So, you are claiming you don't have any negative opinion about the bearers of the following tattoos?Spence wrote: Of course, if you want to judge people on the basis of how they choose to look, that's your business....
Judging people negatively because they have tattoos is utterly retarded.
I was wondering where you'd gotten to. Welcome back, and fuck off!*Tkmlac wrote:Howdy Pit. It's been awhile. I've recently changed jobs and dragged myself out of a pretty lousy depression and have treated a nasty celulitis mrsa infection I contracted because of the poor conditions at my previous job. I hope to have more time again to keep up with you guys (and gals). I was recently made aware of the sxsw panel about Reddit and subsequent blogpost by the Skepchick that basically said everything that makes Reddit Reddit is to blame for people being assholes on the internet. I won't link to the blogpost I wrote about it because I don't want Franc to call me a link whore. Anyway, I missed you guys, even those of you I disagree with because, hey, that's what open discussion is all about. Peace!
Indeed not - instead, you referenced Dick Strawkins' post, and attributed its sentiments to me. Nicely played.bhoytony wrote: All I mentioned in my first post was tramp stamps and council facelifts, there was no reference to any of your posts and I didn't mention you.
Well, at least I didn't make someone else all about me. (see above)You are the one who is making this all about you.
Blimey - and there I was thinking we were getting on like a house on fire.You do seem to be a smug arsehole though. As for the gobshite comment, well you just seem like a typical internet tough guy
we all know what they are like. I'm done with this now.
Danke schon.Aneris wrote:better you release your... energies while looking at the other imagesConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Aneris: the lady in your user icon looks like a charming little thing. Who is she, or do you have a link to the movie it is from?
Kind regards,
My Testicles.
https://www.google.de/search?q=Effy+Stonem
I used to think that, then about a year ago I though "meh" and how have one half of my chest and my other shoulder and arm tattooedZenspace wrote:This is precisely why I've never gotten a tattoo or any kind of piercing, not even for an earring, which is fairly unusual for my generation and the people I hang with. I may well be the only one in the group. Then again, I'm the only one that never started smoking either. One part of it is a very high resistance to peer pressure. The other is the recognition of the simple fact that we change tastes and interests as we age, as you note. A larger one was that I once held these practices as primitive cultural holdovers which, at the time, pretty much killed my interest in any of those practices.decius wrote:For how long, before you get bored with the design? It seems inevitable as well as the eventual fading of the ink.TheMan wrote: Tattoos can be fun.
No one would wear the same item of clothing for the rest of their life, regardless how pretty it is. Why should one feel any different about tattoos?
People are fucking weird.
I've pretty much done a 180 on that last bit these days. While extreme examples, like those expanded ear lobes, still tend to really turn me off, I'm more inclined to consider the artistic merit of a tattoo above all other factors. There is some incredibly good artwork to be found out there and I've even complimented some of the work I've seen on complete strangers. I might get one myself someday, but it isn't any kind of priority or even that strong an interest. Given the permanence, clearly a lot of consideration would go into it. A good friend, a respectable university professor in NYC has his entire upper body tattooed in spectacular fashion, beltline to neck, designed around graphic representations of killer viruses, such as Ebola. Amazing work, but done such that a simple white t-shirt will cover all of it, rendering it invisible, a very smart way to go about it.
Wait, wut? I don't even...AndrewV69 wrote:Let us not forget that effectively Churchill was as poor as a church mouse, and as I recall his mother was a spendthrift slut.
Ruh-ohAndrewV69 wrote:Here is a tip:
OK, you are confused. Deeply confused.AndrewV69 wrote:The idle upper and lower classes have a lot more in common that you might think at first.
She's really not used to places where she's just another panelist.CommanderTuvok wrote:Just got round to reading Queen Bee's rage tear rant about SWSX. I had a good chuckle at how she cried about the audience giving the guy standing at the mic a better round of applause than hers.
You can almost hear her under her breath saying: THE INSOLENCE!
"Guys and Gals"?Tkmlac wrote:Howdy Pit. It's been awhile. I've recently changed jobs and dragged myself out of a pretty lousy depression and have treated a nasty celulitis mrsa infection I contracted because of the poor conditions at my previous job. I hope to have more time again to keep up with you guys (and gals). I was recently made aware of the sxsw panel about Reddit and subsequent blogpost by the Skepchick that basically said everything that makes Reddit Reddit is to blame for people being assholes on the internet. I won't link to the blogpost I wrote about it because I don't want Franc to call me a link whore. Anyway, I missed you guys, even those of you I disagree with because, hey, that's what open discussion is all about. Peace!
Nothing about your body is permanent. It was this realisation that led me to stop stressing about protecting my precious hearing and go see a lot of live loud music. I want to die with a body that is all-used up. There is no use preserving your perfect hearing/skin/limb count until you snuff it... it's all useless to you anyway then.TheMan wrote:decius wrote:For how long, before you get bored with the design? It seems inevitable as well as the eventual fading of the ink.TheMan wrote: Tattoos can be fun.
No one would wear the same item of clothing for the rest of their life, regardless how pretty it is. Why should one feel any different about tattoos?
People are fucking weird.
I haven't got any tatts. I can't think of a compelling reason an event should be permanently marked or a character trait I want to symbolise I'm certain I'll maintain in the years to come.
I don't find tatts off putting or a judgment of character. I have no dogmatic thoughts on tatts.
If I did get one it would have to be very clever, make a decent point and prefereably something artistic.
I meant "fun" as in cheeky...like a cock measuring Tramp Stamp
Comparing tatts to clothes is far fetched IMHO. Some people look after their clothes better than their skin...that's weird.
Tkmlac wrote:Howdy Pit. It's been awhile. I've recently changed jobs and dragged myself out of a pretty lousy depression and have treated a nasty celulitis mrsa infection I contracted because of the poor conditions at my previous job. I hope to have more time again to keep up with you guys (and gals). I was recently made aware of the sxsw panel about Reddit and subsequent blogpost by the Skepchick that basically said everything that makes Reddit Reddit is to blame for people being assholes on the internet. I won't link to the blogpost I wrote about it because I don't want Franc to call me a link whore. Anyway, I missed you guys, even those of you I disagree with because, hey, that's what open discussion is all about. Peace!
I always liked this take on things:TheMan wrote:"Tramp Stamps"... I used to call them "Guy Guides", which then made me think of glow in the dark tattoo ink. Then guys started getting them too. When I had the chance to look at one close up I started looking for the small print with perhaps further instructions like "Do not use the top hole". THEN I thought I would design a "Tramp Stamp" that has the practicle design of a penis width and length measuring stick, with little marks along with names.... just for a laugh.
Tattoos can be fun.
Dad rang me up last week because he heard I got a tattoo. He's always been against them on anyone. I don't mind them and would like to get one but I fugured if I waited till I'm a bit wrinklier it'll still look reasonably fresh when I'm 80. Presuming lung replacment is a common procedure by then
I've rarely encountered people who honestly say "I wish i hadn't done that" outside of the perennially bad idea of getting an SO/Spouse's name inscribed in your skin. The permanence seems to be something that the people who get them are fine with.decius wrote:For how long, before you get bored with the design? It seems inevitable as well as the eventual fading of the ink.TheMan wrote: Tattoos can be fun.
No one would wear the same item of clothing for the rest of their life, regardless how pretty it is. Why should one feel any different about tattoos?
People are fucking weird.
True...it's why I don't have private life/medical insurance. my looking after my skin extends to simply not getting sunburnt or seeking a tan. Seems to be doing pretty good , so I'm told, without special treatment.AbsurdWalls wrote:Nothing about your body is permanent. It was this realisation that led me to stop stressing about protecting my precious hearing and go see a lot of live loud music. I want to die with a body that is all-used up. There is no use preserving your perfect hearing/skin/limb count until you snuff it... it's all useless to you anyway then.TheMan wrote:decius wrote:For how long, before you get bored with the design? It seems inevitable as well as the eventual fading of the ink.TheMan wrote: Tattoos can be fun.
No one would wear the same item of clothing for the rest of their life, regardless how pretty it is. Why should one feel any different about tattoos?
People are fucking weird.
I haven't got any tatts. I can't think of a compelling reason an event should be permanently marked or a character trait I want to symbolise I'm certain I'll maintain in the years to come.
I don't find tatts off putting or a judgment of character. I have no dogmatic thoughts on tatts.
If I did get one it would have to be very clever, make a decent point and prefereably something artistic.
I meant "fun" as in cheeky...like a cock measuring Tramp Stamp
Comparing tatts to clothes is far fetched IMHO. Some people look after their clothes better than their skin...that's weird.
Are you talking about judging the people or the tattoos?Slither wrote:So, you are claiming you don't have any negative opinion about the bearers of the following tattoos?Spence wrote: Of course, if you want to judge people on the basis of how they choose to look, that's your business....
Judging people negatively because they have tattoos is utterly retarded.
http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Rando ... 998232.jpg
or
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images ... ttoo_2.jpg
Really?
He/she lists a few reasons why he is pro-choice, then says that it shouldn't matter to men because they will never be pregnant. Women actually have to make the choice. This is true, but also kind of whiny, because it's like saying you should never criticize the president because he makes the decision and you don't. I'm very much pro-choice, but for Christ's sake, we are still talking about killing potential offspring. Everyone involved is going to be interested in what's going. He/she seems so amazingly ignorant about abortion that I don't have any idea why he/she thinks anyone should take him/her seriously, other than HE/SHE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.codelette wrote:What was the reasoning behind abortion not being open to debate?Aneris wrote: 1. Abortion Is Neither A Debate Nor A Thought Experiment
Synopsis: If you are a man you really shouldn't be talking about abortion.
Why should men not talk about abortion? Abortion is not only an issue of women reproductive rights; it is also an issue of medical ethics. So, it is an issue that compels everyone to one level or the other.
I had a therapeutic abortion a few years ago. I was married, so while I had the last word on having the procedure performed; it was an issue to be discussed as a couple. I identified as a pro-choice person before the procedure. Now, I identify as pro-abortion (started thinking that pro-choice and pro-life are just euphemisms). Ironically, when I was "pro-choice" I was very b&w when it came to the topic. After the abortion, I started seeing the many shades of gray on the pro vs anti-abortion debates. I started thinking more about what is it that decides personhood. Is it viability? Since modern medical technology allows younger and younger fetuses to survive outside the womb...to which point will abortion be consider murder?
I had actually had very interesting debates with both women and men over the topic. Specifically issues like the requirement for a TV ultrasound, third trimester abortions and parental permission for pregnancy termination.
PS. And no, I do not regret it. Not one bit. 8-)
Which is fine. I do not have an automatic negative response to them anymore, me reaction tends towards low level curiousity and is pretty neutral provided the artwork is well executed. Quality artwork will get my interest in a big way. I would like to do a photo series on the right model at some point, should the opportunity arise. What trype of images or design did you end up going with?DeepInsideYourMind wrote:I used to think that, then about a year ago I though "meh" and how have one half of my chest and my other shoulder and arm tattooedZenspace wrote:This is precisely why I've never gotten a tattoo or any kind of piercing, not even for an earring, which is fairly unusual for my generation and the people I hang with. I may well be the only one in the group. Then again, I'm the only one that never started smoking either. One part of it is a very high resistance to peer pressure. The other is the recognition of the simple fact that we change tastes and interests as we age, as you note. A larger one was that I once held these practices as primitive cultural holdovers which, at the time, pretty much killed my interest in any of those practices.decius wrote:For how long, before you get bored with the design? It seems inevitable as well as the eventual fading of the ink.TheMan wrote: Tattoos can be fun.
No one would wear the same item of clothing for the rest of their life, regardless how pretty it is. Why should one feel any different about tattoos?
People are fucking weird.
I've pretty much done a 180 on that last bit these days. While extreme examples, like those expanded ear lobes, still tend to really turn me off, I'm more inclined to consider the artistic merit of a tattoo above all other factors. There is some incredibly good artwork to be found out there and I've even complimented some of the work I've seen on complete strangers. I might get one myself someday, but it isn't any kind of priority or even that strong an interest. Given the permanence, clearly a lot of consideration would go into it. A good friend, a respectable university professor in NYC has his entire upper body tattooed in spectacular fashion, beltline to neck, designed around graphic representations of killer viruses, such as Ebola. Amazing work, but done such that a simple white t-shirt will cover all of it, rendering it invisible, a very smart way to go about it.
In years to come I may not think they are still "me" at that point, but they will always be the "me" I was when I had them done.
Ellenbeth? Is that you?Lsuoma wrote:For tat fans ever'where!
Seriously. It makes no sense. How can you get made at people who "tone-troll" then say all sorts of dumb things to try and free people from thinking? Gross. I love his Remedial Social Justice ideas. Men are privileged when it comes to abortion because they don't get pregnant and thus don't have control over the decision. Wait, what? I just defrosted a dozen breast milk ice cubes to feed my squalling kid. Am I privileged? Or my kid? Or the breast milk cubes? Please Hailfhisgdfnskdhd tell me what to think and feel!Aneris wrote:
Sounds familiar again. "I think that insults and appeal to emotion are a perfect substitute for rationality and arguments, I can shout down everyone else, but when someone goes meta on my behavior it's 'tone trolling'".
The author...(I just clicked his public user name)And check your privilege
http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d1cf645fbe ... avatar&r=G
These Emo Kids. So much hate. :(
No, i'm the tit in orange just to the left of him because i completely screwed up and brought the wrong shirt. Guy in the racist hat is the announcer. Good dude, another Gulf War I vet. It's a really good crew who work insanely hard. I help out with things like track setup and the like. But every bout, there's an assload of skaters there helping, and then afterwards, they're still there, dead tired and sore as hell, helping put the track and everything else away so we can all make it to the after party, where there is leg wrestling and karaoke.Submariner wrote:welch wrote:
Oh wait, no i won't.
To be honest, if being considered a decent sort by these folks means twonks like you put me in the PeeZus bin? PeeZus better move the fuck over and get ready for some loud shit.
Is that you with the misogynist hat on, John?
Her expected wave of reddit hate hasn't materialized. She has to keep poking. Unfortunately for her the average reddit user knows an SRSer when they see them and knows that ignoring them is the best option.welch wrote:She's really not used to places where she's just another panelist.CommanderTuvok wrote:Just got round to reading Queen Bee's rage tear rant about SWSX. I had a good chuckle at how she cried about the audience giving the guy standing at the mic a better round of applause than hers.
You can almost hear her under her breath saying: THE INSOLENCE!
codelette wrote:What was the reasoning behind abortion not being open to debate?Aneris wrote: 1. Abortion Is Neither A Debate Nor A Thought Experiment
Synopsis: If you are a man you really shouldn't be talking about abortion.
Why should men not talk about abortion? Abortion is not only an issue of women reproductive rights; it is also an issue of medical ethics. So, it is an issue that compels everyone to one level or the other.
I had a therapeutic abortion a few years ago. I was married, so while I had the last word on having the procedure performed; it was an issue to be discussed as a couple. I identified as a pro-choice person before the procedure. Now, I identify as pro-abortion (started thinking that pro-choice and pro-life are just euphemisms). Ironically, when I was "pro-choice" I was very b&w when it came to the topic. After the abortion, I started seeing the many shades of gray on the pro vs anti-abortion debates. I started thinking more about what is it that decides personhood. Is it viability? Since modern medical technology allows younger and younger fetuses to survive outside the womb...to which point will abortion be consider murder?
I had actually had very interesting debates with both women and men over the topic. Specifically issues like the requirement for a TV ultrasound, third trimester abortions and parental permission for pregnancy termination.
PS. And no, I do not regret it. Not one bit. 8-)
Mine are abstract tribal lattice over one shoulder and arm ... and a tribal abstract dragon on the other ... I saw a style I liked, drew them up, got a tattoo artist to finalise and perfect them ... and had them done. 12 hours of sitting in pain, all because I just decided to do them one day :)Zenspace wrote: Which is fine. I do not have an automatic negative response to them anymore, me reaction tends towards low level curiousity and is pretty neutral provided the artwork is well executed. Quality artwork will get my interest in a big way. I would like to do a photo series on the right model at some point, should the opportunity arise. What trype of images or design did you end up going with?
codelette wrote:PPS. Don't have any tattoos. Love men with tattoos -specially the man I trapped-. Lower back tattoos: the problem is not the placement, it is usually the art what cheapens it (too many tacky tribals, butterflies, flowers, stars and stupid dolphins to raise its cache).
Fixed! The quote was taken from EdwardGemmer, who summarized yet another view from the link he provided. So these views aren't mine (or his).codelette wrote:...EdwardGemmer, summarizing another view wrote: 1. Abortion Is Neither A Debate Nor A Thought Experiment
Synopsis: If you are a man you really shouldn't be talking about abortion.
I think the reason why this all came up today was because of Richard Dawkins, who had a happy tweet day on abortion. Good timing, Richard, on the pope election day. Everyone better restock on popcorn! You'll need it once the Fainting Couch & Friends get wind of it.codelette wrote:What was the reasoning behind abortion not being open to debate?
Why should men not talk about abortion? Abortion is not only an issue of women reproductive rights; it is also an issue of medical ethics. So, it is an issue that compels everyone to one level or the other.
I had a therapeutic abortion a few years ago. I was married, so while I had the last word on having the procedure performed; it was an issue to be discussed as a couple. I identified as a pro-choice person before the procedure. Now, I identify as pro-abortion (started thinking that pro-choice and pro-life are just euphemisms). Ironically, when I was "pro-choice" I was very b&w when it came to the topic. After the abortion, I started seeing the many shades of gray on the pro vs anti-abortion debates. I started thinking more about what is it that decides personhood. Is it viability? Since modern medical technology allows younger and younger fetuses to survive outside the womb...to which point will abortion be consider murder?
I had actually had very interesting debates with both women and men over the topic. Specifically issues like the requirement for a TV ultrasound, third trimester abortions and parental permission for pregnancy termination.
PS. And no, I do not regret it. Not one bit. 8-)
People tell me my music's too fucking loud all the time.AbsurdWalls wrote:Nothing about your body is permanent. It was this realisation that led me to stop stressing about protecting my precious hearing and go see a lot of live loud music. I want to die with a body that is all-used up. There is no use preserving your perfect hearing/skin/limb count until you snuff it... it's all useless to you anyway then.TheMan wrote:decius wrote:For how long, before you get bored with the design? It seems inevitable as well as the eventual fading of the ink.TheMan wrote: Tattoos can be fun.
No one would wear the same item of clothing for the rest of their life, regardless how pretty it is. Why should one feel any different about tattoos?
People are fucking weird.
I haven't got any tatts. I can't think of a compelling reason an event should be permanently marked or a character trait I want to symbolise I'm certain I'll maintain in the years to come.
I don't find tatts off putting or a judgment of character. I have no dogmatic thoughts on tatts.
If I did get one it would have to be very clever, make a decent point and prefereably something artistic.
I meant "fun" as in cheeky...like a cock measuring Tramp Stamp
Comparing tatts to clothes is far fetched IMHO. Some people look after their clothes better than their skin...that's weird.
It's just what popped into my head when I first started seeing these tattoos go into monkey-see-monkey-do mode. All of a sudden, they were everywhere. Same as with eyebrow rings - everytime I see one of those I have to resist the compulsion to grab it and twist. I was calling them "beer coasters" before there were any other pop-slang terms for them is all. My mind, my reference. Just added $0.02Guest wrote:Just how gentle are you that you can rest a beer there when you're going for it?franc wrote:I call them "beer coasters". For when you're at it doggy style.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Yeah, I know what a tramp-stamp isApples wrote:In 'merka the 'tramp stamp' tattoo is specifically a lower-back tattoo just above the ass
AndrewV69 wrote:I thought that the tattoos were supposed to be visible.
Erm ... it might be at that but what exactly are "we" talking about at this point? I seem to have lost the plot.Spence wrote: No, that's not a "thing". That's a rule you just made up. It doesn't exist in the real world.
Thanks for the description, much appreciated. If I ever get one done, it will very likely involve a stylized dragon of some sort.DeepInsideYourMind wrote:Mine are abstract tribal lattice over one shoulder and arm ... and a tribal abstract dragon on the other ... I saw a style I liked, drew them up, got a tattoo artist to finalise and perfect them ... and had them done. 12 hours of sitting in pain, all because I just decided to do them one day :)Zenspace wrote: Which is fine. I do not have an automatic negative response to them anymore, me reaction tends towards low level curiousity and is pretty neutral provided the artwork is well executed. Quality artwork will get my interest in a big way. I would like to do a photo series on the right model at some point, should the opportunity arise. What trype of images or design did you end up going with?
"Purge the intellectuals" - it's an inevitable feature of any populist movement.Dilurk wrote:That's the twitter BS I was watching today. A lot of people crawling out of the woodwork to take unwarranted uneducated swipes at Richard Dawkins. Unbelievable.Apples wrote:In other non-slymepit-infighting not-news-to-anyone, SallySyringe is an idiot:
A kindly fuck off to you too! :)Gumby wrote:I was wondering where you'd gotten to. Welcome back, and fuck off!*Tkmlac wrote:Howdy Pit. It's been awhile. I've recently changed jobs and dragged myself out of a pretty lousy depression and have treated a nasty celulitis mrsa infection I contracted because of the poor conditions at my previous job. I hope to have more time again to keep up with you guys (and gals). I was recently made aware of the sxsw panel about Reddit and subsequent blogpost by the Skepchick that basically said everything that makes Reddit Reddit is to blame for people being assholes on the internet. I won't link to the blogpost I wrote about it because I don't want Franc to call me a link whore. Anyway, I missed you guys, even those of you I disagree with because, hey, that's what open discussion is all about. Peace!
*The new official Pit greeting, in case you weren't aware.
This is kind of awesome...Lsuoma wrote:For tat fans ever'where!
It can be a pretty heated and emotional topic for sure.codelette wrote:I had actually had very interesting debates with both women and men over the topic. Specifically issues like the requirement for a TV ultrasound, third trimester abortions and parental permission for pregnancy termination.
PS. And no, I do not regret it. Not one bit. 8-)
Yes. Tricky things... There's a fallacy to describe this. It's not Hume's is/ought - though it is similar...but it's late....AndrewV69 wrote:It can be a pretty heated and emotional topic for sure.codelette wrote:I had actually had very interesting debates with both women and men over the topic. Specifically issues like the requirement for a TV ultrasound, third trimester abortions and parental permission for pregnancy termination.
PS. And no, I do not regret it. Not one bit. 8-)
I was (and still am pro-choice). However, what took me by surprise was my visceral reaction when my girlfriend at the time thought she was preggers and said she wanted an abortion.
It is one thing I suppose to have a position in theory, but quite another when you are personally involved. I did offer to pay, but fortunately it was a false alarm.
But it was a wedge between us from my end at any rate, and one of the reasons for us breaking up (although I never mentioned it).
I never got involved in abortion debates after that.
You forgot this at the end: "[/rebeccawatson]".welch wrote:
Also, they can out drink pretty much anyone.
I know I'm a couple of pages behind, but I must say that I would like to buy your father a beer and subscribe to his newsletter.welch wrote:AndrewV69 wrote:Just to be clear, this is what I consider to be a "tramp stamp"welch wrote: Yeah. I kind of have a hard time taking "tramp stamp = only good for one night stands" seriously. Given the numbers of women with them, I don't see how that actually works out.
http://0.tqn.com/d/tattoo/1/G/V/B/julieback.jpg
The issue I have with a "tramp stamp" after some reflection, appears to be more of a class issue with me. I do not ever see myself ever setting up house with a woman who has one. Perhaps if she had a small discreet tattoo with minimal visibility I might overlook it. But a woman like Angelina Jolie for example is quite simply, completely out of the question. For me it is a deal breaker.
The same for a "promiscuous" woman. I might fuck her but I am not going to marry her, or even live with her. I have no problem boffing any number of these girls, but I never bring them home. Even living with one, never mind marriage is out of the question.
The girls give every appearance of giving it up without commitment, and this suits me, since I have an issue with making false promises, and the type of woman who I could live with comfortably also not only appears to be scarce, but do not interest me sexually.
So the above reveals my inherent double standards towards women (men get a pass on the tatoos and sluttiness). I am also comfortable with it just in case anyone is wondering if this is some sort of mea culpa.
I am right now thanking whatever was responsible that my dad was considerably more mature in his views, else I might be stuck with that virgin/whore idiocy you seem to have completely bought into.
"Dad, some friends of mine said that if a girl puts out on the first date, you shouldn't see her anymore"
"Kiddo, I can tell you two things about your friends: first, they are idiots, and secondly, I doubt that's a real problem for them"
<puzzled look>
"Sigh...look, here's the deal. More dates, more good times have been ruined in the history of dating by the "will i get laid" question than any other factor. So if she likes you and puts out on the first date, you should absolutely date her again. For one, turning her down because she did something that ostensibly you were completely in favor of is hypocritical, stupid, and mean.
For another, if she slept with you once, the chances of it happening a second time, ESPECIALLY if she's willing to go out with you again are not only rather high, but you don't have to try so goddamned hard, and maybe, just maybe, you can go have a good time and enjoy hanging out with her for the rest of who and what she is. As it turns out, when they are dating someone who likes *them* and not just their "mysterious parts", with whom they can actually go and have a genuinely good time, the chances of them wanting to have sex with that person go waaaaaaaay up. All you have to do is not be an idiot. Hard job, but worth the effort.
Finally, and this sounds bad, but it's true: there are few, *damned* few women for whom sex is not been turned into some kind of gauntlet through which they run all men. If you are *ever* fortunate enough to get into a relationship with one, thank your lucky damned stars, and hope your innate stupidity doesn't screw it all up.
Also, you need new friends. Your current ones appear to be defective."
I've always had the fortune to date women who know what they want, when they want it, and are unashamed to be proactive in getting it. They are all, to a person, wonderful people, and we need more of them, not less.
Welcome back!Spence wrote:Well, here's me not sticking the flounce.
Hmmm. So many people think I am sneering at "tats". I actually have no problem with what you said above or below except for the bit I underlined.Spence wrote: And that cuts both ways, whether it is the Setard sneering at wealthy people or you sneering at people with tattoos or spendthrift sluts. I see no difference. You both lack the ability to see beyond the veneer society paints people with.
Actually, I think most people are dumber than a bag of hammers on at least one subject, and no I am not exempting myself, nor you for that matter.Spence wrote: So when I compare your model of the human race, which seems to revolve around class and fashions, or being poor or slutty in the case of the Churchills, and my model of the human race, which revolves around who is an idiot and who isn't, I conclude that your model sucks, and your "tip" is about as useful as herpes. And I'm not talking about the cancer-curing variety there, before Abbie takes me to task.
I want to be cool enough to disagree with you, but I can't manage it.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Anything.
A-n-y-t-h-i-n-g...except those fucking earlobe expanders.
A stiff prick does not care.cunt wrote:Tattoos, like them, dislike them? Would you fuck a girl with tats or is she a whore? Answers in a bottle thrown off a very remote cliff.
It'd be cooler if it was on his hand. And then the hand had a tattoo...Aneris wrote:This is kind of awesome...Lsuoma wrote:For tat fans ever'where!
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I'll put any of them up against becky any day, and spot her five rounds of jager shots.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:You forgot this at the end: "[/rebeccawatson]".welch wrote:
Also, they can out drink pretty much anyone.
Pffft.
I hope the "you" wasn't addressed at me, as its not my view at all (there was also a quote fuckup above, due to my copypasta). Franc, in a related context beat me to it. They are anti-intellectual and I get an authoritarian vibe from them as well, with a good dose of 1984. Tone troll is a good example.EdwardGemmer wrote:Seriously. It makes no sense. How can you get made at people who "tone-troll" then say all sorts of dumb things to try and free people from thinking? Gross. I love his Remedial Social Justice ideas. Men are privileged when it comes to abortion because they don't get pregnant and thus don't have control over the decision. Wait, what? I just defrosted a dozen breast milk ice cubes to feed my squalling kid. Am I privileged? Or my kid? Or the breast milk cubes? Please Hailfhisgdfnskdhd tell me what to think and feel!
LOL. As he's dead, that might be a trick. He had his moments, but he also crawled into a bottle before I was born. High-functioning, but yeah. Also, the "being trained as a POW interrogator during the Korean War" was regularly not fun. But when he hadn't started on the case du jour, or wasn't too deep into it, the old bastard had a remarkably pragmatic and practical view of things. We would walk to the local convenience store and just talk about stuff. He was going to buy beer of course, but the chats made the later yelling worth the effort.Patrick wrote:I know I'm a couple of pages behind, but I must say that I would like to buy your father a beer and subscribe to his newsletter.welch wrote:AndrewV69 wrote:Just to be clear, this is what I consider to be a "tramp stamp"welch wrote: Yeah. I kind of have a hard time taking "tramp stamp = only good for one night stands" seriously. Given the numbers of women with them, I don't see how that actually works out.
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The issue I have with a "tramp stamp" after some reflection, appears to be more of a class issue with me. I do not ever see myself ever setting up house with a woman who has one. Perhaps if she had a small discreet tattoo with minimal visibility I might overlook it. But a woman like Angelina Jolie for example is quite simply, completely out of the question. For me it is a deal breaker.
The same for a "promiscuous" woman. I might fuck her but I am not going to marry her, or even live with her. I have no problem boffing any number of these girls, but I never bring them home. Even living with one, never mind marriage is out of the question.
The girls give every appearance of giving it up without commitment, and this suits me, since I have an issue with making false promises, and the type of woman who I could live with comfortably also not only appears to be scarce, but do not interest me sexually.
So the above reveals my inherent double standards towards women (men get a pass on the tatoos and sluttiness). I am also comfortable with it just in case anyone is wondering if this is some sort of mea culpa.
I am right now thanking whatever was responsible that my dad was considerably more mature in his views, else I might be stuck with that virgin/whore idiocy you seem to have completely bought into.
"Dad, some friends of mine said that if a girl puts out on the first date, you shouldn't see her anymore"
"Kiddo, I can tell you two things about your friends: first, they are idiots, and secondly, I doubt that's a real problem for them"
<puzzled look>
"Sigh...look, here's the deal. More dates, more good times have been ruined in the history of dating by the "will i get laid" question than any other factor. So if she likes you and puts out on the first date, you should absolutely date her again. For one, turning her down because she did something that ostensibly you were completely in favor of is hypocritical, stupid, and mean.
For another, if she slept with you once, the chances of it happening a second time, ESPECIALLY if she's willing to go out with you again are not only rather high, but you don't have to try so goddamned hard, and maybe, just maybe, you can go have a good time and enjoy hanging out with her for the rest of who and what she is. As it turns out, when they are dating someone who likes *them* and not just their "mysterious parts", with whom they can actually go and have a genuinely good time, the chances of them wanting to have sex with that person go waaaaaaaay up. All you have to do is not be an idiot. Hard job, but worth the effort.
Finally, and this sounds bad, but it's true: there are few, *damned* few women for whom sex is not been turned into some kind of gauntlet through which they run all men. If you are *ever* fortunate enough to get into a relationship with one, thank your lucky damned stars, and hope your innate stupidity doesn't screw it all up.
Also, you need new friends. Your current ones appear to be defective."
I've always had the fortune to date women who know what they want, when they want it, and are unashamed to be proactive in getting it. They are all, to a person, wonderful people, and we need more of them, not less.
At the risk of sounding slightly crude...I'd lick her toilet parts down to the bone.AndrewV69 wrote:(No, I would not fuck Halle either. I am sure she will get over it like Angelina though. Trust me on this).
if i read that article right, she seems to be claiming a nigh-god-given right to hate herself.ERV wrote:Re tattoos and body confidence--
No tats, but I have a collection of birthmarks. Every time I go to a new physician, they ask if they can bring in all their colleagues to check them out (as a nerd, I fully appreciate them being excited to see something theyve only seen in textbooks).
I didnt 'get it' until I was older, but my parents never made a big deal about them. They aint pretty, but Mom was never 'you have to wear pants/long skirts/etc to cover them up!' so they werent a big deal to me, and werent a big deal to my friends. I cannot think of one instance where I was ever teased/made fun of for them, nor have my sexual partners ever been anything but mildly curious at first, and then over it.
Whatshername Skepchick really does need to get some self confidence in her body. Self loathing cannot be healthy.
With that much bong smoke, I'm not surprised.
Just a quick little round-up, one day’s fishing, of examples of a woman’s control over a man’s reproduction, or in one case, her power to force him to subsidize her reproductive choices for children that are not even his
