Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Gumby]

Well, I think I better get this framed ... After that fat idiot banned my ferbyd account, I then sent a note from ferbyd into his banspace (cos you just know he reads them, he's too nosey not to) and in there I told the flabby twit that I had 20 accounts on FTB and that I'll keep posting there under different names, and do you know what, that stupid fuck believed me ... In fact, I've only ever had about 4 or 5 different accounts (all banned by kindly old "I hardly ever ban anyone!" Myers ... and February 2012 !? I posted my first ever post there about 4 weeks ago, so I'm absolutely fascinated to know by what methods he workout these figures of "20 accounts", "February 2012", and "261 comments". What a joke he is. Look at him blatantly lying even to his own flock. "That's it kiddies, drink up the kool aid, yes yes, you trust me, I'd never lie to you!!". wow.

http://i.imgur.com/vBrGCC3.png

All cult leaders lie to their flock. It's in the rulebook.

[ERV]

PZ Myers

This event has a clearly defined goal of producing a consensus statement on the rights of women, and I will set aside other issues for the purpose of seeing that done.

This is great news - nobody in Ireland has ever had the time or the "intellectual artillery" to address this complex and thorny subject. Team America: Gender Police to the rescue.

NOH MAH GAWD!

THAT is why we havent cured AIDS yet!

We keep doing this stupid 'research' shit, and 'educating people' garbage, when what we really needed was A CONSENSUS STATEMENT!

[DW Adams]

Direct attack on TAM by Paul Myers:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... anization/

PZ links to this blog: http://dubitoergosum.net/2013/06/07/an- ... ble-claim/

The other guy evaluates the claim in more detail and more graciously, but they're both right that JREF's claim that (bolding added) "TAM 2013 is actually cheaper than any other skeptic conference when hotel, travel, and meals are factored in" is appropriate to question and doesn't seem to hold up. Of course it depends on what you allow as "any other skeptic conference" and where a person is traveling from, but the guy at the link compares it to CSI's Skeptic Toolbox, with a slightly lower estimate for the latter conference.

It's all relative, as this commenter explains:

Jim Lippard says:
June 12, 2013 at 2:20 AM

FYI, TAM does include three breakfasts and two lunches with the registration. Your Skepticon comparison is rather location-dependent–for me, I’d have to fly to Skepticon, while I could drive or fly to Vegas for less than the cost to get to Springfield. A round-trip ticket for TAM today would cost me $197, vs. $504 for Springfield with the same dates (according to Google’s ITA Software). The overall costs would be comparable if I wanted to stay at the conference hotel in both cases (the South Point Casino JREF rate was $45/night for Thu, $85/night for Fri, Sat)–TAM $475+$197+$215 = $887, Skepticon free+$504+$417 = $921, without comparing meals (are they included at Skepticon?).

[Aneris]

Well, I think I better get this framed ... After that fat idiot banned my ferbyd account, I then sent a note from ferbyd into his banspace (cos you just know he reads them, he's too nosey not to) and in there I told the flabby twit that I had 20 accounts on FTB and that I'll keep posting there under different names, and do you know what, that stupid fuck believed me ... In fact, I've only ever had about 4 or 5 different accounts (all banned by kindly old "I hardly ever ban anyone!" Myers ... and February 2012 !? I posted my first ever post there about 4 weeks ago, so I'm absolutely fascinated to know by what methods he workout these figures of "20 accounts", "February 2012", and "261 comments". What a joke he is. Look at him blatantly lying even to his own flock. "That's it kiddies, drink up the kool aid, yes yes, you trust me, I'd never lie to you!!". wow.

http://i.imgur.com/vBrGCC3.png

All cult leaders lie to their flock. It's in the rulebook.

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned. I'd like maintain there is fine difference between troll, and people who get into a collective deliberate offense gish gallop ("dogpile") and are then banned as a result.

[Lsuoma]

Mea culpa. I'd say some rosaries if I thought it would do any good.

Yes, please. It would make me feel better.

How 'bout some ovaries?

[Skep tickle]

Direct attack on TAM by Paul Myers:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... anization/

PZ links to this blog: http://dubitoergosum.net/2013/06/07/an- ... ble-claim/

The other guy evaluates the claim in more detail and more graciously, but they're both right that JREF's claim that (bolding added) "TAM 2013 is actually cheaper than any other skeptic conference when hotel, travel, and meals are factored in" is appropriate to question and doesn't seem to hold up. Of course it depends on what you allow as "any other skeptic conference" and where a person is traveling from, but the guy at the link compares it to CSI's Skeptic Toolbox, with a slightly lower estimate for the latter conference.

It's all relative, as this commenter explains:

Jim Lippard says:
June 12, 2013 at 2:20 AM

FYI, TAM does include three breakfasts and two lunches with the registration. Your Skepticon comparison is rather location-dependent–for me, I’d have to fly to Skepticon, while I could drive or fly to Vegas for less than the cost to get to Springfield. A round-trip ticket for TAM today would cost me $197, vs. $504 for Springfield with the same dates (according to Google’s ITA Software). The overall costs would be comparable if I wanted to stay at the conference hotel in both cases (the South Point Casino JREF rate was $45/night for Thu, $85/night for Fri, Sat)–TAM $475+$197+$215 = $887, Skepticon free+$504+$417 = $921, without comparing meals (are they included at Skepticon?).

Right. CFI Summit this fall will be a relatively low-cost conference for me to attend, 'cuz I can drive to it (and bring a sack lunch lol).

Also, note how US-centric this all is?

[Skep tickle]

Mea culpa. I'd say some rosaries if I thought it would do any good.

Yes, please. It would make me feel better.

How 'bout some ovaries?

Well, I am far more familiar with ovaries than with rosaries. I'd need some tips on the latter.

[Gumby]

PZ Myers

This event has a clearly defined goal of producing a consensus statement on the rights of women, and I will set aside other issues for the purpose of seeing that done.

This is great news - nobody in Ireland has ever had the time or the "intellectual artillery" to address this complex and thorny subject. Team America: Gender Police to the rescue.

NOH MAH GAWD!

THAT is why we havent cured AIDS yet!

We keep doing this stupid 'research' shit, and 'educating people' garbage, when what we really needed was A CONSENSUS STATEMENT!

So let's say they succeed in producing this "consensus statement on the rights of women". What does that change? What authority does this statement have? What authority do the people behind the statement have?

This statement will have zero effect on the world. It will produce nothing except larger egos for the pontificating gasbags behind it, people who will smugly proclaim that they are doing real and important activism.

Meanwhile, the world outside their little echo-chamber will keep spinning exactly as before - except with a slightly higher level of carbon dioxide, due to both the transatlantic jet flights to get to this conference, and the exhaust fumes emanating from the pie-holes of the "activist" hucksters who get others to finance their globetrotting.

[Skep tickle]

Well, I think I better get this framed ... After that fat idiot banned my ferbyd account, I then sent a note from ferbyd into his banspace (cos you just know he reads them, he's too nosey not to) and in there I told the flabby twit that I had 20 accounts on FTB and that I'll keep posting there under different names, and do you know what, that stupid fuck believed me ... In fact, I've only ever had about 4 or 5 different accounts (all banned by kindly old "I hardly ever ban anyone!" Myers ... and February 2012 !? I posted my first ever post there about 4 weeks ago, so I'm absolutely fascinated to know by what methods he workout these figures of "20 accounts", "February 2012", and "261 comments". What a joke he is. Look at him blatantly lying even to his own flock. "That's it kiddies, drink up the kool aid, yes yes, you trust me, I'd never lie to you!!". wow.

http://i.imgur.com/vBrGCC3.png

All cult leaders lie to their flock. It's in the rulebook.

Making it look like there is actually little opposition, just this one overachieving guy?

[Gumby]

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned.

I have to agree with you. It's stupid and counterproductive.

[Lsuoma]

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned.

I have to agree with you. It's stupid and counterproductive.

"But ALL teh Pitterz does it!!!"

And agree - that's one dumb stump...

[Gumby]

Well, I think I better get this framed ... After that fat idiot banned my ferbyd account, I then sent a note from ferbyd into his banspace (cos you just know he reads them, he's too nosey not to) and in there I told the flabby twit that I had 20 accounts on FTB and that I'll keep posting there under different names, and do you know what, that stupid fuck believed me ... In fact, I've only ever had about 4 or 5 different accounts (all banned by kindly old "I hardly ever ban anyone!" Myers ... and February 2012 !? I posted my first ever post there about 4 weeks ago, so I'm absolutely fascinated to know by what methods he workout these figures of "20 accounts", "February 2012", and "261 comments". What a joke he is. Look at him blatantly lying even to his own flock. "That's it kiddies, drink up the kool aid, yes yes, you trust me, I'd never lie to you!!". wow.

http://i.imgur.com/vBrGCC3.png

All cult leaders lie to their flock. It's in the rulebook.

Making it look like there is actually little opposition, just this one overachieving guy?

Yep. They have told their flock many times about their opposition: "Oh, it's just a few malcontents with a grudge".

It's also why they deliberately call just about everyone who disagrees with them a "Slymepitter". Makes no difference whether it's true or not, all that's important is assigning all opponents into a little box to make it seem like not many people disagree with them. Of course, with the increasingly loud voices stating their opposition to the baboons, that tactic is getting a lot harder to use.

[free thoughtpolice]

Well i'm sure that if TAM wasn't guilty of being a nest of MRA asshat misogynists PZ and friends wouldn't need to point out their evil deeds! What motive could they possibly have?

[AndrewV69]

funny comments here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-635084

Priceless.

PZ Myers is playing with fire. He even filed it under "Humor" (instead of fuckwit or whatever the other category is), possibly to give his humoristically-challenged readership a heads-up. Of course, they don't get it. Luckily, someone at Comment 7 clears it up, to avert more disaster.

I thought the video was pretty good. It had me chuckling.

With that said, if someone had done a freezepage that would have been great because the comments by "ferbyd" have all been edited to read :

[Hi, treestump/andywatson/louisemar/etc. Bye, treestump/andywatson/louisemar/etc. --pzm]

:lol:

[Gumby]

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned.

I have to agree with you. It's stupid and counterproductive.

"But ALL teh Pitterz does it!!!"

And agree - that's one dumb stump...

I haven't posted on Pharyngula since I found the original PToS on ERV. Since then I have made maybe five comments on any of the FtB blogs, and have long since stopped even that paltry amount of commenting.

We're better off sitting back and pointing out their hypocrisy and malevolence right from here. Creating a bunch of accounts just to irritate them plays into their narrative.

[AndrewV69]

People gave Justin Vacula $3,500 with no specific instruction that he get his dick or bum out.

Well he could use some part of it to get laid I suppose.

(as long as no elevators and/or coffee is involved I suppose he should be safe?)

[deLurch]

Mea culpa. I'd say some rosaries if I thought it would do any good.

Yes, please. It would make me feel better.

How 'bout some ovaries?

Well, I am far more familiar with ovaries than with rosaries. I'd need some tips on the latter.

[youtube]xCc-RWIp7XU[/youtube]

[Mykeru]

I would not be too certain about the "exclusively libertarian domain" if I were you. My understanding is that it is less about the politics and more about the menz and what stripe you belong to is usually made in the comments.

Anyway, apparently there is a time line here about Wolly Bumblebee :
http://thisiswhymgtow.blogspot.ca/2013/ ... -lulz.html

What's this about Mykeru and WBBs dismissal?

1 June: WBB's atheist ally Mykeru comments on her anti-MGTOW video, suggesting that libertarians and MGTOWs move aside and let the progressives own the MRM/manosphere. According to comments made by Paul Elam, it was on this day that he sent Kristina the email letting her go from AVfM (which she did not receive due to some kind of email issues).

Some of the comments on that are positively loopy.

Yeah, I read the first line:

18 February: Kristina, a woman, tells men to "get the fuck out" of the men's movement, never thinking that maybe it is she, being a woman, who does not actually belong there. She reels off a string of ad hominems typical of feminist rhetoric: "hatefulness, bigotry, homophobia ..."

And that's when sane people stop reading.

The guy is a whiny, butthurt-asshole. The short version is WBB just announced she was stepping down as news editor and this clown gets on Twitter claiming good riddance, she didn't belong there, she's a stealth radical feminist blah-blah-fucking-blah and I launched into him exactly because he's a butthurt little MGTOW asshole, she wasn't running off and even if she was, getting in a little back-stabbing offended my almost non-existent sense of decorum.

The MGTOW play the rad-fem sword-fighting with a fart game. They claim "Not all MGTOW are like that" and then invariably launch into this "women hurt me so I'm taking my ball and go home" bullshit. Not on paper, of course, just in practice, usually when you let one ramble on long enough. They are the closest thing to the radfem parody of MRAs that you can find in nature, right down to (I suspect) taking a stand by loving the cock.

Honestly, fuck 'em and if I fail the MRA purity test because I don't kiss butthurt ass, then good for me. Even though AvFm does some great stuff, and I agree with John the Other 99% of the time, it's these assholes that make me distance myself from the whole enterprise.

[sacha]

A very interesting case of activism by the progressive elements in our community occurred in Australia in late 2012. An online petition was started to make the local governments aware of the practice. Police got involved, initially secretly, and monitored the community. Eventually, they were made aware of a child of nine who just had FGM performed. As one can imagine, the proverbial excrement hit the fan. The police went on a door-to-door campaign handing out letters making the community members aware of the surveillance and to come forward if they knew anything about FGM in the community. To make matters worse, in a sermon the local mullah told his congregation to lie about this to the police (the practice is called "taqqiya", precautionary dissimulation). Someone recorded the conversation and handed it to the police. The mullah, along with a retired nurse and the parents of the girl were arrested. The girl and her sibling were taken into protective custody. The case continues, and hearings are scheduled for later this year.

An outcome of this activism is the involvement of all levels of Australian government, all the way to the prime minister's office. Now the anti-FGM laws across Australia are being tightened up. One can read the report for this below

http://www.ag.gov.au/Publications/Docum ... mework.pdf
...

Anyway, I thought this would be a good example of activism that has been successful in bringing about positive change for women and girls. Much more satisfying, but less fun than whining all day about perceived slights.

Thanks for the link, that's an encouraging example. Do you know if in this community the FGM was generally performed in Australia, or are the girls sent on "holiday" overseas to get it done? (The latter is suspected to be a widespread problem in Europe)

of course making the practice illegal will only have a small impact on few, and hospitals will see more girls in trauma and police will see more girls dead from home "surgery" performed by someone with rudimentary knowledge of medical practices using unsterilised, crude equipment.

This is at the top of the list of the so many things that infuriate me about the SJWs. They go about attempting to stop FGM in the worst way possible. Attacking and shaming their cultural belief that they are doing the right thing, and acting as though they are inherently better people who are there to teach the "primitive" women. These women love their daughters, and honestly believe they are doing what is best for them.

It is so eerily similar to foot binding in China, one would think it obvious those tactics are counterproductive. If one looks at the history of foot binding in China, there is clear history of girls being mutilated because of deeply held beliefs and done out of love for their daughters. We know ridicule and contempt do not work, and we know the most effective way to go about changing the way the practice is thought of, especially by the elder women is education and empowerment. It takes time, patience, and compassion to change cultural beliefs (and changing religious beliefs, as we all know, can be an elaborate and immense task), It may take generations, and many more women will be mutilated before it stops.

The SJWs want everything "right now", like a spoiled child who demands a new toy. They are children. Their thought processes and behaviour mirror disrespectful children who have always gotten whatever they want. It's obvious in everything they do, and their language and communication is a big part of that. For example, the doxxing is basically elaborate tattletaling because they are frustrated and feel the argument is not going their way. The children who "snitch" almost always lie or embellish what actually happened, they are perfect little angels, and the other child is evil incarnate. The people we are dealing with are not adults, and they should not be treated as such. One can't have a "dialogue" or come to a compromise with a repugnant, coddled child.

Of course I agree FGM should be illegal, from a "prick" of the clitoris, to complete annihilation of their genitals. My concern is that when people are forced to hide from the laws, and keep their customs secretive, they are less likely to get professional medical attention if something goes wrong, and it will become nearly impossible to know who and when and where the cutting is being done because the entire community will cover for each other and of course outsiders will be not be trusted.

[treestump]

Well, I think I better get this framed ... After that fat idiot banned my ferbyd account, I then sent a note from ferbyd into his banspace (cos you just know he reads them, he's too nosey not to) and in there I told the flabby twit that I had 20 accounts on FTB and that I'll keep posting there under different names, and do you know what, that stupid fuck believed me ... In fact, I've only ever had about 4 or 5 different accounts (all banned by kindly old "I hardly ever ban anyone!" Myers) ... and February 2012 !? I posted my first ever post there about 4 weeks ago, so I'm absolutely fascinated to know by what methods he worked out these figures of "20 accounts", "February 2012", and "261 comments". What a joke he is. Look at him blatantly lying even to his own flock. "That's it kiddies, drink up the kool aid, yes yes, you can trust me, I'd never lie to you!!". wow.

http://i.imgur.com/vBrGCC3.png

All cult leaders lie to their flock. It's in the rulebook.

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned. I'd like maintain there is fine difference between troll, and people who get into a collective deliberate offense gish gallop ("dogpile") and are then banned as a result.

I don't. I don't maintain any accounts there. I had a few as I was banned, but pretty much every time I've only gone there only with the intention of discussing what was being talked about, and was inevitably called all the usual stuff by Nerd of Redhead, I quickly got used to how abrasive they are. I popped an account there today as I was amazed at Myers not getting that video was a parody. So you go there deliberately to get into a "dogpile" (i.e. going there to stir shit up) and then you get banned ... shit, check you; Myers ego's been spreading! You got banned in the "right" way ;)

[Sulaco]

PZ Myers

This event has a clearly defined goal of producing a consensus statement on the rights of women, and I will set aside other issues for the purpose of seeing that done.

This is great news - nobody in Ireland has ever had the time or the "intellectual artillery" to address this complex and thorny subject. Team America: Gender Police to the rescue.

NOH MAH GAWD!

THAT is why we havent cured AIDS yet!

We keep doing this stupid 'research' shit, and 'educating people' garbage, when what we really needed was A CONSENSUS STATEMENT!

Well, you really need to have a sit down with HIV and tell it why AIDS is bad and to stop infecting people. Research just victim blames ya know.

[Altair]

Well, you really need to have a sit down with HIV and tell it why AIDS is bad and to stop infecting people. Research just victim blames ya know.

THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!
We need to stop researching how to cure AIDS, what we need to do is to tell viruses not to infect people! Fucking viral culture :snooty:

[sacha]

let me rephrase this- The SJWs want expect to have everything "right now".

I would like an end to FGM right now as well, but I know that is not going to happen no matter how much one stops their feet, shouts at the top of their lungs, and cries manipulative tears.

[Aneris]

The next endless thread should be called "Hats off to the Insane" in an ableist-free, FTB kind of sense...

[youtube]Jt92H7WZZXE[/youtube]

[Skep tickle]

let me rephrase this- The SJWs want expect to have everything "right now".

I would like an end to FGM right now as well, but I know that is not going to happen no matter how much one stops their feet, shouts at the top of their lungs, and cries manipulative tears.

sacha - excellent post above, both the parts about SJWs "right now" and about FGM now & footbinding in the past. :clap:

[Mykeru]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

[sacha]

I prefer a muscle relaxer to a sleeping pill, because it helps with the discomfort..

Have you ever thought about just using lube?

I don't know. I've seen a couple of the objects of Sacha's desire and they look like a muscle relaxant might be a necessity.

hahaha!


meh, I don't need any accoutrements, be it lube, drugs (of any kind), alcohol, toys, costumes... no cologne, perfume, or deodorant (anti-perspirant without scent is fine, otherwise it makes me nauseous), I don't need the location to be atmospheric, I don't need the lights out, I don't want food, toppings, or additional flavouring, I don't want words, I don't want romance, I don't even like foreplay (my kind of foreplay is psychological and happens long before any clothes come off)... forget all of that and just fuck me, baby

I've an ex-fiancee who just moved to S.F. who is not far from that. She likes sex because it's fun. She likes it how she likes it, when she likes it and with someone she finds attractive who's willing. She dislikes all the power games in front of it. Just get to the fucking already, and if you're boring, well, we're done, why are you still here. If you don't dig how she does things, that's cool, big world. Just don't be all moralistic about it.

Her current target is a (soon to be) ex-mormon who was a virgin until he got married. He just got divorced. She's pretty much going to break him.

sounds very similar, except I have no interest in men without a lot of experience, with a lot of different women (those who have more experience than me are unfortunately few and far between - my experience can be a curse). I've never wanted to teach, and breaking inexperienced men became boring many, many years ago, and so has putting notches in my belt. One man is really what suits me. I do know that most men like variety though, and how I accommodate for that is a story for another day. Let's just say what I don't know doesn't hurt me. Bringing home other women to play with is too easy and far too tiresome, and it was always the less experienced men who enjoyed it. I have found that men with significant experience are not interested in what others consider to be a fantasy come true. They have been there, I have been there, and we have moved on.

I wouldn't mind a friend or two with benefits, now that I am single, but for long term, I have blinders when I am with someone important. I don't have to try, I honestly don't notice other men, and I don't lose interest sexually with those who are on an equal or better playing field. That's a very good thing, because I would rather go without, than have boring sex, and that is my heavy cross to bear.

Just get to the fucking already, and if you're boring, well, we're done, why are you still here.

oh I have been there too many times to count, really unless I consider you important, fuck me and get the fuck out. Now, I go to them, that way I can just get up, get dressed, and leave whenever I want.

I used to say if he's not an old rock star, drug dealer, or 1%er biker, he probably does not have enough experience for me. That could be an exaggeration, except for the fact that the top three of all time are one of each.

I'm not quite as particular when it comes to someone who I don't plan on having a long term anything with, (except maybe friendship) however, I am very easily bored...

yeah, I know poor sacha

[justinvacula]

Thanks everyone for the continuing posting in the Slymepit and providing a great deal of laughter and exposure of #ftbullies nonsense and hypocrisy. WE LIVE!!!

I've been quite busy in recent days with real-world secular/atheist activism and work (I've even uninstalled WoW and haven't played in weeks). I've backed away from most of the ftb drama and haven't been directly or indirectly engaging as much. Lots has been going on...

I recently issued a debate challenge to theists which was published in a local newspaper...and hours after publish, a local pastor set a date for a debate which is scheduled to be recorded in his church and open to the public.
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... challenge/

I also attended a Harrisburg event commemorating (and including) Ellery Schempp and his court victory which was responsible for removing public school-sponsored Bible reading and prayer in American schools. I recorded Dr. Schempp's talk, opening comments leading up to it, and the Q&A session following.
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... and-video/

The "Nothing Fails Like Prayer" banner I hung on Public Square in Wilkes-Barre, PA -- thanks to support from the FFRF -- was extremely successful - giving huge exposure to the FFRF, inspiring discussion about religion, reaching out to freethinkers, and serving as a response to the National Day of Prayer and an event commemorating the National Day of Prayer on Public Square (which I also protested).
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... ews-recap/

I've also been working on other activism which has not et been announced. A huge story will soon break and I am planning for an unrelated significant protest later this year.

...and Dublin is about two weeks away!

Thanks everyone for the continuing support, helpful criticism, and promoting/donating to my fundraiser. I am heeding many of the helpful pointers here about flight, engagement (or lack thereof) with certain people in Dublin, and everything else. But, you know, I'm just a nobody who should be 'disqualified from activism.' I must say, it's quite hilarious to see the FTB narrative about how I don't contribute to activism/the secular community and just complain on blogs or whatever.

Will anyone be attending the Dublin conference or be in the area? If so, please PM so we can meet! Any other PMs are welcome if you have words of wisdom for the conference experience.

Off to bed...

[Karmakin]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

Yeah it doesn't matter what side of the whole Gender politics thing you come from, the whole thing is simply untenable and irrational.

See my post on the last page. Some of us have more gender bias than others. These movements often attract people who have more gender bias than most. (As an example, Zvan's gender bias is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS). Personally, I think this bias is a bad thing. I'd like to think that most reasonable people in this day and age agree (even if you think that it's something we can't entirely eliminate...I'm actually in agreement with that...it's just something we need to and generally do self-account for).

Just like the SJW movement is for man-haters, the MGTOW movement is for woman-haters. Both are terribly illogical.

[sacha]

yep. As explained to me by my dad, "being a man" was far more about ethics and morals.

Don't be a hypocrite.
If you make a promise, you keep that fucker.
Don't use words like "friend", "family" or especially "enemy" lightly
Do things the right way because that's how they should be done
Do the right thing because that's what should be done
Stand up for people who need it, support people who don't
Help the people you care about get on with life in the way that suits them, not you.

etc. It was never about beating people up. He found that to be stupid as fuck, and his advice for fights was "don't. Even if you win, you still get beat up." He viewed that kind of shit as literally a last resort for when you have no other choice. Name calling, pfft. Fuck that. Don't get your ass beat because someone called you, or me, or anyone a cocksucker.

I think it's amusing that Canucklehead has such a fucked-up definition of what "manly" is.

QFT

even my biker only fought as a very last resort... although when you are 6'9" (2.0574 metres) and have a body like Drago without working out, not many people want to fight you. I have some funny stories, like the time someone with road rage did the "mother fucking cocksucker, pull the fuck over, you fucking pussy" and so he did (I stayed in the car). When the road rage bloke got out of his car and walked towards our car, all my biker did was slowly open his door, and slowly stand up. I'm not sure I have ever seen anyone run so fast, leap into a car and speed off. It was fun.

I don't know how he treated other women, but he never lied to me, he kept his promises, lived by a code that I respect, and was always very good to me.

[clownshoe]

Yeah it doesn't matter what side of the whole Gender politics thing you come from, the whole thing is simply untenable and irrational.

Seems to be a great vehicle for self-promoters of all stripes.
Drama, drama, drama!
Good of the MRAs to self-destruct on their own.

[welch]

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned.

I have to agree with you. It's stupid and counterproductive.

i really don't quite get that. PeeZus don't want me on his blog, <shrug>, okey-dokey.

[welch]

Still, why does treestump needs to actually post there under "4 or 5 different accounts". You obviously go there to stir shit up, so it's no wonder that you got banned.

I have to agree with you. It's stupid and counterproductive.

"But ALL teh Pitterz does it!!!"

And agree - that's one dumb stump...

I haven't posted on Pharyngula since I found the original PToS on ERV. Since then I have made maybe five comments on any of the FtB blogs, and have long since stopped even that paltry amount of commenting.

We're better off sitting back and pointing out their hypocrisy and malevolence right from here. Creating a bunch of accounts just to irritate them plays into their narrative.

Yep.

[sacha]

Direct attack on TAM by Paul Myers:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... anization/

freeze page, anyone?

[AndrewV69]

Latest from Alley Fogg:

No comment from me because I did not have anything to add after going through the comments:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013 ... legations/

[sacha]

Well, I think I better get this framed ... After that fat idiot banned my ferbyd account, I then sent a note from ferbyd into his banspace (cos you just know he reads them, he's too nosey not to) and in there I told the flabby twit that I had 20 accounts on FTB and that I'll keep posting there under different names, and do you know what, that stupid fuck believed me ... In fact, I've only ever had about 4 or 5 different accounts (all banned by kindly old "I hardly ever ban anyone!" Myers ... and February 2012 !? I posted my first ever post there about 4 weeks ago, so I'm absolutely fascinated to know by what methods he workout these figures of "20 accounts", "February 2012", and "261 comments". What a joke he is. Look at him blatantly lying even to his own flock. "That's it kiddies, drink up the kool aid, yes yes, you trust me, I'd never lie to you!!". wow.

http://i.imgur.com/vBrGCC3.png

hahahaha!

[zenbabe]

The seminal work explaining how the fuck this came about, is noted misogynistic woman-hater Girl Writes What's video "Atheism, You Asked for It", which I should post periodically

[youtube]bUPxRYWpglQ[/youtube]

Hey. You should. And thanks for that, was epically fantastic and I'm a sudden fan.

[sacha]

let me rephrase this- The SJWs want expect to have everything "right now".

I would like an end to FGM right now as well, but I know that is not going to happen no matter how much one stops their feet, shouts at the top of their lungs, and cries manipulative tears.

sacha - excellent post above, both the parts about SJWs "right now" and about FGM now & footbinding in the past. :clap:

aww, thanks Dr. Tickle. every so often I have to comment on something besides sex

[Pitchguest]

Watch this video:

[youtube]rYFY3POHk2k[/youtube]

Skip to when the police officer arrives. (At about the 50-52 minute mark) Or if you have time, watch the whole thing. Anyway, the son doesn't want to go with his mother (the father has him for a few days, the rest of the time with his mother) because he says he and his mother are always fighting. His mother becomes exceedingly more angry as time goes by, so she calls the cops. When the police officer arrives, she says something along the lines of, "He [the father] hasn't been confrontational, but it's that, 'I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you' [he wasn't]" (Sound familiar?) The son's in tears, he begs the police officer not to force him out of the car and back to his mother, and eventually the officer says the son can go with his father if he wants to. Great moment.

At one point the mother says, "He's trying to steal my child" (referring to the father) Despicable behaviour. (No, not an MRA thing, just that this clearly shows a problem with custody rights. You can tell the mother's unhinged. To be fair, I don't know a lot about either [the father and the mother] to make a balanced judgment, but on a personal note, I know how it feels when you always fight [my father and mother always did, and my mother and I fight often too] and that takes its toll - so if his father's better in that respect, I think it would be wise to honour that.)

[Ape+lust]

http://i.imgur.com/2C5s06j.jpg

[sacha]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

Yeah it doesn't matter what side of the whole Gender politics thing you come from, the whole thing is simply untenable and irrational.

See my post on the last page. Some of us have more gender bias than others. These movements often attract people who have more gender bias than most. (As an example, Zvan's gender bias is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS). Personally, I think this bias is a bad thing. I'd like to think that most reasonable people in this day and age agree (even if you think that it's something we can't entirely eliminate...I'm actually in agreement with that...it's just something we need to and generally do self-account for).

Just like the SJW movement is for man-haters, the MGTOW movement is for woman-haters. Both are terribly illogical.

Most MGTOWs are also MRAs but a minority of MRAs are MGTOWs. I think it would be quite beneficial to the MRAs to have an online presence which makes that clear, and stays within the realm of men's rights and experiences without that end of the spectrum.

I think we would see more of that if the MRM was not so small and marginalised. catch 22, I suppose.

[sacha]

The seminal work explaining how the fuck this came about, is noted misogynistic woman-hater Girl Writes What's video "Atheism, You Asked for It", which I should post periodically

[youtube]bUPxRYWpglQ[/youtube]

Hey. You should. And thanks for that, was epically fantastic and I'm a sudden fan.

GWW is brilliant

[Matt Cavanaugh]

The SJWs want everything "right now", like a spoiled child who demands a new toy. They are children. Their thought processes and behaviour mirror disrespectful children who have always gotten whatever they want. It's obvious in everything they do, and their language and communication is a big part of that.... The people we are dealing with are not adults, and they should not be treated as such. One can't have a "dialogue" or come to a compromise with a repugnant, coddled child.
.

Bingo.

[Skep tickle]

ischemgeek's letter to CFI, posted at: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... =25#p84420; bolding added by me

Here's a letter that I've written to them.

Dear Mr. Flynn

I am not a member of CFI. However, the Women in Secularism conference interested me last year, and I was looking forward to seeing what would be offered this year. The content and quality this year would play a deciding role in whether I would start saving for a trip to it either next year or the year after. I am a graduate student, so money is tight for me, and I have to start planning and saving for such events years in advance. Last year, I enjoyed reading the transcripts of the talks and reading about the experiences of both attendees and speakers: It seemed like WIS was a conference intended to welcome women and to focus specifically on issues that affect us disproportionately. As literally no other skeptic conference focuses on gender issues extensively and most seem inclined to pretend that gender inequality doesn't exist in Western societies, I was pleased to see one fill that niche.

But, do you know what I heard about, to the near-exclusion of the content of the conference itself? Ron Lindsay's opening words. Mr. Lindsay insulted attendees by refusing to welcome them, and then proceeded to issue an official welcome to Justin Vacula, a man whose activities include harassing some of the speakers at CFI and working actively to oppose the cause of gender equality in the secular movement.

I'm not sure what message Mr. Lindsay thought he was sending. I won't speculate. I do know what message I received: Don't rock the boat, sweetie. Don't protest harassment, don't make waves, and above all, don't try to effect change. I neither know nor care whether that was his intention. I care about the effects of his words. And these effects were: to overshadow the content of the conference, to undermine the mission of the conference, to send a message that skepticism is and should remain an old boys' club, and to explicitly say that known harassers are more welcome than paying attendees who support the conference's mission.

As bad as his opening speech was, how Mr. Lindsay handled the ensuing backlash was worse: People could have perhaps forgiven him if he'd acknowledged that the message received from his speech was not the one he intended to broadcast. Instead, he blew off a function to compare a critical writer to the North Korean totalitarian regime. This was beyond unprofessional. That Mr. Lindsay eventually realized his mistake and remanded himself to your judgement does not at all lessen the impact of his actions. He stopped digging, yes. But he waited until he'd already struck bedrock to do so.

Adding to the scandal, WIS2 had poor accessibility for those with visual impairments and apathy on the part of staff to address the lack of accessibility. One man affected by the issue was so upset by his treatment, he dedicated a series of articles to it, the first of which is entitled The Invisible Blind Man.

Mr Hofstader had his rights violated when his ability to access the conference wasn't ensured and no attempt was made to adapt visual content of talks to his needs. Signage was not accessible, and his needs were addressed poorly when they weren't ignored outright. In addition, the conference culture was alienating to him when people addressed his service dog but ignored him. His treatment was so poor that less than a week after his article was published, another skeptic conference asked for advice on how to ensure optimal accessibility, implicitly holding WIS2 up as an example of what not to do.

As the accessibility problems are more systemic and less a case of an individual behaving badly, this issue will be the harder of the two to address: CFI must ensure that Mr Hofstader's experiences are not repeated at another conference by assembling a functional policy for accessibility and effect a cultural change of its conference by modifying the code of conduct to prohibit the inconsiderate and dehumanizing treatment he received.

These two scandals have had a profoundly negative effect on my view of CFI and, by extension, its conference. I am unlikely to devote the $2500 attending the conference would cost me to WIS in the near future as a result of them. Action must be taken to repair your reputation to those who supported WIS either in principle due to financial issues (such as myself) or with hard-earned money in a troubled economic time by paying the expenses for travel, accommodation, conference fees, food, and other expenses associated with attending such a conference (the attendees, who I would hope matter to you more than an interested bystander such as myself). Your choice of action on these issues will tell me where CFI stands on gender equality and accessibility. I urge you to choose wisely.

Regards,

[me]

I didn't want Mr. Hofstader to be an afterthought on it, so it got long. In retrospect, I should have probably split it into two independent letters. Oh well.

[Metalogic42]

I totally would, if video games weren't for children.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-quN4F4TYR54/U ... olence.jpg

For the kids!

[Mykeru]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

Yeah it doesn't matter what side of the whole Gender politics thing you come from, the whole thing is simply untenable and irrational.

See my post on the last page. Some of us have more gender bias than others. These movements often attract people who have more gender bias than most. (As an example, Zvan's gender bias is OFF THE FUCKING CHARTS). Personally, I think this bias is a bad thing. I'd like to think that most reasonable people in this day and age agree (even if you think that it's something we can't entirely eliminate...I'm actually in agreement with that...it's just something we need to and generally do self-account for).

Just like the SJW movement is for man-haters, the MGTOW movement is for woman-haters. Both are terribly illogical.

Most MGTOWs are also MRAs but a minority of MRAs are MGTOWs. I think it would be quite beneficial to the MRAs to have an online presence which makes that clear, and stays within the realm of men's rights and experiences without that end of the spectrum.

I think we would see more of that if the MRM was not so small and marginalised. catch 22, I suppose.

Problem is Paul Elam is a MGTOW and he caters to them. Full stop. No matter how good some of the people are at AVfM it is still Elam's Pharyngula.

[Metalogic42]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

From http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/busting-bills-balls/

All you are telling me is that you have commented twice and both times was to say that whatever was there should not be because you, in your great, just fucking flew in here wisdom, think something else should be there.

That about sum it up?

Oh, and my thoughts on it? Fuck you. This is not a jukebox. There are over 2,000 articles on this site covering a very diverse range of topics. If you don’t like one article, go find another. If you can’t find anything to your liking, then go somewhere else.

I have seen your kind before. All you know how to do is derail, the whole time playing a stupid sort of “gee, I am just making observations” bullshit facade. It won’t fly here.

Now, that is all I want to hear from you unless you actually have something to add to the discussion. And yes, I will ban you if you present one more pain in the ass post.

Now PISS OFF,

He really doesn't take criticism well. And look at the bold - he's taking a line right out of the A+ forums, almost verbatim.

[Pitchguest]

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[KiwiInOz]

ischemgeek's letter to CFI, posted at: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... =25#p84420; bolding added by me

Here's a letter that I've written to them.

Dear Mr. Flynn

I am not a member of CFI. However, the Women in Secularism conference interested me last year, and I was looking forward to seeing what would be offered this year. The content and quality this year would play a deciding role in whether I would start saving for a trip to it either next year or the year after. I am a graduate student, so money is tight for me, and I have to start planning and saving for such events years in advance. Last year, I enjoyed reading the transcripts of the talks and reading about the experiences of both attendees and speakers: It seemed like WIS was a conference intended to welcome women and to focus specifically on issues that affect us disproportionately. As literally no other skeptic conference focuses on gender issues extensively and most seem inclined to pretend that gender inequality doesn't exist in Western societies, I was pleased to see one fill that niche.

But, do you know what I heard about, to the near-exclusion of the content of the conference itself? Ron Lindsay's opening words. Mr. Lindsay insulted attendees by refusing to welcome them, and then proceeded to issue an official welcome to Justin Vacula, a man whose activities include harassing some of the speakers at CFI and working actively to oppose the cause of gender equality in the secular movement.

I'm not sure what message Mr. Lindsay thought he was sending. I won't speculate. I do know what message I received: Don't rock the boat, sweetie. Don't protest harassment, don't make waves, and above all, don't try to effect change. I neither know nor care whether that was his intention. I care about the effects of his words. And these effects were: to overshadow the content of the conference, to undermine the mission of the conference, to send a message that skepticism is and should remain an old boys' club, and to explicitly say that known harassers are more welcome than paying attendees who support the conference's mission.

As bad as his opening speech was, how Mr. Lindsay handled the ensuing backlash was worse: People could have perhaps forgiven him if he'd acknowledged that the message received from his speech was not the one he intended to broadcast. Instead, he blew off a function to compare a critical writer to the North Korean totalitarian regime. This was beyond unprofessional. That Mr. Lindsay eventually realized his mistake and remanded himself to your judgement does not at all lessen the impact of his actions. He stopped digging, yes. But he waited until he'd already struck bedrock to do so.

Adding to the scandal, WIS2 had poor accessibility for those with visual impairments and apathy on the part of staff to address the lack of accessibility. One man affected by the issue was so upset by his treatment, he dedicated a series of articles to it, the first of which is entitled The Invisible Blind Man.

Mr Hofstader had his rights violated when his ability to access the conference wasn't ensured and no attempt was made to adapt visual content of talks to his needs. Signage was not accessible, and his needs were addressed poorly when they weren't ignored outright. In addition, the conference culture was alienating to him when people addressed his service dog but ignored him. His treatment was so poor that less than a week after his article was published, another skeptic conference asked for advice on how to ensure optimal accessibility, implicitly holding WIS2 up as an example of what not to do.

As the accessibility problems are more systemic and less a case of an individual behaving badly, this issue will be the harder of the two to address: CFI must ensure that Mr Hofstader's experiences are not repeated at another conference by assembling a functional policy for accessibility and effect a cultural change of its conference by modifying the code of conduct to prohibit the inconsiderate and dehumanizing treatment he received.

These two scandals have had a profoundly negative effect on my view of CFI and, by extension, its conference. I am unlikely to devote the $2500 attending the conference would cost me to WIS in the near future as a result of them. Action must be taken to repair your reputation to those who supported WIS either in principle due to financial issues (such as myself) or with hard-earned money in a troubled economic time by paying the expenses for travel, accommodation, conference fees, food, and other expenses associated with attending such a conference (the attendees, who I would hope matter to you more than an interested bystander such as myself). Your choice of action on these issues will tell me where CFI stands on gender equality and accessibility. I urge you to choose wisely.

Regards,

[me]

I didn't want Mr. Hofstader to be an afterthought on it, so it got long. In retrospect, I should have probably split it into two independent letters. Oh well.

As a student she should have learnt to go to primary sources rather than biased secondary sources (from which she appears to have recited by rote). What are they teaching the kids these days? :think:

[KiwiInOz]

Most MGTOWs are also MRAs but a minority of MRAs are MGTOWs. I think it would be quite beneficial to the MRAs to have an online presence which makes that clear, and stays within the realm of men's rights and experiences without that end of the spectrum.

I think we would see more of that if the MRM was not so small and marginalised. catch 22, I suppose.

Problem is Paul Elam is a MGTOW and he caters to them. Full stop. No matter how good some of the people are at AVfM it is still Elam's Pharyngula.[/quote]

I had to Google what a MGTOW was. I have learnt that you need to remove the prop shaft before towing your MG any distance.

[Pitchguest]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

From http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/busting-bills-balls/

All you are telling me is that you have commented twice and both times was to say that whatever was there should not be because you, in your great, just fucking flew in here wisdom, think something else should be there.

That about sum it up?

Oh, and my thoughts on it? Fuck you. This is not a jukebox. There are over 2,000 articles on this site covering a very diverse range of topics. If you don’t like one article, go find another. If you can’t find anything to your liking, then go somewhere else.

I have seen your kind before. All you know how to do is derail, the whole time playing a stupid sort of “gee, I am just making observations” bullshit facade. It won’t fly here.

Now, that is all I want to hear from you unless you actually have something to add to the discussion. And yes, I will ban you if you present one more pain in the ass post.

Now PISS OFF,

He really doesn't take criticism well. And look at the bold - he's taking a line right out of the A+ forums, almost verbatim.

Haha, I guess he was just "JAQing off", eh, Paul? Idiot.

[rayshul]

of course making the practice illegal will only have a small impact on few, and hospitals will see more girls in trauma and police will see more girls dead from home "surgery" performed by someone with rudimentary knowledge of medical practices using unsterilised, crude equipment.

This is at the top of the list of the so many things that infuriate me about the SJWs. They go about attempting to stop FGM in the worst way possible. Attacking and shaming their cultural belief that they are doing the right thing, and acting as though they are inherently better people who are there to teach the "primitive" women. These women love their daughters, and honestly believe they are doing what is best for them.

Don't often disagree with sacha, but I'm a Napier girl myself. I'd apply the same rationale to this as to sati...

"This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."

This shit is primitive. Colonise and jail 'em. ^_^ An approach I think should be applied to a lot of fucking stuff TBH. Which disease is it that we still have because people rejected vaccines for religious/Islamic-related reasons in southern Africa? Polio? Fuck them, same principle.

[rayshul]

I totally would, if video games weren't for children.

Heavy Rain wants a word.

Complex, adult, videogame story can be summed up in 3 paragraphs.

Like most books.

[sacha]

I had to Google what a MGTOW was. I have learnt that you need to remove the prop shaft before towing your MG any distance.

hahahaha!


this is my favourite era for cars:

1962 MG (not my colour)
http://www.sportscarshop.com/wordpress/ ... raight.jpg


1968 Karmann Ghia
http://vwghia.com/wp-content/gallery/gh ... odadgo.jpg
(I'd take one in this colour)


and the best looking car ever made (IMO) The Porsche 356:

I LOVE THIS CAR

1962
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... che_90.jpg
this one matches my eyes

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

@Phil,

I am curious about why you (and others) bother responding to Morales?

I was most probably drunk, or at least hungover. By the timestamps, I'd say the latter.

[sacha]

of course making the practice illegal will only have a small impact on few, and hospitals will see more girls in trauma and police will see more girls dead from home "surgery" performed by someone with rudimentary knowledge of medical practices using unsterilised, crude equipment.

This is at the top of the list of the so many things that infuriate me about the SJWs. They go about attempting to stop FGM in the worst way possible. Attacking and shaming their cultural belief that they are doing the right thing, and acting as though they are inherently better people who are there to teach the "primitive" women. These women love their daughters, and honestly believe they are doing what is best for them.

Don't often disagree with sacha, but I'm a Napier girl myself. I'd apply the same rationale to this as to sati...

"This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."

This shit is primitive. Colonise and jail 'em. ^_^ An approach I think should be applied to a lot of fucking stuff TBH. Which disease is it that we still have because people rejected vaccines for religious/Islamic-related reasons in southern Africa? Polio? Fuck them, same principle.

of course it's primitive, and horrific, but there is a difference between your examples and FGM. Sati cannot be done behind closed doors in secret, and although one can certainly be vaccinated in secret, there really isn't a way to not vaccinate in secret.

If FGM was something that could not be hidden, it would be easy to eradicate quite quickly, and yes, I would agree, fuck them, stop the FGM first, and educate and empower later.

[Gefan]

What an amazing (and potentially illegally recorded) conversation:

The dogpiling and dishonesty and double standards is appalling, wherein MGTOWs get excused for "bleeding" because women "put a knife in their back", yet when Kristina pushes back against MGTOWs blaming women for their troubles, she's got a chip on her shoulder.

This is why skepticism and this gender politics horseshit will never mix. And Elam has officially torpedoed the alliance because what he forgets is that people like Kristina (and me) came from the atheist and skeptical community. And he's thrown all that under the bus to protect the feefees of butthurt MGTOWS.

Fucking idiot.

And that would be why I won't align with the MRM.
I watched the version that was up on Youtube a few days back. After the first five riveting minutes of everybody figuring out their e-mail (the dramatic tension of that was extraordinary) it was a fairly reasonable conversation, and then Elam just flipped.
He went into such a parody of the SJW "my feefees are the only reality" mode I was left wondering if it was actually satire.
Yeah, these guys are hurt. Now, where do we go from there? Can we have a discussion about that?

No.
Apparently, not. Especially if you don't have the right chromosomes.

I will repeat something I wrote a LONG time back: once you subscribe to an ideology, eventually you wind up acting ridiculous trying to defend the indefensible because "our side did it".

Usually I don't find much moral equivalency between RedFems and the MRAs but here there is the exact same censoriousness and irrationality.

Elam's lost the fucking plot completely and JTO should go off in search of his balls after being a party to that debacle.

I think Kristina has shown up here on occasion. If she ever reads this - please, jump back in and enjoy the Slyme.

[deLurch]

I will repeat something I wrote a LONG time back: once you subscribe to an ideology, eventually you wind up acting ridiculous trying to defend the indefensible because "our side did it".

That is an interesting ideology you have there.

[Gefan]

I will repeat something I wrote a LONG time back: once you subscribe to an ideology, eventually you wind up acting ridiculous trying to defend the indefensible because "our side did it".

That is an interesting ideology you have there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

[deLurch]

I will repeat something I wrote a LONG time back: once you subscribe to an ideology, eventually you wind up acting ridiculous trying to defend the indefensible because "our side did it".

That is an interesting ideology you have there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

There you go ruining all of my fun with definitions. Where is Phil Myers when you need him?