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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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mikelf wrote:
windy wrote:
Outwest wrote: There's the money quote for me:
By Sunday morning, several of us were actively propping up CFI staff morale.
The egotism in that statement alone. It's just too much to even laugh at right now. I would think that if the CFI staff were that upset, they would've have been complaining during the conference. As usual, she's making shit up again.
Unless "CFI staff" in that statement ≈ Melody Hensley

Exactamundo. This blatant attempt to appeal to "employee morale" just crystallizes in my mind exactly how inept Stephanie, et al are at playing the organizational game. It isn't a surprise to me since their ranks are filled with:

1. Academics who think success in a bureaucracy comes from putting more hissy in your fit (PZ, Lousy Canuck,Carrier)
2. Non-supervisory individual contributors who's career success comes from subject matter expertise (Stephanie)
3. Dilettantes trying to punch above their class (Melody, Rebecca)

At the executive level, you don't succeed in organizations (or, for that matter, courtrooms, since Lindsay was a litigator) by being the loudest or most earnest. You succeed by fully preparing the battlefield before you step onto it. You decide on your goals, determine different methods to achieve those goals, game out the various responses to what you might do, and prepare for each contingency. It is my opinion that the game was over long before Lindsay stood up to walk to the podium. I expect that he circulated his speech to the CFI board far in advance of the WIS conference and solicited their feedback and suggestions. And, dollars to donuts, he incorporated their feedback into the speech so they had some sense of ownership.
I agree, he had been planning this for months in my opinion. It's like bursting a boil. It has to be done sooner or later as the experience at JREF shows.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Jack wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
I think the letter which was to be from here would be useful. Although having it female only goes against my principles there are exceptions.

Well...how about a man-only letter saying that Stephecca Bensina makes us feel unwelcome in the secular community?

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Outwest wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
Notice she didn't identify for her readers who the others are. I wonder if they're afraid of backlash. That's standing up, isn't it? They're probably afraid people will start boycotting their appearances. Then again, were there really 13 or is that another fabrication?
I noticed that too. Why are the names of the dirty dozen not mentioned? Are they ashamed? Are they cowards?

Who said something about always naming names?

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Jan Steen wrote:
Outwest wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
Notice she didn't identify for her readers who the others are. I wonder if they're afraid of backlash. That's standing up, isn't it? They're probably afraid people will start boycotting their appearances. Then again, were there really 13 or is that another fabrication?
I noticed that too. Why are the names of the dirty dozen not mentioned? Are they ashamed? Are they cowards?

Who said something about always naming names?
The Collective generally dont use names. Just numbers. The character you know as 'Svan' is One of Thirteen.

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Apples wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:In other news, on Zvan's "Ethics of Unmasking" post, they're still desperately trying to drag Skep tickle's name through the mud. Claiming she's an abuser, saying it's her fault, and even openly using her last name now.
They couldn't have picked a nicer person to finger as their poster-girl for "dangerous abusive harasser hiding behind her anonymity" -- a respected Harvard MD with expertise in women's health who is apparently a well-liked and mild-mannered board-member of her local atheist organization, who has evidently never "harassed" or "abused" anyone.

Oh wait - she snarked at Ophelia Benson and participates here. Therefore, she is, according to "Kevin," commenting at that post, comparable to 1) a drunk driver, 2) a child abuser, 3) a rapist, 4) a cockroach, and 5) a pedophile running an internet kiddie porn site.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-241171
http://www.freezepage.com/1370294210LGUPEFWQIV
What a loathsome duplicitous pair of tapeworms Zvan and Benson are. I hope this is what they're remembered for, when the dust of this stupid kerfuffle settles ... especially the way they both doubled down in "justifying" their accusations, doxxing, and lies.

Thanks for the freezepage - not going there anymore, not even for the lulz.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Mykeru gets his own personal Jan Steen original. Just for vibrating with rage.
Heh, I'm Tweeting that

You kids are so much fun to fuck with. Difficulty level: I had to do it on Tappatalk.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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DAMMIT! Shes obviously S(e)van of Thirteen! DAMMIT! Someone throw me the line again!

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If you get to close to the bars, I go into leg-humping mode.

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ERV wrote:
Jan Steen wrote:
Outwest wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
Notice she didn't identify for her readers who the others are. I wonder if they're afraid of backlash. That's standing up, isn't it? They're probably afraid people will start boycotting their appearances. Then again, were there really 13 or is that another fabrication?
I noticed that too. Why are the names of the dirty dozen not mentioned? Are they ashamed? Are they cowards?

Who said something about always naming names?
The Collective generally dont use names. Just numbers. The character you know as 'Svan' is One of Thirteen.
WHO IS NUMBER FIVE?

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Mykeru wrote:
If you get to close to the bars, I go into leg-humping mode.
I laughed a lung up at this. Then I spotted that the bolts don't hold the sign onto the railings. Then I decided to comment pointing that out. Then I realized I'm a cunt.

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I am now forever referring to Svan as "Svan of Lyin'"

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Jack wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
I think the letter which was to be from here would be useful. Although having it female only goes against my principles there are exceptions.
Personally, I'm feeling discriminated against! :mrgreen:

Not really. While I generally do not support arbitrary gender separation, I can readily see the advantage of a woman-only letter/petition in this particular environment. Hopefully it can be delivered with a lot more signatories than Svan's little pissfest.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
If you get to close to the bars, I go into leg-humping mode.
I laughed a lung up at this. Then I spotted that the bolts don't hold the sign onto the railings. Then I decided to comment pointing that out. Then I realized I'm a cunt.
Maybe the bolts go to a couple horizontal cross-pieces that sandwich the bars between them and the sign itself, you picky little shit-bird.

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Did anyone notice the other day that PeeZus has begun to switch his criticism of sexist bearded white men in atheism/skepticism towards the criticism of, well, bearded white guys in science fiction?

The question in my mind is where is the next obvious target?

Well, how about the subject of sexist bearded white guys in commercial photography?

Perhaps Stephanie can find a reason to join this new campaign too. ;)

http://i.imgur.com/Zka8YbJ.jpg

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
If you get to close to the bars, I go into leg-humping mode.
I laughed a lung up at this. Then I spotted that the bolts don't hold the sign onto the railings. Then I decided to comment pointing that out. Then I realized I'm a cunt.
If I saw that sign in real life, it would somehow, through the most mysterious of circumstances, end up on my studio wall. Just sayin'.

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I would like to take this opportunity to thank Stephanie Svan. Keep the lulz coming, fat girl.

Oh, now I've done it.

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Wait...something is missing.

http://cdn.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-conten ... ng-cow.gif

Yeah, that's better.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Zenspace wrote:
Jack wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
I think the letter which was to be from here would be useful. Although having it female only goes against my principles there are exceptions.
Personally, I'm feeling discriminated against! :mrgreen:

Not really. While I generally do not support arbitrary gender separation, I can readily see the advantage of a woman-only letter/petition in this particular environment. Hopefully it can be delivered with a lot more signatories than Svan's little pissfest.
I was referring to the one here viewtopic.php?f=29&t=312

In any event I want answers. I am not a happy bunny. I always knew many people here had good reason to be angry but now I really appreciate why they are.

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Post by TheMan »

I think this will catch-on.

[youtube]o-50GjySwew[/youtube]

Camel Toe comes free of charge....now I've done it.

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Jack wrote:In any event I want answers. I am not a happy bunny. I always knew many people here had good reason to be angry but now I really appreciate why they are.
http://ialwayshaveaplan.files.wordpress ... -angry.jpg

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They're all barking fucking lunatics. Is there a Defence of Harassment act (D'Oh) to go with the Defence of Marriage act? You can't redefine Harassment: it's between a victim and a perp where I am always the victim and you, forever the perp, till doxdouspart. Amen.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
If you get to close to the bars, I go into leg-humping mode.
I laughed a lung up at this. Then I spotted that the bolts don't hold the sign onto the railings. Then I decided to comment pointing that out. Then I realized I'm a cunt.
Also, his habitat is a car-park surrounded by bushes, but that could have been intentional.

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TheMan wrote:I think this will catch-on.

[youtube]o-50GjySwew[/youtube]

Camel Toe comes free of charge....now I've done it.
What the Fuh?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Jack wrote:
Zenspace wrote:
Jack wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:I see the Steffalump has published a letter from 13 speakers at WiS to the CFI board, doing a hatchet job on Ron Lindsay. Among those getting a shout out for harassing tweets is our very own Mykeru!!!!!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... cfi-board/
Bet we could have over 200 signing a letter that says he had a fine speech and that we aren't of the type to read more into what was actually said.
I think the letter which was to be from here would be useful. Although having it female only goes against my principles there are exceptions.
Personally, I'm feeling discriminated against! :mrgreen:

Not really. While I generally do not support arbitrary gender separation, I can readily see the advantage of a woman-only letter/petition in this particular environment. Hopefully it can be delivered with a lot more signatories than Svan's little pissfest.
I was referring to the one here viewtopic.php?f=29&t=312
I know, I offered an edit and moral support during the drafting process.
In any event I want answers. I am not a happy bunny. I always knew many people here had good reason to be angry but now I really appreciate why they are.
I know enough of the history to fully understand the depth of the anger and resentment that created the pit. If I'd been around during those events, I would have ended up here right at the beginning. I also want answers. Even more, I want these little shits called out publicly for their offenses by the larger community, although I will settle for them being effectively shut out of the atheist/skeptic community.

Early this year, Mykeru commented that this was the year of the big pushback. As events unfold, I think he was very prescient. Interestingly, as the pushback grows and broadens, the FftB/Skepchick crowd grows increasingly shrill and brazen, almost as if they sense the end approaching. I will be doing my level best to help that end along, as should we all.

Everyone is sending their letters of support for Ron Lindsay to CFI, right? These events are tactical gifts, do not waste them.

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Post by Outwest »

KiwiInOz wrote:
TheMan wrote:I think this will catch-on.

[youtube]o-50GjySwew[/youtube]

Camel Toe comes free of charge....now I've done it.
What the Fuh?
I think if the police saw someone walking around like that, that person would probably be arrested.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Zenspace wrote:On a lighter note, from the Onion:
feminism - Onion.jpg
Came to lurk for LOLz after some of the bickering spilled onto twitter, but logged in just so that I could see what the hell that attachment was. I'm mostly content. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... hand10.gif

[More than content with Sacha's "13 years ago" attachment, also. http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... ey/lol.gif ]

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Post by bovarchist »

KiwiInOz wrote:
TheMan wrote:I think this will catch-on.

o-50GjySwew

Camel Toe comes free of charge....now I've done it.
What the Fuh?
Ed Helms did it better on The Daily Show in 2003. Skippercise.

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TheMan wrote:I think this will catch on.
Amazing but true. The Prancercize (LLC) Trot - it's really hot!

“It’s about Self-Expression. It’s about Non-violence. It’s about Conservation.”

http://philly.barstoolsports.com/files/ ... ercize.jpg

And an actual testimonial from the website:

http://aptohq.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/w ... MADORA.jpg

DAVID MADORA,PHILADELPHIA,PA.
BUSINESS OWNER
“THE EXERCISE IS REALLY COOL! I FOLLOW MANY OF JOANNA’S DIETARY PRINCIPLES”

http://prancercise.com/

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Wow... just tried to leave a comment at FtB, and WTF!?

http://i.imgur.com/nkqlMcS.png

;)

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Percentage wrote:I'm generally of the opinion that doxxing is 100% off-limits, so it's not something I'd participate myself. But I have to admit that I'd take a front row seat is Physiopricke ever got outed.
Look, I hate Physiofuckee as much as anyone else, but the poor bastard didn't do anything this time. Did he? If he did, then it's time to go all out in an war of anihilation.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
TheMan wrote:I think this will catch-on.

[youtube]o-50GjySwew[/youtube]

Camel Toe comes free of charge....now I've done it.
What the Fuh?

I think I know where she got the idea.

[youtube]E_0Ta_DIWuU[/youtube]

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That prancercise is shit.

Try Lorenzo the Flying Frenchman's methods:

[youtube]YXpxpKTnUr8[/youtube]

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KiwiInOz wrote:
TheMan wrote:I think this will catch-on.

[youtube]o-50GjySwew[/youtube]

Camel Toe comes free of charge....now I've done it.
What the Fuh?
I heard you guys like doing 'the hand thing'. I've been doing this for 24/7.
[youtube]NtSgWZbL_kE[/youtube]
ah oy ah oy ah oy

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Mykeru wrote:I would like to take this opportunity to thank Stephanie Svan. Keep the lulz coming, fat girl.

Oh, now I've done it.
MYKERUUUUUU! Are you calling Grea Christina fat? Shame on you!

*Just to keep the new tradition of redirecting what you say to the Fluevog Postergirl

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Southern wrote:
Percentage wrote:I'm generally of the opinion that doxxing is 100% off-limits, so it's not something I'd participate myself. But I have to admit that I'd take a front row seat is Physiopricke ever got outed.
Look, I hate Physiofuckee as much as anyone else, but the poor bastard didn't do anything this time. Did he? If he did, then it's time to go all out in an war of anihilation.
Well, he did write a post on cooking something, and even there he had to put in his pretentious/irrational writing quirks, making him seem like he needs professional help of some kind. Personally, as long as he stays where he is, he is living proof to the lie that Thunderf00t was a bad writer and that's why he got the boot (as if more evidence was needed). It is a bit of pseudo-hypocrisy, since no one really believed that was the real reason anyway.

I assume he would be easy to find - if he is a "proffe" of some kind, surely something he wrote professionally or someone he taught has brought up his bizarre spelling fetish.

Other than that, in the FftB feed, Ophie is clueless about her privilege argument (I suspect despite her claims to recognize it in herself, I doubt she does). Tidybowl wrote a TLDR screed on the same subject. A few posts about that feminism site (with half-fish, seriously?), and PZ shilling for surlyramics. As if anyone with taste would wear that.

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Clarence wrote: But here's the thing: this is the last thing you'd WANT CFI to see if you had hopes of influencing them. So I'm left with a few possibilities.
A. They've already (despite the latest email) basically given up on CFI bowing to their whims so they don't care.
B. They have enough institutional power with the CFI board (for whatever reason) to know this won't matter. This is kind of a scary thought, but then I think if they had THAT kind of power Lindsay would be gone already.
C. They are crazy batshit idiots who can't think how this will look outside their closed treehouse blogs.

the answer is C - they have fallen for their own hype - they have brainwashed themselves - they don't expect anyone to verify the contents of that letter, it is the word of god. It is the same premise with the Skeptickle doxx, they do not think anyone will do the research to see how they could not have chosen a worse person to be the poster child for harassment. They are parodying themselves, the CFI community are SCEPTICS, for fuck's sake. Except for the fact that Skeptickle is one of the last people to ever deserve what they have put her through, I truly can't think of a more brilliant beginning of the end

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Did anyone notice the other day that PeeZus has begun to switch his criticism of sexist bearded white men in atheism/skepticism towards the criticism of, well, bearded white guys in science fiction?

The question in my mind is where is the next obvious target?

Well, how about the subject of sexist bearded white guys in commercial photography?

Perhaps Stephanie can find a reason to join this new campaign too. ;)

http://i.imgur.com/Zka8YbJ.jpg
Another victory for the 'Pit's Jackie Chan of Google-Fu.

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welcome back, Mykeru.

where have you been Jack Rayner?!

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM »

Everything - even attempts to improve human rights in Africa - is about Opheliar showing she is a better person than you:

http://i.imgur.com/Hoi4NNM.png

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sacha wrote:welcome back, Mykeru.

where have you been Jack Rayner?!
Busy in meatspace, mostly...some of the time. Had to abstain from the 'pit to focus on my final push in school. Graduated, but with my irregular work cycle I've mostly stuck to drifting between youtube and twitter for my drama fixes. I lurk every now and then, usually when Mykeru or Vacula tweet a link. Wouldn't say I'm quite "back", but I'll probably post every now and then now that I've broken the seal again.

Y'all are all looking as lively as ever.

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Post by Mykeru »

Southern wrote:
Mykeru wrote:I would like to take this opportunity to thank Stephanie Svan. Keep the lulz coming, fat girl.

Oh, now I've done it.
MYKERUUUUUU! Are you calling Grea Christina fat? Shame on you!

*Just to keep the new tradition of redirecting what you say to the Fluevog Postergirl
Shoe-shaming!

You know, reading Svan's most excellent bullshit, I started thinking of where they are going with this. I mean, the whole Vacula-non Emergency at WIS and Ron Lindsay's little talk being butchered in broad daylight, leading to all this bridge-burning and now this. THIS!

Then I realized that I was doing it again, trying to make rational sense out of deeply irrational people.

Look, they've been shut out of TAM, having completely fucked with the wrong person in the form of D.J. Groethe, now they've made themselves persona non grata at CFI. There's no strategy here. This is the flailing of one-trick assholes whose dirty tricks are no longer working.

That's why we have Svan, again, writing a White Paper on the virtue of doxing. Like every other bankrupt ideology, the only thing they have left is resorting to force, or at lest the sort of force a bunch of cowards can muster.

Lies, manipulation, threats.

It's actually quite fascinating to watch them burn right at the mooring mast. Someone pass out the marshmallows. Oh, yeah, and the gasoline. Can't be too careful, you know.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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And they say prayer doesn't work...

Can any of the MDs here confirm/deny whether this:
My eagle-eyed internist saw a slight problem in some blood work, and had me have an ultrasound, a CAT scan, and referred me to an urologist in quick order. One kidney is working but not draining into the bladder. The urologist will put in a stent for drainage next week. No cutting involved, and in/out in the same day.
...means that Nerd of Redhead is going to get a tube shoved up his cock? For the love of God, Mary and sweetest baby Jesus, please let one urologist in America hear and recognize a shout echoing down the corridor next week:

"My appointment card says 10:30am, you idjit fuckwit, and it is now 10:35am. Oh ,you "think" it's busy today, do you? CITATION NEEDED you presuppositional liberturd, or else *FLOOSH* per the Hitchens quote."

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-630249

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by welch »

KiwiInOz wrote:
welch wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
Jack wrote:Guys your being trolled.
You mean under the expansive and self-serving freethought blogs definition that anyone who disagrees is a troll?

During the Cold War the United States became more and more authoritarian in the fight against communism. During the Vietnam War under the program of pacification people argued you had to destroy villages to save them. Or you could go back to the cartoon character Fearless Fosdick who shot people rather than let them eat tainted beans.

So as freethought blogs unravels it's interesting to watch people in the Pit- subconsciously or otherwise - model themselves after them.

Please do go on with willful mischaractetization, whine about offense, construct ad hoc speech codes, use bullshit shaming terms, White Knight to your hearts content and let the dogpile begin.

But first y'all divest yourself of the notion that I'm your buddy or I'm on your side or whatever imagine relationship that exists only in your own head gives you license to shit talk, accuse me of things I did not say or do, or some how you get a pass.

Questions?
TROLOLOLOLOL
Shame on you.
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Mykeru wrote:
Southern wrote:
Mykeru wrote:I would like to take this opportunity to thank Stephanie Svan. Keep the lulz coming, fat girl.

Oh, now I've done it.
MYKERUUUUUU! Are you calling Grea Christina fat? Shame on you!

*Just to keep the new tradition of redirecting what you say to the Fluevog Postergirl
Shoe-shaming!

You know, reading Svan's most excellent bullshit, I started thinking of where they are going with this. I mean, the whole Vacula-non Emergency at WIS and Ron Lindsay's little talk being butchered in broad daylight, leading to all this bridge-burning and now this. THIS!

Then I realized that I was doing it again, trying to make rational sense out of deeply irrational people.

Look, they've been shut out of TAM, having completely fucked with the wrong person in the form of D.J. Groethe, now they've made themselves persona non grata at CFI. There's no strategy here. This is the flailing of one-trick assholes whose dirty tricks are no longer working.

That's why we have Svan, again, writing a White Paper on the virtue of doxing. Like every other bankrupt ideology, the only thing they have left is resorting to force, or at lest the sort of force a bunch of cowards can muster.

Lies, manipulation, threats.

It's actually quite fascinating to watch them burn right at the mooring mast. Someone pass out the marshmallows. Oh, yeah, and the gasoline. Can't be too careful, you know.

Well, they've tapped out justifying laden v. justin griffith, but no sense in wasting all that logimical'in'

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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welch wrote:
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[youtube]KaqC5FnvAEc[/youtube]

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Outwest wrote:Then again, were there really 13 or is that another fabrication?
It would be an odd lie to tell. That said there were 23 speakers. 10 didn't sign. It isn't as if contacting all 23 of them would be difficult to see if they would add their names to that letter. It is a majority. But it is not the landslide of a consensus that one might expect.

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Post by Southern »

deLurch wrote:
Outwest wrote:Then again, were there really 13 or is that another fabrication?
It would be an odd lie to tell. That said there were 23 speakers. 10 didn't sign. It isn't as if contacting all 23 of them would be difficult to see if they would add their names to that letter. It is a majority. But it is not the landslide of a consensus that one might expect.
Whooping 56% of support for their ridiculous letter. And a chunk of them are the incestuous FTB crowd that would sign anything proposed by Zwugzwang.

You are winning teh hearts, PZ & crowd.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Do you know what a Post Turtle is?

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him, what a 'post turtle' was.

The old ringer said, 'When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'.

The old ringer saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.

"You know it didn't get up there by its self, it doesn't belong up there, it doesn't know what to do while it's up there, it's elevated beyond her ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of bloody idiot put it up there to begin with."
(the begining of the tale has been removed to allow for adaption to multiple scenrios)

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM »

Headsup: Meyers's bunch of bloodhounds might be following a trail set by Meyers himself, or else one of the regulars who has got bored of simply typing "This. 100,000% this." under everyone of the fatboy's posts. It may be a genuine new christian, but it smells a little off to me. Maybe 'Tis (not) Himself?

Check out "supermudz":

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -ran-away/

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM »

TheMan wrote:Do you know what a Post Turtle is?

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him, what a 'post turtle' was.

The old ringer said, 'When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'.

The old ringer saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.

"You know it didn't get up there by its self, it doesn't belong up there, it doesn't know what to do while it's up there, it's elevated beyond her ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of bloody idiot put it up there to begin with."
(the begining of the tale has been removed to allow for adaption to multiple scenrios)
Is this the FfTB motto? "No turtle left below."

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Jim the Psychopath Made Me Do It

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Post by Michael K Gray »

I am reading an excellent book called "The Wisdom of Psychopaths" (Kevin Dutton), and he reproduces a scholarly excerpt on the subject of "Groupthink":
The complete inventory of groupthink symptoms runs as follows:
• Feelings of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk-taking.
• Discounting of warnings that might challenge assumptions.
• Unquestioned belief in the group’s morality, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
• Stereotyped views of enemy leaders.
• Pressure to conform against members of the group who disagree.
• Shutting down of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
• Illusion of unanimity.
• “Mind-guards” — self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting opinions
(Irving L Janis, 1972)
Remind you of any Bloggers?

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by Metalogic42 »

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Headsup: Meyers's bunch of bloodhounds might be following a trail set by Meyers himself, or else one of the regulars who has got bored of simply typing "This. 100,000% this." under everyone of the fatboy's posts. It may be a genuine new christian, but it smells a little off to me. Maybe 'Tis (not) Himself?

Check out "supermudz":

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -ran-away/
Scrolling through the comments, found this:
Nerd of Redhead wrote:Negatives can’t be proved.
This is something in the atheist community that's been grinding my gears for years now. I really have no idea why it persists. Modus tollens, motherfuckers.

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Slightly off topic, just wondering if PZ and Co. are reconsidering their Convergence engagements:

"Harassment

CONvergence is dedicated to providing a safe and comfortable convention experience for everyone. Harassment of any kind, including physical assault, battery, deliberate intimidation, stalking, or unwelcome physical attentions, will not be tolerated. If people tell you “no” or to leave them alone, your business with them is done.

Leave them alone. Do not follow them or attempt to disrupt their convention experience in any way. If you continue to attempt to have contact with those people, you may be removed from the premises.

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CONvergence is not responsible for solving any interpersonal problems that may arise between individual members. In general, we can take no action to prevent a person from attending the convention unless that person has made a specific and credible threat toward the convention itself. If you feel that a threat exists against your person, we advise you to seek a restraining order against the individual in question and to involve the host hotel itself (security staff specifically) and the municipal police department in advance of the convention; otherwise, we recommend simply avoiding that individual.

If that individual stalks, harasses, or attempts to assault you at the convention itself, you may report that individual to a member of Operations (they will report it to the hotel’s security staff who will get the police involved if necessary) or you may report it to hotel security directly, and the appropriate action will be taken. Conversely, any attempt to have an innocent person removed from the convention by falsely accusing him or her of threats will be itself treated as an act of harassment and will be dealt with appropriately. The responsibility for settling interpersonal disputes lies solely with the individuals involved, and CONvergence will not tolerate being used as a leveraging point in such disputes.
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It's a gig I guess and more than likely a rider and room for Beccy. Sometimes you just gotta take one for the team.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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FrankGrimes wrote:Slightly off topic, just wondering if PZ and Co. are reconsidering their Convergence engagements:

"Harassment

CONvergence is dedicated to providing a safe and comfortable convention experience for everyone. Harassment of any kind, including physical assault, battery, deliberate intimidation, stalking, or unwelcome physical attentions, will not be tolerated. If people tell you “no” or to leave them alone, your business with them is done.

Leave them alone. Do not follow them or attempt to disrupt their convention experience in any way. If you continue to attempt to have contact with those people, you may be removed from the premises.

—

CONvergence is not responsible for solving any interpersonal problems that may arise between individual members. In general, we can take no action to prevent a person from attending the convention unless that person has made a specific and credible threat toward the convention itself. If you feel that a threat exists against your person, we advise you to seek a restraining order against the individual in question and to involve the host hotel itself (security staff specifically) and the municipal police department in advance of the convention; otherwise, we recommend simply avoiding that individual.

If that individual stalks, harasses, or attempts to assault you at the convention itself, you may report that individual to a member of Operations (they will report it to the hotel’s security staff who will get the police involved if necessary) or you may report it to hotel security directly, and the appropriate action will be taken. Conversely, any attempt to have an innocent person removed from the convention by falsely accusing him or her of threats will be itself treated as an act of harassment and will be dealt with appropriately. The responsibility for settling interpersonal disputes lies solely with the individuals involved, and CONvergence will not tolerate being used as a leveraging point in such disputes."

It's a gig I guess and more than likely a rider and room for Beccy. Sometimes you just gotta take one for the team.
There goes all the victim points, right down the drain.

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Re: Lousy Canuck’s post, Strawprivilege

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Post by Steersman »

FWIW, I made a comment on Lousy Canuck’s blog on the topic of “privilege” which Jason let through, somewhat surprisingly, and responded to. My response to him – below – is still in moderation (as of 22:25, UTC-7):
Steersman wrote: Jason said (#9):
It’s racist to consider how race affects races other than the privileged ones! It’s sexist to consider how your sex might negatively impact how others with privilege view you!
I wonder how that addresses what I said. And I wonder whether those statements of yours are some sort of rhetorical question or not, and what you meant by them. But I certainly was not arguing or even suggesting that it is racist or sexist to consider how one’s race or sex “might negatively impact” others’ views of oneself. What I was trying to suggest or argue was that your position – and that of others – is or seems tantamount to an intrinsic, a priori weighting, if not pre-judging (prejudicing), of the experiences of all parties in favour of the supposedly “under-privileged” – at least relatively speaking – that is an essential stereotyping of the “over-privileged”. [Afterthought: at least potentially.] Which is part of the basic definitions for both sexism (1) and racism.

And while you commendably acknowledge that “[the privileged] may not be equipped to recognize the scope and depth of a problem because of the cognitive biases that keep [them] from seeing the problem to begin with”, I’m really not sure that you are even prepared to consider, much less have been able to understand, that that “may not” does not necessarily mean “can not”. While the “lived experiences” of the “under-privileged” are certainly a factor to consider, I very much doubt that it is the only factor, or even the most important one, at least in all cases.

For example, consider the “lived experiences” of religious fundamentalists who have “seen Jehovah in all his glory”. Or of those who think that they’ve been abducted by aliens. You want to try arguing that their experiences are likely to be closer to the real, unvarnished “truth” than those outside those experiences?

And that bias is what makes that pile of schlock known as “privilege”, potentially at least, the manifestation of some rather egregious racism and sexism.
Another straw-something. Sigh. Good old Steersman.
Maybe you’re not able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Or not allow your biases to colour what I said. But isn’t “old” age-ist? You’re not trying to “appropriate or ignore [my] lived experiences”, are you? Trying to tell me to "shut-up and listen"? Trying to tell me that "feminist women [and their allies] in the secular community don’t want to hear any ideas about feminism from men"? (2)

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1) “_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexism”;
2) "_http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/06/03/women-in-secularism-speakers-letter-to-cfi-board/";

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Re: Lousy Canuck’s post, Strawprivilege

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Steersman wrote:FWIW, I made a comment on Lousy Canuck’s blog on the topic of “privilege” which Jason let through, somewhat surprisingly, and responded to. My response to him – below – is still in moderation (as of 22:25, UTC-7):
Steersman wrote: Jason said (#9):
It’s racist to consider how race affects races other than the privileged ones! It’s sexist to consider how your sex might negatively impact how others with privilege view you!
I wonder how that addresses what I said. And I wonder whether those statements of yours are some sort of rhetorical question or not, and what you meant by them. But I certainly was not arguing or even suggesting that it is racist or sexist to consider how one’s race or sex “might negatively impact” others’ views of oneself. What I was trying to suggest or argue was that your position – and that of others – is or seems tantamount to an intrinsic, a priori weighting, if not pre-judging (prejudicing), of the experiences of all parties in favour of the supposedly “under-privileged” – at least relatively speaking – that is an essential stereotyping of the “over-privileged”. [Afterthought: at least potentially.] Which is part of the basic definitions for both sexism (1) and racism.

And while you commendably acknowledge that “[the privileged] may not be equipped to recognize the scope and depth of a problem because of the cognitive biases that keep [them] from seeing the problem to begin with”, I’m really not sure that you are even prepared to consider, much less have been able to understand, that that “may not” does not necessarily mean “can not”. While the “lived experiences” of the “under-privileged” are certainly a factor to consider, I very much doubt that it is the only factor, or even the most important one, at least in all cases.

For example, consider the “lived experiences” of religious fundamentalists who have “seen Jehovah in all his glory”. Or of those who think that they’ve been abducted by aliens. You want to try arguing that their experiences are likely to be closer to the real, unvarnished “truth” than those outside those experiences?

And that bias is what makes that pile of schlock known as “privilege”, potentially at least, the manifestation of some rather egregious racism and sexism.
Another straw-something. Sigh. Good old Steersman.
Maybe you’re not able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Or not allow your biases to colour what I said. But isn’t “old” age-ist? You’re not trying to “appropriate or ignore [my] lived experiences”, are you? Trying to tell me to "shut-up and listen"? Trying to tell me that "feminist women [and their allies] in the secular community don’t want to hear any ideas about feminism from men"? (2)

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1) “_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexism”;
2) "_http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/06/03/women-in-secularism-speakers-letter-to-cfi-board/";
You cited a dictionary. How dare you!

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Re: Jim the Psychopath Made Me Do It

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Post by KiwiInOz »

Michael K Gray wrote:I am reading an excellent book called "The Wisdom of Psychopaths" (Kevin Dutton), and he reproduces a scholarly excerpt on the subject of "Groupthink":
The complete inventory of groupthink symptoms runs as follows:
• Feelings of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk-taking.
• Discounting of warnings that might challenge assumptions.
• Unquestioned belief in the group’s morality, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
• Stereotyped views of enemy leaders.
• Pressure to conform against members of the group who disagree.
• Shutting down of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
• Illusion of unanimity.
• “Mind-guards” — self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting opinions
(Irving L Janis, 1972)
Remind you of any Bloggers?
I guess that the difference between us and them is that we are right. Without question.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Post by Mark Thomas »

Apparently it's not just feminism...

I've been in an argument with multiple commenters on skepchick for the past couple days about economics and "privilege". Commenters have suggested I be banned and I've been told to "shut up and listen".

The thugocracy apparently can't be challenged on any topic...

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Mark Thomas wrote:Apparently it's not just feminism...

I've been in an argument with multiple commenters on skepchick for the past couple days about economics and "privilege". Commenters have suggested I be banned and I've been told to "shut up and listen".

The thugocracy apparently can't be challenged on any topic...
I'm surprised you haven't already been banned.

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Re: Lousy Canuck’s post, Strawprivilege

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Metalogic42 wrote:
Steersman wrote:FWIW, I made a comment on Lousy Canuck’s blog on the topic of “privilege” which Jason let through, somewhat surprisingly, and responded to. My response to him – below – is still in moderation (as of 22:25, UTC-7):
Steersman wrote: Jason said (#9):
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1) “_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexism”;
2) "_http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/06/03/women-in-secularism-speakers-letter-to-cfi-board/";
You cited a dictionary. How dare you!
Ooops! Guess my argument is automatically forfeit! Dang! Back to the drawing board … :-)

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