I can do with regard to this lawsuit is watch and wait, continue to pay attention as the case goes through discovery and litigation (or settlement), object to people drawing conclusions without facts or that are unwarranted by the facts, and know that no outcome will make me wholly happy.
But yet we shouldn't expect people to produce evidence when making specific claims of sexual harassment or that conferences are unsafe and hostile toward women. People need to "shut up and listen" and disagreement/skepticism is "invalidating experiences of women," "saying women are liars," and "mistrust of women." Random person x who says she has been sexually harassed should be believed simply because she says so, but A.J.'s lawsuit...well, we should just "watch and wait" while we "object to people drawing conclusions..."


Shut up and listen to the women...but only some women.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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codelette wrote:So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png

...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).
What a nasty liar.
As you said, she was criticised not for suggesting bilingual flyers, but for suggesting people should include on sentence of Spanish within their usual flyers in order to attract hispanics. The original tweets smacked of tokenism. That's what drew the criticism.
Nobody complained about having bilingual flyers - she didn't mention that term.
Now she tries to pretend that she did.

Listen, Jenny from the blog, one sentence is not bilingual flyers.
'Bilingual flyers' mean all of the text is in both languages.

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codelette wrote:So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png

...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).
Unless they have some spanish speakers at the event in question, I don't see the point of it. If they came to listen to the speakers it's safe to assume that regardless of origin they would have a pretty good grasp of the english language, at least enough to read a flyer. If they can't even read a sentence on a flyer the entire thing would probably be boring and pointless. Unless of course they have a dedicated translator interpreting everything, but I don't think Hensley has anything like that planned. Seems more like an opportunity to display how open-minded and tolerant she is than an actual effort to diversify the conference with more latinos. It might blow her mind but the vast majority of hispanic immigrants are usually quite fluent in both english and their maternal language.
I personally think the lack of latinos in atheist organizations has more to do with the fact that the vast majority are explicitly religious than some sort of chill-out effect by a nebulous racist white supremacist undercurrent in atheism. I don't think she is very much familiar at all with how important traditional christian ethics are to many latinos.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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bovarchist wrote:BTW, that's an open invitation for anybody to come look. I also have a Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/VandenEykelPhotography and I could use all the Likes I can get </shamelesswhore>
Not on facebook, so I went here http://www.vanden-eykel.com/photography/

I looked at all of the photos, bovarchist, enjoyed all and am quite keen on many.

Non-inclusive list:

Loved Dusty the cat in "animals", because it took a minute to figure out what that grey bit of fluff was until I noticed his eye :)
Marvin and the waitress in "portraits" look like interesting people. Bit jealous you got to see Colbert live.
The Phoenix Cross picture in "remnants" is particularly appealing. Bit of irony with a phoenix, but it makes me think of old, small, wild graveyards which I always find completely captivating. Weathered gravestones+wild flowers and unkempt trees and grasses=yum.
So many good ones in "other", God Face, Closing Ceremonies, Emerald Lake Boats, Moody Park Clock, Forgotten, Apples I like because of the one jarringly askew.
Won't even try to pick favorites from "Panoramas", so many are stunners.

Glad you posted the link. Lots of pretty to come home from work and see

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Pitchguest wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:I'll say it, before someone else is forced to (but it won't be funny);

With the FtB goon squad, it's more appropriate to use the Rule of Turds.
The Irish rule of thirds.
Check yer fekkin' "th" privilege, ya fekkin' people from somewhere Nort ov us. Ye can talk when ya stop crossin' out da mistakes on yer "o"s.

Christ Mary and fekkin' Jesus fekkin' christ on a wee dunkey, isn't dis wat we fart fer? Will de legions of Anglo fekkin' Saxon shoit never stop oppressin' us?

O. Hello there Mr Myers, welcome to Dublin. Do hope you find it acceptable. Now, which bit of your arse do I kiss?

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LurkerPerson wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Guest wrote:Real Talk - Charlamagne: "Miley Cyrus Wanna Be A Nigga So Bad. She Swears She's Ratchet Pussy"

[youtube]AaOnsKOtRT0[/youtube]

Interesting discussion of what Charlamagne, a NYC DJ, has to say about Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber....
It's ironic that "Chalamegne" is whinging about Miley Cyrus acting like "a nigger" yet sees no irony in naming himself after a medieval Roman Emperor.

"Why you be acting all Roman Royalty and shit boy?"
How does this play out for SJW's, according to their system of Victim Olympics points? Cyrus is white and rich as fuck, and apparently a racist, so huge blow on the priviledge ladder. But she's also a woman and Charlamegne is being a sexist slut-shaming douchebag (ignoring the racist part, because it is well known that black people cannot be racist towards whites), so huge victim points. Does the Patriarchy beat White Hegemonic Priviledge on their morality spreadsheet?
They can't really do anything because Chalamegne probably doesn't care about anything but his own bottom line. A group of old white women won't affect his fanbase. This is where internet activism fails, it only works if the person already cares about social justice. Svan's attempt to smear Skep Tickle by showing what other people have posted on messageboard she visits would be laughed at by anyone who has ever posted on a hip-hop messageboard.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Lsuoma wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: It definitely was not colon. I know who did it.
As in "personally", or just the account name? Could such a wikkid 1337 nerd as colon be so silly as to post from the same IP? Equiring minds don't want to know.
I know the name of the person in meatspace, though I've never met xir. They have coughed to it.
Fair enough. Hope you upslapped their face with a wet fish.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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LurkerPerson wrote:
codelette wrote:So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png

...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).
Unless they have some spanish speakers at the event in question, I don't see the point of it. If they came to listen to the speakers it's safe to assume that regardless of origin they would have a pretty good grasp of the english language, at least enough to read a flyer. If they can't even read a sentence on a flyer the entire thing would probably be boring and pointless. Unless of course they have a dedicated translator interpreting everything, but I don't think Hensley has anything like that planned. Seems more like an opportunity to display how open-minded and tolerant she is than an actual effort to diversify the conference with more latinos. It might blow her mind but the vast majority of hispanic immigrants are usually quite fluent in both english and their maternal language.
I personally think the lack of latinos in atheist organizations has more to do with the fact that the vast majority are explicitly religious than some sort of chill-out effect by a nebulous racist white supremacist undercurrent in atheism. I don't think she is very much familiar at all with how important traditional christian ethics are to many latinos.
That and the fact that rest of us (I consider myself more of an Agnostic, as explained by Neil De Grasse); don't really give a shit about congregating with other Atheists/Agnostics. My husband is a very outspoken Atheist and even him don't see to give a shit about getting to formal atheist cons. Also, like you mentioned, the fact that a lot of Latinos are very religious keeps a lot of us underground. All of my family believe in the concept of God and I prefer for my family gatherings to be about food, love for family and enjoying each other than going into debates about the existence/non-existence of a deity.

My lack of giving a shit about the concept of God is more align with Homer's views (when he decided that it was way more awesome to stay home than go to church).
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LurkerPerson wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote: It's obvious from his words how much genuine contempt he has for women. I'm not joking when I say the A+ rationale for this is "Black rappers can't be blamed for their supposed misogyny because the white-supremacist patriarchy force them to do it".
Not that this is unbelievable to me (after having seen some of the debates and arguements from FTB, very believable), but do you have a source where that was the consensus in a similar situation?
A+ are extremely sexist and racist. I started to list some examples then realised a casual glance will see that in seconds. This is what Carrier must mean when he talks about 'Social Justice' and is one reason I am fighting these clowns as I find them deeply offensive and as bad as all extremists including fascists. They represent everything they claim to hate and need to be called out on it. As people often suffer personal consequences in doing so they need support to ensure their voices are not silenced.

Sometimes such comments leak into FtB blogs and FtB comments pages and they are never called on. Of course they have stolen their simplistic social philosophy as a cover but racism and sexism is what it is, they don't get to redefine to suit their own bigotry. Their pretence at 'conscience' is just a delusion they need to keep pushing to justify their behaviour. That's why people like Zvan and PMZ love to give an air of moral righteousness. It is why they seem sickly sweet and entirely insincere to the rest of us. But when you go by what people do, how they respond and behave they are nasty demagogues and control freaks. They slander, vilify, abuse and exploit people for their own ends. They do not give a stuff who they hurt.

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Kareem wrote: They can't really do anything because Chalamegne probably doesn't care about anything but his own bottom line. A group of old white women won't affect his fanbase. This is where internet activism fails, it only works if the person already cares about social justice. Svan's attempt to smear Skep Tickle by showing what other people have posted on messageboard she visits would be laughed at by anyone who has ever posted on a hip-hop messageboard.
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codelette wrote:So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png

...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).
I see she's white-splaining from her white privilege while simultaneously playing her victim card AND moving the goalposts.

I stand by my original point: dropping one sentence of Spanish onto a poster when providing absolutely no language services or doing any kind interest/issue out-reach is patronizing. Especially in light of the complete white-bread nature of what they were doing.

This kind of behavior, in my social circle, seen as racism. That she's blind to it... Well, feminists have a long history of racism, race-baiting and racial tone-deafness to race issues within their movement. Gender feminism (as opposed to equity feminism) is, and remains to this day, pretty much an upper-middle-class whiny white-girl movement that treats minorities as they claim men treat them.

And that's no matter how many times non-white feminists blow up about it: http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/

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bovarchist wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote: Nothing wrong with ms-paint.

I aspie'd your question into literally meaning... "tell me your thoughts on this picture as you have them." I obliged with a stream-of-consciousness list. Keep in mind that my training is with photography, so my edits and critiques were largely aimed at the photographer, not the metalogistician.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you think of the work I do? http://www.vanden-eykel.com/photography/
I really like the "remnants" section. You take ugly things and make them beautiful.

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Ericb wrote:There's more stuff here:

http://superdickery.com/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=3
Carefull, that site is made of pure win and can steal at least one or two days away from anyone who isn't careful.
Personal favorites:
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Brilliant. I wonder if it was intentionally funny?

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codelette wrote:
That and the fact that rest of us (I consider myself more of an Agnostic, as explained by Neil De Grasse); don't really give a shit about congregating with other Atheists/Agnostics. My husband is a very outspoken Atheist and even him don't see to give a shit about getting to formal atheist cons. Also, like you mentioned, the fact that a lot of Latinos are very religious keeps a lot of us underground. All of my family believe in the concept of God and I prefer for my family gatherings to be about food, love for family and enjoying each other than going into debates about the existence/non-existence of a deity.

My lack of giving a shit about the concept of God is more align with Homer's views (when he decided that it was way more awesome to stay home than go to church).
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My younger daughter's boyfriend is Hispanic Californian, ethnically a Mestizo. He's also an atheist and, somehow, his family figured it out and he's now considered worthless, untrustworthy and is a fair target for abuse and exploitation. He gets more crap than you can shake a stick at and they have, pretty much, disowned him, except when they need to do things for them.

It doesn't help that he's dating a lily-white, blond, blue-eyed anglo which also makes him a race traitor...

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
Badger3k wrote:....And, speak of the devil...Greta finally gave in, and forgave Ron Lindsay! here
A pledge to put on a Women in Secularism 3 conference.
Oh yeah Greta, I'm sure Ron can't wait to do another WiSCon for you. I mean, you were SO grateful for the last one. Yeah, Ron was nearly fired for nothing and CFI was boycotted but who gives a fuck as long as it makes you happy?
And I am ready and willing to move forward, and to work with CFI in the future.
I bet Ron is literally crying with joy that you have deigned to descend from the heavens and pronounce how you are ready to work with CFI in the future. It's just his dreams come true.
When you give in to bullies once and give them your lunch money, they don't go away; they keep coming back to demand more and more every day, and if you don't give in to them, they'll flush your head down a toilet pan or beat you up (or Zvan will squash you like a flea). Ron is now beholden to the bullies. He's ruined his career, I don't see him being there 12 months from now. The bullies will just continue their harassment to try and get Melody or ElevatorShit to take over from him.

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Tribble wrote:
codelette wrote:So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png

...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).
I see she's white-splaining from her white privilege while simultaneously playing her victim card AND moving the goalposts.

I stand by my original point: dropping one sentence of Spanish onto a poster when providing absolutely no language services or doing any kind interest/issue out-reach is patronizing. Especially in light of the complete white-bread nature of what they were doing.

This kind of behavior, in my social circle, seen as racism. That she's blind to it... Well, feminists have a long history of racism, race-baiting and racial tone-deafness to race issues within their movement. Gender feminism (as opposed to equity feminism) is, and remains to this day, pretty much an upper-middle-class whiny white-girl movement that treats minorities as they claim men treat them.

And that's no matter how many times non-white feminists blow up about it: http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/
That's exactly the reason why I think the US feminism movement is bullshit. It really bothers me when they steal individual women accomplishments and then try to convince you of "this brought to you by us!".

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treestump wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Badger3k wrote:....And, speak of the devil...Greta finally gave in, and forgave Ron Lindsay! here
A pledge to put on a Women in Secularism 3 conference.
Oh yeah Greta, I'm sure Ron can't wait to do another WiSCon for you. I mean, you were SO grateful for the last one. Yeah, Ron was nearly fired for nothing and CFI was boycotted but who gives a fuck as long as it makes you happy?
And I am ready and willing to move forward, and to work with CFI in the future.
I bet Ron is literally crying with joy that you have deigned to descend from the heavens and pronounce how you are ready to work with CFI in the future. It's just his dreams come true.
When you give in to bullies once and give them your lunch money, they don't go away; they keep coming back to demand more and more every day, and if you don't give in to them, they'll flush your head down a toilet pan or beat you up (or Zvan will squash you like a flea). Ron is now beholden to the bullies. He's ruined his career, I don't see him being there 12 months from now. The bullies will just continue their harassment to try and get Melody or ElevatorShit to take over from him.
Regardless of how one parses Lindsay's apology, he has opened himself up to being seen as weak, as not willing to tough it out and stand by his words, and therefore ripe for future picking. By caving in (even partially) to shrieking bullies, Lindsay has potentially put himself into the position of being viewed as their puppet. That is not the image one wants to project as the head of a major organization devoted to critical thinking and the intellectual independence that the concept of skepticism is critically bound to.

Even if all he did was apologize for hurt fee fees and not for what he actually said, the propaganda spinners are already making it clear (Greta's list of demands for example) that they consider Lindsay their bitch now.

All Lindsay has accomplished is to make himself look weak, vulnerable, and a tool of the FTBullies.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:Ok, since we're on the subject of Die Antwoord answer me this:
Is Yolandi Visser sexy?
I think she looks like a 13 year-old unwashed crack-whore who has been sentenced to hard labour in a Siberian uranium mine but the internet at large disagrees with me and thinks she's fit as fuck. Am I missing something?
Thoughts?
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I see what your problem is. You have been looking at her face.

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treestump wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Badger3k wrote:....And, speak of the devil...Greta finally gave in, and forgave Ron Lindsay! here
A pledge to put on a Women in Secularism 3 conference.
Oh yeah Greta, I'm sure Ron can't wait to do another WiSCon for you. I mean, you were SO grateful for the last one. Yeah, Ron was nearly fired for nothing and CFI was boycotted but who gives a fuck as long as it makes you happy?
And I am ready and willing to move forward, and to work with CFI in the future.
I bet Ron is literally crying with joy that you have deigned to descend from the heavens and pronounce how you are ready to work with CFI in the future. It's just his dreams come true.
When you give in to bullies once and give them your lunch money, they don't go away; they keep coming back to demand more and more every day, and if you don't give in to them, they'll flush your head down a toilet pan or beat you up (or Zvan will squash you like a flea). Ron is now beholden to the bullies. He's ruined his career, I don't see him being there 12 months from now. The bullies will just continue their harassment to try and get Melody or ElevatorShit to take over from him.
Yeah, the sky is falling too. Give me a break. He gave them a minor concession. This is hardly a pattern, calm the fuck down until it is.

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Gumby wrote:
treestump wrote:
When you give in to bullies once and give them your lunch money, they don't go away; they keep coming back to demand more and more every day, and if you don't give in to them, they'll flush your head down a toilet pan or beat you up (or Zvan will squash you like a flea). Ron is now beholden to the bullies. He's ruined his career, I don't see him being there 12 months from now. The bullies will just continue their harassment to try and get Melody or ElevatorShit to take over from him.
Regardless of how one parses Lindsay's apology, he has opened himself up to being seen as weak, as not willing to tough it out and stand by his words, and therefore ripe for future picking. By caving in (even partially) to shrieking bullies, Lindsay has potentially put himself into the position of being viewed as their puppet. That is not the image one wants to project as the head of a major organization devoted to critical thinking and the intellectual independence that the concept of skepticism is critically bound to.

Even if all he did was apologize for hurt fee fees and not for what he actually said, the propaganda spinners are already making it clear (Greta's list of demands for example) that they consider Lindsay their bitch now.

All Lindsay has accomplished is to make himself look weak, vulnerable, and a tool of the FTBullies.
It matters zero fucks what it LOOKS like until we see something that actually matters, like a Melody promotion or the line up of speakers for Wis3.

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justinvacula wrote:From June 24 blog post "Watching and Waiting" by Stephanie Zvan concerning A.J. Johnson's complaint of wrongful termination and racial discrimination:

I will highlight what she says in this post compared to her attitudes on women making complaints of sexual harassment and claims that conferences are unsafe/hostile places for women:
Sometimes you come across things that shouldn’t be ignored but about which very little can reliably be known. AJ Johnson’s lawsuit against American Atheists, along with American Atheists’ response is one of those things. So I put this here to observe the occasion. I can’t speculate about any of it without being irresponsible.
But yet, without any evidence, and maybe mere personal testimony, we can just jump to conclusions about sexual harassment and conferences being unsafe/hostile.
All I can do with regard to this lawsuit is watch and wait, continue to pay attention as the case goes through discovery and litigation (or settlement), object to people drawing conclusions without facts or that are unwarranted by the facts, and know that no outcome will make me wholly happy.
But yet we shouldn't expect people to produce evidence when making specific claims of sexual harassment or that conferences are unsafe and hostile toward women. People need to "shut up and listen" and disagreement/skepticism is "invalidating experiences of women," "saying women are liars," and "mistrust of women." Random person x who says she has been sexually harassed should be believed simply because she says so, but A.J.'s lawsuit...well, we should just "watch and wait" while we "object to people drawing conclusions..."


Shut up and listen to the women...but only some women.
'Pitter* and black women need not apply.

*pitter women are those chill girls of white, black, asian, Hispanic and other mixed race/ethnicities/nationalities. their opinions do not count cause they post at a certain indecent forum.

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...and, I'm out to play some Ingress and kick some fucking Pitufo ass.

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codelette wrote:So now we went from "one sentence" to "bilingual"
http://i.imgur.com/qtsrEh1.png
Someone went and told on us or we have stalkers? Anyway, at least she now realizes that it should be bilingual and there is a lot more background work to be done.
codelette wrote: ...and she clarified that she was live tweeting some other Hispanic dude (therefore, her jab at Hispanic 'pitters justified...).
Oh I am sure that is all right then. Just bypass the hispanic women and talk directly to their men. That will go down really well with them I am sure. Oh and she should not be surprised if the guys have no idea what colour her eyes are.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I've had a good talk with Walter Ego on skype yesterday, voice to voice, and he seems to be nothing as creepy as he is sometimes painted here. He's going through a very difficult period with a shitload of problems I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I don't remember him saying anything creepy since he's been back on the Pit, so maybe cut him a little slack? He needs to "belong" for a while, and I'd love to see the pit being more welcoming and supportive, although that wouldn't prevent Pitters from calling bullshit if he says something phony.

/benevolent troll
I tried to be supportive - I heard him on Reap's podcast and he seemed normal enough - and he ignored me.

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
LurkerPerson wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote: It's obvious from his words how much genuine contempt he has for women. I'm not joking when I say the A+ rationale for this is "Black rappers can't be blamed for their supposed misogyny because the white-supremacist patriarchy force them to do it".
Not that this is unbelievable to me (after having seen some of the debates and arguements from FTB, very believable), but do you have a source where that was the consensus in a similar situation?
No direct link but Setar made a thread on A+ about "white people stealing rap music" (can't remember the exact title) and it went from there.
da Funq? What about the baboons stealing our ideas? Do we at least get credit? Shameless fuckers.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
JackSkeptic wrote:
PMZ has not compartmentalised as he thinks he has reconciled it. He does not think 'Vulcan' science can be used for social issues. Of course quite a few social scientists would not be happy with that view. But that's how he justifies not applying rationality to his beliefs instead of emotion. Its why you get terms such as 'plus' to atheism and 'Conscience' to FtB. All empty rhetoric of course.
Where did this Vulcan science thing originate? I've seen Nerd of Redhead using it obsessively in recent days, and assumed that an older boy must have taught it to him.
Nerd? That hopeless Vulcan wannabe. Priceless.

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Badger3k wrote:
Apples wrote:In case you were wondering whether Miley Cyrus's video is racist but it's misogynist to point it out, you can scratch that poignant post for yourself. It's like the polyamorous love child of a Yemmi poem, a Fiona Apple video, a Whitney biennial, Gwen Stefani's stylist, Ke$ha's sophistication, and the inventor of auto-tune -- the girl who recorded "Party in the U-S-A" is aaaaallll grown up. Or something. Definitely not a Nashville party, but a surefire summer hit. She and her ass look really cute, and her daddy must be very proud.
Edited the rest to save my sanity. WTF? That video (with the sound off, I can only take so much) seems like something a 12 year old thinks is sexy, edgy, and "gangsta". Sorry, Miley, throwing your hands around like your in the hood is pretty funny (or pathetic). Somehow, I can see a video coming out soon..."leave Miley alone!" after the inevitable crash and burn.
To be fair though, watch gangsta rap with the sound turned off and the pointy-scowly stuff is a laugh anyway.

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Parody Accountant wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you think of the work I do? http://www.vanden-eykel.com/photography/
I like your work. Regarding the following critique, I'm mainly perusing the 'portraits' section.

Overall-

Strengths:
-You're very good at using extreme light/dark contrasts. Typical portraits are 2:1 or 3:1, but you often crank it up to 11 for effect. It looks 'on-purpose' and artistic, rather than a shitty camera on auto-expose in mixed lighting conditions. See good examples: 'Serious' and 'Cowboy'
-Typically very good at leaving 'leading room' for where the action is heading (or where the person is looking). See: 'Little Cowboy' 'Metro Overpass'
- Very good use of balance (both symmetrical and asymmetrical) - 'Sunburning Man', 'Mirror', 'Down...'
- Consistently good focus / exposure.
- Competent use of the basics - rule of thirds, framing, leading lines. It's clear that generally when you're 'breaking the rules' that it's intentional (gotta know the rule to break it - as they said over and over in school.)

Improvements:
- For a forward facing portrait the general rule is to show at least 'two eyes and an ear'. Don't crop off their heads like 'Baby' 'Father' 'Hungry' and 'Smile'
- I probably would have cropped most of them *slightly* differently, to avoid chopping limbs/fingers/scalps. It's a tricky thing, but there are certain parts of the body that are more visually acceptable for cropping. Too hard to explain in text - something you have to see - probably side by side. Point is, there are better sweet spots to crop people.
- Saw one example of you not leaving room for the action - 'Maria Bamford'. She's facing left, yet you give her a whole lot of space to the right. Otherwise, you're very good at this concept.

I'd hire you for portraits, and also for sporting events / concerts / cultural events. I imagine you'd make decent money at wedding / baby / family / pregnant 'baby bump' photos. However, you seem to prefer the artistic side. Hope this helped.
Thanks, it does!

I've never taken any courses, so I'm feeling my way based solely on a personal esthetic, and bits and pieces that I pick up online, so it's nice to know that my instincts are good. I'd never heard the 'two eyes one ear' rule, so I'll keep that in mind.
With Maria Bamford, you're not wrong, but I was taking the shots for the club owner and I thought he'd appreciate having the club name be visible.
I doubt I'd do well at weddings though...too formal and too much pressure to capture peoples' 'special day' for this misanthrope to handle. Panoramic landscapes are where my heart is. :)

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Thanks for pointing to your work, bovarchist! Interesting shots, & esp the panoramic landscapes quite lovely.

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Justin tweeted a link to this Q he posted on facebook: "Can someone please explain to me why Rebecca Watson is included on a "Separation of Church and State" panel at the Empowering Women Through Secularism conference? Thank you."

https://www.facebook.com/justinvacula/p ... 5328364327

Some dude has derailed it onto abortion. Evangeline Claire (aka Eucliwood) is in the comments, giving as good as she gets.

I hope she contacts Lsuoma once she's 18 & can be reactivated here.

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Remick wrote:
Gumby wrote:
treestump wrote:
When you give in to bullies once and give them your lunch money, they don't go away; they keep coming back to demand more and more every day, ...
... All Lindsay has accomplished is to make himself look weak, vulnerable, and a tool of the FTBullies.
It matters zero fucks what it LOOKS like until we see something that actually matters, like a Melody promotion or the line up of speakers for Wis3.
What is the rational for having a WIS3? Is this a major mission of CFI? And is there a severe problem with respect to women in the movement that is so acute, and the solutions so elusive, that it need to be revisited in a national conference setting year after year?

Seems to me that, to the extent there are issues specific to women, it is part of the general problem (and the general goal) of increasing the participation of many groups that are currently underrepresented. General strategies with respect to outreach, accommodating special needs, making the things more "welcoming", understanding different "perspectives", increasing awareness of ingrained prejudices and biases, etc would be related to those for increasing participation of people from different ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic backgrounds.

And of course, while addressing these issues, one always has to keep an eye on the mission of the organization, which is to promote skepticism in society at large: lose sight of that goal and everything becomes pointless.

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some guy wrote:
Remick wrote:
Gumby wrote: ... All Lindsay has accomplished is to make himself look weak, vulnerable, and a tool of the FTBullies.
It matters zero fucks what it LOOKS like until we see something that actually matters, like a Melody promotion or the line up of speakers for Wis3.
What is the rational for having a WIS3? Is this a major mission of CFI? And is there a severe problem with respect to women in the movement that is so acute, and the solutions so elusive, that it need to be revisited in a national conference setting year after year?

Seems to me that, to the extent there are issues specific to women, it is part of the general problem (and the general goal) of increasing the participation of many groups that are currently underrepresented. General strategies with respect to outreach, accommodating special needs, making the things more "welcoming", understanding different "perspectives", increasing awareness of ingrained prejudices and biases, etc would be related to those for increasing participation of people from different ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic backgrounds.

And of course, while addressing these issues, one always has to keep an eye on the mission of the organization, which is to promote skepticism in society at large: lose sight of that goal and everything becomes pointless.
I was speaking only to Lindsay and his "appearing weak". I have no idea how important WiS3 would be to CFI or what their goals for it would be.

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