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http://skepticon.org/more-speaker-names ... -revealed/
So if PZ has officially divorced himself from the skeptic movement, and thinks being referred to as a skeptic is a gross insult, is it right he should be a speaker at Skepticon?
So if PZ has officially divorced himself from the skeptic movement, and thinks being referred to as a skeptic is a gross insult, is it right he should be a speaker at Skepticon?
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CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
And he/she says this in a response to another in the comment section:
When are these people going to stop being such dishonest snakes? And Miri may be young (younger than myself, even), but she can go fuck herself. She should be intelligent enough to know better. Christ.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
And he/she says this in a response to another in the comment section:
Yeah, that's what he was doing. Appeal to authority.CaitieCat wrote:Actually, no. He claimed that their approach – saying racism as a societal process, and thus, worth studying and for activists dismantling, involves a power dimension – wasn’t in the dictionary, and his version was, yah-boo sucks to you silly sociologists for thinking you can define things in useful ways that go against my Holy Dictionary.Guest355 wrote:But being an expert on racism doesn’t make you an expert on the widely understood meaning of the word “racism.†The latter is a linguistic question, not a sociological question.
Dawkins didn’t claim that the word racism had no meanings other than the ones in the dictionary. He simply claimed that his meaning was one of the meanings of the word “racism†and supported his contention by citing a dictionary.
Textbook (excuse the pun) version of appeal to authority.
His claiming not to understand the difference is just the disingenuous shit icing on the ordure torte, and is meant for nothing more than empty taunting. It doesn’t deserve respect.
Or maybe not.Richard Dawkins, in the above tweet wrote:When I said "Some people think you can't be racist against whites", I of course meant "Some people think racism is DEFINED to preclude it."
When are these people going to stop being such dishonest snakes? And Miri may be young (younger than myself, even), but she can go fuck herself. She should be intelligent enough to know better. Christ.
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In the latest Skepchick quickies, a previously-unknown-to-me skepchick Mary posts a link to "Six Fairy Tales for the Modern Woman" which includes the following:
That sounds very close to a situation we all know, doesn't it? The sequel to the tale probably involves someone making a video saying "Guys don't do that" and then the creation of DarkAlleyGate ;)III.
Once upon a time a woman was approached by a drunk guy in a dark alley, but he was very polite, and explained that he had driven to the bar, but because he was responsible, he didn't want to drive home, but his cell phone was dead, so he asked the lady to call him a cab. She did, and he was grateful, and they said pleasant goodbyes before going their separate ways.
The End.
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Jesus fucking Christ! What's this world coming to? Can't a person be a walking contradiction anymore?jjbinx007 wrote:http://skepticon.org/more-speaker-names ... -revealed/
So if PZ has officially divorced himself from the skeptic movement, and thinks being referred to as a skeptic is a gross insult, is it right he should be a speaker at Skepticon?
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I would post the "dictionaries....How do they work? " image again but, at this rate, the pixels will melt off it from overuse.Pitchguest wrote:CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
And he/she says this in a response to another in the comment section:
Yeah, that's what he was doing. Appeal to authority.CaitieCat wrote:Actually, no. He claimed that their approach – saying racism as a societal process, and thus, worth studying and for activists dismantling, involves a power dimension – wasn’t in the dictionary, and his version was, yah-boo sucks to you silly sociologists for thinking you can define things in useful ways that go against my Holy Dictionary.Guest355 wrote:But being an expert on racism doesn’t make you an expert on the widely understood meaning of the word “racism.†The latter is a linguistic question, not a sociological question.
Dawkins didn’t claim that the word racism had no meanings other than the ones in the dictionary. He simply claimed that his meaning was one of the meanings of the word “racism†and supported his contention by citing a dictionary.
Textbook (excuse the pun) version of appeal to authority.
His claiming not to understand the difference is just the disingenuous shit icing on the ordure torte, and is meant for nothing more than empty taunting. It doesn’t deserve respect.
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At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)Pitchguest wrote:CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
It sounds impossible to be a translator/editor without having a certain baseline or model of what words mean. If using a dictionary definition is an appeal to authority, we should be able to translate a word to any other word we wanted and no one could tell us we're wrong, becauseCaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
:roll:CaitieCat wrote: (...)language is what the people who speak it want it to be
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I just don't get all the dictionary hate from FTB's.
It's almost like they are trying to change the meaning of words to win petty online arguments ......
It's almost like they are trying to change the meaning of words to win petty online arguments ......
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Using a dictionary to inform a person of a word's meaning isn't an appeal to authority. It's an appeal to reality.
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Skepticon having Peezus speak is the logical conclusion ofkatamari Damassi wrote:Didn't Peezus publicly divorce himself from skepticism? Why is he speaking at Skepticon?Dick Strawkins wrote:Skepticon is notorious for recycling the same speakers every single year, with a small amount of variation.BarnOwl wrote:Speaker names are not the only things being dribbled. MOAR CONS! MOAR CONS that will invite me and my friends as speakers!Skepticon is such a tease
Conferences by PZ Myers
Skepticon likes to tantalize you, dribbling out speaker names a few at a time. Last week they told us that Aron Ra, Amanda Knief (who has a new book out, with Barry Lynn: The Citizen Lobbyist), and Amanda Marcotte will be there — we’re off to a great start! This week, it’s Debbie Goddard! Rebecca Hensler! Richard Carrier! And…me. It’s OK, you gotta sprinkle in some boring old drones to make the highlights sparkle more.
As I mentioned yesterday, Skepticon is the high energy fun con of the year. You should go. You should especially go if you want to learn how to put together a well-managed, exciting con on a budget — I’d like to see more of these things spring up all over the country.
Also, high energy? He must have a different definition.
I think PeeZus and Carrier have been at every one and Watson has been at all apart from the first.
It is their private club party.
http://skepticon.org/speakers/
1. The continued atheist/skeptic conflation
2. The same old incestuous cluster fuck of speakers that get invited as a knee-jerk reaction.
3. The fact that words have absolutely no meaning and no one gives fuck all about what these clown actually say.
Now that I've really pissed of Elam and am in a running snark-fest with the butthurt MGTOW, I can say across the board:
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Except for "cunt", "twat", etc. which are always what the FTB crowd "want it to be" - a horrible attack against ALL women.CaitieCat wrote: (...)language is what the people who speak it want it to be
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They all want to live in their own Humpty-Dumpty World.Tony Parsehole wrote:I just don't get all the dictionary hate from FTB's.
It's almost like they are trying to change the meaning of words to win petty online arguments ......
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DPazuVksQ3E/T ... dumpty.jpg
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It's a kind of bizarre inversion of Orwell's Newspeak, where instead of stripping such words of other characteristics and nuances, the SJW crowd actually add or amplify charateristics and nuances in order to add expressions which the words themselves would not normally convey.Tony Parsehole wrote:I just don't get all the dictionary hate from FTB's.
It's almost like they are trying to change the meaning of words to win petty online arguments ......
In Orwell's world, such attempts at modifying language were done on order to make oppositional thought impossibe. With the SJW crowd, it's done so that a perceived enemy can be quickly and conveniently exposed. That said enemy may actually be in agreement with them doesn't matter; the SJW always wants to display its superior awareness of the foibles of others, usually at the expense of someone who is usually more ignorant of the language the SJW uses, rather then the issue itself.
A case in point: the recent link to A+, where the newbie was taken to task for using the word 'sane'. In SJW-speak, 'sane' has the additional connotation of being as much a trustworthy indicator of ableism as 'nigger' is to racism. In SJW-speak, 'sane' is a derogatory word.
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Greta Christina, taking a break from her rape-fantasies, has (in my opinion) a misguided article about what questions you SHOULDN'T ask an atheist.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... h-answers/
And it just screams victim mentality. In my humble view, people can ask whatever they want of me. That is, if I'm in the right venue and in the right place (obviously I might not want people coming up to me asking questions in the supermarket), say a skeptic conference/convention or if I just wanted to debate, then I wouldn't preface the conversation with "these are so-and-so questions you SHOULDN'T ask" (even if it would be a relief if they didn't). Because then you've essentially shut down the conversation completely. I do realise, however, that the questions she does raise could be annoying, tedious or even insulting, but I would never say "don't ask" because not to put too pretty a point on it, that's what I'm there for. And in return, I can offer some zingers in kind.
You don't change many minds or point them to a different perspective by starting out dismissing their arguments first thing. At least, that's my take on it. YMMV.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... h-answers/
And it just screams victim mentality. In my humble view, people can ask whatever they want of me. That is, if I'm in the right venue and in the right place (obviously I might not want people coming up to me asking questions in the supermarket), say a skeptic conference/convention or if I just wanted to debate, then I wouldn't preface the conversation with "these are so-and-so questions you SHOULDN'T ask" (even if it would be a relief if they didn't). Because then you've essentially shut down the conversation completely. I do realise, however, that the questions she does raise could be annoying, tedious or even insulting, but I would never say "don't ask" because not to put too pretty a point on it, that's what I'm there for. And in return, I can offer some zingers in kind.
You don't change many minds or point them to a different perspective by starting out dismissing their arguments first thing. At least, that's my take on it. YMMV.
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And I've gone and underlined the bit that annoys me the most.Altair wrote: ....At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)
CaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
I have enjoyed the company of some women who could have been actual models for Reubens and found them to be genuinely gorgeous. What pisses me off is the appropriation of the term "Rubenesque" by a certain group that apparently wants us to believe Reubens went through a little-known "Cetacean Period" in his work.
I don't know for a fact that this is a case of that wretched syndrome but I'd be willing to put money on it.
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A trans bi dyke. So wait, she (or he?) is bi-sexual but also a "dyke" which is slang for lesbian?
Also, so sorry, but trans bi dyke sounds like some kind of tandem bike.
Also, so sorry, but trans bi dyke sounds like some kind of tandem bike.
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Futher to last post:
'Course, the end result of this is, in effect, to make expressions of oppositional thought impossible amongst the SJW crowd. Once a person has been conveniently exposed as a this-or-that-ist, then their arguments are no longer worth arguing with, and the opponent can be dismissed. The decrees of the group remain inviolate; as the the only people who would violate it are clearly ableist/racist/sexist etc. - as evidenced by the language they used.
'Course, the end result of this is, in effect, to make expressions of oppositional thought impossible amongst the SJW crowd. Once a person has been conveniently exposed as a this-or-that-ist, then their arguments are no longer worth arguing with, and the opponent can be dismissed. The decrees of the group remain inviolate; as the the only people who would violate it are clearly ableist/racist/sexist etc. - as evidenced by the language they used.
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Yeah, I don't get that either. I'm perfectly fine with earnest questions about my atheism, race, whatever. I do hate when Christians already have their answer to what they're asking and just ignore mine, but I want people to ask a question if they don't understand something.Pitchguest wrote:Greta Christina, taking a break from her rape-fantasies, has (in my opinion) a misguided article about what questions you SHOULDN'T ask an atheist.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... h-answers/
And it just screams victim mentality. In my humble view, people can ask whatever they want of me. That is, if I'm in the right venue and in the right place (obviously I might not want people coming up to me asking questions in the supermarket), say a skeptic conference/convention or if I just wanted to debate, then I wouldn't preface the conversation with "these are so-and-so questions you SHOULDN'T ask" (even if it would be a relief if they didn't). Because then you've essentially shut down the conversation completely. I do realise, however, that the questions she does raise could be annoying, tedious or even insulting, but I would never say "don't ask" because not to put too pretty a point on it, that's what I'm there for. And in return, I can offer some zingers in kind.
You don't change many minds or point them to a different perspective by starting out dismissing their arguments first thing. At least, that's my take on it. YMMV.
Maybe she should have posted those answers to a site where people other than atheists will frequent?
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Indeed. Posting it on her own blog is just preaching to the choir.Kareem wrote:Yeah, I don't get that either. I'm perfectly fine with earnest questions about my atheism, race, whatever. I do hate when Christians already have their answer to what they're asking and just ignore mine, but I want people to ask a question if they don't understand something.Pitchguest wrote:Greta Christina, taking a break from her rape-fantasies, has (in my opinion) a misguided article about what questions you SHOULDN'T ask an atheist.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... h-answers/
And it just screams victim mentality. In my humble view, people can ask whatever they want of me. That is, if I'm in the right venue and in the right place (obviously I might not want people coming up to me asking questions in the supermarket), say a skeptic conference/convention or if I just wanted to debate, then I wouldn't preface the conversation with "these are so-and-so questions you SHOULDN'T ask" (even if it would be a relief if they didn't). Because then you've essentially shut down the conversation completely. I do realise, however, that the questions she does raise could be annoying, tedious or even insulting, but I would never say "don't ask" because not to put too pretty a point on it, that's what I'm there for. And in return, I can offer some zingers in kind.
You don't change many minds or point them to a different perspective by starting out dismissing their arguments first thing. At least, that's my take on it. YMMV.
Maybe she should have posted those answers to a site where people other than atheists will frequent?
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To illustrate my last post:
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One of these things is not like the others... :dance:
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One of these things is not like the others... :dance:
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That last quote is actually true, but not in the way she wants it to be. Language is what the people as a whole who speak it want it to be. This doesn't mean that an individual can start redefining words or making up new ones out of their ass.Altair wrote:At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)Pitchguest wrote:CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
It sounds impossible to be a translator/editor without having a certain baseline or model of what words mean. If using a dictionary definition is an appeal to authority, we should be able to translate a word to any other word we wanted and no one could tell us we're wrong, becauseCaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
:roll:CaitieCat wrote: (...)language is what the people who speak it want it to be
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Fucking noodles EVERYWHERE...Gefan wrote:And I've gone and underlined the bit that annoys me the most.Altair wrote: ....At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)
CaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
I have enjoyed the company of some women who could have been actual models for Reubens and found them to be genuinely gorgeous. What pisses me off is the appropriation of the term "Rubenesque" by a certain group that apparently wants us to believe Reubens went through a little-known "Cetacean Period" in his work.
I don't know for a fact that this is a case of that wretched syndrome but I'd be willing to put money on it.
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My letter to CFI Board, just sent via email:
Shoulda used a thesaurus, used "discuss" and "discussion" repeatedly near the end there. Oh well. *shrug*Tom Flynn
Corporate Secretary
Center for Inquiry (CFI)
Dear Mr. Flynn and the Board of Directors of CFI:
Please consider this missive as conveying strong support for Ronald Lindsay as the CEO of CFI.
I donated to, and joined, CFI on May 18, 2013, in direct response to Ronald Lindsay's widely-reported comments at the opening of the Women in Secularism 2 Conference. I have registered for the CFI Summit to be held in October 2013 in Tacoma WA and greatly look forward to attending. (I used a different email, <my other email>, for those transactions.) I plan to continue my membership in, and to some extent involvement in, CFI - if your organization holds to its mission statement (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/about).
I am a lifelong skeptic (and atheist) who only became involved in organizations around 2008 but feels strongly about the importance of robust organizations working at the local and national level to nourish skepticism and critical thinking as well as secularism, secular humanism, and acceptance of atheism. To that end, I'm a lifetime member of Seattle Atheists and FFRF, and am a member of the Skeptics Society, Seattle Skeptics, and the Secular Coalition for America. I'm a sustaining donor to the Foundation Beyond Belief and have in the past donated significantly to the American Humanist Association. I've been a member, then moderator, then administrator at <my fav'rite skeptics board> for 4 years.
I'm also a woman who had the benefit of a strong scientific education and who now works as a physician in internal medicine and women's heath - and one who has been publicly branded a villain by at least 3 of the prominent bloggers at Freethought Blogs (http://freethoughtblogs.com/) and had my name and character dragged through the mud by 2 of them and their followers, for trying to ask questions about their claims and their methods. (I admit that, like Ronald Lindsay, I at times used a tone in my communication that they did not find sufficiently deferential, and that my tone may have descended at times to the level of "snark" due simply to my frustration in trying to have a reasonable interaction with them and their followers.)
It troubles me greatly to see any restrictive ideology try to take over any aspect of the skeptical movement and dogmatically claim that it is exempt from the very tenets of skepticism. CFI's mission statement leads me to suspect that you, the guiding oversight of CFI, are likely to agree. (I excerpted a few phrases from the CFI mission statement for a custom T-shirt I provided for Justin Vacula to wear on one of the days he attended the Women in Secularism 2 conference: "No topic should be placed off limits to scrutiny..." and "...values are properly the subject of...discussion".)
Sexism, racism, and other divisive -isms are excellent topics for open inquiry and discussion. Whether or not Ronald Lindsay might have phrased anything in a more politic manner, his message (including the importance of not silencing some voices in such discussions) - and CFI's mission - will never be acceptable to a certain faction seeking control over the discussion by requiring certain topics be discussed and others avoided, and by insisting that the discussion occur according to their liking or it must be shut down.
If Ronald Lindsay does not continue on as CEO of CFI, I fear this group and their adherents would undoubtedly interpret that move as a political success and would increase their efforts to influence the leadership of national organizations through methods such as vilification leading to job loss.
Thank you for your work maintaining the integrity and mission of CFI.
Sincerely,
<my name>
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The horror! :oAnonymousCowherd wrote:Oh yeah.BarnOwl wrote:::Pancreas ... ruptured ... laughing::Ape+lust wrote:http://i.imgur.com/EzI4hwD.jpg
But it was worth it. :lol:
Well, sort of. I have some regrets about the Islay malt hitting the light above the dining table.
Never waste a good Islay single malt! What distillery, BTW?
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:clap:Skep tickle wrote:My letter to CFI Board, just sent via email:Shoulda used a thesaurus, used "discuss" and "discussion" repeatedly near the end there. Oh well. *shrug*Tom Flynn
Corporate Secretary
Center for Inquiry (CFI)
Dear Mr. Flynn and the Board of Directors of CFI:
Please consider this missive as conveying strong support for Ronald Lindsay as the CEO of CFI.
I donated to, and joined, CFI on May 18, 2013, in direct response to Ronald Lindsay's widely-reported comments at the opening of the Women in Secularism 2 Conference. I have registered for the CFI Summit to be held in October 2013 in Tacoma WA and greatly look forward to attending. (I used a different email, <my other email>, for those transactions.) I plan to continue my membership in, and to some extent involvement in, CFI - if your organization holds to its mission statement (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/about).
I am a lifelong skeptic (and atheist) who only became involved in organizations around 2008 but feels strongly about the importance of robust organizations working at the local and national level to nourish skepticism and critical thinking as well as secularism, secular humanism, and acceptance of atheism. To that end, I'm a lifetime member of Seattle Atheists and FFRF, and am a member of the Skeptics Society, Seattle Skeptics, and the Secular Coalition for America. I'm a sustaining donor to the Foundation Beyond Belief and have in the past donated significantly to the American Humanist Association. I've been a member, then moderator, then administrator at <my fav'rite skeptics board> for 4 years.
I'm also a woman who had the benefit of a strong scientific education and who now works as a physician in internal medicine and women's heath - and one who has been publicly branded a villain by at least 3 of the prominent bloggers at Freethought Blogs (http://freethoughtblogs.com/) and had my name and character dragged through the mud by 2 of them and their followers, for trying to ask questions about their claims and their methods. (I admit that, like Ronald Lindsay, I at times used a tone in my communication that they did not find sufficiently deferential, and that my tone may have descended at times to the level of "snark" due simply to my frustration in trying to have a reasonable interaction with them and their followers.)
It troubles me greatly to see any restrictive ideology try to take over any aspect of the skeptical movement and dogmatically claim that it is exempt from the very tenets of skepticism. CFI's mission statement leads me to suspect that you, the guiding oversight of CFI, are likely to agree. (I excerpted a few phrases from the CFI mission statement for a custom T-shirt I provided for Justin Vacula to wear on one of the days he attended the Women in Secularism 2 conference: "No topic should be placed off limits to scrutiny..." and "...values are properly the subject of...discussion".)
Sexism, racism, and other divisive -isms are excellent topics for open inquiry and discussion. Whether or not Ronald Lindsay might have phrased anything in a more politic manner, his message (including the importance of not silencing some voices in such discussions) - and CFI's mission - will never be acceptable to a certain faction seeking control over the discussion by requiring certain topics be discussed and others avoided, and by insisting that the discussion occur according to their liking or it must be shut down.
If Ronald Lindsay does not continue on as CEO of CFI, I fear this group and their adherents would undoubtedly interpret that move as a political success and would increase their efforts to influence the leadership of national organizations through methods such as vilification leading to job loss.
Thank you for your work maintaining the integrity and mission of CFI.
Sincerely,
<my name>
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Skep: You know, any time you run to a thesaurus to get a different word for an argument, you might as well as admit...you've lost.
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Yes he does, on Mellissa McEwans blog he was deeply grovelling. It was great entertainment and I got quite a few laughs out of it. Adam Lee too. Of course they took that opportunity to make a fool of them before banning.Tony Parsehole wrote:@Tigzy
Yeah. He seems to change his personality and vocabulary depending on the forum/blog so I was just wondering how far he may have taken it.
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And we all know what happened to Humpty-Dumpty in the end.Lsuoma wrote:They all want to live in their own Humpty-Dumpty World.Tony Parsehole wrote:I just don't get all the dictionary hate from FTB's.
It's almost like they are trying to change the meaning of words to win petty online arguments ......
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High energy = soporificTony Parsehole wrote:http://weknowmemes.com/generator/upload ... 338204.jpgjjbinx007 wrote:I don't think the word "unmoderated" means what he thinks it means.treestump wrote: One overarching rule though: never, EVER, post a link to the Slymepit, that will get you a ban.
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This is Thunderdome, the unmoderated open thread on Pharyngula. Say what you want, how you want.
Status: UNMODERATED; Previous thread
Unmoderated= Moderated
Atheism= Social justice
Feminism= Humanism
Disagreement=Harassment
Happy= Very angry
Anybody care to add to the list of Myerisms?
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I pulled out the privilege cannon, but organizations like this need paying supporters and should stick to their principles (e.g. mission statement etc).Metalogic42 wrote::clap:Skep tickle wrote:My letter to CFI Board, just sent via email:
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AFTER that they can decide what issues to tackle, which groups and causes to particularly support & promote, etc.
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Yes, he spent the rest of his life wondering why people believed he was an egg when the poem makes no mention of it at all.Eskarina wrote:
And we all know what happened to Humpty-Dumpty in the end.
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[youtube]-sAxrWl5DGU[/youtube]justinvacula wrote: Thanks everyone for the continuing support, helpful criticism, and promoting/donating to my fundraiser. I am heeding many of the helpful pointers here about flight...
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So, the yokes on him, eh?Tony Parsehole wrote:Yes, he spent the rest of his life wondering why people believed he was an egg when the poem makes no mention of it at all.Eskarina wrote:
And we all know what happened to Humpty-Dumpty in the end.
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[youtube]a5QBuJla5do[/youtube]bhoytony wrote:[youtube]-sAxrWl5DGU[/youtube]justinvacula wrote: Thanks everyone for the continuing support, helpful criticism, and promoting/donating to my fundraiser. I am heeding many of the helpful pointers here about flight...
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Damn straight, I should just use whatever word I want to mean whatever I want then berate anyone who doesn't understand.Pitchguest wrote:Skep: You know, any time you run to a thesaurus to get a different word for an argument, you might as well as admit...you've lost.
:shock: :lol:
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Justin,
In all seriousness. Enjoy your flight, stash all the free peanuts you can and, most importantly, once you get through the most dangerous part of the flight, the takeoff, it's smooth sailing from there.
[youtube]ivJ9sEu8-iM[/youtube]
Also, stick the landing.
[youtube]s4DSNILMEqI[/youtube]
In all seriousness. Enjoy your flight, stash all the free peanuts you can and, most importantly, once you get through the most dangerous part of the flight, the takeoff, it's smooth sailing from there.
[youtube]ivJ9sEu8-iM[/youtube]
Also, stick the landing.
[youtube]s4DSNILMEqI[/youtube]
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I'm familiar with CatieCat from when she was a frequent guest at Shakesville and I'd take what she says with a huge grain of salt. She's batshit. I haven't seen her there in a while. I wonder what happened?Altair wrote:At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)Pitchguest wrote:CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
It sounds impossible to be a translator/editor without having a certain baseline or model of what words mean. If using a dictionary definition is an appeal to authority, we should be able to translate a word to any other word we wanted and no one could tell us we're wrong, becauseCaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
:roll:CaitieCat wrote: (...)language is what the people who speak it want it to be
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On the subject of Miri's guest post about dictionaries not being the sources of word definitions, she's going to be revising these posts found on her old blog any minute now, right?
right?
http://boards.buffalobills.com/images/s ... leweed.gif
http://brutereason.net/category/religionatheism/
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7852/post2i.png
http://brutereason.net/2012/10/14/on-me ... e-awesome/
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4048/post1c.png
right?
http://boards.buffalobills.com/images/s ... leweed.gif
http://brutereason.net/category/religionatheism/
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7852/post2i.png
http://brutereason.net/2012/10/14/on-me ... e-awesome/
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Excellent letter. Nice to see one like this from a woman with your impressive credentials - it should carry far more weight than the one little ol' me sent in. :clap:Skep tickle wrote:My letter to CFI Board, just sent via email:Shoulda used a thesaurus, used "discuss" and "discussion" repeatedly near the end there. Oh well. *shrug*Tom Flynn
Corporate Secretary
Center for Inquiry (CFI)
Dear Mr. Flynn and the Board of Directors of CFI:
Please consider this missive as conveying strong support for Ronald Lindsay as the CEO of CFI.
<snip>
If Ronald Lindsay does not continue on as CEO of CFI, I fear this group and their adherents would undoubtedly interpret that move as a political success and would increase their efforts to influence the leadership of national organizations through methods such as vilification leading to job loss.
Thank you for your work maintaining the integrity and mission of CFI.
Sincerely,
<my name>
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Meh, mangled the first link in the previous post, it should have been
http://brutereason.net/2012/10/24/if-yo ... a-new-god/
http://brutereason.net/2012/10/24/if-yo ... a-new-god/
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As long as you have a good pilot you should be fine.Mykeru wrote:Justin,
In all seriousness. Enjoy your flight, stash all the free peanuts you can and, most importantly, once you get through the most dangerous part of the flight, the takeoff, it's smooth sailing from there.
[youtube]ivJ9sEu8-iM[/youtube]
Also, stick the landing.
[youtube]s4DSNILMEqI[/youtube]
This is my vote for Captain on Peezus, Becky, and Ophie's flight:
http://simviation.com//yabbuploads/quagmire.jpg
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Maybe they should fly via Macho Grande?Gefan wrote:
This is my vote for Captain on Peezus, Becky, and Ophie's flight:
http://simviation.com//yabbuploads/quagmire.jpg
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It wasn't only the fingerwagging at McGraw, it was also the snarky and arrogant 'schooling' of Paula Kirby about issues she knows fuck all about compared to Kirby. What really blew the whole thing up was Watson's reaction to being criticised.Skep tickle wrote:I know you're joking, but AFAIK she has not portrayed the elevator incident like this, unless the way she has referred to it has changed over time. (Which of course is possible; I haven't been taking detailed notes.) I haven't had the impression that she feels fearful of interactions with men (IRL at least), rather that she tried to express such interactions can come across and to point out how much gratuitous sexualized drivel some women, at least, receive (online at least).Za-zen wrote:...I hope she takes the stairs this time, i know she's brave, but i think it's too much to ask of her to face the horror of that cage she was assaulted in. Lets all send our sisterly strength to her so that she can climb those stairs to freedom without too much emotional turmoil. the cost of it all, i think i need to throw up, they just don't care. ...
Her (initial) description of the elevator episode and her "guys don't do that" were both pretty straightforward and level-headed IMO. Many women have agreed that being approached in an elevator, even if everyone's on good behavior, adds a tension regarding personal safety that's less if not absent in other settings.
AFAIK what lit the keg was her presenting (from the stage, at the start of a keynote talk that was supposed to be about how Religion treats women, after a couple of slides of examples of nasty troll comments that she treated with humor), Stef McGraw's commentary on RW's vlog comments as a prime example of "misogyny" in the skeptic community.
*ducks from flying tomatoes for bringing this up*
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Almost a year is apparently ample time to develop a newfound hate for dictionaries.Altair wrote:On the subject of Miri's guest post about dictionaries not being the sources of word definitions, she's going to be revising these posts found on her old blog any minute now, right?
right?
http://brutereason.net/2012/10/24/if-yo ... a-new-god/
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7852/post2i.png
http://brutereason.net/2012/10/14/on-me ... e-awesome/
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WTF? Does he even KNOW what an anarcho-sydicalist is...?Tony Parsehole wrote:"Anybody who wears denim is an anarcho-syndicalist.
Don't like it? Blame the anarcho-syndicalist's for co-opting jeans."
-Josh The Official Spokesgay, professional mong.
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so brilliant!Ape+lust wrote:http://i.imgur.com/EzI4hwD.jpg
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When I see her in that wig, she kind of phases over into androgyny and looks a lot like a teenage boy.. She should drop the polyester and go back to real hair.Gefan wrote:Ah, Violent PZ.Tony Parsehole wrote:
http://weknowmemes.com/generator/upload ... 338204.jpg
Here's his partner, Shaggy Too Drunk.
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It's Rubens, not Reubens. A great artist and a marvellous draughtsman. But his painting The Three Graces is a fine example of unintentional humour.Altair wrote:At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)Pitchguest wrote:CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
CaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
http://i.imgur.com/PqdIBu3.jpg
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Stop oppressing her by using the painter's real name! It's an appeal to authority, fallible people write history books, the painter's named whatever Caitie wants him to be named!Jan Steen wrote:
It's Rubens, not Reubens. A great artist and a marvellous draughtsman. But his painting The Three Graces is a fine example of unintentional humour.
http://i.imgur.com/PqdIBu3.jpg[/img]
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Tony Parsehole wrote: Speaking of Oolon.....Do ya know how there are two Oolon's, one on either side of this great divide? One is the guy we all know and pity and the other is a bloke who goes by the name Oolon Colluphid (who made this lulzy, top-rated entry on Urban Dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ism%20Plus ). Now, I remember somebody saying that both those Oolon's *coincidentally* come from the same area of the UK. Does anybody know if there's any truth to that?
You can really see them losing their stupid little war on rationality and skepticism within the atheist movement:
Urban Dictionary Definition Polling:
"Negative Definition:" 9186 up, 1984 down
"Positive Definition:" 1835 up, 8548 down
And semi-related: YouTube video: AACON 2013 Dr Richard Carrier speaks on Atheism... Plus What?... 771 up votes 6,029 down votes...
And, of course, the 50% drop in webtraffic (at least at FtB) according to Alexa since December, 2012's peak.
If the so-called leaders of CFI and other atheist organizations would kick them to the curb, they'd die a bit faster. And sooner would be better than later.
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Agreed.Altair wrote:Stop oppressing her by using the painter's real name! It's an appeal to authority, fallible people write history books, the painter's named whatever Caitie wants him to be named!Jan Steen wrote:
It's Rubens, not Reubens. A great artist and a marvellous draughtsman. But his painting The Three Graces is a fine example of unintentional humour.
http://i.imgur.com/PqdIBu3.jpg[/img]
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Mind you, I'm only saying that because I'm a huge fan of High Ronnie Mouse Bawsh.
/cough
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I don't know if it's just shadows but I can kind of make out her mustache.Tribble wrote: [image stuff]
When I see her in that wig, she kind of phases over into androgyny and looks a lot like a teenage boy.. She should drop the polyester and go back to real hair.
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I was on board with her being a bit creeped out. After all, even as a guy, I don't like to be talked to by people in confined spaces. What annoyed the hell out of me when I finally found out about it, was the side-show she made out of it. Along with the changing stories, the abusing others, they lying about the threats (and why she couldn't produce them) and the subsequent hyper-exaggeration that took a normal, if poorly played, human interaction and blowing up it up into the Charlie Foxtrot they made out of it...Skep tickle wrote:I know you're joking, but AFAIK she has not portrayed the elevator incident like this, unless the way she has referred to it has changed over time. (Which of course is possible; I haven't been taking detailed notes.) I haven't had the impression that she feels fearful of interactions with men (IRL at least), rather that she tried to express such interactions can come across and to point out how much gratuitous sexualized drivel some women, at least, receive (online at least).Za-zen wrote:...I hope she takes the stairs this time, i know she's brave, but i think it's too much to ask of her to face the horror of that cage she was assaulted in. Lets all send our sisterly strength to her so that she can climb those stairs to freedom without too much emotional turmoil. the cost of it all, i think i need to throw up, they just don't care. ...
Her (initial) description of the elevator episode and her "guys don't do that" were both pretty straightforward and level-headed IMO. Many women have agreed that being approached in an elevator, even if everyone's on good behavior, adds a tension regarding personal safety that's less if not absent in other settings.
AFAIK what lit the keg was her presenting (from the stage, at the start of a keynote talk that was supposed to be about how Religion treats women, after a couple of slides of examples of nasty troll comments that she treated with humor), Stef McGraw's commentary on RW's vlog comments as a prime example of "misogyny" in the skeptic community.
*ducks from flying tomatoes for bringing this up*
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She's a rueb.Altair wrote:Stop oppressing her by using the painter's real name! It's an appeal to authority, fallible people write history books, the painter's named whatever Caitie wants him to be named!Jan Steen wrote:
It's Rubens, not Reubens. A great artist and a marvellous draughtsman. But his painting The Three Graces is a fine example of unintentional humour.
http://i.imgur.com/PqdIBu3.jpg[/img]
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Rubens and great art:Jan Steen wrote:It's Rubens, not Reubens. A great artist and a marvellous draughtsman. But his painting The Three Graces is a fine example of unintentional humour.Altair wrote:At the end we get this short bio (bolding mine)Pitchguest wrote:CaitieCat, a guest post over at Miriam's blog (who's now gone full SJW), has this to say about Richard Dawkins:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... they-suck/
CaitieCat is a 47-year-old trans bi dyke, outrageously feminist, and is a translator/editor for academics by vocation. She also writes poetry, does standup comedy, acts and directs in community theatre, paints, games, plays and referees soccer, uses a cane daily, writes other stuff, was raised proudly atheist, is both English by birth and Canadian by naturalization, a former foxhole atheist, a mother of four, and a grandmother of four more (so far). Sort of a Renaissance woman (and shaped like a Reubens!).
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Hey, PZ, when you're trolling this forum... I thought I let you know that:
Is old hat. Which is why they're, no doubt, going to be getting a rehashed old talk with just a few updates. Kind of like William Craig Lane who's been giving the same speech, virtually word-for-word, for close to 30-years now...If it helps, this boring old drone already has his talk subject picked out: I’m going to be discussing the Cambrian Explosion, since it seems to be the emerging cause of the year for the creationists.
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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:It wasn't only the fingerwagging at McGraw, it was also the snarky and arrogant 'schooling' of Paula Kirby about issues she knows fuck all about compared to Kirby. What really blew the whole thing up was Watson's reaction to being criticised.Skep tickle wrote:I know you're joking, but AFAIK she has not portrayed the elevator incident like this, unless the way she has referred to it has changed over time. (Which of course is possible; I haven't been taking detailed notes.) I haven't had the impression that she feels fearful of interactions with men (IRL at least), rather that she tried to express such interactions can come across and to point out how much gratuitous sexualized drivel some women, at least, receive (online at least).Za-zen wrote:...I hope she takes the stairs this time, i know she's brave, but i think it's too much to ask of her to face the horror of that cage she was assaulted in. Lets all send our sisterly strength to her so that she can climb those stairs to freedom without too much emotional turmoil. the cost of it all, i think i need to throw up, they just don't care. ...
Her (initial) description of the elevator episode and her "guys don't do that" were both pretty straightforward and level-headed IMO. Many women have agreed that being approached in an elevator, even if everyone's on good behavior, adds a tension regarding personal safety that's less if not absent in other settings.
AFAIK what lit the keg was her presenting (from the stage, at the start of a keynote talk that was supposed to be about how Religion treats women, after a couple of slides of examples of nasty troll comments that she treated with humor), Stef McGraw's commentary on RW's vlog comments as a prime example of "misogyny" in the skeptic community.
*ducks from flying tomatoes for bringing this up*
This a hundred times this. Instead of saying yes Richard Dawkins your correct there are far more important works in the world to fix with the rampant theocratic oppression elsewhere i just wanted it made clear that i was uncomfortable in case no one knew elevators are confined spaces that weird out some people scared of their fellow humans. Or if she hand not used a pulpit as a speaker to annihilate the character of a student in her audience for disagreeing with her. Instead we got mellow drama and entrenchment into ideology.
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Oh noes i've opened up the elevator.
@skep
My mock wasn't necessarily of Whatsun herself, but rather the narrative that sprung from it. The "beccy wasn't raped because she kept her cool" crazy. If it helps read it as if it's on the A+ forum.
@skep
My mock wasn't necessarily of Whatsun herself, but rather the narrative that sprung from it. The "beccy wasn't raped because she kept her cool" crazy. If it helps read it as if it's on the A+ forum.
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Further, i am of the opinion, that it was that narrative which generated "dear muslima" rather than the original statement
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Haters gonna hate. Party on, Rebecca!Tribble wrote:When I see her in that wig, she kind of phases over into androgyny and looks a lot like a teenage boy.. She should drop the polyester and go back to real hair.
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What pissed me off about the whole affair is the dishonest, faith-based, sanctimonious shit in this comments section from our moral guardians at The Atheist Experience and their retarded cling-ons:Tribble wrote:I was on board with her being a bit creeped out. After all, even as a guy, I don't like to be talked to by people in confined spaces. What annoyed the hell out of me when I finally found out about it, was the side-show she made out of it. Along with the changing stories, the abusing others, they lying about the threats (and why she couldn't produce them) and the subsequent hyper-exaggeration that took a normal, if poorly played, human interaction and blowing up it up into the Charlie Foxtrot they made out of it...Skep tickle wrote:I know you're joking, but AFAIK she has not portrayed the elevator incident like this, unless the way she has referred to it has changed over time. (Which of course is possible; I haven't been taking detailed notes.) I haven't had the impression that she feels fearful of interactions with men (IRL at least), rather that she tried to express such interactions can come across and to point out how much gratuitous sexualized drivel some women, at least, receive (online at least).Za-zen wrote:...I hope she takes the stairs this time, i know she's brave, but i think it's too much to ask of her to face the horror of that cage she was assaulted in. Lets all send our sisterly strength to her so that she can climb those stairs to freedom without too much emotional turmoil. the cost of it all, i think i need to throw up, they just don't care. ...
Her (initial) description of the elevator episode and her "guys don't do that" were both pretty straightforward and level-headed IMO. Many women have agreed that being approached in an elevator, even if everyone's on good behavior, adds a tension regarding personal safety that's less if not absent in other settings.
AFAIK what lit the keg was her presenting (from the stage, at the start of a keynote talk that was supposed to be about how Religion treats women, after a couple of slides of examples of nasty troll comments that she treated with humor), Stef McGraw's commentary on RW's vlog comments as a prime example of "misogyny" in the skeptic community.
*ducks from flying tomatoes for bringing this up*
http://atheistexperience.blogspot.co.uk ... -ruin.html
Highlights include Matt Dillahunty dry-sodomising his reputation and becoming the world's greatest hypocrite by resorting to ad-homs and white-knight soundbites left, right and centre, Martin Wagner using the word "privilege" like it's going out of fashion and generally being a piss-jowelled little hobbit, Russell Glasser being a complete fucking mong as per usual and the pro-fem commentators losing their shit whilst not getting their stories straight (which led to the paradox of EG being a complete stranger who had nothing to do with TAM yet knew Becci and everything about her including her stance on 4am propositioning), equating the incident to a mugging in a dimly lit car park, calling people sociopaths and, in a story as old as time, equating everything to rape.
Reading that thread still pisses me off.