karlaporter wrote:Karmakin wrote:Oh. And Vegetarianism/Veganism. I was a Vegitarian myself for a long time. I'm not any more, for health reasons, to be more specific the health of my wife. To be much more specific, there's something in the make-up of my wife's family's genetics that make V/V a VERY bad choice. As in lethally bad. We suspect that one of the big factors in the chronic illness she's been battling for over a decade has been her diet. Since eating meat (for about a year now) she's been recovering in leaps and bounds.
I don't mind the diet, if it works for people, great. I just wish you'd hear more about the potential health risks.
I'm really curious about this. I have been mainly vegan since 1980. When adequate food choices haven't been available due to remote living conditions, travel,etc., I eat vegetarian. I have never had an illness related to a dietary cause, but I understand it can happen. What I question is why lacto/ovo protein doesn't suffice and why full-fledged animal flesh must be consumed to meet special dietary needs. Clearly different animal meat/products contains different amounts of protein. However, I sometimes hear of cases that cannot be managed on lacto/ovo protein and or supplements (depending on what the special dietary requirement is) and haven't ever been able to find anything convincing. Do you have info you can share with me?
A quick search pulls up
http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/n ... n/b12.aspx which seems to be a fairly balanced source, I think.
But generally at the time we were just running off of what life was sending our way and moving from there. Here's the full story. My wife is chronically ill. Chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, all that wonderful stuff. Her family (mother and sister as well) were lacto/ovo (free-range eggs, little milk, but some cheese) for over a decade. MIL after suffering from increasing debilitation over a number of years passed away suddenly..4 years ago? Autopsy was done, inconclusive. ME has no clue why it happened, put down as natural causes. About 2 years later, just before Christmas, my wife's energy level was dropping fast, she was worse than it was ever. Family doctor calls, tells her to come in today, it's an emergency (this isn't done. Ever.), and he needs to see her before the Christmas vacation. She goes in, her B12 is critically low. She probably wouldn't have survived to the New Year. Gives her two shots of B12 supplements, tells her come in every two weeks for a shot and get regular blood work to check her levels.
By New Year's Day her energy levels are well on the way back up. Plateaus in the fall, around New Years (a year later) we decide to try going "natural" I.E add meat into our diet, energy levels start going back up again, and are continuing to go up today.
One more thing to the story. The sister, the one family member with high energy levels, went full vegan after her mom's passing away. Energy level goes down pretty quickly. After both sisters talk about it, decides to reintroduce meat into the diet, energy levels start going back up.
It's all anecdotal to be sure. And I'm fully aware of the placebo effect and all that. But at the end of the day, the story is convincing to me, as I lived it.
Note:Astute readers might notice the similarity to
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1728051 which got a lot of traction a few years ago. In fact, I did too. I read it and always wondered if there was something to it.
Then it got shoved straight down my throat.