Never had it but a quick google turned up this site:KiwiInOz wrote:Since the Pit has become the Tech help Centre - does anyone know how to deal with that bloody Search Redirect trojan/virus thingy. A simple answer that actually works would be nice.
Oops, missed this one. Thanks for the great info, deLurch. I'll have to get back to you on the specs sometime later. I'm not really in a position to buy or repair anything right now. Just gonna make do with my clunker for a bit. Funny thing, I paid waaaaay more for this clunker than I did for the HP. It's a Sony Vaio; forget all the specs, but one of the small ones, perhaps notebook? not sure. like a mini laptop. All told, with shipping, cost me about $3000 CAD or so if I recall correctly, back when I was working steadily. I wanted something small and it was the smallest at the time with the best screen and longest battery. Now it's a clunker. lol Well, that's how I was thinking back then when money wasn't an issue. The HP was actually quite nice IMO, aside from the noisy fan, and all told cost me about $700 CAD at the time. This time I went for bigger, so I could have full keyboard and keypad (I'm a programmer, so it's nice to have all the keys available) and 17" monitor (widescreen). It's gonna hit my budget hard this time, so I'll have to wait a bit and figure something out.deLurch wrote:How much did you spend on it?Wonderist wrote:HP Pavilion dv7, from back when I wasn't (completely, just mostly) broke.
Odds are you will have to swap out the motherboard too (the CPU might not be the issue), you would also have to make sure the CPU fan still functions.
Here is the repair manual:
http://www.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01689926.pdf
...snip...
KiwiInOz wrote:Since the Pit has become the Tech help Centre - does anyone know how to deal with that bloody Search Redirect trojan/virus thingy. A simple answer that actually works would be nice.
Thanks for info, Tribble. A colleague of mine once suggested to just buy laptops like you buy a Bic lighter, disposable and cheap. I'll have to think about my options for a bit. Thankfully no rush.Tribble wrote:I've built my own rigs from the 8088 days until a few years ago, but in all that, I haven't screwed with a laptop since the mid-1990s so some layout stuff I know might be a tad obsolete.Wonderist wrote:Ahhhh, of course, one blink, pause, ad infinitum. Yep, kinda makes sense too, and it's been running hotter and hotter for a while. That blows. I guess there's no point in trying to replace a CPU? I'm a software guy, not hardware, and don't know laptops for shit. Probably need a whole new laptop, eh? Fuck, you'd think maybe there'd be a market for scrap laptop replacement parts? Or are there just too many models to deal with compatibility and demand?
Laptops tend to have cheap CPUs. Just make sure you fix your cooling problem first. CPUs don't normally over-heat and blow-up unless there's a cooling problem. Cooling problems are most likely caused by dust. But you could have bad/disconnected fans, had your heatsink get knocked off or some such.
Your CPU should be under a cover on the bottom of the case. Your memory under another cover. Look for some vents, the CPU is usually close to them. It's easy to replace as it uses a ZIF socket. Just make sure to use the exact replacement and to completely clean the computer AND make sure you apply all fans/heat-sinks properly.
Your local computer repair store might be able to test the laptop and it's components it if it's not under warranty and confirm what component(s) is/are bad.
All said and done, it may be cheaper to turn it into an anchor and buy a new one.
A lot of people got bit by that Nvidia GPU problem, it wasn't just HP. Nvidia ended up writing some big checks to Apple as well.mordacious1 wrote:Throw it away (I mean recycle). The problem with those laptops is not with the CPU, batteries, or whatever else was mentioned. The problem was that HP was (knowingly, I might add) putting defective Nvidia GPUs in their laptops. They tried to do cheap fixes (just to get their crap through warranty) by doing a BIOS update which would turn the fan on basically all the time. This only postponed the inevitable. Nvidia lost a class action lawsuit and the judge agreed to have HP replace thousands of very expensive laptops with Compaq CQ56 craptops which are worth about $200. If you replace the CPU, it will just fry again. You'd have to replace the GPU also. Google "Nvidia Class Action Lawsuit" for more info. Good luck.Wonderist wrote:
HP Pavilion dv7, from back when I wasn't (completely, just mostly) broke.
The days of laptops having cheap CPUs have been gone for some time now, unless you're at the VERY low end. also, a lot of laptops don't use ZIFs anymore, those take up space. For laptops, direct attachment is the way to go, saves space and reduces signal loss at junctions.Tribble wrote:I've built my own rigs from the 8088 days until a few years ago, but in all that, I haven't screwed with a laptop since the mid-1990s so some layout stuff I know might be a tad obsolete.Wonderist wrote:Ahhhh, of course, one blink, pause, ad infinitum. Yep, kinda makes sense too, and it's been running hotter and hotter for a while. That blows. I guess there's no point in trying to replace a CPU? I'm a software guy, not hardware, and don't know laptops for shit. Probably need a whole new laptop, eh? Fuck, you'd think maybe there'd be a market for scrap laptop replacement parts? Or are there just too many models to deal with compatibility and demand?
Laptops tend to have cheap CPUs. Just make sure you fix your cooling problem first. CPUs don't normally over-heat and blow-up unless there's a cooling problem. Cooling problems are most likely caused by dust. But you could have bad/disconnected fans, had your heatsink get knocked off or some such.
Your CPU should be under a cover on the bottom of the case. Your memory under another cover. Look for some vents, the CPU is usually close to them. It's easy to replace as it uses a ZIF socket. Just make sure to use the exact replacement and to completely clean the computer AND make sure you apply all fans/heat-sinks properly.
Your local computer repair store might be able to test the laptop and it's components it if it's not under warranty and confirm what component(s) is/are bad.
All said and done, it may be cheaper to turn it into an anchor and buy a new one.
There is a lot to be said for that approach. Just ensure you have a good backup strategy.Wonderist wrote:Thanks for info, Tribble. A colleague of mine once suggested to just buy laptops like you buy a Bic lighter, disposable and cheap. I'll have to think about my options for a bit. Thankfully no rush.
Unless you need a high powered system, I tend to agree with that. I bought a cheap $400 Acer dual-core, 4GB system back in 2010. It still does just fine. I bought just for what I needed back then. At $400 a pop, I figured I could take that purchasing approach every year and still come out with a better system at the end of 3 years, than trying to buy a $1,200 system that would last 3 years.Wonderist wrote:A colleague of mine once suggested to just buy laptops like you buy a Bic lighter, disposable and cheap. I'll have to think about my options for a bit. Thankfully no rush.
Wow, I think you guys are both underestimating Nugent by a lot, IMO. He's had so many opportunities to mess up and has not messed up once, IMO (well, except at the very beginning, of course). I think maybe you are expecting different things from him than I am. Like, I'm not expecting him to come 'out' as an ally any time soon, if ever. He's been so impeccably neutral that I cannot say for certain what his true opinions are at the moment, though I have a fairly strong feeling he's at least sympathetic to our concerns, if not in full agreement that they are valid concerns. Yet I could be completely wrong on that and maybe he's got little to no sympathy in our general direction, and nothing he's done so far would be inconsistent with that outcome either. That's a pretty astounding feat of neutrality, IMHO. I know of no one else who's been so deeply involved who's been able to maintain that kind of consistency of neutrality. Jerry Coyne has only managed it by staying well the fuck away from it, and I don't blame him. Same with Hemant Mehta. But Nugent's right in the thick of it. Amazing to me.Parody Accountant wrote:It's possible that he has maneuvered himself into a corner. He may be unable to maintain OB as both a IRL guest and an online 'target of harassment' (aka person we'd like to discuss). He might have calculated the situation as temporarily untenable. Kicking the can down the road another time, til after the convention...Lsuoma wrote:The Beatification begins (Eire is a Roman Catholic Country after all..):
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/teflon.jpg
Nugent has been co-opted, and is scared of the Wrath of Feefle's Minions. This is evidence that his bollocks have been removed and placed in the trophy case of OCC. Do not expect him to do anything other than suck up to her in Dublin, and bend over backwards to give her a rimjob. He is a lost cause.
...*snipped awesome music*...
Wishful thinking? Yeah. I'll admit that 100%.
Apparently it's a fucker. My mom had to deal with it once. She's a big fan of Kim Komando and figured out on her own how to get rid of it from the Kim Komando site. I don't even have anti-virus besides built-in windows stuff and haven't had a virus in... fuck, I can't even remember. Don't install stupid shit. On your computer or into your head. Goes for alla ya. ;-)KiwiInOz wrote:Since the Pit has become the Tech help Centre - does anyone know how to deal with that bloody Search Redirect trojan/virus thingy. A simple answer that actually works would be nice.
Welcome! Here's your mandatory basket of links:kunda wrote:Hello there everyone. I've spent the last few days reading numerous posts and gotten a feel for the way it is around here. Previous to that I had been reading various FtB blogs for about six months or so and started to notice 'the pattern'. Anyway, I was truly expecting this place to be splattered in blood with racist/sexist epithets smeared on the walls with feces. It was a real pleasure to hear Skep Tickle the other night on the radio and kinda cemented my feeling about the place, I wanna engage with people who think like that. Looking forward to diving in.
did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:Adding - pre-demonization of Nugnuts in action. He'll be witch of the week before Feefles', Twatson's and PeeZus' return flights' wheels have left the tarmac at DUB.Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
Hi kunda - glad you were able to get past FtB's misrepresentation of the Pit; they do lay it on thick at times, don't they. (If I were an FtBer, I'd be over here in a flash once warned off the place, just to see what it was like. But maybe that's just me. Uh, which is also why I'm not an FtBer. Hmm, starting to sound circular...)kunda wrote:Hello there everyone. I've spent the last few days reading numerous posts and gotten a feel for the way it is around here. Previous to that I had been reading various FtB blogs for about six months or so and started to notice 'the pattern'. Anyway, I was truly expecting this place to be splattered in blood with racist/sexist epithets smeared on the walls with feces. It was a real pleasure to hear Skep Tickle the other night on the radio and kinda cemented my feeling about the place, I wanna engage with people who think like that. Looking forward to diving in.
In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.sacha wrote:did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
Urban Dictionary wrote: 1. Mick
Derogatory word for Irish people.
The origin of the word is disputed. Some beliefs are that "mick" comes from the common "Mc" in many Irish names. McSorley, McNeil, McFlannagan, ect.
Others believe its related to the sound of a drunken hiccup. I was the captain *mick* of a ship *mick* for 3 years!!
Also, Mick is the word that "spick" came from.
Irish and Hispanics are both dominantly catholic. In the 1900's when Irish immigrants had pretty much been well established, but still hated by many Americans, was also the time when many Hispanic immigrants made their entry into America. They ended up sharing our churches, schools and neighborhoods due to the catholic faith and moral values we had in common. When early retard americans saw this, they bagan calling hispanics "spicks" (Like a spanish Mick).
Mick is also used between Irish friends and relatives in a playful and joking way.
Like "Joey, you stupid mick"
Also Mick is a word that Dutchman are afraid to use, cause they know that us Micks will tear em up. Like the guy "JESSIE" who posted earlier, they only say it on the web, or when we arent around.
"that damn mick"
"My cousin is one crazy mick"
I've asked him which he prefers, & he said either Mick or Michael. Those who know him well may tend to call him by the more familiar name, which he sounds quite comfortable using.deLurch wrote:In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice. ...sacha wrote:did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
The conduit version? You'll need cccleaner and instructions on the net. This is the simple version reply.KiwiInOz wrote:Since the Pit has become the Tech help Centre - does anyone know how to deal with that bloody Search Redirect trojan/virus thingy. A simple answer that actually works would be nice.
yes, I know. and how is that defending her?deLurch wrote:In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.sacha wrote:did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.Lsuoma wrote:The Beatification begins (Eire is a Roman Catholic Country after all..):
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/teflon.jpg
Nugent has been co-opted, and is scared of the Wrath of Feefle's Minions. This is evidence that his bollocks have been removed and placed in the trophy case of OCC. Do not expect him to do anything other than suck up to her in Dublin, and bend over backwards to give her a rimjob. He is a lost cause.
OTOH, the good news is that I've rediscovered my copy of "Live, May 11, 1968" by HP Lovecraft which is one of the GREAT live psych albums from the '60s, especially "Wayfarin' Stranger" with killer organ, and the cover of Fred Neil's "The Bag I'm In". Truly, truly a great album!
http://hifirecordsla.com/covers/big/R-2 ... 79617.jpeg
I read deLurch as saying: "In [her] 'defense', Mick is primarily..." meaning he thought she meant to use it that way.sacha wrote:yes, I know. and how is that defending her?deLurch wrote:In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.sacha wrote:did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
Tell him I think he's a dumb bitch, and that his opinion isn't important at all.Wonderist wrote: Wow, I think you guys are both underestimating Nugent by a lot, IMO. He's had so many opportunities to mess up and has not messed up once, IMO (well, except at the very beginning, of course). I think maybe you are expecting different things from him than I am. Like, I'm not expecting him to come 'out' as an ally any time soon, if ever. He's been so impeccably neutral that I cannot say for certain what his true opinions are at the moment, though I have a fairly strong feeling he's at least sympathetic to our concerns, if not in full agreement that they are valid concerns. Yet I could be completely wrong on that and maybe he's got little to no sympathy in our general direction, and nothing he's done so far would be inconsistent with that outcome either. That's a pretty astounding feat of neutrality, IMHO. I know of no one else who's been so deeply involved who's been able to maintain that kind of consistency of neutrality. Jerry Coyne has only managed it by staying well the fuck away from it, and I don't blame him. Same with Hemant Mehta. But Nugent's right in the thick of it. Amazing to me.
Listen, imagine Nugent tilted slightly in our direction. What would happen? Big dust up, Ophelia would surely ditch, big controversy over the conference, Atheist Ireland likely to get a black eye, it would seriously fuck with AI and Nugent's world in general.
Now, imagine he tilted slightly in their direction. *We'd* be the ones stirring up shit over it (SlymePitters, critics in general). We already did when we came down hard on the 50 things VaculaMustDenounce post. That was a big chunk of unexpected chaos in Nugent's world. He spent a lot of his own personal time on that. Then the dialogue thing, he spent a good deal of time on that too, regaining a stability and balance, even if it did stall in the end. Now things aren't so chaotic at this moment, and the best thing for Nugent/AI is to get this upcoming conference to pull off without a hitch. Whatever happens after that is up in the air, but if they can make it through the conference, they are home safe from major controversy that could fuck with their world.
So, Ophelia looks like she's going to have a breakdown, so Nugent contacts her and assures her that he'll moderate any comment that's about her so he can ensure that she's not going to bail, and so the conference goes off without a hitch. Stability again. He's got it fricken handled, I gotta hand it to him. And as he said, it's probably not just him, but his AI colleagues as well, I'm imagining.
Give the guy a break, he's got obligations. He can't just swing this way or that way, even if his own opinions are swinging this way or that way. The conference is a big deal for them. Conference first, controversy after, if ever. I think that's how he sees things, and it helps me make sense of his actions, so that's why I think it's impressive. Perhaps you guys are expecting something different, and when he doesn't go the way you're hoping, it comes off as a disappointment?
(Actually, re-reading ParodyAccountant's comment, maybe he's saying something rather similar to what I'm saying: Controversy after convention.)
Pogsurf has another blog post up,a new moderation policy he's put up in response to an email he received which was quite likely related to his 2 posts above, worth a read: http://pogsurf.blogspot.com/2013/06/abusive-e-mail.htmlSkep tickle wrote:Currently the 2 entries at the top of Pogsurf's blog are, 1 after the other:
http://pogsurf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/p ... award.html
http://pogsurf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/w ... inner.html
I'm going to guess there's a connection between the 2...
He's now up to 4 mod notices at atheism+ in a thread of 12 posts, with himself having only put up 5 posts total. Quite the batting average. But he's not yet banned. Bets on how long it'll be?Skep tickle wrote:3 moderator notices in a 9-post thread. Quite the overachiever, I see. :lol:jjbinx007 wrote:While on the subject of Pogsurf, check this out:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4862
Pogsurf is also on Colon's block bot.
:lol:rayshul wrote:http://forlackofabettercomic.com/?id=242
You got to love their twisted logic.Skep tickle wrote:Pogsurf has another blog post up,a new moderation policy he's put up in response to an email he received which was quite likely related to his 2 posts above, worth a read: http://pogsurf.blogspot.com/2013/06/abusive-e-mail.htmlSkep tickle wrote:Currently the 2 entries at the top of Pogsurf's blog are, 1 after the other:
http://pogsurf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/p ... award.html
http://pogsurf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/w ... inner.html
I'm going to guess there's a connection between the 2...
He's now up to 4 mod notices at atheism+ in a thread of 12 posts, with himself having only put up 5 posts total. Quite the batting average. But he's not yet banned. Bets on how long it'll be?Skep tickle wrote:3 moderator notices in a 9-post thread. Quite the overachiever, I see. :lol:jjbinx007 wrote:While on the subject of Pogsurf, check this out:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4862
Pogsurf is also on Colon's block bot.
Steersman wrote: You and many others here are apparently no slouches in the “mythologizing†department yourselves.
For instance, you might ask Oolon if he’s planning on correcting the egregious bit of propaganda that he was peddling on Nugent’s blog, on Benson’s, and on two threads on Zvan’s about “Maxwell Smart†being the first to let the cat out of the bag about Skep tickle when, in fact, that “honour†falls to “TheBlackCat†on Pharyngula some 6 days prior to Smart’s comment. Do check the details on Nugent’s recent post (comments #116 & #119).
In addition, you might also ask Stacy whether they’re planning on providing evidence to justify their apparent accusation that “MosesZD†posts on the pit or that his position is subscribed to by any significant percentage of the pit. Which is supposedly sufficient to justify his/her argument that that is sufficient to “discredit the pit†– at least in their rather fevered imagination in any case. (comment #266).
Or how about “Matt Penfold’s†“argument†(’tis to laugh) that “The slymepit regards women as subservient to men� (comments #39, 41, 42, 43, 52, etc., etc., etc.)
And even your suggestion that it was some nefarious subgroup of “mythologizers over at the SlymePit†who were asserting that “it was a targeted ‘false flag’ operation†really doesn’t hold any water either as a search of the term shows nothing before May 7. Seems to me you’re just a little confused as the only person that I see that used that term is “MosesZD†who has, as I mentioned to Stacy, never posted in the Pit, at least under that name. Do try to keep your facts straight.
But, as the cherry on top, the pièce de résistance, consider Ophelia Benson’s “claim†– although “fantasy†seems more appropriate – that Nugent’s “blog is *still* full of people calling me a c*ntâ€. To which Derek Walsh quite reasonably responded, in effect, that she was full of it. (1)
While I will readily concede that there are more than a few on “our†side whose grasp of the “truth†is a little tenuous, the foregoing – which is really only a tip of a rather large and problematic iceberg – suggests that the problem is just as bad if not worse on “your†side. Maybe because you’re trying to shoehorn facts into some narrow, if not narrow-minded, dogma.
But if you actually want to put your money where your mouth is and actually stand behind your call for “hearing all ideasâ€, and using “argumentation, evidence and reason instead, sans all the acrimony and shameless houndingâ€, you all could start by being a little less draconian, not to say self-serving and bigoted, in your moderation policies. You might find – we might all find – that the quest for workable principles is ill-served by the narratives sustained by such policies.
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1) “_https://twitter.com/funkyderek/status/334021383464026114â€;
Epic.rayshul wrote:http://forlackofabettercomic.com/?id=242
Choke Spot ChokedeLurch wrote:In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.sacha wrote:did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mickUrban Dictionary wrote: 1. Mick
Derogatory word for Irish people.
The origin of the word is disputed. Some beliefs are that "mick" comes from the common "Mc" in many Irish names. McSorley, McNeil, McFlannagan, ect.
Others believe its related to the sound of a drunken hiccup. I was the captain *mick* of a ship *mick* for 3 years!!
Also, Mick is the word that "spick" came from.
Irish and Hispanics are both dominantly catholic. In the 1900's when Irish immigrants had pretty much been well established, but still hated by many Americans, was also the time when many Hispanic immigrants made their entry into America. They ended up sharing our churches, schools and neighborhoods due to the catholic faith and moral values we had in common. When early retard americans saw this, they bagan calling hispanics "spicks" (Like a spanish Mick).
Mick is also used between Irish friends and relatives in a playful and joking way.
Like "Joey, you stupid mick"
Also Mick is a word that Dutchman are afraid to use, cause they know that us Micks will tear em up. Like the guy "JESSIE" who posted earlier, they only say it on the web, or when we arent around.
"that damn mick"
"My cousin is one crazy mick"
oh. Thank you.Skep tickle wrote:I read deLurch as saying: "In [her] 'defense', Mick is primarily..." meaning he thought she meant to use it that way.sacha wrote:yes, I know. and how is that defending her?deLurch wrote:
In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.
Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:sacha wrote:oh. Thank you.Skep tickle wrote:I read deLurch as saying: "In [her] 'defense', Mick is primarily..." meaning he thought she meant to use it that way.sacha wrote:yes, I know. and how is that defending her?deLurch wrote:
In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.
I misunderstood, deLurch, my apologies.
Yes, her deliberate use of "Mick" (as a Merkin) is far worse than referring to Richard Dawkins as "Dick".
After reviewing all of the provided information, it does appear that your and Skep Tickle's assessments are the most plausible.Steersman wrote:Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:
even if we give her the benefit of the doubt as to the bigotry insinuated in the use of "Mick"Steersman wrote:Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:sacha wrote:oh. Thank you.Skep tickle wrote:I read deLurch as saying: "In [her] 'defense', Mick is primarily..." meaning he thought she meant to use it that way.sacha wrote:yes, I know. and how is that defending her?deLurch wrote:
In Stephanie Zvan's defense "Mick" is primarily an American derogatory term for Irishmen akin to "Spic" for Hispanics. She probably thought that he wouldn't notice.
I misunderstood, deLurch, my apologies.
Yes, her deliberate use of "Mick" (as a Merkin) is far worse than referring to Richard Dawkins as "Dick".
How is it "giving her the benefit of the doubt" if you insist on that?sacha wrote:even if we give her the benefit of the doubt as to the bigotry insinuated in the use of "Mick"Steersman wrote:Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:sacha wrote: <snip>
Yes, her deliberate use of "Mick" (as a Merkin) is far worse than referring to Richard Dawkins as "Dick".
it's still a diminutive used derogatively.
I certainly wouldn't use the term as I haven't had any direct communications with him. But quite possibly Zvan might have done so, even if only just on the recent dialog. I'll agree that it's "iffy", particularly given her "Dick" reference, but that's about it ....He is known as Michael, not Mick, and she certainly isn't a close friend of his.
She was making a disparaging remark, and using Mick instead of Michael deliberately.
Given this information:sacha wrote:even if we give her the benefit of the doubt as to the bigotry insinuated in the use of "Mick"
it's still a diminutive used derogatively. He is known as Michael, not Mick, and she certainly isn't a close friend of his.
She was making a disparaging remark, and using Mick instead of Michael deliberately.
And this information:Skep tickle wrote:I've asked him which he prefers, & he said either Mick or Michael. Those who know him well may tend to call him by the more familiar name, which he sounds quite comfortable using.
It appears he easily goes by both names.Steersman wrote:Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:
Agreed.deLurch wrote:After reviewing all of the provided information, it does appear that your and Skep Tickle's assessments are the most plausible.Steersman wrote:Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:
It's 'iffy' enough for her to have plausible deniability.Steersman wrote:How is it "giving her the benefit of the doubt" if you insist on that?sacha wrote:even if we give her the benefit of the doubt as to the bigotry insinuated in the use of "Mick"Steersman wrote:Maybe, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me considering that Michael's twitter handle is @micknugent:sacha wrote: <snip>
Yes, her deliberate use of "Mick" (as a Merkin) is far worse than referring to Richard Dawkins as "Dick".
it's still a diminutive used derogatively.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/benefit+of+the+doubtI certainly wouldn't use the term as I haven't had any direct communications with him. But quite possibly Zvan might have done so, even if only just on the recent dialog. I'll agree that it's "iffy", particularly given her "Dick" reference, but that's about it ....He is known as Michael, not Mick, and she certainly isn't a close friend of his.
She was making a disparaging remark, and using Mick instead of Michael deliberately.
The pompous tub of lard plans to give Nugent a good talking to while he's there.Tony Parsehole wrote:No matter what Michael Nugent does or says, no matter how disrespectful, impartial or obsequious he acts the goon squad are going to drip-dry him after the Dublin AI conference. I can see it coming a mile off.
He then goes on to mention his posts in the A+ forum. He should have mentioned the fact that the A-Plussers don't seem to care about social justice unless it directly concerns them.Dear Humanists,
In 2011 Professor PZ Myers was awarded the International Humanist Award.
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One thing I find beyond the pale is rape jokes. Minimising the suffering of victims, and silencing their voices must be entirely inconsistent with the aims of humanism. Yet for a period of at least a year anal rape jokes were part of the official moderation policy of the 'global phenomenon' which you praised. Where is the consistency?
I'd love to see that happen. He'll be nice to Michael's face and then, when safely back in America, call him everything but a bog-trotting cunt on Pharyngula.cunt wrote:The pompous tub of lard plans to give Nugent a good talking to while he's there.Tony Parsehole wrote:No matter what Michael Nugent does or says, no matter how disrespectful, impartial or obsequious he acts the goon squad are going to drip-dry him after the Dublin AI conference. I can see it coming a mile off.
Yep. As he did with JV and Skep Tickle he will project and assert motives and intentions with no evidence at all. If he was genuine about his claims I would doubt his ability to interact effectively in any social environment. If I consistently misread people that badly I would be very concerned.Tony Parsehole wrote:I'd love to see that happen. He'll be nice to Michael's face and then, when safely back in America, call him everything but a bog-trotting cunt on Pharyngula.cunt wrote:The pompous tub of lard plans to give Nugent a good talking to while he's there.Tony Parsehole wrote:No matter what Michael Nugent does or says, no matter how disrespectful, impartial or obsequious he acts the goon squad are going to drip-dry him after the Dublin AI conference. I can see it coming a mile off.
I kind of get the impression he could care less what you call him unless it is late to dinner. Which kind of begs the question of why would he really care what the Black Zvan calls him?jjbinx007 wrote:I would have thought that as Mr Nugent's twitter account is @micknugent he would be happy being referred to as Mick.
He could care less. I, however, could not.AndrewV69 wrote: I kind of get the impression he could care less
I think Nugent did indicate that "Mick" was acceptable to him (I was concerned about this too).sacha wrote:did Nugent tell her that the diminutive "Mick" was okay to use in reference to him?Lsuoma wrote:Adding - pre-demonization of Nugnuts in action. He'll be witch of the week before Feefles', Twatson's and PeeZus' return flights' wheels have left the tarmac at DUB.Lsuoma wrote:This needs capping. It's to do with the FFRF FB page kerfluffle.
The Huge Zvanatee is becoming as insane as Feefles.
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/svanBS.jpg
We are on the same page, Wonderist. I think you hit the nail on the head there.Wonderist wrote:Wow, I think you guys are both underestimating Nugent by a lot, IMO. He's had so many opportunities to mess up and has not messed up once, IMO (well, except at the very beginning, of course). I think maybe you are expecting different things from him than I am. Like, I'm not expecting him to come 'out' as an ally any time soon, if ever. He's been so impeccably neutral that I cannot say for certain what his true opinions are at the moment, though I have a fairly strong feeling he's at least sympathetic to our concerns, if not in full agreement that they are valid concerns. Yet I could be completely wrong on that and maybe he's got little to no sympathy in our general direction, and nothing he's done so far would be inconsistent with that outcome either. That's a pretty astounding feat of neutrality, IMHO. I know of no one else who's been so deeply involved who's been able to maintain that kind of consistency of neutrality. Jerry Coyne has only managed it by staying well the fuck away from it, and I don't blame him. Same with Hemant Mehta. But Nugent's right in the thick of it. Amazing to me.Parody Accountant wrote:It's possible that he has maneuvered himself into a corner. He may be unable to maintain OB as both a IRL guest and an online 'target of harassment' (aka person we'd like to discuss). He might have calculated the situation as temporarily untenable. Kicking the can down the road another time, til after the convention...Lsuoma wrote:The Beatification begins (Eire is a Roman Catholic Country after all..):
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/teflon.jpg
Nugent has been co-opted, and is scared of the Wrath of Feefle's Minions. This is evidence that his bollocks have been removed and placed in the trophy case of OCC. Do not expect him to do anything other than suck up to her in Dublin, and bend over backwards to give her a rimjob. He is a lost cause.
...*snipped awesome music*...
Wishful thinking? Yeah. I'll admit that 100%.
Listen, imagine Nugent tilted slightly in our direction. What would happen? Big dust up, Ophelia would surely ditch, big controversy over the conference, Atheist Ireland likely to get a black eye, it would seriously fuck with AI and Nugent's world in general.
Now, imagine he tilted slightly in their direction. *We'd* be the ones stirring up shit over it (SlymePitters, critics in general). We already did when we came down hard on the 50 things VaculaMustDenounce post. That was a big chunk of unexpected chaos in Nugent's world. He spent a lot of his own personal time on that. Then the dialogue thing, he spent a good deal of time on that too, regaining a stability and balance, even if it did stall in the end. Now things aren't so chaotic at this moment, and the best thing for Nugent/AI is to get this upcoming conference to pull off without a hitch. Whatever happens after that is up in the air, but if they can make it through the conference, they are home safe from major controversy that could fuck with their world.
So, Ophelia looks like she's going to have a breakdown, so Nugent contacts her and assures her that he'll moderate any comment that's about her so he can ensure that she's not going to bail, and so the conference goes off without a hitch. Stability again. He's got it fricken handled, I gotta hand it to him. And as he said, it's probably not just him, but his AI colleagues as well, I'm imagining.
Give the guy a break, he's got obligations. He can't just swing this way or that way, even if his own opinions are swinging this way or that way. The conference is a big deal for them. Conference first, controversy after, if ever. I think that's how he sees things, and it helps me make sense of his actions, so that's why I think it's impressive. Perhaps you guys are expecting something different, and when he doesn't go the way you're hoping, it comes off as a disappointment?
(Actually, re-reading ParodyAccountant's comment, maybe he's saying something rather similar to what I'm saying: Controversy after convention.)
This is my view too. If Nugent sympathizes with "our side", we wouldn't necessarily know it from his actions (though he does seem to be much much fairer to us than the "other side"). Remember how some people here have talked about the FC(n) not actually getting much done except making drama? Some of the people who do get stuff done work with people, and they often need to get unreasonable people to cooperate. As a consequence they may have to make concessions or allowances that don't seem fair, but it doesn't have to be fair, it just has to work. OTOH it surprised me when Lindsay responded the way he did to RW's goading, because he seemed to be in a somewhat similar position.Wonderist wrote:--snipped--
Give the guy a break, he's got obligations. He can't just swing this way or that way, even if his own opinions are swinging this way or that way. The conference is a big deal for them. Conference first, controversy after, if ever. I think that's how he sees things, and it helps me make sense of his actions, so that's why I think it's impressive. Perhaps you guys are expecting something different, and when he doesn't go the way you're hoping, it comes off as a disappointment?
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If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?LMU wrote:This is my view too. If Nugent sympathizes with "our side", we wouldn't necessarily know it from his actions (though he does seem to be much much fairer to us than the "other side"). Remember how some people here have talked about the FC(n) not actually getting much done except making drama? Some of the people who do get stuff done work with people, and they often need to get unreasonable people to cooperate. As a consequence they may have to make concessions or allowances that don't seem fair, but it doesn't have to be fair, it just has to work. OTOH it surprised me when Lindsay responded the way he did to RW's goading, because he seemed to be in a somewhat similar position.Wonderist wrote:--snipped--
Give the guy a break, he's got obligations. He can't just swing this way or that way, even if his own opinions are swinging this way or that way. The conference is a big deal for them. Conference first, controversy after, if ever. I think that's how he sees things, and it helps me make sense of his actions, so that's why I think it's impressive. Perhaps you guys are expecting something different, and when he doesn't go the way you're hoping, it comes off as a disappointment?
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You just wrote pretty much what I was going to write. I don't think he's been particularly neutral or fair so far. He's called out/focussed on certain posts at the 'Pit for scrutiny but hasn't done the same for the FTB crowd.Dick Strawkins wrote: If Nugent is so fair and balanced on this issue then how do you explain his 'gotcha' type posts giving carefully selected out of context quotes from the slymepit - starting off with Francs cunt-kick line - which didn't even originate here?
How about his immediater pouncing on that stupid troll-post of an Ophelia naked old lady photoshop.
And that was hardly his first foray into the identity politics arena, he's previously written attacks on both Woolly Bumblebee and Thunderf00t.
His 'dialogue' process seems specifically designed to avoid any talk of the behavior of the FTB crowd and is mired down in pedantic fussing by Svan.
The only tangeable thing the process has achieved is passing on Skep tickles identity to Svan - who has apparently given it to Ophurfucksake Benson to use as she desired.
So no, I don't buy into the idea that Nugent is some kind of fair neutral party.
Oh no! Where's the couch?Lsuoma wrote:BTW, is the Thimbledick attempting doxxing:
http://slymepit.com/staticimgs/jtdo.jpg
(From: http://www.freezepage.com/1370832595QXAFDBXSNN) TBH, I can't tell anymore...
That seems reasonable, but then it should be applicable to the FtBer's propensity to libel others as well. Of course Ophelia's the one who's being flown over to Eire to speak, and she's the one who's Skype-whinged to Nugent. Apart from Myers and Watson, the rest of us Merkins don't really matter, do we?Jack wrote: You may be right but I would also consider it to be an issue of Eire libel law which may be similar to the UK. A few comments made earlier brought up the fact that the US people may trip over these laws and Nugent is probably covering himself. Calling someone a liar was not allowed anyway there, he is restating that part.
My "pal"? lol. We post at the same forum, we're not BFF's. Justin does self-promote quite a lot and this isn't news to anyone. He also doesn't seem to mind who he talks to, which may actually be a good thing is certain situations.Stacy
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Oh, wow, I remember those assholes.
I loved how DW tried to defend Vacula by saying he isn’t really “associated with†AVfM, despite the evidence. It’s just that Vacula will use any group in his quest for self-promotion.
Leaving aside the idiotic refusal to acknowledge the meaning of the word “associate,†he provided a damning summation of his pal’s character. And didn’t realize it.
