I doubt it.
I think flewellyn has mentioned that she is a girl who is still in her mid to late teens, which would mean she wasn't born at that point in the early nineties.
well the latest voting has Dr Intellectual Artillery video down to less than a 14 % approval rating.
As it would be impossible after Dr Carriers deliberate tour de force that anyone could logically disagree with his Bayes argument about atheism plus . Logically Dr Carrier logically concludes that he has logically proved by his logical analysis that 6 out of 7 atheists are immoral woman hating CHUDs who despise compassion, integrity and reason!
Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
I keep reading that Transformers flow chart. It's legendary.
The only two options upon completion are a patronising pat on the head for the padawan SJW:
Cool. I think I can safely say you're on the right track here. Just keep reading ad learning and you'll probably do alright.
Or an eyeful of incoherent, P.C. invective and insinuations about your personality, literary habits and how you think Freud is still relevant (?).
Congrats! You're an antiquated binary shitlord that doesn't actually want to explore themes of gender. You're probably cis and a fan of John Gray's books or believe Freud is still relevant.
No in-between whatsoever. You are either on the right track with much to learn or a complete "shitlord". All this on a flowchart about giving names to Transformers in fan-fiction.
Just sublime.
Tfoot wrote:Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
I think his promotion of it is supposed to be self-serving (since he doesn't seem to care about it apart from the 3 or so times he's written about it) but as you note - it's having the opposite effect!
He's not a REAL member of atheism plus until he's gone through initiation on the official forums. And you know that his life-expectancy on there would be pretty short!
Tfoot wrote:well the latest voting has Dr Intellectual Artillery video down to less than a 14 % approval rating.
As it would be impossible after Dr Carriers deliberate tour de force that anyone could logically disagree with his Bayes argument about atheism plus . Logically Dr Carrier logically concludes that he has logically proved by his logical analysis that 6 out of 7 atheists are immoral woman hating CHUDs who despise compassion, integrity and reason!
Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
If he admitted that he might have been wrong his whole self image would probably crumble and he probably go insane. "I've always been right before so how can I be wrong now. It's the world that's wrong, not me! Admit I'm right! Admit I'm right!"
Tfoot wrote:well the latest voting has Dr Intellectual Artillery video down to less than a 14 % approval rating.
As it would be impossible after Dr Carriers deliberate tour de force that anyone could logically disagree with his Bayes argument about atheism plus . Logically Dr Carrier logically concludes that he has logically proved by his logical analysis that 6 out of 7 atheists are immoral woman hating CHUDs who despise compassion, integrity and reason!
Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
He simply can't grasp the concept that not everyone thinks he's as awesome as HE thinks he is.
Apparently there's a weird section on tumblr with people who fantasise about being transformers.
My headcanon for Cybertronians is that there are a multitude of different pronouns for different groups, rather than one collective ungendered pronoun. And pronouns would be based on form and/or function. Triplechangers, minibots, towers mechs would have their own pronouns. I even think the Prime(s) would have their own pronoun. I would LOVE to see a fic that reflected this, used a wide variety of pronouns other than he/she, and built on a deep culture that’s different from our own. c:
It's bad enough some adults want to be a cartoon robot who can turn into a car. Adding social justice rules to the fantasy just makes me suicidal.
Of course people want to be giant transforming death machines. I've wanted to be grimlock since the character was introduced.
Tfoot wrote:well the latest voting has Dr Intellectual Artillery video down to less than a 14 % approval rating.
As it would be impossible after Dr Carriers deliberate tour de force that anyone could logically disagree with his Bayes argument about atheism plus . Logically Dr Carrier logically concludes that he has logically proved by his logical analysis that 6 out of 7 atheists are immoral woman hating CHUDs who despise compassion, integrity and reason!
Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
If he admitted that he might have been wrong his whole self image would probably crumble and he probably go insane. "I've always been right before so how can I be wrong now. It's the world that's wrong, not me! Admit I'm right! Admit I'm right!"
JAB wrote:Hey,
I don't know who this is, but Youtube recommended it, so I gave it a look:
[youtube]hxVoTKexXmc[/youtube]
Ah, devchelle2. He is, or was, banging xxxPeachxxx (lucky bastard) after she dumped Richard "the Dick" Coughlan after saying she was going to marry him and move to the UK. Coughlan of course is the Brit who had a YouTube dust up with Thunderf00t well before FtB and even before that muslim twat doxxed him. Also in the comments to that thread Eucliwood appears and declares her love for devchelle2.
Right now, in the UK, the outbreak of measles has reached epidemic proportions. Nearly 700 people have come down with the highly contagious disease in south Wales, and that number may double. Measles can cause a nasty rash and high fever, and in children can cause ear infections, encephalitis, and death.
(Andrew Wakefield is the one who published a paper in The Lancet that started the modern fear of vaccines; the paper contained shoddy and subsequently disproven work in 1998 )
Tfoot wrote:well the latest voting has Dr Intellectual Artillery video down to less than a 14 % approval rating.
As it would be impossible after Dr Carriers deliberate tour de force that anyone could logically disagree with his Bayes argument about atheism plus . Logically Dr Carrier logically concludes that he has logically proved by his logical analysis that 6 out of 7 atheists are immoral woman hating CHUDs who despise compassion, integrity and reason!
Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
Tellingly some of the Atheist Experience gang (who were all probably at the convention if not Dr.C's verbal tour de force) are on FB complaining (again, I think) that people are sending them email about closing comments on their official YT account because they have no way of moderating. I doubt there will be another chance to show the A+ movement what people really think about it via YT, they've learned their lesson.
Whig wrote:
Tellingly some of the Atheist Experience gang (who were all probably at the convention if not Dr.C's verbal tour de force) are on FB complaining (again, I think) that people are sending them email about closing comments on their official YT account because they have no way of moderating. I doubt there will be another chance to show the A+ movement what people really think about it via YT, they've learned their lesson.
AbsurdWalls wrote:If you usually get all of your news from here, you might want to take a look at what is happening in Boston now.
Latest news, 2 confirmed dead, 22 injured in two explosions at the finish line of Boston marathon.
I have a friend who will have been running in it but I think he is fast enough that he would already be finished by the time the bombs went off, hoping he didn't stick around after!
And, as we discussed earlier, I didn’t see you leaping into the breach to stem the onslaught of the horde; you might have had more of a case if you'd done so.
A few points regarding that:
1. I did offer to directly participate way back in one of Nugent's initial posts, but I did not pursue that because I realized that I am too volatile for what it appeared that Nugent was looking for.
2. I also offered to do some editing on proposed posts to the experiment, but after a few days I withdrew that offer because I felt the whole process had slipped, irretreivably, off the rails, and that the most important initial posts were buggered. Having lost interest in the overall process, I felt I would not have the drive or enthusiasm to do a good job, and I thought it was all too late anyway -- fixing a leak after the damn has burst, so to speak.
3. I did post a response to the initial post on Strand 1.
4. Just because someone is not participating directly is no reason to disallow criticism, is it? Wouldn't that be rather, erm, Baboonesque?
Tfoot wrote:well the latest voting has Dr Intellectual Artillery video down to less than a 14 % approval rating.
As it would be impossible after Dr Carriers deliberate tour de force that anyone could logically disagree with his Bayes argument about atheism plus . Logically Dr Carrier logically concludes that he has logically proved by his logical analysis that 6 out of 7 atheists are immoral woman hating CHUDs who despise compassion, integrity and reason!
Seriously though, what was/is carrier thinking. Him staunchly defending atheism plus at this point is like buying a return ticket on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg. Its like saying how great a success you think New Coke is going to be AFTER coke has already withdrawn it from sale. How can anyone whose web gushings so modestly remind us of how smart he is perform a move whose strategical value is comparable to putting his head in a threshing machine.
If he admitted that he might have been wrong his whole self image would probably crumble and he probably go insane. "I've always been right before so how can I be wrong now. It's the world that's wrong, not me! Admit I'm right! Admit I'm right!"
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
And, no, the Slymepit wasn't responsible.
Now now... "Nobody Represents the Slyme Pit. Nobody."
The really suprising thing about Dick Carrier's speech at that meeting was, for a supposed Philosopher, just how incomprehensible and confused it was.
For me, the standout idocies were
"It's Atheism [as opposed to 'Humanism'] which is taking the lead !"
This is a perfect example of a deepity (cf Dan Dennett). If Dick means atheism in quote marks, i.e. that the word is a buzz word at the moment but 'humanism' is old hat, then sure, but who cares ? It's just a word. True but trivial. If, on the other hand, Dick means that there is actually something called atheism, something tangible which exists in the real world, and it's somehow taking the lead in something, then this would be hugely significant, and I'd really want to know about it, but it's up to him to substantiate that it exists and what exactly he's talking about. Second meaning is vague and unsubstantiated (though would be important if it were true). Like any deepity, neither meaning both makes sense and is worth saying, but the combination of the two gives the impression that the speaker is saying something clever.
Second example is the terrible hash he made of this 'Atheist community, secular community, humanist community' nonsense. First he claims that these are three seperate communities, when what they actually are are simply adjectives which describe broad ways of thinking. Then he glibly states 'there is overlap' without giving any explanation of what he means, and finally, he seems to want to overcome his own non-existant and contrived barriers between these so-called communities by 'bringing them together under Atheism Plus' Or some such bloody gibberish !
And the third is this garbage about A+ 'existing 'before the name'. This is the cheapest of tricks. He seems to want us to think (without actually saying it) that anyone who behaved with - what was it - integrity, compassion and reasonableness prior to 2012, was just being 'A+ without the name' so that A+ is, by definition, responsible for all the decency within atheism, presumably since Spinoza and before. But it's worse! He also hints that any decency any of us have ever experienced was because of the activities of the very clique of individuals who now have fenced themselves off under this 'A+' label, working and influencing us 'below the radar'. He even speaks about his host's (as in parisitology) organisation, American Atheists as 'in the forefront of getting it', as if congratulating them for allowing this little clique enough influence to bring decency to what, hitherto must have been an entirely corrupt, venal and unreasonable organisation.
What makes me angry about this little Carrier twerp is how he insults our intelligence by thinking we'll fall for this half-baked drivel. Even for a nanosecond !!!
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
I lived in Beantown for years - watched portions of this being filmed:
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
I lived in Beantown for years - watched portions of this being filmed:
If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
If someone had made a similar speech but removed all the dogma, including a call to exclude a large chunk of atheist activists, is may have been received just fine. It is their dogmatism and attempt to shoe horn a very specific social belief that causes most of the push back. The fact is was so badly delivered and full of erroneous, vague and unsupported assumptions just made it worse. It was very badly uninformed.
Atheism needs to be versatile and that is one of its strengths. People can believe what they want and do what they want. Of course there is an assumption of decency, integrity and equality but despite what Carrier says there is no indication this is an issue past a few trolls who may or may not be part of any 'movement'. If we went the Carrier route it would not only be impossible it would be extremely divisive. We have enough issues with our public image without them making it worse. When people like Adam Lee go onto a Christian broadcast and say the atheist movement has an issue with misogyny it makes me wonder what world he lives in. Carrier gives me the same feeling.
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
Man oh Man. For some reason I find this more shocking than the recent shootings in the US. Probably because the Boston marathon is well known world wide and I know a few runners (I'm another Aussie) who have a dream of running it at least once.
AbsurdWalls wrote:If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
In the '70s pretty much every rubbish bin disappeared from public places in London.
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
I lived in Beantown for years - watched portions of this being filmed:
If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
Obviously, here we finish city marathons in fucking cul-de-sacs out in the middle of bum fuck nowhere. Good to know because I could swear the bins on major city streets are still fucking massive and not see-through.
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
I lived in Beantown for years - watched portions of this being filmed:
If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
Back in the day we had no bins at all in London. I remember the bomb at London Bridge station amongst plenty of others. It went off about 10 minutes before I was due to arrive by train on the same platform and 10 minutes after my girl friend had travelled through. I wish the people of Boston the best as it is all down to a mindless, hateful dogma of some sort of the other. It is hard to fight against that or understand why people are willing to do such an act.
If someone had made a similar speech but removed all the dogma, including a call to exclude a large chunk of atheist activists, is may have been received just fine. It is their dogmatism and attempt to shoe horn a very specific social belief that causes most of the push back. The fact is was so badly delivered and full of erroneous, vague and unsupported assumptions just made it worse. It was very badly uninformed.
Atheism needs to be versatile and that is one of its strengths. People can believe what they want and do what they want. Of course there is an assumption of decency, integrity and equality but despite what Carrier says there is no indication this is an issue past a few trolls who may or may not be part of any 'movement'. If we went the Carrier route it would not only be impossible it would be extremely divisive. We have enough issues with our public image without them making it worse. When people like Adam Lee go onto a Christian broadcast and say the atheist movement has an issue with misogyny it makes me wonder what world he lives in. Carrier gives me the same feeling.
If we waved a magic wand and made everybody atheist overnight people would find another reason to fight. Does anybody remember the red brigade? Also my impression in the 70s about the Palestinian-Israeli conflicts was that it was more about Arabs against Israelis rather than Islam against Judaism. I don't think that anybody thinks that the problems in Northern Ireland were about differences in Christian doctrine rather than Irish resentment about what they saw as British occupation.
Some people on Twitter are reminiscing about how bars in Boston used to fund IRA terrorism in decades past. At the moment there's just a huge cloud of speculation around this that will hopefully settle sooner rather than later. I think people are probably experienced enough to keep a cool head on regarding accusations now.
I lived in Beantown for years - watched portions of this being filmed:
If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
Obviously, here we finish city marathons in fucking cul-de-sacs out in the middle of bum fuck nowhere. Good to know because I could swear the bins on major city streets are still fucking massive and not see-through.
I think it's the ones inside that tend to be transparent.
In the past terrorists have left bombs in bins. The bomb is much less likely to be spotted than an unattended bag and the metal bins provide extra shrapnel that injures people nearby when it detonates. For this reason there are no bins in most railway stations, most airports and many shopping centres in the United Kingdom, or if they are provided they are just a see through bin bag hanging from a metal hoop. An alternative 'bomb-resistant' design, features a plastic inner barrel surrounded by a thick steel outer barrel and a heavy hinged steel lid with a small hole for waste, intended to direct any explosion upwards and contain shrapnel.
Some twat actually thinks this is some kind of ulster unionist recrimination from 30 years ago. The best they've got is some I dunno maybes, hrrrmery and crap about transparent bins less than a day after the incident.
If someone had made a similar speech but removed all the dogma, including a call to exclude a large chunk of atheist activists, is may have been received just fine. It is their dogmatism and attempt to shoe horn a very specific social belief that causes most of the push back. The fact is was so badly delivered and full of erroneous, vague and unsupported assumptions just made it worse. It was very badly uninformed.
Atheism needs to be versatile and that is one of its strengths. People can believe what they want and do what they want. Of course there is an assumption of decency, integrity and equality but despite what Carrier says there is no indication this is an issue past a few trolls who may or may not be part of any 'movement'. If we went the Carrier route it would not only be impossible it would be extremely divisive. We have enough issues with our public image without them making it worse. When people like Adam Lee go onto a Christian broadcast and say the atheist movement has an issue with misogyny it makes me wonder what world he lives in. Carrier gives me the same feeling.
If we waved a magic wand and made everybody atheist overnight people would find another reason to fight. Does anybody remember the red brigade? Also my impression in the 70s about the Palestinian-Israeli conflicts was that it was more about Arabs against Israelis rather than Islam against Judaism. I don't think that anybody thinks that the problems in Northern Ireland were about differences in Christian doctrine rather than Irish resentment about what they saw as British occupation.
It was much more than that in Ireland. It was sold as 'oppression' but at it's basic level it was a sectarian issue. It is fundamentally religious in nature. It still is. There is a reason Scotland has got a vote coming up for independence where Northern Ireland does not. NI has a negative economic and social benefit and always did. So for them to join Ireland would be fine and always was. Unfortunately the majority there do not want that and never did. It is a complex situation made to look simple to get support. In a way it reminds me of SJW's who fit everything the believe through a fixed lens. It is very naive and very simplistic.
cunt wrote:Some twat actually thinks this is some kind of ulster unionist recrimination from 30 years ago. The best they've got is some I dunno maybes, hrrrmery and crap about transparent bins less than a day after the incident.
Fuck off.
What are you on about?
There are some people on Twitter saying it has something to do with them releasing some IRA records in Boston... but there are people on Twitter (including those who are apparently journalists) saying everything (such as "hurr hurr serves you right").
That is tangential to the issue of whether the bomb was in a bin, cases in the past when bombs have been placed in bins (and what decisions were made about bin design on that basis), and how bits of bin can be mistaken for shrapnel deliberately placed in bombs.
I'm on about you. What are you trying to say, because generally people don't go around making statements like ...
If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
.... unless they're actively trying to insinuate something.
cunt wrote:I'm on about you. What are you trying to say, because generally people don't go around making statements like ...
If the bomb was indeed in a rubbish bin then that is quite reminiscent of what the IRA used to do. I assume that's the reason why we have transparent bins in many places in the UK now.
... unless they're actively trying to insinuate something.
Yes:
1) The bomb was in a bin and not strapped to a person.
2) The last time I heard of somebody putting a bomb in a bin it was the IRA doing it.
3) I see a lot of transparent bins (or absences of bins) in public places.
4) 2 and 3 seem likely to be connected.
If I say that the lemon drizzle cake in a local cafe is "reminiscent of what my grandmother used to make" that doesn't mean I suspect they have the reanimated corpse of my grandmother in their kitchens.
Yeah, a bin really is a crazy place to hide a bomb on a public street. If that's where they hid it. Whoever did this.. they really must have studied the troubles in depth. To have thought to hide it in a bin!! Genius, totally not just you bullshitting.
cunt wrote:Yeah, a bin really is a crazy place to hide a bomb on a public street. If that's where they hid it. Whoever did this.. they really must have studied the troubles in depth. To have thought to hide it in a bin!! Genius, totally not just you bullshitting.