Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Southern]

Not to beat the naked photoshop to death, but Nugent seems to think that Ophelia's face shopped onto a nude picture of an older woman in a completely non-sexual manner is one of the worst crimes imaginable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ms. Benson pose (in a non-sexual manner) for a nude calandar a couple of years ago?

Granted, there's a world of difference between volunteering for something and having some idiot troll doing a photoshop of you, but outrage over one picture and none over a similar one strikes me as a bit false.

That's the thing: while the picture could be considered distasteful, it certainly not illegal. It would fall in the category of sattire (since it's a bad Photoshop, after all, nobody could mistake it for the "real thing"). Bad sattire, mind you, but that's still a matter of opinion.

"Distasteful" = moral judgement. So, are those wackos like Mike Nuggets saying that "moral judgement >= legal judgement"? I know a religion or two that would LOVE to hear that.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Nice try asshole. But that's not what calling you and your side out for being hypocritical is about. It is really quite simple, and as you are a bass player, simple should be right up your alley.

That was pure evil. Gonna use it tonight at rehearsal.

BASS SOLO!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

0:46. Don't ask...

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[Apples]

It strikes me that Nugent genuinely has the impression that "porn photoshops" and the like are actually common here (I believe there have been two, total? Whatever). Regardless, he's engaging in a quixotic quest. Even if every bit of coarse language and off-color humor were to disappear, what then? Would calling Ophie out for being dishonest and mediocre then become a focus for reform? Would he ask us to give PZ or Rebecca Watson a pass every time they say something stupid or hypocritical? At that point, it would only become more obvious that this is a battle of ideas, values, and priorities. He's a silly man who is doomed to lose this fight either way.

[LMU]

Why do you care about the opinions of strangers and enemies?

Because when a stranger or enemy goes to that level, it tells me they aren't decent people, I hate to see indecent people acting like assholes and getting away with.

Hey Superman, you aren't real. People are assholes. I recommend you stop allowing this to make you cry as much as you do.

Again, WHY are you giving RANDOM STRANGERS power over you?

I'm not letting them have power over me, and I'm not crying over it, but a lot of people do so I stand up to assholes like that. I don't like to see people getting picked on. It isn't just about me. It's about what I know it does to other people. It's called empathy.

So you would stand up to an "asshole" who drew Mohammed or nailed a cracker or desecrated a holy book? Because you have empathy for religious people and you know their hurt is not less important than others'?

[TedDahlberg]

I need to read more SJW forums, maybe there's some oppression that I'm overlooking and I need to claim.
Although, I was once accused of being privileged by skeptifem because I declared I was an engineer...

Oh, edumacation. (He said with a dismissive sneer.) Now there's privilege with a cherry on top. What makes you think you're better at engineering just because you went to some privileged school to study about it? Don't you know that SJ 101 contains a week-long segment on building houses in Skyrim? Top that!


OK, I might be feeling a tad sarcastic right about now…

Does it include a bow and arrow class? I could never hit those dragons, probably due to the fact that I had a female character and she had weak arms.

I wouldn't know, I played a privileged male green lizard who shot lightning at everything that moved. Which was quite obviously a metaphor for male sexual aggression.

[AbsurdWalls]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

The ISP was the same and it went to the county Oolon is known to live. But yes, it may not be Oolon.

Well over a million people live in the county that Oolon lives in. It is extremely weak "evidence".

[FrankGrimes]

My wife and I read the "Schrodinger's Rapist" "essay" last night. Now, I'm a little slow on the uptake on this kind of thing so she kindly explained some of it to me. Being a social worker I felt she was better placed than I to decipher the thing.

Maybe it's just her privilege but she thought the whole thing was damned hilarious.

The words she used to describe it were:

- inarticulate/unclear
- not evidence based
- disrespectful
- delusional
- definitely not representative of the general feminist population or reality

Then we laughed a lot about it.

I'm sure over at FTB or A+ she would be shouted down with the standard abuse but it's hard to fathom that people who have experience and knowledge would be marginalized because of it.

EVERYONE WELCOME FRANK GRIMES!

I hope he knows the traditional greeting is FUCK OFF.

Thank you rocko. Funny how satisfying that greeting can be :)

A big fuck off to you too. :)

[JackSkeptic]

It strikes me that Nugent genuinely has the impression that "porn photoshops" and the like are actually common here (I believe there have been two, total? Whatever). Regardless, he's engaging in a quixotic quest. Even if every bit of coarse language and off-color humor were to disappear, what then? Would calling Ophie out for being dishonest and mediocre then become a focus for reform? Would he ask us to give PZ or Rebecca Watson a pass every time they say something stupid or hypocritical? At that point, it would only become more obvious that this is a battle of ideas, values, and priorities. He's a silly man who is doomed to lose this fight either way.

Well I did some replies today on his blog. I did not hold back on what I wanted to say as I have got to the point I also see it is a complete waste of time and smells like a set up. You don't get to discuss using his methods, it is fundamentally dishonest or incompetent. But we will see.

[Southern]

It strikes me that Nugent genuinely has the impression that "porn photoshops" and the like are actually common here (I believe there have been two, total? Whatever). Regardless, he's engaging in a quixotic quest. Even if every bit of coarse language and off-color humor were to disappear, what then? Would calling Ophie out for being dishonest and mediocre then become a focus for reform? Would he ask us to give PZ or Rebecca Watson a pass every time they say something stupid or hypocritical? At that point, it would only become more obvious that this is a battle of ideas, values, and priorities. He's a silly man who is doomed to lose this fight either way.

And who the fuck is he, anyway, to pass moral judgement over the others? He can fuck himself right on his bloated man-cunt.

Hey Nuggets, if you want to be the new Pope, just go to the Vatican and apply for the job, asshole.

[JackSkeptic]

It strikes me that Nugent genuinely has the impression that "porn photoshops" and the like are actually common here (I believe there have been two, total? Whatever). Regardless, he's engaging in a quixotic quest. Even if every bit of coarse language and off-color humor were to disappear, what then? Would calling Ophie out for being dishonest and mediocre then become a focus for reform? Would he ask us to give PZ or Rebecca Watson a pass every time they say something stupid or hypocritical? At that point, it would only become more obvious that this is a battle of ideas, values, and priorities. He's a silly man who is doomed to lose this fight either way.

I get the impression Nugents reads but he does not understand when he comes here. Maybe he is just too busy for it all.

[Tigzy]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

The ISP was the same and it went to the county Oolon is known to live. But yes, it may not be Oolon.

Hampshire's a pretty big county with two heavily populated cities, and there was a discussion a while back here about the number of pitters hailing from this place (including myself); to suggest Noblehawk might be Ooley simply on the basis that both come from the same county is about as flimsy a speculation as you can get.

I agree with Absurdwalls - Oolon might be a massive berk, but even he would not be so dumb to jeapordise what little standing he has with his FTB pals by posting that 'shopped Ophelia pic without at least using a proxy IP address. The risk of backfire would just be too great; if Ophelia got the faintest suspicion that he was behind that pic, his goose would be well and truly cooked. So nah - probably not Oolon.

As an side-note, I did get a PM from Noblehawk asking me what was meant by the term 'FC5' - I wrote back and explained it to him, and that was pretty much that *shrugs* In the light of Absurdwall's post, I'm recking Noblehawk simply didn't quite get the hang of the spirit of this place, and made a major booboo. Nugent's pouncing on it so quickly is probably not too suspicious, given it's now clear he's intent on scouring the pit for material to use against it. I look forward to when he stumbles upon Decius' vastly more eloquent take on Ophelia: 'I have to ask the Slymepit: is it acceptable to be so demeaning to nuns in this way?'

[FrankGrimes]

FRANK GRIMES LOOKIT THIS

:lol: :lol: ahhhhh...rrrrrrAAAPE!

I turned Family Guy off for that. Well worth it. Thanks. And it really highlights how crazy it is.

[Richard Dworkins]

Goodness it's been a busy week. I've just caught up now and I had a few thoughts about Mike Nugents blog. Seems that the influence of Christian sanctimony and guiltmongering is much harder to dismiss for some than the concept of deity that underpins it. Good work by many there but he's obviously approaching this with an apriori prejudice. How very paternalist of him.

Mike Nugent got me wondering though.

Which is more sexist, a man defending an woman's honour on her behalf because both believe that she is too weak and fragile to suffer insult or the same man telling the same woman to grow up and stop being such a neurotic cunt? (I use it only in this sense as it is pertinent to the question)

[JackSkeptic]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

The ISP was the same and it went to the county Oolon is known to live. But yes, it may not be Oolon.

Well over a million people live in the county that Oolon lives in. It is extremely weak "evidence".

Yes I know. Which is why it was not mentioned at first and when brought up not refuted except once, from memory. But I tend to skip Oolons posts as its always full of drivel. Also with me I said same ISP. That was true.

[ERV]

and by the way, you get comments like that every gig? I get about one every 2 months, you probably do suck.

Indeed! I dont get hate-mail, in any form (email, YouTube, comments, etc). Following your train of thought, maybe Rebecca Watson really is just a loser leech bitch.

:think: :think: :think:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[JackSkeptic]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

The ISP was the same and it went to the county Oolon is known to live. But yes, it may not be Oolon.

Hampshire's a pretty big county with two heavily populated cities, and there was a discussion a while back here about the number of pitters hailing from this place (including myself); to suggest Noblehawk might be Ooley simply on the basis that both come from the same county is about as flimsy a speculation as you can get.

I agree with Absurdwalls - Oolon might be a massive berk, but even he would not be so dumb to jeapordise what little standing he has with his FTB pals by posting that 'shopped Ophelia pic without at least using a proxy IP address. The risk of backfire would just be too great; if Ophelia got the faintest suspicion that he was behind that pic, his goose would be well and truly cooked. So nah - probably not Oolon.

As an side-note, I did get a PM from Noblehawk asking me what was meant by the term 'FC5' - I wrote back and explained it to him, and that was pretty much that *shrugs* In the light of Absurdwall's post, I'm recking Noblehawk simply didn't quite get the hang of the spirit of this place, and made a major booboo. Nugent's pouncing on it so quickly is probably not too suspicious, given it's now clear he's intent on scouring the pit for material to use against it. I look forward to when he stumbles upon Decius' vastly more eloquent take on Ophelia: 'I have to ask the Slymepit: is it acceptable to be so demeaning to nuns in this way?'

I accept your point about Oolon which is why I said it was the same ISP not that it was certainly him. Anyway it was largely moot to much of what I posted there. I focused on Nugent's dishonest interpretation and patronising attitude of what happened yesterday.

[Lsuoma]

If you want to reply, reply there. It's my blog post and I'll own it, but I'll defend it on my own turf thank you.

But if I don't like what you say I'll ban you. FeeFee Mk II.

[Remick]

Funny but I see FTB'ers holding each other accountable for that shit ALL the time, so much so that the culture has changed quite a it over the last two years. Nut maybe that's just my confirmation bias at work because you couldn't possibly be a victim of confirmation bias yourself right?

They typically only hold each other accountable when the victim, or "The Offended"(tm) is one of them, and has appropriate oppressed status. Or has their own blog on FtB, or is RW. How many times do they dismiss complaints about offensive shit made by the out group, what was that? All the time.

There was the time Pitchguest called out PZ for trying to use Natalie Reed's departure to blame more on the pit, explicitly AGAINST her wishes. Then denied that Natalie had a donation button or was in dire straits herself(certainly compared to Greta, and which ever one of them needed a new computer). Did PZ do anything? NO. Well, maybe he banned Pitchguest. It wasn't until other who read Natalie came in to say "actually, everything Pitchguest said is true".

They are only accountable to the "approved" message, which can only come from the in group. Any/all Critics from 'Teh Outsidez' are to be ignored, mocked, or maligned. Example, Sam Harris. You may disagree with him on certain points. But Criticisms of Islam and Muslim culture is not automatically racist against Arabs, and people who believe this are woefully ignorant of the demographic makeup of Muslims. Yet Sam Harris is the racist, and isn't allowed to push back against being called one?

[karlaporter]

Well Windy did send me this but i have no idea who i is.

(Link removed by Karla)

Edit - I have deleted the tags which embed the image, but left the link. Note: this is a picture of a naked old lady's body onto which the head of Ophelia Benson was photoshopped. Feel free to visit the link and see for yourself, but there is nothing useful to be gained by doing so.

I feel great empathy for the woman who was most likely photographed without even knowing it. Elder abuse is a sad event. And if she did know it I'm thinking she didn't really understand what the outcome might be. It would be hard to think she wouldn't care. For the person whose head is photoshopped onto the unfortunate woman's body to be upset for herself rather than the real victim is also sad.

[Remick]

"Intent is not magic"

Way to misunderstand what that term means [meta]

Way to deal with a stupid, dishonest jackanape in the only way possible. you said you weren't going to engage here, yet since you wrote that, you've been here more than ever. Stop saying shit you never had any intent of taking seriously, and maybe people will stop treating you as though you are a dishonest hypocrite.

So I'm the only person you've ever seen not stick a flounce then? We're all dishonest? I can't just change my mind with out being a liar? Tell ya what, I'll amend that statement on my blog. I meant it then, now I'm here, changed my mind. Is that ok or am I a liar?

Charity ftw

Oh fuck you and your one-way charity. You came in here about as charitable as a rusty circular saw, and now that people aren't treating you all nice, you're butthurt. Wah. Cry. Come on, squirt a few. Cry for us.

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[Ericb]

The perfect gift for the internet martyr:

http://theamericanjesus.net/wp-content/ ... 151017.jpg

[Lsuoma]

oolon, slimy turn, oolon (the original account) and noblehawk2 all have the same ISP.

My bet is it's oolon.

I thought these forums were able to show admins the IP addresses of posters.
https://www.phpbb.com/support/documenta ... or_mcp.php

They do - I have all three IP adresses.

[Lsuoma]

Welch, do you think someone who makes a fat joke about someone they don't know in line at a grocery store is an asshole?

Depends. Is the joke funny or lame?

Ok so you're an asshole, and proud of it, congrats, I'm done with you.

Until tomorrow.

[Mzone]

If you want a break from the tone trolling of Michael Nugent. Clean energy is near and dear to me and medical radioactive isotopes to treat cancers are in terribly short supply.

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Mzone

[Remick]

Hi all. What a lovely forum you have here. Been lurking for a while and enjoying the conversation. Just thought this would be a good time to jump in seeing as how I'm a drummer.

Fuck off all of you.

@erik, I do gigs every week. At least three. Every single gig I do there is someone who is more than happy to offer up their negative opinion of either my playing, someone else's playing, the whole band, the lighting guy, the FOH guy, the stage guy etc etc. Only last weekend I had a guy tell me after the set that he didn't like me. Thought I was a jerk. Why? Who gives a shit. A few months ago someone told me I needed to smile more. Last week some lady thought my drumming was absolute crap. Apparently the bass player was shit too. In the last month we've been told how we need to improve to "make it big" i.e. "Stop doing all those solos. They are fucked." Insults are a dime a dozen for me.

But you know what? I.do.not.give.a.shit. I will never see these people again. To me it's all fucking funny actually. We all have a big laugh about it.

I think you should do the same.

And BTW I watched the video of you playing bass. Yeah you're fat but shit, you look much cooler than that singer! Fat tends to work with bass players. That singer...... not so much.

Cheers all.

Good old Grimey.

[tina]

I was cross. I prob shouldn't have accused oily outright. Objection sustained m'lud.

Will someone freeze everything? I no longer have any confidence that Nugent will not at some point declare victory and wipe everything.

[Remick]

PPS. I brought the engineer tidbit to the table because somebody else mentioned the fact that it was so difficult for women to go into science because of sexism and blah blah blah...you get my drift...

The biggest barrier I saw when I was at en engineering school was that they don't take the classes!
Although in many areas they did, most women at the school studied bio-medical engineering or something in the area of Biology or Chemistry. Few took Mechanical or Civil, fewer still took electrical or Software engineering, fewer still were going for physics or math degrees. All the women I know who studied engineering all have great careers, and almost all of them are still in the field they studied as an undergrad.

It isn't Sexism in the field, maybe it was 30-50 years ago, but it isn't now. I will say, if you want more women in STEM, all that is required is to encourage and nurture that desire in young girls who express interest. MOST children are blown away by science(at least one field) and are plenty interest, it is just that either their parents or teachers strip them of that wonderment and interest before they reach high school.

[Tigzy]

@Tina

Nugent declared victory even before he put his first post up. Don't sweat it.

Bad you for getting cross at Ooley, though - how can you let that imbecile wind you up, when his 'trolling' consists largely of his own self-abasement for the amusement of others? Really, he's our sitcom. Enjoy him.

The Oolon guide to trolling:

Oolon: shits himself.
Normal person: ''Jesus Christ, Ooloey - you just shit yourself! What the fu-"
Oolon (points at normal person): "Haw haw! Trolled you!"
Normal person: "But you've just gone and shit in your own trousers!!"
Oolon: "TROLOLOLOLOL!"

[welch]

I need to read more SJW forums, maybe there's some oppression that I'm overlooking and I need to claim.
Although, I was once accused of being privileged by skeptifem because I declared I was an engineer...

Having a job is clearly a sign of being a gender traitor.

Here:

( I'm part of the elite class :lol: )

Back before I understood how crazy people get over all of this, I was discussing on Skepchick the idea of rape culture and whether someone could feel morally obligated to have sex. I posited that say a wife has the kids go to the sitter,gets something sexy, has a nice dinner and bottle of wine prepared for a surprise night with her hubby. Would it be wrong for her to feel disappointed if her hubby showed up and decided to watch the game instead? Yes, I was told, because she is promoting rape culture.

Yet it is okay for them to promote idiocracy culture. Sigh.

[Struth]

oolon, slimy turn, oolon (the original account) and noblehawk2 all have the same ISP.

My bet is it's oolon.

I thought these forums were able to show admins the IP addresses of posters.
https://www.phpbb.com/support/documenta ... or_mcp.php

They do - I have all three IP adresses.

Name and shame the IP address(es). Please.

They have forfeited their right to anonymity.

[welch]

My wife and I read the "Schrodinger's Rapist" "essay" last night. Now, I'm a little slow on the uptake on this kind of thing so she kindly explained some of it to me. Being a social worker I felt she was better placed than I to decipher the thing.

Maybe it's just her privilege but she thought the whole thing was damned hilarious.

The words she used to describe it were:

- inarticulate/unclear
- not evidence based
- disrespectful
- delusional
- definitely not representative of the general feminist population or reality

Then we laughed a lot about it.

I'm sure over at FTB or A+ she would be shouted down with the standard abuse but it's hard to fathom that people who have experience and knowledge would be marginalized because of it.

I pretty much agree with her completely. As I said on dissention, that essay would make a lot more sense if it a) was called Schrodinger's Asshole and b) didn't actively shame people who don't meet the author's definition of "pretty"

[Lurkion]

My wife and I read the "Schrodinger's Rapist" "essay" last night. Now, I'm a little slow on the uptake on this kind of thing so she kindly explained some of it to me. Being a social worker I felt she was better placed than I to decipher the thing.

Maybe it's just her privilege but she thought the whole thing was damned hilarious.

The words she used to describe it were:

- inarticulate/unclear
- not evidence based
- disrespectful
- delusional
- definitely not representative of the general feminist population or reality

Then we laughed a lot about it.

I'm sure over at FTB or A+ she would be shouted down with the standard abuse but it's hard to fathom that people who have experience and knowledge would be marginalized because of it.

EVERYONE WELCOME FRANK GRIMES!

I hope he knows the traditional greeting is FUCK OFF.

Thank you rocko. Funny how satisfying that greeting can be :)

A big fuck off to you too. :)

Woah! Ease up!

Where do you think you are?

Pfft. You welcome a guy and he swears in response to you.

[welch]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

Prior to you pointing that out, the evidence we found showed that the probability of Oolio was rather high, and given his past behavior, not out of the question at all. Given that "oolon" is a nym in and of itself, the idea that he has multiples is not out of the question either. I would also ask how do you know THAT noblehawk2 is the same one that posted the image?

[tina]

@Tina

Nugent declared victory even before he put his first post up. Don't sweat it.

Bad you for getting cross at Ooley, though - how can you let that imbecile wind you up, when his 'trolling' consists largely of his own self-abasement for the amusement of others? Really, he's our sitcom. Enjoy him.

The Oolon guide to trolling:

Oolon: shits himself.
Normal person: ''Jesus Christ, Ooloey - you just shit yourself! What the fu-"
Oolon (points at normal person): "Haw haw! Trolled you!"
Normal person: "But you've just gone and shit in your own trousers!!"
Oolon: "TROLOLOLOLOL!"

Lol. Please take me to the dunces corner.....is there a silly hat?

[agarybuseychristmas]

Schrodinger's Rapist translated:

"I as a woman have been taught to irrationally fear men due to both patriarchal upbringing, feminist whinging, and just my own feels. As such, men, you are obligated to placate my unfounded fears for the sake of my comfort and avoid all contact with me, even if this contact boils down to me seeing you in the corner of my eye.

Also, women, if you take offense to this demand, you're a special snowflake."

[Patrick]

Windy continues to impress at Nugent's blog:

This time I’ll give just two examples, as the fifty examples I gave last time have proved to be too daunting to respond to without citing context.

Michael, perhaps you in your infinite compassion could lead by example and explain what specific criteria did you use to evaluate
a) when quote mining is ethically acceptable
b) that it’s appropriate to characterise opposition to quotemining as ‘proved to be too daunting to respond’
c) that it’s proper to use an example of blatant trolling, which was immediately called out as such, to try to paint a whole group as not experiencing empathy and compassion at your ‘level’?

On a related note, I've seen several people challenge Nugent's poisoning of the well by inaccurately framing the discussion in terms of "pushback against feminists" rather than "mocking of hypocrites" but have yet to see him respond. If anyone here knows him well enough to send an email suggesting that he start from a more balanced, skeptical perspective, I suspect the conversation there might actually stand a chance of being productive. At the very least, it's demonstrating to all lurkers that at least a few frequent commenters here aren't as vile as the FTB/A+/Skepchick "leaders" would have everyone believe.

[some guy]

'Pitter, change your ways...
http://i.imgur.com/3TbcYat.png

Patronizing much?

He's acting like a parent using pointed questioning to try to lead a child to verbalize the (predetermined) error of their ways. So much for his claim of acting in good faith.

[Dick Strawkins]

Skepsheik reminds Nugent that the Irish Atheist themselves are struggling with the ethics of removing things from their own website.

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ent-197277

Michael, thank you for your continued close attention towards the material posted on The Slymepit.
And thank you for reminding us that genuinely offensive material online should be dealt with immediately. I couldn’t agree more. Which leads me to wonder whether you have a very different view of ‘offensive’ compared to others.
I guess our personal experiences are crucial here.
My own background is that of an Irish atheist with a mixed race family. The explicit racism I and my family members have experienced tends to make me sensitive to particular expressions and slurs, many of which have been thrown in our direction in the past.
Expressions like: “nigger,” “raghead”, ”coon” or “paki”. The sort of deeply offensive epithets that have long since been regarded as acceptable almost anywhere.
The exception, unfortunately, being your own organization’s website.
Despite numerous complaints about the offensive nature of this material – many of them from over three years ago - you have chosen to allow it to remain untouched.
I myself sent you a list of disgustingly offensive material that you were hosting at the blasphemy.ie site several days ago.
It is still there today.
Your reasoning is curious.
“we have left them published on our website to make the point that we do not want blasphemy criminalised, even if we ourselves would not personally agree with all of the blasphemous comments that other people make.”
Is there a difference between blasphemy and vile offensive racism?
I would like to suggest there is, and that you would do well to educate yourself about this matter.
I note your other comment:
“We’ll look again at that publishing decision in light of the current discussion. I think it is important that none of us allow ourselves to remain trapped in insisting that a decision is correct merely because we believed it was correct three years ago.”
Tell me Michael, doesn’t that sound rather like you, yourself, are ‘struggling with the ethics of removing’ this material`?
Well, perhaps you should stop reading The Slymepit and instead struggle a little quicker with the moral cesspit on your own doorstep.
While your organization has good intentions it is clearly suffering from race-blindness. I can assure you that the reluctance to address the sort of racist language is a continued barrier that hinders the engagement of those of us who aren’t, like almost the entirety of your current members, ‘pure Irish’ (yes, that’s an expression those from mixed race families often hear).
Michael, the creation of a welcoming online space is a worthy goal.
Let us work together to achieve this.
The Slymepit is not a perfect place for everyone, and there are perhaps too many jokes for my liking based purely on personal appearances. Your own organization’s online space, as I’ve highlighted below, is shockingly racist, xenophobic, homophobic and misogynistic, but I have hope that dialogue between you and those of us who are personally hurt by such explicit online bigotry will lead to a resolution.
To help you with your ethical struggle, I’ve listed some of the vile material you are currently hosting.
Offensive material from blasphemy.ie
1. I shit on the fucking gay holy spirit , Jesus Christ is a gay murdering rapist
2. Jesus beat off his wise men and won over all of mankind with the first money shot ever stained into the memories of all who were there to see this wonderful joyous occasion of ultimate release. Let their be BUKKAKE!
3. Is this law stupid? Does the Pope bugger alter boys?
4. Well it says a whole heapo about the Irish Parliament really. A bunch of backward sheep shagging ingrates who such too maby roman catholick cocks to make sense of reality as lived by the normal people ande sheeple of the world. Have them all hung drawn and quartered then lets start on the priests.
5. PLEASE DELETE REFERENCES TO “PAKIS” (COMMENT 80) AND “LEPRA COON” (COMMNENT 83). (comment on 3rd Jan 2010
6. The Catholic Church is a morally bankrupt organization of men in dresses who pass their time by killing Africans and protecting pedophiles.
7. Is the new blasphemy “law” passed by the Neanderthals in Leinster House designed to protect the Roman Catholic Church of Paedophilia from criticism, as well as giving precedence to the Homopithecines over Homo sapiens??
8. Bring it on, you’re all such girlie pussies
9. God is fiction, a creation of ancient man, and only fools (Christians, Jews, Muslims, et. al.) believe otherwise.
10. I shit on god, yahweh, mohammed, buddah and all the other imaginary fairies and especially those filthy fianna fail swine who could pass another law to help their friends in the rc church of pederasty.
11. Mexican tourist deciding his next vacation based in the dangers of the laws of the country: Ireland or Afghanistan? it is probably safer to be an atheist prostitute in Afghanistan…
12. As my first contribution, I submit these images of the mass-murdering, child molesting false prophet called Mohammed. http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
13. “Damn, that bitch could suck a good dick!”Cause sucking dick brings peace on Earth and Joy!!
14. Allah is a homosexual. Comment by Jesus Christ
15. your church and leaders are and have allways been self serving cunts just like the Arabs Brits and Yanks.
16. “Fuck that Bee Gee-looking dick on the cross”
17. Mohammad sucked donkey dicks.
18. “Jesus fucked his mother in the Ass-hole”
19. You bucnh of absolute Leprauchaunich wankers…It’s cunts like you who are the fucking bane of this Earth..You should (but I don’t reckon you sick shitheads are_…be ashamed of yourself..into the toilet bowl with you and you’re god!
20. God is a whore. I fucked her yesterday. It was pretty expensive, €200/month, but totally worth it! I was considering taking the “rape Jesus” deal instead, but I opted for a special “Religion Crew Programme” campaign they were running right now. It goes like this: You fuck god up her ass, while Jesus, Moses and Muhammad watch you. They are behind a window, and watching me fuck god up the ass, while they masturbate. That really turned me on! I can recommend it to anyone who is interested!
21. Q: What do Mohammed and the Catholic Church have in common? A: They both like to fuck nine year olds!
22. If there was a god then Henry has his hand…The cheating robbing cuntfuck!!
23. Q’ What did the prophet Muhammed have in common with Horror Villain Freddy Kruger? A; They both preyed on young children the only real difference is Kruger was a child killer while the false prophet Muhammed was a child molester
24. Sign your mothers pussy, bitch
25. Q: What is the difference between Mohamed and the Catholic Church? A: Mohamed only fucked ONE nine year old.
26. Actually, we don’t need to blaspheme against religious ideas. All we need is to relentlessly call all believers idiots.
27. Fianna Fail spread her cheeks wide with eager anticipation as Jesus and the Holy Ghost drew straws for the honor of rewarding her with a rim job for returning Ireland to the Dark Ages.

Original list I posted several days ago and which is still present on your website:

1. Misogynistic language, slut shaming: “The “virgin” Mary was so-called because she preferred to take it up the ass when she partied with the shepherds of Judea. Joseph was well aware of this, in fact it was this reputation that attracted him to her. Hence his surprise when she got pregnant. Apparently it was easier to believe the child was the son of God than that some of Joseph’s jizz had dribbled into Mary’s blessed vagina after he pulled out of her ass.”
2. Sexist language, sex worker shaming: “Jesus was a lying bastard son of a whore!”
3. Treating child rape and sexual abuse as a topic for light hearted jokes: “Whats the difference between a priest and a pimple? -the pimple waits until your 13 to come on your face!”
4. Racism, homophobia, bigotry: “Muhammed (piss be upon him) blows gay camels!”
5. Racism, homophobia, bigotry: “Fuck me jeesus, Mohammed, Mary mother, christ dat takes it up the arse. What has the world come to? I did not know Ireland had Ragheads? The whole world is going to Shiate, We need to bring out a new brand of toilet paper. Athiest Double Ply, made from the Koran and the Bible and start wiping our arses with it.”
6. Gendered epithet:” to show the true backwardness and absurdity of religion, far more serious verbal bitch-slapping is required.”
7. Homophobia, sex shaming: “Jesus fucking Mohammed fucking Vishnu fucking Xenu. It’s the four-way-fuck of faith!”
8. Racism, bigotry: ““She’s a little old but Shiate, I’ll have a chop at her persian forrest!” He jumps on board and humps away screaming Allah Ackbad, Allah Ackbad Take my mighty Choad and three hairy balls you Amazonian Infidel.”
9. Racist epithet: “I hope the Pakis fail in their efforts to bring this in at the UN.”
10. Ableist language: “Anyone who believes in any sort of god is a complete and utter moron.”
11. Racist epithet: “‘Jesus is a trick on niggers”
12. Gendered epithet: “I respect all beliefs, what I dont respect is some TWAT or some stupid Political body telling us what we can or cannot say.”
13. Gendered epithet: “if God wants to strike me down… well then… BRING IT ON BITCH!!!”
14. Gendered epithet: ” I SAY YOUR GOD IS A WANKER ,AS ARE THE TWATS WHO FOLLOW THE DIRGE RIDDEN TOME AKA THE BIBLE”
15. Gendered epithet: “Get a life you self hypnotising pricks”
16. Racism, bigotry, albelist language: “If we’re making some moronic reactionary stupid fecking laws maybe we should make a “sensible” one like if you’re a muslim you’re not allowed on a fecking plane!”
17. Gendered epithet: “Never have I seen a God thats such a cunt as God”
18. Praising Hitler: “Fuck this sham of a fucking law, i believe in Hitlerism, don’t mock my saviour”
19. Homophobic, sex shaming: “Couldn’t someone just knock up a cartoon of Jesus fucking Mohammed in the arse”
20. Gendered epithet, homophobia: “God’s cunt is a faggot”
21. Ableist language, fat shaming: “Bjork is an lame brained moron. I am guessing she learned about Buddhism from comic books. Rather than banning blasphemy, (which doesn’t exist in Buddhism), please ban idiocy from porkers like Bjorker.”
22. Homophobia: “WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW! Boning Buddha.”
23. Gendered epithet, sex worker shaming: “Mary was a prostitute who sold her cunt for cash.”
24. Gendered epithet: “Fuck the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass bitches”
25. Sex worker shaming language: “I shit on God, the cross, the carpenter who made it, and the son of a whore who planted the pine.”
26. Pharyngula-style rape torture and murder wishes: “Fuck the “Holy” Mother Church, especially the Irish franchise, and may the pope and all hypocrites get severely thrashed in the bum with a burning iron until they bleed to death.”
27. Racism, homophobia, animal rape: “Muhammad loved it in the ass as well. That is to say, he liked the environment inside a donkey. This is why Islam is rapidly growing; only those of sub-average intelligence could be attracted to such shit.”
28. Homophobia: “The Pope is the leader of the most vile and sickening organisation of sado-masochistic paedophiles, cock suckers, ass fuckers, hypocrites and liars”
29. Making a joke about the serious issue of child abuse: ““Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.””
30. Violent suicide encouragement: “THE IRISH GOVERNMENT CAN GO AND KILL ITSELF! ! !”
31. Homophobia, joking about child abuse: “about the comment ‘bugger god’, maybe that’s what the priests wanted to do but found their target rather elusive, so picked on children instead. Poor old Ireland!”
32. Sexist language, slut shaming: “just for the record… jesus was a bastard and mary an unmarried tart!”
33. Gendered Epithet: “God is a fucking cunt”
34. Ableist language: “Lets see how fast a moron takes offence to this.”
35. Gendered epithet and misogynistic language: “God fuck Dermot Ahern, the bitch that bred him and the dog she did it with”
36. Antisemitism: “the jews started all this baloney with their fairy tales”
37. Homophobia: “Blasphemy, blasphemy, Jesus takes it up the ass fer me!”
38. Gendered epithet: “Jesus is a cunt”
39. Antisemitism, homophobia: “Jesus and Hitler are gay for eachother”
40. Sexist language: “Why do women love Jesus? Because he’s hung like this (spreads arms)”

[debaser71]

IMO I don't really care to talk about "morality". Sounds too religious to me. I used to say that I was a "moral relativist" but the definition has warped a bit so instead I simply say that I am not a moral absolutist. In college (way back when) I took some philosophy courses and a lot of what we did was to think of exceptions to rules like "stealing is wrong". Stealing is not always wrong because .... [insert story about a poor man who steals medicine from the rich pharmacist for his very sick wife].

I find Micheal Nugent's three blog posts about the morality of calling women cunts to be tiresome to read. Just say what you fucking mean Michael. I prefer plain speak I suppose. In science writing I was always taught to be clear and concise. (Now I'm just lazy). I hate snarky girl college speak and I hate pseudo-intellectual mealy mouth speak.

Anyway it's pretty clear to me that MN wants to shows his friends his femcred. He doesn't really want to discuss anything with anyone. IMO.

[SkepticalCat]

Thank you rocko. Funny how satisfying that greeting can be :)

A big fuck off to you too. :)

Hello, Grimey! I thought you were dead! :doh: :)

[ReneeHendricks]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

FWIW, I don't think it's Oolon either. I do think it's someone attempting to ramp up the drama, however.

[karlaporter]

Skepsheik reminds Nugent that the Irish Atheist themselves are struggling with the ethics of removing things from their own website.

Oh my goodness....... pots calling kettles black, tit for tat, goose and gander tactics, skeletons in the closet ---> A circus. :o

[LMU]

oolon, slimy turn, oolon (the original account) and noblehawk2 all have the same ISP.

My bet is it's oolon.

I thought these forums were able to show admins the IP addresses of posters.
https://www.phpbb.com/support/documenta ... or_mcp.php

They do - I have all three IP adresses.

Name and shame the IP address(es). Please.

They have forfeited their right to anonymity.

No they haven't. If you have a good reason for wanting the IPs, then PM Lsuoma.

[Dick Strawkins]

IMO I don't really care to talk about "morality". Sounds too religious to me. I used to say that I was a "moral relativist" but the definition has warped a bit so instead I simply say that I am not a moral absolutist. In college (way back when) I took some philosophy courses and a lot of what we did was to think of exceptions to rules like "stealing is wrong". Stealing is not always wrong because .... [insert story about a poor man who steals medicine from the rich pharmacist for his very sick wife].

I find Micheal Nugent's three blog posts about the morality of calling women cunts to be tiresome to read. Just say what you fucking mean Michael. I prefer plain speak I suppose. In science writing I was always taught to be clear and concise. (Now I'm just lazy). I hate snarky girl college speak and I hate pseudo-intellectual mealy mouth speak.

Anyway it's pretty clear to me that MN wants to shows his friends his femcred. He doesn't really want to discuss anything with anyone. IMO.

I don't think he had any idea it would blow up in his face like this.
I think he thought Justin Vacula was the worst he would face.
Unfortunately for him his organization has just received a rough shake (or should I say Sheik! :rimshot:) and there's a lot of skeletons tumbling out of the Irish Atheist closet.
A certain individual, who seems to love posting huge lists of Irish Atheist online transgressions :D , tells me that this is only the beginning for Michael.
A reporter from 'The Irish Times' has spotted the debacle and has been in contact.
Expect this to get much bigger! :popcorn:

[ReneeHendricks]

Well Windy did send me this but i have no idea who i is.

(Link removed by Karla)

Edit - I have deleted the tags which embed the image, but left the link. Note: this is a picture of a naked old lady's body onto which the head of Ophelia Benson was photoshopped. Feel free to visit the link and see for yourself, but there is nothing useful to be gained by doing so.

I feel great empathy for the woman who was most likely photographed without even knowing it. Elder abuse is a sad event. And if she did know it I'm thinking she didn't really understand what the outcome might be. It would be hard to think she wouldn't care. For the person whose head is photoshopped onto the unfortunate woman's body to be upset for herself rather than the real victim is also sad.

That's the way it's about to roll. As Nugent was kind enough to tweet Ophelia the link to his latest post, her outrage will commence shortly. Doubtful that the woman who has that body will even be given the tiniest of thoughts.

[LMU]

Skepsheik reminds Nugent that the Irish Atheist themselves are struggling with the ethics of removing things from their own website.

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ent-197277

--Skepsheik's post--

Skepsheik has made some impressive posts there through all this.

[Submariner]

Atheist Ireland Members:

Please review the recent series of posts by your chairperson with respect to:

1. Creationist style quote-mining.
2. Dogmatism in predetermining a course of action regardless of the evidence (
3. Hypocrisy in impugning the morals of one group's comments while ignoring similar comments in his own back yard.

I have no idea if AI is a democratic institution, but if it is I certainly hope these recent activities are kept in your minds at election time.
YMMV

[Apples]

Zvan reminds everyone what this is really all about:

The last thing we’re doing right now is having an argument over what words are polite. This is an argument over who gets to participate in our movements. Don’t forget that for a minute. It’s the only light in which all of this makes sense.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... the-words/
http://www.freezepage.com/1362666269FBBGSFSKFG

[debaser71]

IMO I don't really care to talk about "morality". Sounds too religious to me. I used to say that I was a "moral relativist" but the definition has warped a bit so instead I simply say that I am not a moral absolutist. In college (way back when) I took some philosophy courses and a lot of what we did was to think of exceptions to rules like "stealing is wrong". Stealing is not always wrong because .... [insert story about a poor man who steals medicine from the rich pharmacist for his very sick wife].

I find Micheal Nugent's three blog posts about the morality of calling women cunts to be tiresome to read. Just say what you fucking mean Michael. I prefer plain speak I suppose. In science writing I was always taught to be clear and concise. (Now I'm just lazy). I hate snarky girl college speak and I hate pseudo-intellectual mealy mouth speak.

Anyway it's pretty clear to me that MN wants to shows his friends his femcred. He doesn't really want to discuss anything with anyone. IMO.

I don't think he had any idea it would blow up in his face like this.
I think he thought Justin Vacula was the worst he would face.
Unfortunately for him his organization has just received a rough shake (or should I say Sheik! :rimshot:) and there's a lot of skeletons tumbling out of the Irish Atheist closet.
A certain individual, who seems to love posting huge lists of Irish Atheist online transgressions :D , tells me that this is only the beginning for Michael.
A reporter from 'The Irish Times' has spotted the debacle and has been in contact.
Expect this to get much bigger! :popcorn:

Without any implications regarding other people here...I do not delight in seeing Irish atheists (my wife is very Irish and her whole family has been atheists for several generations) dragged through the mud. IMO these gender feminists are toxic. IMO Michael Nugent should disassociate himself and his organization with such people. These gender feminists IMO don't really care about atheism or secularism or freethought, they are trying to use the "atheist movement"...what's it called "mission creep"? IMO pushing their gender feminist dogma is what matters. They don't care who they ruin in the process.

[welch]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

The ISP was the same and it went to the county Oolon is known to live. But yes, it may not be Oolon.

Well over a million people live in the county that Oolon lives in. It is extremely weak "evidence".

Unless you can show that all million are posting on this board or even similar issues, then the number of people in the county is somewhat immaterial. Do they all have the same ISP and ONLY that ISP? If not, then how many?

There are millions of people in NYC, that doesn't mean each of them are equally likely to be posting on a given message board.

[welch]

It strikes me that Nugent genuinely has the impression that "porn photoshops" and the like are actually common here (I believe there have been two, total? Whatever). Regardless, he's engaging in a quixotic quest. Even if every bit of coarse language and off-color humor were to disappear, what then? Would calling Ophie out for being dishonest and mediocre then become a focus for reform? Would he ask us to give PZ or Rebecca Watson a pass every time they say something stupid or hypocritical? At that point, it would only become more obvious that this is a battle of ideas, values, and priorities. He's a silly man who is doomed to lose this fight either way.

I get the impression Nugents reads but he does not understand when he comes here. Maybe he is just too busy for it all.

He's not reading to understand. He's reading to find juicy quote he can use to "win".

[welch]

In a blatant attempt to restore his tarnished status with Ophelia and her chums, Nugent takes issue with the photoshop posted earlier http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ked-image/

You think he missed the bit where we all knew it was a plant? Also that it linked to Oolon's isp?

I am a bit disappointed in how people are willing to try to pin this on Oolon.

If you do a search for Noblehawk2 on Google you find a YouTube account that has existed for two years with a history of engagement in this sort of topic (a fan of The Amazing Atheist, etc). So either Oolon has been working on a second identity since before he was even involved with the A/S community (I think I have the timeline right), Oolon is impersonating another real person here (who might be inclined to say "Hey, that's not me!"), or Noblehawk2 is not Oolon.

Intelligence is normally-distributed, it should be no surprise when a few people come here to demonstrate that. It was a shitty thing to have done and it appears that Noblehawk2 is suitably ashamed, judging from the lack of any attempt from him to justify or defend what he did.

Not a troll or a plant. Just an asshole.

The ISP was the same and it went to the county Oolon is known to live. But yes, it may not be Oolon.

Hampshire's a pretty big county with two heavily populated cities, and there was a discussion a while back here about the number of pitters hailing from this place (including myself); to suggest Noblehawk might be Ooley simply on the basis that both come from the same county is about as flimsy a speculation as you can get.

I agree with Absurdwalls - Oolon might be a massive berk, but even he would not be so dumb to jeapordise what little standing he has with his FTB pals by posting that 'shopped Ophelia pic without at least using a proxy IP address. The risk of backfire would just be too great; if Ophelia got the faintest suspicion that he was behind that pic, his goose would be well and truly cooked. So nah - probably not Oolon.

As an side-note, I did get a PM from Noblehawk asking me what was meant by the term 'FC5' - I wrote back and explained it to him, and that was pretty much that *shrugs* In the light of Absurdwall's post, I'm recking Noblehawk simply didn't quite get the hang of the spirit of this place, and made a major booboo. Nugent's pouncing on it so quickly is probably not too suspicious, given it's now clear he's intent on scouring the pit for material to use against it. I look forward to when he stumbles upon Decius' vastly more eloquent take on Ophelia: 'I have to ask the Slymepit: is it acceptable to be so demeaning to nuns in this way?'

Yay, more evidence that it's not Oolio. Awesome.

[karlaporter]

Well Windy did send me this but i have no idea who i is.

(Link removed by Karla)

Edit - I have deleted the tags which embed the image, but left the link. Note: this is a picture of a naked old lady's body onto which the head of Ophelia Benson was photoshopped. Feel free to visit the link and see for yourself, but there is nothing useful to be gained by doing so.

I feel great empathy for the woman who was most likely photographed without even knowing it. Elder abuse is a sad event. And if she did know it I'm thinking she didn't really understand what the outcome might be. It would be hard to think she wouldn't care. For the person whose head is photoshopped onto the unfortunate woman's body to be upset for herself rather than the real victim is also sad.

That's the way it's about to roll. As Nugent was kind enough to tweet Ophelia the link to his latest post, her outrage will commence shortly. Doubtful that the woman who has that body will even be given the tiniest of thoughts.

Oh dear... It could well be called the new "Battle of the Bulge".

[UnbelieveSteve]

EVERYONE WELCOME FRANK GRIMES!

I hope he knows the traditional greeting is FUCK OFF.

Thank you rocko. Funny how satisfying that greeting can be :)

A big fuck off to you too. :)

Fuck off Frank!
Yep, that roles off the tongue nicely.

[welch]

Well Windy did send me this but i have no idea who i is.

(Link removed by Karla)

Edit - I have deleted the tags which embed the image, but left the link. Note: this is a picture of a naked old lady's body onto which the head of Ophelia Benson was photoshopped. Feel free to visit the link and see for yourself, but there is nothing useful to be gained by doing so.

I feel great empathy for the woman who was most likely photographed without even knowing it. Elder abuse is a sad event. And if she did know it I'm thinking she didn't really understand what the outcome might be. It would be hard to think she wouldn't care. For the person whose head is photoshopped onto the unfortunate woman's body to be upset for herself rather than the real victim is also sad.

I have an ex girlfriend who worked in a porn shop. One of the staff "duties" was to review DVDs returned as "damaged". It was a common kind of fraud, to get out of paying rental fees.

Until then, while I might have had an idea that "granny porn" existed, I most certainly did not know it was *popular*. After awhile, i learned that if she came home from work with a brand new bottle of vodka, no one wanted to go into the spare room. She still only shudders when you say "granny porn". Ew.

[welch]

oolon, slimy turn, oolon (the original account) and noblehawk2 all have the same ISP.

My bet is it's oolon.

I thought these forums were able to show admins the IP addresses of posters.
https://www.phpbb.com/support/documenta ... or_mcp.php

They do - I have all three IP adresses.

Name and shame the IP address(es). Please.

They have forfeited their right to anonymity.

Given it's all DHCP, there's no point.

[welch]

Skepsheik reminds Nugent that the Irish Atheist themselves are struggling with the ethics of removing things from their own website.

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/07 ... ent-197277

I may be in love.

[karlaporter]

I have an ex girlfriend who worked in a porn shop. One of the staff "duties" was to review DVDs returned as "damaged". It was a common kind of fraud, to get out of paying rental fees.

Until then, while I might have had an idea that "granny porn" existed, I most certainly did not know it was *popular*. After awhile, i learned that if she came home from work with a brand new bottle of vodka, no one wanted to go into the spare room. She still only shudders when you say "granny porn". Ew.

I had no idea that even exists.

[welch]

Zvan reminds everyone what this is really all about:

The last thing we’re doing right now is having an argument over what words are polite. This is an argument over who gets to participate in our movements. Don’t forget that for a minute. It’s the only light in which all of this makes sense.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... the-words/
http://www.freezepage.com/1362666269FBBGSFSKFG

and if you don't march lockstep with zvain on all issues, OUT YOU GO

[Submariner]

Ophie drops this at Nugget's :

Fabulous. Thank you all so much.

(post 95)
Not even sure what this means....