Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[KiwiInOz]

New thread at A+ Forum: "I have no idea what I'm doing wrong"
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4684

Links as in the original.

Bolding added by me.

The mod whose warning led to the "but what did I do?" thread starts with cee- and ends with -polk. I know, I know; such a surprise.

Many of my comments have resulted in "Board warnings", and I don't know why.

Take this comment:

It's papers that reject AGW and/or reject global warming entirely that make up the 0.17%. IOW, the 99.83% = papers that accept AGW entirely.

Here's more on where that number came from, if you're interested.

Hmm, I'm not sure how useful this statistic actually is. How many of these papers were purporting to test the hypothesis that the effects of AGW are greater than zero, and how many were just "on the topic"? You have to compare apples to apples.

To me, as a statistician (B.S. in mathematics), this seems like a very important issue in evaluating the meaning of the statistic--whether it can be used to support the case that most papers accept AGW. For example, if a substantial proportion of the papers merely assume that AGW is true without any scientific scrutiny, then their contribution to the debate about whether AGW occurs (or is large in magnitude, etc.) seems irrelevant, since they aren't trying to answer the question "Does AGW occur / are the effects substantial / etc."

However, it appears that my post was inappropriate; a moderator said, "What you are doing in your most recent messages is disingenuous and you can stop this feigned ignorance wide-eyed 'just asking questions' routine now."

The concern that prompted my post, however, seems like a legitimate question about the offered statistic. I am unsure how to demonstrate that my post was not disingenuous; I am also mystified as to how this moderator came to such a conclusion by reading a rather dry, logical, boring, academic question about the population the statistic was constructed from.


I do not know how better to analyze, criticize, or otherwise challenge arguments, evidence, and claims in general other than precisely outlining a challenge to those claims and asking for a response. How should I format future challenges to avoid moderation / "Board warnings"?

ceepolk hasn't weighed in yet, nor has any other mod (including the one who apparently sent Clive on holiday, see down below).

The first response includes:

It would also be good to do some reading on "Just Asking Questions" also known as JAQing off. This is a common tactic for derailing discussion.

You also need to understand that bringing up "dry statistical" arguments on topics that are socially, culturally or politically fraught is not likely to go down well here.

emptyell's response says it all:
(a) When "you" bring up "dry statistical arguments", that's a no-no because it's on topics that have any social, cultural, or political tension associated with them.
(b) But (it's understood that) if ischemgeek (a mod & member of the in group) does it, it's okay. And in fact "dry statistical arguments" seem to be fine when they support the party line, but not when they challenge it. :roll:

Anyway, the response to Clive that's essentially been upvoted by others in the thread includes this at its core:

...There are a lot of times that someone can make a point that is technically correct but really irrelevant to the discussion.

...My scenario's and your statistics are sometimes technically true but frequently irrelevant to the discussion and tend to annoy people. You need to pick and choose when to discuss statistics. If a statistic is at the core of someones argument and their logic is very very wrong, it may be worth arguing. ...

I guess the problem is that most people would consider your argument as nitpicking. While it is technically true it doesn't really support or reject either side of the argument.

Or, there's always the approach ceepolk's alter ego took, back in the original thread (Global warming denial), 14 hrs after Clive started the thread asking for an explanation of what he/she was doing wrong:

no. back in the lawyer cage with you.

It's a Sanitorium for the emotionally crippled.

[ianfc]

For the Antipodeans http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... CF4Q9QEwBg

[KiwiInOz]

For the Antipodeans http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... CF4Q9QEwBg

Mmmm. I love eating lamb.

[Cunning Punt]

For the Antipodeans http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... CF4Q9QEwBg

Mmmm. I love eating lamb.

You probably like land oysters too you sick kiwi :lol:

[free thoughtpolice]

I too am a fan of ecosexual poetry, Happy Mothers Day!!

Gaia!
We worship thee
Femininity you are
Men are but rapists
And the white ones are all racists
Gaia!
Thou art the one
Why create the other?
Men drill for the precious oil in you
And sink violent, virile mineshafts too
PATRIARCHY HATES MOTHER NATURE!!!

[Slither]

Or, there's always the approach ceepolk's alter ego took, back in the original thread (Global warming denial), 14 hrs after Clive started the thread asking for an explanation of what he/she was doing wrong:

no. back in the lawyer cage with you.

Wait, what? But Setar isn't a mod. He can't ban anyone! Is he a mod sockpuppet? Are you suggesting that Setar==Ceepolk?

The ins-and-outs of Atheism+ drama is so confusing!

[John Greg]

Ecosexual: A term describing a person, in a dating sense, who is social and environmentally conscious. Similar to metrosexual, but for someone who wears and buys organic items and drives a hybrid car.

Well, bugger me sideways with a 12 inch rutabaga.

Like I said, I must be on LSD. These people are so nuts, I just I can't keep track.

So, according to Yiminee Cricket, because it's ecosexual, it's valid poetry? And because some ethereal, mysterial others like her excruciatingly bad prose -- and let's not kid ourselves; it is not poetry, it is puerile idiotic garbage -- that makes it valid?

The stupid nut wouldn't know good poetry if it bit her in the ass on the sexualizing fucking runway.

FfTB is becoming a parody of itself.

[welch]

Ecosexual: A term describing a person, in a dating sense, who is social and environmentally conscious. Similar to metrosexual, but for someone who wears and buys organic items and drives a hybrid car.

Well, bugger me sideways with a 12 inch rutabaga.

Like I said, I must be on LSD. These people are so nuts, I just I can't keep track.

So, according to Yiminee Cricket, because it's ecosexual, it's valid poetry? And because some ethereal, mysterial others like her excruciatingly bad prose -- and let's not kid ourselves; it is not poetry, it is puerile idiotic garbage -- that makes it valid?

The stupid nut wouldn't know good poetry if it bit her in the ass on the sexualizing fucking runway.

FfTB is becoming a parody of itself.

It's the same thought process that leads to prizes just for finding your way to the building. If you're on time, TWO PRIZES.

The quality doesn't matter, it's the fact that she "Took a risk" and "stuck it out there" that matters. That she's "willing to confront her critics with her muse" and all that idiocy.

You'll note people like that don't go into fields where correct and incorrect are quantifiable, rarely arguable things.

[John Greg]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

[John Greg]

Also:

It's the same thought process that leads to prizes just for finding your way to the building. If you're on time, TWO PRIZES.

I love that; I just love it. Very, very funny.

[Southern]

LOL OMFG at Yemmi's poetry.

She has a couple of replies up after Lsuoma's post, including:

@tigzy: Oh thanks for the compliment. The greatest joy of a poet is to elicit reaction, whatever reaction, from their audience. You even went as far as categorizing the poem, you must have given it some thought, that is a compliment. lol!

This piece might be Vogon poetry to you but to the many who have read and loved it, it is classified under ecosexual poetry. So thanks but no thanks, I will stick with the ecosexual classification.

Anyway, this piece and a few others of my poems with ecosexual themes will soon be available in the poetry section of Anthology of writings on ecosexuality. In case you want it in paperback, hardcover, or kindle editions, I doubt you will find it under vogon poetry, just make sure to look for it under ecosexual tag, And thanks again!

I believe Ms Smartass there didn't read The Hitchhiker's Guide...

[Aneris]

Dangerous game there, Sally Strange. She is practically a Slymepitter.

Hahaha! The poem was meh for me but I’m LOVING the reaction!

[Southern]

Dangerous game there, Sally Strange. She is practically a Slymepitter.

Hahaha! The poem was meh for me but I’m LOVING the reaction!

What "reaction"? The only reaction was to point how shitty her poem was, do the required Vogon poetry joke, and write parodies of her "style".

Yemma (or whatever she is called, I'm not bothering to look) is basically writing the equivalent of My Immortal in verses: people only care while they can laugh at it. That's hardly something to be proud of, Sally you dimwit.

But, eh, maybe she's really writing it to make people laugh, and that's what Sally is loving? If that's so, then good luck to both of them.

[Southern]

"Ecosexual poetry", my God. After "parallel logic" and "deliberate tour de force", that's my new favorite Freethought Bullshit expression that doesn't mean anything.

[sacha]

Yemmi, a blogger in love with the word
Indulges in poetry quite absurd.
Like bad haikus, but painfully long,
Stuffed mostly with words that don't belong
Like 'cum', in a poem inspired by sorrow and death
That somehow leaves Yemmi short of her breath.
She pants and she moans as the thought runs her by
Of heartbroken Japanese curled up as they cry
But FfTB loves her lusty salute
Which they'll probably say is actually a tribute
To the survivors of such a horrific event
(With an additional comment about rape culture and consent)
But though jacking off to death is bad, there's something that's meaner:
The unicorn porn of one Greta Christina

"A musing on the experience of sensual orgasms in the realm of the internet."
Ivor Biggun, 2013

well done!

[Tony Parsehole]

LOL @ Oolon. :dance:

I think that story you wrote about his racist neighbour cut him a bit.

Truth hurts.

[Michael K Gray]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

When all is said and done, who actually cares?
(Or *should* care?)

Irrespective of your, or anyone else's personal judgment as to the "poem's" 'intrinsic artistic standard', (as if such a thing exists outside of a meagre zeitgeist), some folk seem to gain pleasure from her efforts, with no-one being hurt along the way.

When it has come to the point where the SPit is a petty bastion of snobbish elitist art-critics or, for that matter, superior egotists who negatively remark upon another's inconsequential industry with a manic fetishised fixation, I know that all of the worlds problems have been solved.

Homework: Accurately define your term: "real poetry".

[Gefan]

LOL OMFG at Yemmi's poetry.

She has a couple of replies up after Lsuoma's post, including:

@tigzy: Oh thanks for the compliment. The greatest joy of a poet is to elicit reaction, whatever reaction, from their audience. You even went as far as categorizing the poem, you must have given it some thought, that is a compliment. lol!

This piece might be Vogon poetry to you but to the many who have read and loved it, it is classified under ecosexual poetry. So thanks but no thanks, I will stick with the ecosexual classification.

Anyway, this piece and a few others of my poems with ecosexual themes will soon be available in the poetry section of Anthology of writings on ecosexuality. In case you want it in paperback, hardcover, or kindle editions, I doubt you will find it under vogon poetry, just make sure to look for it under ecosexual tag, And thanks again!

"Ecosexual"?

Really?

Why are they trying so hard to make satire obsolete? I like satire.

[Tony Parsehole]

I'm trying to make sense of it - it seems she's saying that yes, mother nature is bad for killing so many people with tsunamis, but cos she makes Yemmy's nether regions tingle, she hopes that mother nature will change. A bit.

It's like a weird ode to battered wife syndrome, or something.

I mean - WTF???

Possible LSD casualty.

[Scunner]

Ecosexual? That makes me think of a pic I saw the other day called 'Make your own bullshit identity' or something like that. It gave you a load of sexuality-related words and you had to stick them together however you pleased. I see Ecosexual being a product of that, though personally I came up with demiqueergenderromantic.

Anyway, point is I'm demiqueergenderromantic, and any of you who dare question that ought to check their privilege because your upholding of the patriarchy is oppressing me. :dance:

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

When all is said and done, who actually cares?
(Or *should* care?)

Irrespective of your, or anyone else's personal judgment as to the "poem's" 'intrinsic artistic standard', (as if such a thing exists outside of a meagre zeitgeist), some folk seem to gain pleasure from her efforts, with no-one being hurt along the way.

When it has come to the point where the SPit is a petty bastion of snobbish elitist art-critics or, for that matter, superior egotists who negatively remark upon another's inconsequential industry with a manic fetishised fixation, I know that all of the worlds problems have been solved.

Homework: Accurately define your term: "real poetry".

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

[rayshul]

http://sun-gazing.com/wp-content/upload ... 5266_n.jpg

This image reminded me of how the 'pit operates, and why we get the FtB refugees...

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

This image reminded me of how the 'pit operates, and why we get the FtB refugees...

That actually was super sweet.

[rayshul]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

[rayshul]

This image reminded me of how the 'pit operates, and why we get the FtB refugees...

That actually was super sweet.

Unfortunately the last panel will probably be replaced by Franc cuntpunting someone, but, hey. :) Close enough.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

Or duck-billed Platypus (Platypussy?) and dongs.

[rayshul]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

Or duck-billed Platypus (Platypussy?) and dongs.

Ooh, wordplay. What a deliberate tour de force.

[Gefan]

Why does this suggest to me Greta's next erotic opus?

http://www.picturevip.com/v2/images/201 ... /o9MVN.jpg

[Michael K Gray]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

A modernist-post agrees:

Presemanticist feminist textual theory and the neodialectic paradigm of patriarchal rhyming discourse.
If one examines MKGist existentialism[1], one is faced with a choice: either reject the posttextual rhyming paradigm of discourse or conclude that sexuality is a legal fiction[2]. Baudrillard uses the term ‘patriarchial limerick capitalism’ to denote the collapse of subsemioticist society. It could be said that Giordana, et al. promotes the use of the posttextual paradigm of discourse to attack dull-wittedosity.
The characteristic theme of Bailey’s[3] model of MKGist existentialism is the role of the poet as writer. The main theme of the works of Gaiman is the difference between narrativity and sexual identity. In a sense, Lyotard suggests the use of the posttextual paradigm of discourse to read and modify class.
If one examines the neodialectic paradigm of discourse, one is faced with a choice: either accept MKGist existentialism or conclude that the collective is capable of significance. Bataille uses the term ‘the neodialectic paradigm of discourse’ to denote the role of the artist as observer. Therefore, Marx’s critique of the posttextual paradigm of discourse states that art is part of the meaninglessness of sexuality, but only if reality is distinct from sexuality; if that is not the case, Lacan’s model of the predeconstructivist paradigm of reality is one of “Lyotardist narrative”, and hence responsible for outmoded perceptions of sexual identity.
“Narrativity is intrinsically impossible,” says Bataille; however, according to McElwaine[77 Sunset Strip] , it is not so much narrativity that is intrinsically impossible, but rather the economy, and eventually the rubicon, of narrativity. A number of desituationisms concerning the common ground between sexual identity and reality may be found. It could be said that the characteristic theme of Porter’s[8 ball] analysis of the posttextual paradigm of discourse is the role of the participant as artist.
The subject is contextualised into a MKGist existentialism that includes art as a totality[0]. Therefore, if deconstructive discourse holds, we have to choose between the posttextual paradigm of discourse and the neoconstructivist paradigm of context.
The subject is interpolated into a MKGist existentialism that includes narrativity as a whole. But Marx promotes the use of the post-textual paradigm of discourse to challenge class divisions.
Giordana[69] uses the term ‘the neodialectic paradigm of discourse’ to denote the difference between class and sexual identity. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a posttextual paradigm of discourse that includes truth as a paradox.
The premise of MKGist existentialism holds that class, ironically, has intrinsic meaning! But the subject is interpolated into a neodialectic paradigm of discourse that includes narrativity as a whole.
MKGist existentialism states that consciousness may be used to entrench hierarchy, given that the premise of Phillipe absurdity is invalid. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a neodialectic paradigm of discourse that includes culture as a reality.
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[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Why does this suggest to me Greta's next erotic opus?

Probably the giant OMG WTF IS THAT SHIT????????? (apart from a hot-air balloon, obviously).

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

A modernist-post agrees:

Presemanticist feminist textual theory and the neodialectic paradigm of patriarchal rhyming discourse.
If one examines MKGist existentialism[1], one is faced with a choice: either reject the posttextual rhyming paradigm of discourse or conclude that sexuality is a legal fiction[2]. Baudrillard uses the term ‘patriarchial limerick capitalism’ to denote the collapse of subsemioticist society. It could be said that Giordana, et al. promotes the use of the posttextual paradigm of discourse to attack dull-wittedosity.
The characteristic theme of Bailey’s[3] model of MKGist existentialism is the role of the poet as writer. The main theme of the works of Gaiman is the difference between narrativity and sexual identity. In a sense, Lyotard suggests the use of the posttextual paradigm of discourse to read and modify class.
If one examines the neodialectic paradigm of discourse, one is faced with a choice: either accept MKGist existentialism or conclude that the collective is capable of significance. Bataille uses the term ‘the neodialectic paradigm of discourse’ to denote the role of the artist as observer. Therefore, Marx’s critique of the posttextual paradigm of discourse states that art is part of the meaninglessness of sexuality, but only if reality is distinct from sexuality; if that is not the case, Lacan’s model of the predeconstructivist paradigm of reality is one of “Lyotardist narrative”, and hence responsible for outmoded perceptions of sexual identity.
“Narrativity is intrinsically impossible,” says Bataille; however, according to McElwaine[77 Sunset Strip] , it is not so much narrativity that is intrinsically impossible, but rather the economy, and eventually the rubicon, of narrativity. A number of desituationisms concerning the common ground between sexual identity and reality may be found. It could be said that the characteristic theme of Porter’s[8 ball] analysis of the posttextual paradigm of discourse is the role of the participant as artist.
The subject is contextualised into a MKGist existentialism that includes art as a totality[0]. Therefore, if deconstructive discourse holds, we have to choose between the posttextual paradigm of discourse and the neoconstructivist paradigm of context.
The subject is interpolated into a MKGist existentialism that includes narrativity as a whole. But Marx promotes the use of the post-textual paradigm of discourse to challenge class divisions.
Giordana[69] uses the term ‘the neodialectic paradigm of discourse’ to denote the difference between class and sexual identity. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a posttextual paradigm of discourse that includes truth as a paradox.
The premise of MKGist existentialism holds that class, ironically, has intrinsic meaning! But the subject is interpolated into a neodialectic paradigm of discourse that includes narrativity as a whole.
MKGist existentialism states that consciousness may be used to entrench hierarchy, given that the premise of Phillipe absurdity is invalid. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a neodialectic paradigm of discourse that includes culture as a reality.
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You did use that po-mo online generator, didn't you?

[Wonky Donkey]

Whilst I don't want to join those leaving a dump on her doorstep I do want to document my reaction for her if she can be bothered to find it.

I don't find the quasi mystical masturbation that is the poem at all odd coming from her. Indeed it is what I expected from the arrogant opening post http://freethoughtblogs.com/yemmynistin ... -my-world/.

Reading someone else's poetry is too often an unwanted personal insight equivalent to being seeing them on the lavatory, it takes a while to quite compute what your eyes are seeing and then look away nauseated.

All success comes from hard work yemmy, work harder and brag less then it will come to you. Better that than providing your own rave reviews, it doesn't make you look successful and confident it makes you look insecure and nuts.

[Michael K Gray]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

Or duck-billed Platypus (Platypussy?) and dongs.

Ooh, wordplay. What a deliberate tour de force.

Coldplay. What a deliberate tour de farce.

(Foot-fetishists be aware that the plural of "platypus" is "platypodes".
Foot-fetishists should also be vitally aware that the spur on the hind foot of the male platypus is extremely venemous.
And no, since you smart-arses ask inside your respective bonces, Fluevogons shan't protect you, no matter how donated.)
http://www.cascadamedia.com/uploads/8/8 ... 1_orig.jpg

[Michael K Gray]

Why does this suggest to me Greta's next erotic opus?
http://www.picturevip.com/v2/images/201 ... /o9MVN.jpg

Hot Air?

[Michael K Gray]

You did use that po-mo online generator, didn't you?

That you have to ask, verifies the point of it's uncanny targeted accuracy to the subject at hand.
And to the irksome repetetive clatter of the tiresome tumbril that rattles down the culs-de-sac that are the rude-remarks (Rue du Remarks?) of the dead-end street-plan of A+Theism fora, and traps the innocent and unwary.

[Eskarina]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

Dolphins? DOLPHINS? Those rapists of the seas?

http://askmenanswers.com/what-should-yo ... a-dolphin/

[Apples]

Or, there's always the approach ceepolk's alter ego took, back in the original thread (Global warming denial), 14 hrs after Clive started the thread asking for an explanation of what he/she was doing wrong:

no. back in the lawyer cage with you.

Wait, what? But Setar isn't a mod. He can't ban anyone! Is he a mod sockpuppet? Are you suggesting that Setar==Ceepolk?

The ins-and-outs of Atheism+ drama is so confusing!

He once said something to the effect that he could be a mod (can't be arsed to track it down), and he has a consistent habit of ordering other commenters around as though he is a mod -- "THIS STOPS NOW," "No, you don't get to say that," etc., and joining dogpiles against disfavored commenters with the royal we -- "We don't like what you say because," etc. Ceepolk also punishes anyone who snarks at him in the slightest, like a selfish and protective owner indulging a horrible and ill-mannered little dog.

[Gefan]

Why does this suggest to me Greta's next erotic opus?

Probably the giant OMG WTF IS THAT SHIT????????? (apart from a hot-air balloon, obviously).

A more detailed image (because that's what we all desperately needed, obviously):

http://www.picturevip.com/v2/images/2013/05/11/VCgP.jpg

The boobs we can recognize. The identity of the rest of the thing eludes me but I wouldn't be surprised to find it floating (swimming? waddling?) around in whatever recesses of Greta's mind that aren't devoted to shoes.

[rayshul]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

Dolphins? DOLPHINS? Those rapists of the seas?

Mhm.

[Gefan]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

I'm not remotely qualified to opine on whether it's good poetry or bad so I'll just have to take everyone's word for it. It just strikes me as bizarre. Not remotely as bizarre as Greta's unicorn porn but that was something truly special and unhinged.

[DownThunder]

Dolphins? DOLPHINS? Those rapists of the seas?

http://askmenanswers.com/what-should-yo ... a-dolphin/

So that's where that rape culture has been hiding:

[Trophy]

Hello, I did promise that one great advantage of checking out my blog is that you get to read some of my beautiful poems for free.

Seriously, who writes such a thing? And ecosexual? No, it really should be egosexual.

[Trophy]

Also, am I the only one who loves Sally Strange's backhanded compliment? "Thanks a lot Yemmy for making the pit hate your shitty poem!"

<3 Sally

[Michael K Gray]

http://sun-gazing.com/wp-content/upload ... 5266_n.jpg
This image reminded me of how the 'pit operates, and why we get the FtB refugees...

A+Theism/FfTB Version:

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FTB/A-pus

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[BarnOwl]

Hello, I did promise that one great advantage of checking out my blog is that you get to read some of my beautiful poems for free.

Seriously, who writes such a thing? And ecosexual? No, it really should be egosexual.

Too true. I think she's trying to greenwash bad poetry, just like PZ tries to give his posts an environmental spin.

I am DISAPPOINT!!!11!!!

[Karmakin]

Maybe I'm way too serious about these things, but that poem came across to me to be well...Snuff-y. It's sexualizing and fetishizing death and destruction. I didn't laugh after reading it. I was honestly revolted.

Again, maybe I'm just being too serious about this stuff. But that's the way it came across to me.

[Michael K Gray]

Maybe I'm way too serious about these things, but that poem came across to me to be well...Snuff-y. It's sexualizing and fetishizing death and destruction. I didn't laugh after reading it. I was honestly revolted.
Again, maybe I'm just being too serious about this stuff. But that's the way it came across to me.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)]Guernica stuck me similarly./url]

[Michael K Gray]

Guernica struck me similarly.
(Note to self: Use 'preview' more often. Especially when sober.)

[Scented Nectar]

Maybe I'm way too serious about these things, but that poem came across to me to be well...Snuff-y. It's sexualizing and fetishizing death and destruction. I didn't laugh after reading it. I was honestly revolted.

Again, maybe I'm just being too serious about this stuff. But that's the way it came across to me.

That makes me wonder if, when on A+, she's that Simple Flower person who wants to eat human bodies and live in a nuclear wasteland or something like that. Yikes!

[Tigzy]

This piece might be Vogon poetry to you but to the many who have read and loved it, it is classified under ecosexual poetry.

Well, that's me telt, then.

Actually, I thought she responded with pretty good grace. She's a bit mad, but cool with it, I reckon. I admit, I did wonder if FTB had lumbered themselves with another Half-Fish, but I'm already getting the impression that Yemmi can see the funny side, so - yeah, good for her.

As for what consitutes 'bad' poetry - well, it's pretty much subjective, ain't it. I thought Yemmi's offering was a dumb as hell, but I'm sure there are many people in the world who will enjoy such poetry as they do in being adorned with $urly Amy's ceramic art.

[BarnOwl]

This piece might be Vogon poetry to you but to the many who have read and loved it, it is classified under ecosexual poetry.

Well, that's me telt, then.

Actually, I thought she responded with pretty good grace. She's a bit mad, but cool with it, I reckon. I admit, I did wonder if FTB had lumbered themselves with another Half-Fish, but I'm already getting the impression that Yemmi can see the funny side, so - yeah, good for her.

As for what consitutes 'bad' poetry - well, it's pretty much subjective, ain't it. I thought Yemmi's offering was a dumb as hell, but I'm sure there are many people in the world who will enjoy such poetry as they do in being adorned with $urly Amy's ceramic art.

What was it that Oscar Wilde said? "All bad poetry springs from genuine feeling" or summat?

[welch]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

When all is said and done, who actually cares?
(Or *should* care?)

Irrespective of your, or anyone else's personal judgment as to the "poem's" 'intrinsic artistic standard', (as if such a thing exists outside of a meagre zeitgeist), some folk seem to gain pleasure from her efforts, with no-one being hurt along the way.

When it has come to the point where the SPit is a petty bastion of snobbish elitist art-critics or, for that matter, superior egotists who negatively remark upon another's inconsequential industry with a manic fetishised fixation, I know that all of the worlds problems have been solved.

Homework: Accurately define your term: "real poetry".

Oh please, because we're only allowed to write turgid critiques of philosophy or whatever the fuck it is you wank to.

[welch]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

When all is said and done, who actually cares?
(Or *should* care?)

Irrespective of your, or anyone else's personal judgment as to the "poem's" 'intrinsic artistic standard', (as if such a thing exists outside of a meagre zeitgeist), some folk seem to gain pleasure from her efforts, with no-one being hurt along the way.

When it has come to the point where the SPit is a petty bastion of snobbish elitist art-critics or, for that matter, superior egotists who negatively remark upon another's inconsequential industry with a manic fetishised fixation, I know that all of the worlds problems have been solved.

Homework: Accurately define your term: "real poetry".

Oh please, because we're only allowed to write turgid critiques of philosophy or whatever the fuck it is you wank to.

[welch]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

When all is said and done, who actually cares?
(Or *should* care?)

Irrespective of your, or anyone else's personal judgment as to the "poem's" 'intrinsic artistic standard', (as if such a thing exists outside of a meagre zeitgeist), some folk seem to gain pleasure from her efforts, with no-one being hurt along the way.

When it has come to the point where the SPit is a petty bastion of snobbish elitist art-critics or, for that matter, superior egotists who negatively remark upon another's inconsequential industry with a manic fetishised fixation, I know that all of the worlds problems have been solved.

Homework: Accurately define your term: "real poetry".

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

Maybe because every so often, using their techniques is fun amd has a point. If those fuckers want to stop people being bagged on for personal reasons, maybe they can just stop doing the same.

I was willing to give yemmi some benefit of some doubt until she decided to write that patronizing piece of shit wherein she read the mind of someone she'd never met, and womansplained why I was "really" against A+. Fuck that bullshit. If she wants to play THAT game, then I'm going to bag on here moronic attitude wherein everything she does is awesome just because she tried, and everything I do is evil and bad just because I disagree with here about A+.

I see no reason. given her decision that she "knows what I'm really thinking" to treat her any better or different than I or anyone here including you, AND MKG have treated PZ, Greta or the rest. I don't recall anyone defending Greta's shitacular prose.

Wonder why?

[welch]

Why does this suggest to me Greta's next erotic opus?

Probably the giant OMG WTF IS THAT SHIT????????? (apart from a hot-air balloon, obviously).

Wait, it's in poor taste to bag on yemmi's poetry, but Greta's writing is fair game?

[welch]

Why does this suggest to me Greta's next erotic opus?
http://www.picturevip.com/v2/images/201 ... /o9MVN.jpg

Hot Air?

Perhaps you should first define what "real" erotica is.

[ERV]

welch: spot on; absolutely spot on.

I used to write poetry, real poetry, back in the 80s and 90s. I even had some of it published. Fuck me stretchy, I was even nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writing award.

So, as a real poet, a real-life published poet, I am offended when illiterate idiots like this write this kind of absolute shit junk and call it poetry.

Fuck me. If that's poetry, Bill Clinton is Bird.

/LSD ... gotta be LSD flashbacks ...

When all is said and done, who actually cares?
(Or *should* care?)

Irrespective of your, or anyone else's personal judgment as to the "poem's" 'intrinsic artistic standard', (as if such a thing exists outside of a meagre zeitgeist), some folk seem to gain pleasure from her efforts, with no-one being hurt along the way.

When it has come to the point where the SPit is a petty bastion of snobbish elitist art-critics or, for that matter, superior egotists who negatively remark upon another's inconsequential industry with a manic fetishised fixation, I know that all of the worlds problems have been solved.

Homework: Accurately define your term: "real poetry".

I am not an artist, but let me take a stab--

Ive got a friend who is an artist. I LOVE HIS WORK. If I were a gazzilionare, I would buy EVERYTHING of his. EVERYTHING. There are no words for how much I love the piece he gave me. LOVES IT.

I see how much time, money, *work* he puts into his art-- Not just the actual pieces, but traveling all over the county to set up exhibits and art shows, the way he deals with the public and criticism (he 'gets' that he is a brand), Ive seen him at The Low Point in his life, and rather than giving up or getting someone elses help, he worked his ass off and now he gets to live his dream.

Regardless of the actual art, to see him and Cry-Baby-Amy both get called 'artists' makes me sick. Setting up a table at TAM (with many of your expenses covered), is not spending months away from home on the road. Its not sitting out in 115 degree Arizona heat. Its not sitting out in the Seattle 'its gonna rain any second?' or OKC 'its gonna hail any second?' for days-weeks (paying a lot of money to do so). To compare Cry Babys response to 'criticism' vs my friend... its not comparable.

Likewise, I have a friend who is an opera singer. He worked his ass off to go from growing up in the podunkiest of podunk towns to living, working, and singing with Big Dogs in NYC. He just graduated with his doctorate in opera, and I could not be more prouder of him.

Contrast that with JT Ebermagerd-- Went to school for opera, ignored that for 'atheist activism'*, and it shows. Hes shit. Can I sing opera? Nope! But I know what a singer who has worked hard sounds like. And JTs excuse for why he quit?

Daniel Fincke: Can I tell you my reason for hating classical singing?

JT Eberhard: It’s emotionaless and bland?

Daniel Fincke: Hmmm. That might be the way to interpret this but I am not sure. What I was going to say was that it turns the voice into an indifferent instrument and the human is lost for me. Listening to singing, I have figured must be a pretty social thing to me. I want to connect with a person.

JT Eberhard: I have the exact same issues. *high five*

Daniel Fincke: Really??
Oh wow. That feels so good to get that off my chest and not be judged.

JT Eberhard: Absolutely. I hate opera. I love it as a theorist, I hate it as a singer. The opera singers that don’t let it turn them into a park and bark machine are phenomenal though.

Daniel Fincke: A park and bark machine??

JT Eberhard: Someone who stands in place and sings without any passion or connection to the story behind the music.

In opera we call it parking and barking.

Hes too good for opera, you see. He has EMOTIONS, not like those assholes who are professional singers who are 'park and bark machines'! And opera like totally sucks anyway!

He quit because he sucks, and he sucks because he invested his time into BS like Skepticon *JAZZHANDS* instead of his fucking art/degree. But that doesnt stop him from trumpeting 'IM AN OPERA SINGER! LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!!! DEEEEERP!' at every opportunity.

*Incidentally, quit 'atheist activism' to be a Twatsonesque mooch? Great career decision, snark at Vacula some more for managing to be an atheist activist and holding a real fucking job.



I would imagine that someone who has *worked* in an artistic endeavor, observing the casual shits FfTBers/Skepchicks take, would be pissed off. I dont think its elitism about art, more disgust at lack of work/effort.

[d4m10n]

That MKG post was shit, poorly written, and lacked artistic value.

Hence, I agree with it and like it a lot. Yemisi likes writing, she seems to have lots of fun doing so, and as Michael said, it doesn't hurt anyone. This is one of those rare-but-obvious moments where I go "WTF, Pitters?!?"

It is hilariously bad poetry, and on that level I think we're all enjoying it. Me, I'd like to encourage her. I can't wait for her next ecosexual poem, I hope it involves dolphins and vaginas.

Dolphins? DOLPHINS? Those rapists of the seas?

http://askmenanswers.com/what-should-yo ... a-dolphin/

Clicked on that link and found an image that might well be interpreted as a threat to one of the A+ mods:

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[JackSkeptic]

LOL OMFG at Yemmi's poetry.

She has a couple of replies up after Lsuoma's post, including:

@tigzy: Oh thanks for the compliment. The greatest joy of a poet is to elicit reaction, whatever reaction, from their audience. You even went as far as categorizing the poem, you must have given it some thought, that is a compliment. lol!

This piece might be Vogon poetry to you but to the many who have read and loved it, it is classified under ecosexual poetry. So thanks but no thanks, I will stick with the ecosexual classification.

Anyway, this piece and a few others of my poems with ecosexual themes will soon be available in the poetry section of Anthology of writings on ecosexuality. In case you want it in paperback, hardcover, or kindle editions, I doubt you will find it under vogon poetry, just make sure to look for it under ecosexual tag, And thanks again!

Yemmi has a sense of humour and can take criticism on the chin in a disarming manner. Good for her.

[Parody Accountant]

You did use that po-mo online generator, didn't you?

That you have to ask, verifies the point of it's uncanny targeted accuracy to the subject at hand.
And to the irksome repetetive clatter of the tiresome tumbril that rattles down the culs-de-sac that are the rude-remarks (Rue du Remarks?) of the dead-end street-plan of A+Theism fora, and traps the innocent and unwary.

*TL;DR: auto-generated essay on 'third wave feminism' is less successful but pretty funny.*

An essay on third wave feminism
To delve deeply into third wave feminism is an exciting adventure. I find my self constantly drawn back to the subject of third wave feminism. Remarkably third wave feminism is heralded by shopkeepers and investment bankers alike, leading many to state that it is impossible to overestimate its impact on modern thought. Often it is seen as both a help and a hinderence to the over 50, who just don't like that sort of thing. In the light of this I will break down the issues in order to give each of them the thought that they fully deserve

Social Factors

Comparisons between Roman Society and Medieval Society give a clear picture of the importance of third wave feminism to developments in social conduct. I will not insult the readers inteligence by explaining this obvious comparison any further. When J H Darcy said 'fevour will spread' [1] she shead new light on third wave feminism, allowing man to take it by the hand and understand its momentum. A society without third wave feminism is like a society without knowledge, in that it bravely illustrates what we are most afraid of, what we all know deep down in our hearts.

Primarily third wave feminism builds trust among the people. It grows stonger every day.

Economic Factors

Economics has been defined as 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine.' To my learned ear that sounds like two people with itchy backs. Of course, third wave feminism fits perfectly into the JTB-Guide-Dog model, a classic economic system of analysis.
Well the annual military budget looms over third wave feminism this cannot be a coincidence. The economic policy spectrum is seeing a period of unprecedented growth.

Political Factors

Machiavellian politics is rife. Are our leaders justified in pursuing and maintaining political power? Comparing the electoral politics of most Western and Eastern European countries is like comparing playing with a puppy and singing with a blackbird.

In the words of a legend in their own life time, Esperanza Skank 'A man must have his cake and eat it in order to justify his actions.' [2] I couldn't have put it better my self. When it comes to third wave feminism this is clearly true. If our political system can be seen as a cake, then third wave feminism makes a good case for being the icing.

While third wave feminism may be a giant amongst men, is it a dwarf amongst policy? I hope not.
Conclusion

We can say with certainty third wave feminism may not be the best thing since sliced bread, but it's still important. It fills a hole, provides financial security and figures show it's a winning formula.

I will leave you with the words of Hollywood's Leonardo Malkovitch: 'At first I was afraid I was petrified. Thinking I could never live without third wave feminism by my side.' [3]