Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Oh? And I suppose you can explain why this has nothing to do with you either?

[youtube]UoZxfY_Lx50[/youtube]

Well?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nothing whatsoever. It's a well known "fact" that the French don't have showers...

[Tony Parsehole]

NSC's departure post was a bit cuntish.

[Guest]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

[JackSkeptic]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

As said earlier I think some live in their own bubbles. It takes a lot of time and effort to follow what is going on and know the precise issues. Carrier's cluelessness is a symptom of that and people like Watson exploit it all the way.

[Apples]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

LeftSidePositive is first to comment:

"Also, keep in mind: there is NOTHING that feminists could do better to prevent the avalanche of hate we get. Remember how Elevatorgate started? It was 'Guys, don’t do that.' How much more primly could we possibly conduct ourselves?"

I know, right? The remarkable thing about Watson, LSP, and co. is the "primness" with which they conduct themselves.

SallyStrange plucks her single-string banjo: "Good luck. I’ll look out for your videos. Maybe try making one about the obviously fucked up things the Bible says about men, women, and gender roles sometime, eh?"

[Tony Parsehole]

Is LeftSidePositive trolling? LSP whinging about all the hate she receives is like a serial killer moaning about having to wash blood out of his clothes.

[Apples]

Oh, and there's this poe-ish comment:

All the anti A+ cunts* can go jump off a cliff for all I care. A+ will continue to rise and rise and nobody can stop it’s inexorable march onwards crushing all the douches underneath it’s gleaming wheels of social justice!
I am sorry you are leaving NSC as you are a wonderful writer and an excellent addition to atheism and feminism.

* As a a wheelchair using black female I feel I am allowed to use this word as and when I see fit.

[Apples]

Is LeftSidePositive trolling? LSP whinging about all the hate she receives is like a serial killer moaning about having to wash blood out of his clothes.

Well, the way she constructs her comment is subtle -- actually, Rebecca's manner (like Zvan's) is actually often "prim" - while she is accusing a mild critic of "parroting misogynistic thought" or suggesting that most people are rapists. But she's got bulldogs like Marilove and LSP, whom she allows to rant and spit venom for a few dozen comments (and if anyone complains, she'll admit the tone was "problematic," but moderation is such hard work (on a site getting a total of maybe 20 comments a day on non-controversial threads).

[Eskarina]

Is there this much butthurt and flouncing over "gendered" words for radfem speakers of languages that have nouns with gender?

Or is this one of the great joys of the Anglophone world? "My native language doesn't have gendered nouns, so I'm going to randomly assign gender to verbs and nouns in order to maximize outrage."

Spanish has gendered nouns, and I've never seen any SJW or radfem using that particular line of thought. We do have our own problems with gender ideologies, but gendered words are not among them.

There was a certain attempt recently to use both words when referring to people, things like "medicos and medicas" (male doctors and female doctors) or "niños y niñas" (boys and girls), but it didn't gain much traction.

The only thing they got was people to start sharing a Facebook status that explains that in Spanish the male-gendered noun covers both genders, so the double word use was unnecessary. It had a disclaimer saying it didn't mean any disrespect towards women, just the way the language works. That post got both men AND women to say "heh, cool, thanks for posting that, it's good to learn stuff" and that was the end of it.

Maybe being used to a gendered language make people less likely to worry about which gender a word has? After all, both genders get their share of good and bad words (both war and peace are female nouns, while cancer and love are both male nouns).

It's happened in Germany. Every fucking word has now to be in male and female form. So a typical news item sounds like this: "The Chancelloress thanked the voteresses and voters and called on the decisionmakeresses and decisionmakers to support the soldierettes and soldiers. The mayoresses and mayors will get more funding for the teacheresses and teachers."
Puke.

If it were only as simple as that, fellow posteress or poster. The invasion of the Binnen-i and gender neutral terms has really fucked up the German language, my dear Mitposter/in or Mitpostender. ;)

And now we can have a dispute about whether to leave off the slash and/or the hyphen or use a capitalised I. I went through all of that and barely escaped alive.

[Tony Parsehole]

Sundays on the Pit...
*tumbleweeds*

[Apples]

WB also tweeted a link to AVfM article about a lawsuit being filed by a men's group against draft registration in the US claiming sex discrimination (esp given recent decision to let women into combat roles). Asks for gender equity, either men & women both have to register, or neither has to register.

FtB/Skepchick/FtB are bound to agree, dontcha think?

I doubt they'd take the position that men should have to register and women shouldn't. The pacifist-lefties will suggest abolishing selective service, and the rest, if pressed, will say, go ahead and include women. One gets the impression that most of them don't give much of a shit about minor details like wars and national defense when they've got important issues to deal with, like Japanese fetish-porn or someone's saying "chide" on the internet.

[Humphrey_Hedgehog]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

NSC: "I hope both sides can see that it’s not only the “other” side who is at fault, and I hope that it gets well and truly sorted out very soon."

I like NSC's videos but on this point he is an idiot. I suspect he was wearing his Stockholme Syndrome specs when he wrote it. obviously NSC is too dumb to notice that only *one* small bunch of wackos want to impose a political ideology onto *all* atheists (including you NSC).

One of the fundamental flaws in the arguments of those professing to be staying out of this skirmish is that of the 1 billion or so atheists around the world there are many sides. Indeed, there are many sides in America alone. It's a bit like saying the following football (soccer, if you must) match has 'both sides' involved:

Real Madrid and Barcelona and Manchester United and Bayern Munich and Arsenal and Juventus

Vs.

Scunthorpe Utd Ladies (2nd XII reserves)

Yet, so often the 'neutrals' (which I suspect most of them really aren't) paint it as Barcelona Vs. Real Madrid.

In global percentage terms A+/FTBollocks is essentially non-existant, but to hear NSC and other 'neutrals' speak you'd think this was some kind of global atheist schism with half a billion on one side and half a billion on the other!

Please, so called 'sideliners', if you don't want to apply rational thought to what you see then please do what you claim to be doing. Keep the fuck out of the argument or admit that, no matter how you try to squirm your way out of it, you actually play for Scunthorpe Ladies (2nd XII reserves).

PS: If you've never heard of it you might want to 'Google' Scunthorpe - or you might not.

[jakegittes]

As a sexist, misogynist pig, what really offends me about Obama's "best looking attorney general" comment is that he clearly hasn't seen Florida's AG: Pam Bondi. I'd sure like to go Shakesville all over her lived experience, if you know what I mean. She can chide me any day.

[AnonymousCowherd]

One of the fundamental flaws in the arguments of those professing to be staying out of this skirmish is that of the 1 billion or so atheists around the world there are many sides. Indeed, there are many sides in America alone. It's a bit like saying the following football (soccer, if you must) match has 'both sides' involved:

Real Madrid and Barcelona and Manchester United and Bayern Munich and Arsenal and Juventus

Vs.

Scunthorpe Utd Ladies (2nd XII reserves)

Yet, so often the 'neutrals' (which I suspect most of them really aren't) paint it as Barcelona Vs. Real Madrid.

In global percentage terms A+/FTBollocks is essentially non-existant, but to hear NSC and other 'neutrals' speak you'd think this was some kind of global atheist schism with half a billion on one side and half a billion on the other!

Please, so called 'sideliners', if you don't want to apply rational thought to what you see then please do what you claim to be doing. Keep the fuck out of the argument or admit that, no matter how you try to squirm your way out of it, you actually play for Scunthorpe Ladies (2nd XII reserves).

PS: If you've never heard of it you might want to 'Google' Scunthorpe - or you might not.

I saw what you did there.

[rayshul]

Oh, and there's this poe-ish comment:

All the anti A+ cunts* can go jump off a cliff for all I care. A+ will continue to rise and rise and nobody can stop it’s inexorable march onwards crushing all the douches underneath it’s gleaming wheels of social justice!
I am sorry you are leaving NSC as you are a wonderful writer and an excellent addition to atheism and feminism.

* As a a wheelchair using black female I feel I am allowed to use this word as and when I see fit.

She got a PASS? She got a CUNT PASS???!

WHERE DO WE ALL GET OUR CUNT PASSES?!?!!?

HOW MANY TOTALLY-NOT-PRIVILEGEd POINTS DO YOU NEED TO GET A CUNT PASS?!?!!?!?

Can we buy them?!?!!?

OMFG!!!

WE COULD SOLVE THIS WHOLE BAD WERDZ DILHEMMA REALLY FUCKING QUICKLY!!!!

THANKS PINK WHATEVER THE FUCK, YOU BRILLIANT CUNT!!!!

[rayshul]

As said earlier I think some live in their own bubbles. It takes a lot of time and effort to follow what is going on and know the precise issues. Carrier's cluelessness is a deliberate tour de force and people like Watson exploit it all the way.

FTFY

[AnonymousCowherd]

Is there this much butthurt and flouncing over "gendered" words for radfem speakers of languages that have nouns with gender?

Or is this one of the great joys of the Anglophone world? "My native language doesn't have gendered nouns, so I'm going to randomly assign gender to verbs and nouns in order to maximize outrage."

Spanish has gendered nouns, and I've never seen any SJW or radfem using that particular line of thought. We do have our own problems with gender ideologies, but gendered words are not among them.

There was a certain attempt recently to use both words when referring to people, things like "medicos and medicas" (male doctors and female doctors) or "niños y niñas" (boys and girls), but it didn't gain much traction.

The only thing they got was people to start sharing a Facebook status that explains that in Spanish the male-gendered noun covers both genders, so the double word use was unnecessary. It had a disclaimer saying it didn't mean any disrespect towards women, just the way the language works. That post got both men AND women to say "heh, cool, thanks for posting that, it's good to learn stuff" and that was the end of it.

Maybe being used to a gendered language make people less likely to worry about which gender a word has? After all, both genders get their share of good and bad words (both war and peace are female nouns, while cancer and love are both male nouns).

It's happened in Germany. Every fucking word has now to be in male and female form. So a typical news item sounds like this: "The Chancelloress thanked the voteresses and voters and called on the decisionmakeresses and decisionmakers to support the soldierettes and soldiers. The mayoresses and mayors will get more funding for the teacheresses and teachers."
Puke.

If it were only as simple as that, fellow posteress or poster. The invasion of the Binnen-i and gender neutral terms has really fucked up the German language, my dear Mitposter/in or Mitpostender. ;)

And now we can have a dispute about whether to leave off the slash and/or the hyphen or use a capitalised I. I went through all of that and barely escaped alive.

On the internet at least, your way is clear:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefo ... i-be-gone/

Interesting that German (with "gendered" nouns) makes something "gender neutral" by including both male and female endings, and English goes for dropping the "gendered" ending ("poet" is much more common now than "poetess") or using the male version (e.g actor, for both sexes). Silly really since most (though not all, of course) of the reason for linguistic "gender" is syntactic, not semantic. Not that words in themselves are "gendered" in anything like the feminist sense.

I guess you could always come over to the dark side by making everything "das" and dropping all that der/den/dem/des etc stuff. Hasn't done English any harm, and our feminists get to define any word as gendered without bothering with all that grammatical nonsense.

[rayshul]

I agree that introducing the political will dilute the message. As a matter of fact though from what I have seen the Libertarians are a small minority. I do not see them taking over. We have Left and Right wingers, Christians and Aethists in the mix. They are outnumbered by every other faction.

Where was Woolly when we had the White Nationalists show up? She would have freaked out I suppose. Anyway, the last WN left well over a year ago but they are still around. I know this because I still have one on my RSS feed.

I suppose that's a bias on her part then, in noticing more libertarians and seeing them as a risk. I assume you've been in the MRM longer than she has, so perhaps she could be reassured by the old "all things are fleeting, internet politics doubly so" tale.

[AndrewV69]

Clearly I have not been following Glenn Greenwald too closely. As it is right now I want to bitch slap that boy into next Sunday.

Islamophobia, Sam Harris and Glenn Greenwald
http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/is ... greenwald/

One of the more maddening aspects of modern discourse is the attempt to interject the concept of racism into internecine ideological conflicts where it really isn’t appropriate.

Speaking of racism .. WTF is going on here? I need a decoder ring or something.
Has White Male Privilege Run Amok?
http://www.theroot.com/views/has-white- ... k?page=0,0

Challenging Karen Finney's racial identity is just another way of attacking the "tanning" of America.

[AnonymousCowherd]

(considers a joke about the Middle Eastl, looks around for Git first) :D

The team's response to Stephanie's opening statement will probably be posted tomorrow.

Good luck with that. There are so many things wrong with Svan's second statement that any full response looks like it would be much longer than the original. Maybe the whole thing will just grow exponentially and consume all the electrons on the internet before it grinds to a halt.

Honestly, I admire the team's patience and the time and effort you are putting in - but it's hard to see this going anywhere.

[AndrewV69]

I agree that introducing the political will dilute the message. As a matter of fact though from what I have seen the Libertarians are a small minority. I do not see them taking over. We have Left and Right wingers, Christians and Aethists in the mix. They are outnumbered by every other faction.

Where was Woolly when we had the White Nationalists show up? She would have freaked out I suppose. Anyway, the last WN left well over a year ago but they are still around. I know this because I still have one on my RSS feed.

I suppose that's a bias on her part then, in noticing more libertarians and seeing them as a risk. I assume you've been in the MRM longer than she has, so perhaps she could be reassured by the old "all things are fleeting, internet politics doubly so" tale.

Not too sure about being in the MRM longer than she has. I have been in for around three years but I seem to have an afinity for hanging out in the "wrong side of town" both online and IRL. I might mention it to Woolly though. Probably via eMail.

In any event, I found the MRM when I started looking for answers. Because I could not understand how a nephew (now in his 30s) could have grown up to be a misogynist. It should not have been possible. I disbelieved what he had to say then. I believe him now.

[rayshul]

I guess they haven't been holding enough slutwalks so they had to improvise.

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201304050033-0022659

[Polterguest]

Was just struck by this thought:

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tr6au/

If they hate women so much, why do they complain when we call them misogynists?

[Apples]

In any event, I found the MRM when I started looking for answers. Because I could not understand how a nephew (now in his 30s) could have grown up to be a misogynist. It should not have been possible. I disbelieved what he had to say then. I believe him now.

What did you disbelieve then that you believe now?

[Submariner]

(considers a joke about the Middle Eastl, looks around for Git first) :D

The team's response to Stephanie's opening statement will probably be posted tomorrow.

Good luck with that. There are so many things wrong with Svan's second statement that any full response looks like it would be much longer than the original. Maybe the whole thing will just grow exponentially and consume all the electrons on the internet before it grinds to a halt.

Honestly, I admire the team's patience and the time and effort you are putting in - but it's hard to see this going anywhere.

As I pointed out in my Nugent moderation thread here on the pit, the screams of "we won't talk with them" etc. coming from their side has died out completely once the nature of the filibuster discussion became apparent. This fact is signal, not noise.

[Apples]

JudgyBitch gives John Brown a shout-out in her current post about good-lookingAG-gate:

http://judgybitch.com/2013/04/06/the-pr ... es-scream/

[Tony Parsehole]

Oolon on NSC's leaving blopost:

Hehe thanks for the laughs in this post, I too have been amazed by the total detachment from reality the anti-FtB/A+ crowd seem to suffer from. Edward Gemmer mentions the Slymepit above… None of the comments or sentiment shown in your post would look out of place over there. Scepticism and rational thought are not their friends.

I totally disagree with you on A+, I think you have very little understanding of how it formed and how the “criticism” from the “crazies” you refer to have shaped it… But do I really care that much? Not really… Its going to be good for some people and not for others. I’m glad it is good for some. That’s enough for me, I’m not going to waste my time obsessing over you, the anti-FtB’ers and the Slymepit and how awful they are because they don’t like A+, that’s really up to them/you. If they all had the same approach as you do to A+ and extended it to FtBs/Skepchick the Slymepit forum for one wouldn’t even exist. The community would be a lot better off for it.

One side seems to primarily consist of people with ideas and opinions, which they spend most of their time expressing strongly, the other side seems to primarily consist of people who spend their time strongly expressing only their criticism. We need fewer critics and more free thinkers, imo.

Bolding mine. Oolon's claiming he's not going to waste time obsessing over the Slymepit eh? That's a fucking laugh and a half. He mentions the place in every single online sentence, obviously lurks here like a mad little leperechaun because as soon as this place mentions ANY blogpost he is there frotting all over the comments within 10 seconds and he has three known accounts here. Yeah right Oolon. Keep telling yourself that while you're hate-wanking over your keyboard.

And maxi-LOL at the "We need fewer critics and more free thinkers" quote. That's exactly the sort of shit a sophist narcissist would come out with. "We should have more ideas but nobody can say anything bad about them derp!" because that is totally fucking sceptical isn't it? What a fucking tit.

Oolon's credibility is in the minus figures.



http://freethoughtblogs.com/nonstampcol ... mment-7212

[codelette]

A whole bunch of chill girls...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... aderas.png
Soldaderas.

[EdwardGemmer]

JudgyBitch gives John Brown a shout-out in her current post about good-lookingAG-gate:

http://judgybitch.com/2013/04/06/the-pr ... es-scream/

Nice site. Thx for the link

[BarnOwl]

Women in Secularism conference schedule is up: http://womeninsecularism.org/schedule.html

Glancing at it - Ron Lindsay gives the opening remarks on Friday, & after that all the speakers are female, including the panel discussion on "Gender Equality in the Secular Movement". If I were to be a fly on the wall for one session, I'd pick R. Elisabeth Cornwell on "Who Speaks for Feminism?", or possibly Amanda Marcotte on "How Feminism Makes Better Skeptics: The Role Rationality Plays in Ending Sexism".

First impression from looking at the speakers' page is, once again, lack of ethnic diversity. Let's hope that the attendees are more representative (not holding my breath). I'd like to hear Susan Jacoby or Katha Pollitt talk, but the others don't particularly interest me. Of course I'm a chill girl, so it doesn't matter what I think.

I'm aware of the relevance of speakers like McBain and Garrison to atheism and secularism, but I don't find their personal stories very compelling or interesting. In fact I don't find the personal stories of Benson, Zvan, Watson, Roth, or Hensley very compelling or interesting either, and that seems to be what they focus on for much of the time. Maybe this conference will be different, but again, not holding my breath.

[justinvacula]

More violations of the #SkepTech conference policy:

" Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks."

http://i.imgur.com/4FWR1jR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EyCB1TU.jpg

[BarnOwl]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 3653ca.png

At last, a justification for all the usual suspects to travel, drink, and party on the conference circuit!

[Lsuoma]

At last, a justification for all the usual suspects to travel, drink, and partyrape on the conference circuit!

[Guest]

More violations of the #SkepTech conference policy:

" Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks."

http://i.imgur.com/4FWR1jR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EyCB1TU.jpg

would be more amusingly criticized from a twitter account called "YourConferencyPolicies" and simple quoting passage and link

[Dilurk]

oh dear POMO in science [youtube]XHiqXxoRFro[/youtube]

[katamari Damassi]

As for "chiding", I'd say it could be construed as somewhat gendered, but a different sense- it's more often used to describe a condescending man lecturing a woman. "Mansplaining", in SJW-speak.

How is it gendered? I looked up the word and it has nothing to do with gender. WTF????

Well, all people need to do is yelp "gendered!" or "sexist/misogynist/etc" to give them an excuse to dismiss someone's statements. Personally I've always related chide to an adult scolding a child.. AGEISM!

I did enjoy ABL's reply: "Fine. Substitute something else then."
You can tell that she has a zero tolerance policy with at least some forms of bullshit.

[Whig]

WB also tweeted a link to AVfM article about a lawsuit being filed by a men's group against draft registration in the US claiming sex discrimination (esp given recent decision to let women into combat roles). Asks for gender equity, either men & women both have to register, or neither has to register.

FtB/Skepchick/FtB are bound to agree, dontcha think?

I doubt they'd take the position that men should have to register and women shouldn't. The pacifist-lefties will suggest abolishing selective service, and the rest, if pressed, will say, go ahead and include women. One gets the impression that most of them don't give much of a shit about minor details like wars and national defense when they've got important issues to deal with, like Japanese fetish-porn or someone's saying "chide" on the internet.

Screw selective service, end it and spend the $40 million used to keep it up on hats. The DoD likes having an all volunteer force and I don't like conscription. How about we make it a policy to not get in wars where we need 10 million meat shields anymore? The only drawback is that having all volunteers means protests against wars lose a step like in Vietnam where thousands went who had no choice. Now the whole world is a battlefield according to those wonderful people in Washington. How about no selective service when politicians declare wars on vague things like "terrorism?"

[welch]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

Meh. I thought that post was a douche de force.

[Submariner]

Christian video on Atheism+dogma :


[youtube]jY_QoiLq2HM[/youtube]

And, yes, it's the same guy made famous by Desertphile : Gravity!

[justinvacula]

Male shaming care of Martin Wagner on post from Russell Glasser complaining about Twitter use on #AAcon13

http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2013/04 ... mmunities/

http://i.imgur.com/7k5cXg3.jpg

[Wonderist]

I know some of you hate Photoshops, but after Dick Stawkins found PZ's blog post linking to Japanese tentacle hentai porn, I couldn't resist:
http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u58 ... 6fb61c.png

heh, you're text impression of Aron Ra reads like he talks in his vids: precise but run on, bam bam bam. :-)

[16bitheretic]

Christian video on Atheism+dogma :


[youtube]jY_QoiLq2HM[youtube]

And, yes, it's the same guy made famous by Desertphile : Gravity!

I've never seen this guy on YT before, but coming from a theist like him it's funny that his position on A+, the crap that came out of the AA 50th Anniversary Con, the backlash aimed at Thunderf00t and on the attempts to merge atheism with other non-related things is more spot-on that any of the arguments and positions of the supporters of FTB/A+/Skepchick.

In my opinion the only political issues that directly tie to nonbelief in deities are issues of church-state separation. When it comes to women's rights, stopping racial discrimination, solving climate change, wars, taxes, LGBT equality or any other number of social issues the vast majority of the people involved in these fights don't give a flying shit whether you pray to Jesus or Allah, meditate in front of a Buddha statue, burn incense and chant, worship the godesses or read Dawkins and science literature. They just want people who care about civil rights or solving problems to help in the fight. Last year I helped with a Habitat for Humanity project and there were alot of church folks there. Religion didn't even come up as an issue once as everyone was focused on just doing a project to help someone. Funny how when you treat people with respect as individuals and not as a demographic case that you get treated as with respect as an individual by them as well.

His point about the atheist churches is right in my line of thinking too. If other atheists want to have an "atheist religion" or even an atheist political party, fine, let them do it. I think it's absurd though. I'm not opposed to atheist groups and generally think things like the Secular Student Alliance or even small local groups are good, especially in areas with a dominance of religion where people who feel outside the mainstream can meet and socialize. I just don't approve of the creeping in of religion or political styled dogmas and tendencies.

[Wonderist]

Wooly Bumblebee chides MRM for not addressing political divide within. Expresses opinion of libertarianism similar to that seen at FtB, but does so in full sentences, presenting her argument, without calling anyone a fucktard.

It's at WB's blog, titled "Why the Men's Rights Movement will fail" - will be interesting to see what response she gets. (I'm on phone, hard to post the link)

Here ya go:

http://www.woolybumblebee.com/apps/blog ... -will-fail

Good article, IMO.

[Tony Parsehole]

Male shaming care of Martin Wagner on post from Russell Glasser complaining about Twitter use on #AAcon13

http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2013/04 ... mmunities/

http://i.imgur.com/7k5cXg3.jpg

*Choke* Splutter*
Martin Wagner is calling somebody a basement dwelling virgin!?!?
This Martin Wagner?
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FpZIVF2dlHE/0.jpg
That's like Ronald Mcdonald telling somebody to run a comb through their hair and stop wearing so much make-up.

Cheeky bastard.

[Wonderist]

I see that Non Stamp Collector is bailing out of FTB.

He never seemed to understand the problems people had with Myers and that is reflected in his resignation post. He suggests however, that two sides of the feminist debate have been at fault - a treasonous remark for anyone there to even suggest.

bailing on things in general, including his videos (at least to a more restrained output)

spends some time slagging on "anti-ftb" (amusing to note, no one he quotes is of the slymepit), but i'm sure some will still jump on his use of "cat-fight" as some "not getting it" gendered insult to slough off any criticism leveled at "their side" of the kerfuffle, in some "false equivalence" way, which is to say whenever anyone makes any criticism whatsoever

As said earlier I think some live in their own bubbles. It takes a lot of time and effort to follow what is going on and know the precise issues. Carrier's cluelessness is a symptom of that and people like Watson exploit it all the way.

This is a good point, and it's interesting to note how EBW's darksiding accompanied an awakening to what's really going on as well.

[Submariner]

His point about the atheist churches is right in my line of thinking too. If other atheists want to have an "atheist religion" or even an atheist political party, fine, let them do it. I think it's absurd though. I'm not opposed to atheist groups and generally think things like the Secular Student Alliance or even small local groups are good, especially in areas with a dominance of religion where people who feel outside the mainstream can meet and socialize. I just don't approve of the creeping in of religion or political styled dogmas and tendencies.

Agreed 16bit. If I wanted to go to church, I would have remained a theist. Fortunately I work with another atheist and a few agnostics, so I can discuss some of these issues IRL.

[Za-zen]

Wagner is simply a snarky little shit. Being a snarky shit is fine, if you have the arguments to go along with it. Wagner just snarks because he has fuck all else, and to repeat, repeat, repeat. It was Wagner om PZ blog that called for Pappa's doxxing. A doxxing that fucking happened, even though to my knowledge it was later removed. What was Pappa's heinous crime, he made a rape joke on a forum.

I didn't notice the reems of rage tear blogs about poor pappa being doxxed, nor did i notice petitions for wanker to be removed as a co host of AXP, funny that.

[Tony Parsehole]

I loathe Wagner. He's a poisonous, piss-jowelled hobbit with the charisma of an in-growing pube.

[katamari Damassi]

Oh, and there's this poe-ish comment:

All the anti A+ cunts* can go jump off a cliff for all I care. A+ will continue to rise and rise and nobody can stop it’s inexorable march onwards crushing all the douches underneath it’s gleaming wheels of social justice!
I am sorry you are leaving NSC as you are a wonderful writer and an excellent addition to atheism and feminism.

* As a a wheelchair using black female I feel I am allowed to use this word as and when I see fit.

She got a PASS? She got a CUNT PASS???!

WHERE DO WE ALL GET OUR CUNT PASSES?!?!!?

HOW MANY TOTALLY-NOT-PRIVILEGEd POINTS DO YOU NEED TO GET A CUNT PASS?!?!!?!?

Can we buy them?!?!!?

OMFG!!!

WE COULD SOLVE THIS WHOLE BAD WERDZ DILHEMMA REALLY FUCKING QUICKLY!!!!

THANKS PINK WHATEVER THE FUCK, YOU BRILLIANT CUNT!!!!

Such an obvious troll, but I'm still surprised nobody went for it, or at least accused s/h/it of being a pitter. I await the eventual narrative that pitters drove him from FfTB.

[EdwardGemmer]

I'm endlessly entertained that the typical insult from "feminists" of a man is his inability to exploit women sexually. Next is "Rapists get more sex than you!"

[justinvacula]

Brave Hero Radio to broadcast live from Women in Secularism 2!

http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... ularism-2/

Save the show links and tune in for what promises to be the first radio show reporting on-site at Women in Secularism 2 - well before any of the talks/panels are available!

[Wonderist]

(considers a joke about the Middle Eastl, looks around for Git first) :D

The team's response to Stephanie's opening statement will probably be posted tomorrow.

Good luck with that. There are so many things wrong with Svan's second statement that any full response looks like it would be much longer than the original. Maybe the whole thing will just grow exponentially and consume all the electrons on the internet before it grinds to a halt.

Honestly, I admire the team's patience and the time and effort you are putting in - but it's hard to see this going anywhere.

As I pointed out in my Nugent moderation thread here on the pit, the screams of "we won't talk with them" etc. coming from their side has died out completely once the nature of the filibuster discussion became apparent. This fact is signal, not noise.

I agree.

[Apples]

Re: Dick Handbag's self-love, Miranda Hale points out it's hard to take someone seriously whose about-section on his website says, in the third-person, "His avid fans span the world."



Incidentally, maybe he could have found a different title for his 'book,' "Why I am Not a Christian," given that this little-known fellow named Bertrand Russell kind of beat him to it by a few years (I couldn't even find a mention of Russell in the intro or references, although Carrier does say elsewhere that Russell's book was an early influence). Then again, given his evident PR instincts, I think we can all guess why he stuck with an identical title.

Incidentally, in his author bio, he describes himself as a "world renowned philosopher and historian."

[Tony Parsehole]

I'm endlessly entertained that the typical insult from "feminists" of a man is his inability to exploit women sexually. Next is "Rapists get more sex than you!"

It's pathetic isn't it?

Re: Dick Handbag's self-love, Miranda Hale points out it's hard to take someone seriously whose about-section on his website says, in the third-person, "His avid fans span the world."



Incidentally, maybe he could have found a different title for his 'book,' "Why I am Not a Christian," given that this little-known fellow named Bertrand Russell kind of beat him to it by a few years (I couldn't even find a mention of Russell in the intro or references, although Carrier does say elsewhere that Russell's book was an early influence). Then again, given his evident PR instincts, I think we can all guess why he stuck with an identical title.

Incidentally, in his author bio, he describes himself as a "world renowned philosopher and historian."

The sheer arrogance is so comical and unreal that I think I'm starting to admire him.

[Eskarina]

Is there this much butthurt and flouncing over "gendered" words for radfem speakers of languages that have nouns with gender?

Or is this one of the great joys of the Anglophone world? "My native language doesn't have gendered nouns, so I'm going to randomly assign gender to verbs and nouns in order to maximize outrage."

Spanish has gendered nouns, and I've never seen any SJW or radfem using that particular line of thought. We do have our own problems with gender ideologies, but gendered words are not among them.

There was a certain attempt recently to use both words when referring to people, things like "medicos and medicas" (male doctors and female doctors) or "niños y niñas" (boys and girls), but it didn't gain much traction.

The only thing they got was people to start sharing a Facebook status that explains that in Spanish the male-gendered noun covers both genders, so the double word use was unnecessary. It had a disclaimer saying it didn't mean any disrespect towards women, just the way the language works. That post got both men AND women to say "heh, cool, thanks for posting that, it's good to learn stuff" and that was the end of it.

Maybe being used to a gendered language make people less likely to worry about which gender a word has? After all, both genders get their share of good and bad words (both war and peace are female nouns, while cancer and love are both male nouns).

It's happened in Germany. Every fucking word has now to be in male and female form. So a typical news item sounds like this: "The Chancelloress thanked the voteresses and voters and called on the decisionmakeresses and decisionmakers to support the soldierettes and soldiers. The mayoresses and mayors will get more funding for the teacheresses and teachers."
Puke.

If it were only as simple as that, fellow posteress or poster. The invasion of the Binnen-i and gender neutral terms has really fucked up the German language, my dear Mitposter/in or Mitpostender. ;)

And now we can have a dispute about whether to leave off the slash and/or the hyphen or use a capitalised I. I went through all of that and barely escaped alive.

On the internet at least, your way is clear:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefo ... i-be-gone/

Interesting that German (with "gendered" nouns) makes something "gender neutral" by including both male and female endings, and English goes for dropping the "gendered" ending ("poet" is much more common now than "poetess") or using the male version (e.g actor, for both sexes). Silly really since most (though not all, of course) of the reason for linguistic "gender" is syntactic, not semantic. Not that words in themselves are "gendered" in anything like the feminist sense.

I guess you could always come over to the dark side by making everything "das" and dropping all that der/den/dem/des etc stuff. Hasn't done English any harm, and our feminists get to define any word as gendered without bothering with all that grammatical nonsense.

TBH, maybe it's just me getting old and therefore loathe to change, but it all sounds/reads really tortured to my ears/eyes. My low-point was when someone suggested in all sincerity to change the German saying "Wer rastet, der rostet." into "Wer rastet, der/die rostet." A tortured equivalent would be turning "He who rests, rust." into "He/She who rests, rusts." It's a proverb, FFS. I might as well run a PC-programm over the works of Goethe or Schiller or Brecht.

Then again, I'll never get used to the new spellings, so maybe it's really just me. :think:

[Bhurzum]

That's like Ronald Mcdonald telling somebody to run a comb through their hair and stop wearing so much make-up.

Cheeky bastard.

Wagner (a totes hardcore feminist and all-round good guy) seems to have a "furry" fetish. Here are a few examples of his "work" taken from the "Hepcats" comic book series penned by the man himself.

Hot 'n' horny "furry" action anyone?

http://hepcats.comicgenesis.com/comics/20060531.jpg


Note the clamps/chains on the woman/animal hybrid. "Furry" bondage?

http://hepcats.comicgenesis.com/comics/20060612.jpg

Damsel in distress trope?

http://hepcats.comicgenesis.com/comics/20060703.jpg


Anyway, he's in no position to criticize anyone for their apparent "neckbeard"status after writing/illustrating this.

Note: I've only skimmed the site (unaware of full context of the stories) and could be wide of the mark. There may be a perfectly acceptable context (to the Ftb/A+ and/or feminist crowd) but I didn't stay long enough to look for it.

I didn't want my other half catching me looking at pictures of woman/livestock hybrids wearing suspenders and waving their tits about.

(Sorry about the size of the images!)

[Tigzy]

You know, considering Richard Carrier's 'avid fans worldwide', and how his written profundities are such a 'tour de force', I can't help but wonder why most of the good doctor's works haven't been picked up by a proper publisher.

For example, the paperback version of 'Why I Am Not A Christian' is a product of that well-known self-publishing outfit, Createspace: https://www.createspace.com/

Likewise, 'Sense and Goodness Without God' is a product of Authorhouse: http://www.authorhouse.com/

Then we have 'Not The Impossible Faith', which comes courtesy of Lulu: http://www.lulu.com/

(You can check on all these at Amazon)

The only tome of Carrier's which wasn't self-published was 'Proving History: Bayes's Theorem and the Quest for the Historical Jesus', which was published through Prometheus books. Not bad, though I would have thought that a 'world renowned philosopher and historian' could do better than having the bulk of his work available via the vanity press.

Hang on - 'vanity press'...I think there's a clue here.

[Bhurzum]

Dammit!

The images showed up in the preview but appear to have vanished.

Don't make me go back to that site...

http://hepcats.comicgenesis.com/d/20060424.html

You can look for yourself. My skin is crawling already...

[Tony Parsehole]

@burzum. Those images aren't showing up for me mate.
@Tigzy. Carrier can't get his work published eh? Having ones genius go unnoticed in ones own lifetime is the sign of a true artist.

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/ke2HWBK.jpg