Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

[AndrewV69]

It is fascinating to look at different styles and see how they approach similar issues.

Oh do carry on then. I promise I will not say another word.

[welch]

One day, people will be able to have a discussion about martial arts, or fighting styles, without someone using some variation of "I just shoot the fucker, hur-hur."

Today however, is not that day.

Lol.

However, as I have actually have had real life experiences of people who gave a really good impressions of trying to kill me, and seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

And that includes not getting into a fight in the first place.

that is my recommendation to new students on the best way to block an attack. Don't let things escalate.

[Mykeru]

Dropping this here, more for me for later viewing (and some might find interesting).

#cornwell
#evopsych

[pootube]_0oOJcocvUg[/pootube]

Very good, engaging and approachable speaker.

Sent you a PM on that.

Thanx! She's also on board of Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science. I thought she actually was a Evo Psych, then looked for it, but couldn't find it (so she probably is not), but found the obscure video instead.

Well, what she does do seems at least on the fringes of evo-psych and makes her far more qualified to comment on the validity of it than the usual Watson-trained clown car. Then again, so would the janitor ar CONvergence.

[welch]

I do not know how to fight without hurting someone myself, and seeing as it does not take much for me to see red (pinkish misty actually) I avoid fights. I do not even spar.

My preference is to just shoot you at 100+ yards. That seems to work quite well.

One day, people will be able to have a discussion about martial arts, or fighting styles, without someone using some variation of "I just shoot the fucker, hur-hur."

Today however, is not that day.

Pity.

It is fascinating to look at different styles and see how they approach similar issues.

I do rather enjoy that. It's nice to compare things without it degenerating into "My Kung Fu is better than your Karate". Which, luckily, i've not had to deal with much. Every style brings something interesting to the table, and I learn quite a bit from my conversations with others.

[Badger3k]

Wu Wei:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei

That's it. Thanks.

[katamari Damassi]

Whenever the whole subject of veganism comes up I always recommend The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith. It explores the reasons why people adopt extreme vegetarianism(moral, health, environmental) and why those reasons are wrong. She's an ex-vegan herself and has been physically assaulted and shouted down by groups of vegans when on speaking tours.
I apologize if I've been belaboring this.

Any mention of the Weston A Price Foundation is a red flag;
http://www.theveganrd.com/2010/09/revie ... -myth.html

The reasons for diet are way too OT to deal with here, but Messing hints at some of the issues in that review.

I've got a pdf copy of the book open. Am skimming the bibliography. Some references that immediately struck my eye:

-5 (URL) references to wikipedia entries
-1 (URL) reference to "Google Answers"
-2 (URL) references to Weston A Price articles
-5 (URL) references to articles on mercola.com, which describes itself as "The World's #1 Natural Health Website"
-1 (URL) reference to an article on a site called "Beyond Vegetarianism"
-1 (URL) reference to an article on "Bill's Excellent Blog"
-1 (URL) reference to a skeptic.com article
-1 (URL) reference to an article(?) @ http://hometown.aol.com/xcolumn/myhomepage/
-1 (URL) reference to faqs.org
-A bunch of references to other pop health/science books
-Several references to anti-porn feminist writings, including Andrea Dworkin (no idea how this fits in??)

Oh and I found this fun passage:

That endless struggle for power results in men committing brutal and violating acts as a matter of course. Psychological profiles of rapists have found “that they are ‘ordinary’ and ‘normal’ men who sexually assault women in order to assert power and control over them.” We need to be questioning ordinary, normal men and masculinity. Battering is the most common violent crime in the US, committed once every fifteen seconds. It’s one of the leading causes of injury and death to women in the US. A Canadian survey found that four out of five female undergraduates had been victims of violence in a dating relationship. The World Health Organization estimates that “one in four women will be raped, beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime, sometimes with fatal consequences.” Anything happening on this scale is clearly normal, a part of everyday life, the behavior into which a global culture of male dominance is socializing men as a matter of course.

The real brilliance of patriarchy is that it sexualizes acts of oppression. For the perpetrators, violation and brutality lead to arousal. In any other circumstance, the same acts would be recognized as hateful. Witness Abu Ghraib. When men are stripped, put in postures of submission, and then photographed, the power is obvious, the oppression clear, and the world is outraged. Meanwhile, women and girls are bought, sold, raped, and displayed as a matter of course, and the world can’t get enough. There are entire countries balancing their budgets on sex trafficking.

Keith, Lierre. The Vegetarian Myth. p. 261

I don't think this is the book for me.

I should've mentioned that she's also a radfem, but that has very little to do with the topic it's her personal story which might account for some of those references.

[Badger3k]

There's people spending a holiday listening to a panel with PZ, Svan, Greg Laden and Amanda Marcotte giving an evopsych talk? I think I'd have more intellectual stimulation by sticking firecrackers up my ass and lighting them.

And you'd probably go viral on YouTube.

Maybe that one atheist guy has already done this. Sounds like it's up his...alley.

[Kareem]

Fine, fine... ye of little faith

So I watched the video on Youtube and...
Why are there other videos about taking elevator rides in Dublin? Even Dublin, Ohio? Is there something I'm missing?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

That's *an* elevator...but is it *the* elevator?

Isn't there a CSI technique where you spray some chemical then shine blue light to detect stuff? Would it work on 2 year old becca-splooge?

[AndrewV69]

Seeing as Morsi/Egypt came up recently I thought I would just drop these off here:

15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You'll Never See In Legacy Media. #Egypt #Morsi #Obama
http://directorblue.blogspot.ca/2013/07 ... tests.html

Here is a sample:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-qkeWcCGDZ0Y/UdItU ... pt-054.jpg

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

ANDREWV69 spunked: My preference is to just shoot you at 100+ yards. That seems to work quite well.

ANDREWV69 spunked: However,...seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

Andrew, were you banned because when the instructor announced "Sparring time!", you ran out the door, across the street, broke into an empty house, sprinted up the stairs, found a bedroom which overlooked the Dojo, began assembling the sniper rifle which you had stashed there earlier, screwed on the sight, adjusted for wind and humidity, and shot your sparring partner in the head?

Martial arts instructors hate that shit. The paperwork is endless.

[Garlic]

I think I saw Richard Sanderson on twitter saying that there would be some kind of walkout on the event hashtag.

Judging from his twitter, he's now saying that the walkout did take place and involved more than one persons.

https://twitter.com/RichSandersen

Looks like they failed to make an impression.

Otherwise, I'm confused by people who accept that our moral sense did emerge from evolution (as opposed to being planted there by $Divinity_of_choice), but who are adamant that there can't be such a thing as evolutionary psychology. If morality is not psychology, then what is?

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I think I saw Richard Sanderson on twitter saying that there would be some kind of walkout on the event hashtag.

Judging from his twitter, he's now saying that the walkout did take place and involved more than one persons.

https://twitter.com/RichSandersen

Looks like they failed to make an impression.

Otherwise, I'm confused by people who accept that our moral sense did emerge from evolution (as opposed to being planted there by $Divinity_of_choice), but who are adamant that there can't be such a thing as evolutionary psychology. If morality is not psychology, then what is?

He suggested people walk out on Meyers if they were inspired by the Egyptian...coup, or whatever we're calling it. What a fucking slug.

[AndrewV69]

ANDREWV69 spunked: My preference is to just shoot you at 100+ yards. That seems to work quite well.

ANDREWV69 spunked: However,...seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

Andrew, were you banned because when the instructor announced "Sparring time!", you ran out the door, across the street, broke into an empty house, sprinted up the stairs, found a bedroom which overlooked the Dojo, began assembling the sniper rifle which you had stashed there earlier, screwed on the sight, adjusted for wind and humidity, and shot your sparring partner in the head?

Haha funny ...

Martial arts instructors hate that shit. The paperwork is endless.

Specifically, I was banned for choking. I am not going to go into details, but yes there could very easily have been a lot of paperwork.

[Kareem]

I think I saw Richard Sanderson on twitter saying that there would be some kind of walkout on the event hashtag.

Judging from his twitter, he's now saying that the walkout did take place and involved more than one persons.

https://twitter.com/RichSandersen

Looks like they failed to make an impression.

Otherwise, I'm confused by people who accept that our moral sense did emerge from evolution (as opposed to being planted there by $Divinity_of_choice), but who are adamant that there can't be such a thing as evolutionary psychology. If morality is not psychology, then what is?

They think no one will spot them putting their brand of feminism ahead of skepticism. I think we all know women caring for children or men wanting to be strong has little to do with patriarchy and more to do with us being mammals. Acknowledging that doesn't mean all women have to be barefoot and pregnant or that all men have to be hetero-meatheads.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

http://i.imgur.com/bs4I5C1.png

Is this a declaration of physical assault, or the name of a cocktail? Either way, seems to me that these cunts have some fucking nerve in lecturing others about "safe spaces".

[mikelf]

You cannot force a seed to grow, Grasshopper. You can only continue your life's journey and hope that someday, when you return, that it has borne fruit.

So, you don't have an example then?

What you seek, young Padawan, is all around you, but Pride hath blinded you to its discernment. You have been granted two ears and only one mouth so that you may listen twice as much as you talk. Similarly, you have two eyes, yet only type with one hand, so that you may read twice as much as you write.

[JackSkeptic]

Aneris -- "On which floor was Watson staying?"

I dont know, but the O'Callahan Alexander has only 5 floors.

I as going to check that. But the lift seems to be for 5 floors so that blows my cunning plan to catch Justin out. Oh, in the UK and I assume Ireland the second floor is called the first floor. The first floor is the ground floor.

[JackSkeptic]

Aneris -- "On which floor was Watson staying?"

I dont know, but the O'Callahan Alexander has only 5 floors.

DPRJones of the Magic Sandwich fame (youtube show ft. himslef, tf00t and aron ra) claims he was there that night. He further claims he was talking to her that night just before she went to bed. He said she was staying on the 2nd floor.

I think he got that wrong as it was the night before.

Anyway as everyone knows her 'guys don't do that' was fine. It was her publicly trying to humiliate a female student as part of her talk, just for disagreeing with her, that showed what a vicious person she was. The elevator thing somehow got entangled in the mess.

[Parody Accountant]

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LOL'd at violent warlords. Good shit. Been meaning to track down a decent performance.

[sacha]

To me, atheism is a-theism...without theism...without a belief that god(s) exist. No belief required. No "denials" required.

Note my qualifier, "to me". YMMV. I think that how one views their own atheism has a lot to do with who they debate against. (In addition to how they arrived at their own atheism). For me, it's people who want to insist that atheism is just another religion. No, sorry, I'm stopping that claim right from the get go. Atheism isn't even a belief, it's the absence of a particular belief. And if you want to know how that argument has worked for me, well it's worked great. Atheism is mainstream. You're all welcome! (in all honesty I give credit to the internet, people don't feel like they are the only atheist anymore) We've already won on the atheism awareness front. To me, going back to the debate on atheism is a belief, is taking many steps backwards.

I'll also say that for me, my atheism, is something I "know". I know fairies don't exist. I know the invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage doesn't exist. I just apply that same logic towards gods. YMMV.

You can't know something without also believing it. Knowledge is a subset of belief.

I'm not convinced that atheism is a "belief".
Knowledge is TRUE, JUSTIFIED belief, so saying knowledge is a subset of belief is as true as saying living the good life is a subset of having a pulse.

[Tribble]

LOL
Her are all the panelists:
http://lanyrd.com/2013/skepchickcon/sckpgr/
Same old, same old.

The career fields are:

Biological Anthropologist; Writer; Political blogger;-Opera Singer-Neuroscientist; Biology professor


When it comes to Evo-Psychology, two out of the five couldn't find water in a lake. Of the three remaining, none of them have any real professional qualifications in the field and are unlikely (despite their beliefs to the contrary) have anything more than a layman's understanding of Evo-Psych.

Yet they're going to tell people 'what to watch out for...' Fuck me, Ray Bradbury...

[Tribble]

I wonder how PZ would react if a panel on evolution had no biologists?

No, not 'no biologists' but people who are on record as opposed to the concept of evolution. Because gender feminism is opposed to evo-psych on the grounds that there can be no legitimate differences in men and women therefore patriarchy whenever men do better at certain things than women.

[JackSkeptic]

It looks like the problems at SIN have resolved. I left this on Loftus'. We'll see how he takes it.

he also ignores the reality for millions that Atheism isn't some thing they came to after a life of being a theist, but rather, just how they grew up. It's no more a deliberate decision for them than liking a sunny or rainy day.

I see this "atheism is a deliberate decision made via reasoning blahblah" amongst the converted, who, after arriving at atheism only after some form of journey, seem to think there is no possibility that there was an indigenous population.

It is entirely possible, and indeed, millions of people are, to be an atheist just because that's how they were raised. This statement:

Atheism is based on evidence and reasoning that it’s probable no supernatural beings exist.

may be true for many people, especially in the USA, but as put forth by loftus, with the implication that this is how ALL atheists are, is just bullshit.

I think that you hit on a really important point. SJW's seems to be mainly a US issue and there is a natural assumption that many atheists there did come to it through some logical thought processes. At least the ones who are now activists seem to. In other countries (well mine, as I know it) this is simply untrue. Many came to it as they can't be bothered with it or due to low exposure to it at all. So they never were religious at all. Logical thought processes never came into it. I do find some atheist activists incredibly parochial and relay far too much on personal experience, I suspect as they have spent so long believing crap so they have little real life experience to draw on.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

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Did this ignorant cunt not think about how many people (s)he would be triggering with this childish shit?

http://i.imgur.com/xt9pK86.png

[16bitheretic]

http://i.imgur.com/bs4I5C1.png

It is just that I am a very large, muscular man with martial arts training who never goes anywhere without my pit bull, and I always carry a gun. I am also famous for kicking ass, generally.

Not that I'm necessarily saying that the presence of a very large, muscular, self-proclaimed kicker of asses with a pitbull, a gun, a rape switch, a testosterone damaged brain and martial arts prowess (over nine thousand!) at the conference means he's the culprit, I'm just saying that he is there, in person, at the venue, and he has not publicly denounced the punching....so draw your own conclusions! ;)

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

.

I can't see how it would mater to you, as you're thumbing out yet another boring tweet:

http://i.imgur.com/4D5iJsE.png

[Mykeru]

Loftus is basically trying to make angels out of atheists to increase SIN's and therefore his standing with certain groups.

Loftus spent years as an evangelical perhaps because he believed it, but it had the happy accidental effect of allowing him to think he was more moral than everyone else. Subsequent to his deconversion he wrote and debated from the position that his secularism was morally superior. Perhaps that left him kind of empty so, lucky him, he found a new way to express his moral superiority.

He's not making arguments, only offering conclusions because his thesis is and was, "I'm more moral than you are".

Ego.

[Tribble]

There's people spending a holiday listening to a panel with PZ, Svan, Greg Laden and Amanda Marcotte giving an evopsych talk? I think I'd have more intellectual stimulation by sticking firecrackers up my ass and lighting them.

And you'd probably go viral on YouTube.

I'd give it an upvote!!!

[Aneris]

Well, what she [Elizabeth Cornwell] does do seems at least on the fringes of evo-psych and makes her far more qualified to comment on the validity of it than the usual Watson-trained clown car. Then again, so would the janitor ar CONvergence.

Zvan, Marcotte or Laden — I genuinely never read anything interesting by them. Which is probably not a shocking revelation.

Was checking out how many commentes Marcotte gets, and came across her latest article. I'm Pro-Choice just to be clear, but I find interesting how Gawker's version get's translated for Marcotte's audience ("Silent Mansplaining"). Also compare comments. Gawker's report indicates disapproval, but is otherwise factual. For Marcotte, the dude is an "asshole" with some assumed motivations (we don't know them). Commenters on Gawker make valid points, Marcotte's 2nd commenter (right now, Disqus etc.) already writes "... widespread illiteracy is incompatible with modernity and democracy. That is why we are now switching gears to third world style misogyny, unashamed racism and widespread militarist genocides".

[Mykeru]

Aneris -- "On which floor was Watson staying?"

I dont know, but the O'Callahan Alexander has only 5 floors.

DPRJones of the Magic Sandwich fame (youtube show ft. himslef, tf00t and aron ra) claims he was there that night. He further claims he was talking to her that night just before she went to bed. He said she was staying on the 2nd floor.

I think he got that wrong as it was the night before.

Anyway as everyone knows her 'guys don't do that' was fine. It was her publicly trying to humiliate a female student as part of her talk, just for disagreeing with her, that showed what a vicious person she was. The elevator thing somehow got entangled in the mess.

That's because as soon as she was called out on her treatment of Stef McGraw the uncomfortable elevator encounter morphed to a near-rape so people criticizing her could be depicted as rape-apologists.

[Hunt]

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[sacha]

Sacha, my love, I hate disagreeing with you as you are and will always be one of my favourite 'net peoples, but as for many partners leading to being good in bed, I have to say that I am one of those folks that thinks that is not true.

I've had partners who have had very, very active sex lives with lots and lots of partners, and they were lousy in bed. And as for myself, I too have had lots and lots of partners -- ex-pro musician that I am -- but with the exception of cunning cunilingual skills, I am a pretty darned lousy lay.

So there.

:P

I don't believe you are a lousy lay. prove it

In my experience, the number of partners has been a very good measure of what I consider to be "skilled" sexually. There are many things that contribute to this. Lack of embarrassment/shyness, lack of hesitation, experience, ability to read response accurately, as I've said before, they know what they like, they know what they want...

It is not only anecdote, but also what I like sexually is certainly not for everyone, I'd say I'm in the small minority, so is it that those with high numbers that I've had experience with knew what I like, from experience, or did they just like the same things? I've asked, and apparently they all have liked the same things, including the lack of embarrassment/shyness, lack of hesitation, experience, ability to read response accurately that comes along with my experience as well.

I've never had great sex with someone who had a low number count, or even an average number count. ever.

as I've said YMMV, but for me, I want a partner with a very high number count. I'd rather go without than have mediocre sex.

[sacha]

JackSkeptic said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 66#p107366):

Just to clarify, atheism is a belief. The belief that a particular god claim or claims are not true.

No, no, no.

I do not hold the belief that there are no gods. I simply do not believe in gods, and never have. Ahteism is not a belief system; it is a lack of belief in a belief system.

The distinction might be subtle, but it is important.

agreed

[Mykeru]

In my experience, the number of partners has been a very good measure of what I consider to be "skilled" sexually. There are many things that contribute to this. Lack of embarrassment/shyness, lack of hesitation, experience, ability to read response accurately, as I've said before, they know what they like, they know what they want...

It is not only anecdote, but also what I like sexually is certainly not for everyone, I'd say I'm in the small minority, so is it that those with high numbers that I've had experience with knew what I like, from experience, or did they just like the same things? I've asked, and apparently they all have liked the same things, including the lack of embarrassment/shyness, lack of hesitation, experience, ability to read response accurately that comes along with my experience as well.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2075064576/h49EA6F6B/

[Pitchguest]

So Ophelia gives another attempt to prove rape jokes are not only bad, but also cause rape.

She links to this article by the Daily Dot, and it is ...

http://www.dailydot.com/news/kurt-metzg ... ady-doyle/

... one of the most misrepresented, strawmen riddled messes I've ever read.

Just read it. You know already by the inclusion of Lindy West that it's going to be bad, but it's really bad. (I also feel I should add that this Kurt Metzger mentioned in the article sounds like a right cunt, but not a rapist, and to prove rape jokes are not correlated to rape someone in the comment section references Vince Champ -- known for his "clean" act -- who raped multiple women and is now in prison for the rest of his life.) Someone from the usual suspects also makes a cameo appearance.

[sacha]

Badger3k:

Those kinds of deities are just "weaker" conceptions designed to circumvent premises in pro-atheism arguments (simple example: If god exists, then evil does not exist). If you allow this, you're admitting such premises are false, and you might as well be a theist.

Yeah, maybe there is some sort of being that doesn't give a shit and leaves absolutely no evidence, be it physical, logical, or otherwise. But not only do I reject such beings on the basis of their complete ad-hocness, they wouldn't be deities anyway.

[Linus]

I should've mentioned that she's also a radfem, but that has very little to do with the topic it's her personal story which might account for some of those references.

Oh, I wouldn't criticize a book on the basis that the author is a radfem. But I might criticize a book on the basis that it argues for radfem ideas when they have very little to do with the topic.

As far as the personal story aspect of the book goes, this passage (p. 238) is a doozy:

I had been separated from the Lord a vegan over half my life. I bought a bible can of tuna fish.

I sat at my kitchen table with the bible a plastic fork. I didn’t use my cool reading accessories silverware or my dishes. I opened the book can. How could I actually do this? I broke it down into the tiniest steps. Pick up the book fork. Put the book fork in front of your face the tuna. I was so desperate. Pain was the inhabitant of my soul body, and I was only the shadow it cast. Moves your eyes across the words Lift the fork toward you. I had come to the end. Open your heart mouth. And I was so, so tired.

I opened my heart to the Lord ate it.

I don’t know how to describe what happened next. “I felt like I was coming out of a coma,” one ex-atheist ex-vegan told me. “It was like being plugged into a low-voltage battery,” another friend said. I could feel every cell in my body—literally, every cell—pulsing. And finally, finally being freed from the weight of my sins fed.

Oh, god, I thought: this is what it feels like to be saved alive.

I put my head down and sobbed.

;)

[Wonderist]

Stunt Whisperer, a reply for you: viewtopic.php?p=107752#p107752

[Linus]

Is that an evolutionary psychology panel with zero evolutionary psychologists on it?

But, you do know that evolutionary psychology is not a science, it is a pseudoscience, so why should they have someone who knows the subject? There is nothing to know, of course, so everyone and no one is an expert. That's why the Sainted Becca of the Elevator can pronounce it all shite, and dismiss all criticism as the hatred of misogynists.

Guise, can we get some astrologists on the astrology panel plz!?

[some guy]

This was just posted about CONvergence (SkepchickCon)
Any thoughts?


http://i.imgur.com/gfYKFed.png

Here are the panel speakers:
http://ow.ly/i/2wSPo

LOL
Her are all the panelists:
http://lanyrd.com/2013/skepchickcon/sckpgr/
Same old, same old.

What? A FTB panel on evo psych and they didn't put their resident expert Rebecca Watson (someone who does active research in the field) on the panel?

(Hopefully they at least discussed her work)

[Wonderist]

Lol.

However, as I have actually have had real life experiences of people who gave a really good impressions of trying to kill me, and seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

And that includes not getting into a fight in the first place.

that is my recommendation to new students on the best way to block an attack. Don't let things escalate.

Oh, here we go! welch is going to lecture us all on his oh so masterful *technique* to block attacks and avoid escalation! Just what we fucking need. Another blowhard know-it-all. STFU, welch, and let the *real* internet tough guys deal with this.

[Wonderist]

You cannot force a seed to grow, Grasshopper. You can only continue your life's journey and hope that someday, when you return, that it has borne fruit.

So, you don't have an example then?

What you seek, young Padawan, is all around you, but Pride hath blinded you to its discernment. You have been granted two ears and only one mouth so that you may listen twice as much as you talk. Similarly, you have two eyes, yet only type with one hand, so that you may read twice as much as you write.

So, that's a, "No," then?

[Metalogic42]

Badger3k:

Those kinds of deities are just "weaker" conceptions designed to circumvent premises in pro-atheism arguments (simple example: If god exists, then evil does not exist). If you allow this, you're admitting such premises are false, and you might as well be a theist.

Yeah, maybe there is some sort of being that doesn't give a shit and leaves absolutely no evidence, be it physical, logical, or otherwise. But not only do I reject such beings on the basis of their complete ad-hocness, they wouldn't be deities anyway.

And?

[Pitchguest]

This was just posted about CONvergence (SkepchickCon)
Any thoughts?


http://i.imgur.com/gfYKFed.png

Here are the panel speakers:
http://ow.ly/i/2wSPo

LOL
Her are all the panelists:
http://lanyrd.com/2013/skepchickcon/sckpgr/
Same old, same old.

So that's four people who've previously completely discounted the field of evolutionary psychology, and not just "pop." I've never heard of Indre Viskontas before, but a brief read in her biography tells me she's a neuroscientist. (Maybe she can get Laden straight on his 'men are women damaged by testosterone' malarky. [I'm not holding my breath.]) So that's zero people with expertise in evolutionary psychology on a panel about evolutionary psychology, and the subject is, "How can you spot the BS?" Well, apparently all you have to have is a degree in Communications and be called Rebecca Watson and you're right as rain.

:hankey:

[welch]

.

I can't see how it would mater to you, as you're thumbing out yet another boring tweet:

http://i.imgur.com/4D5iJsE.png

"Luckily, I'm fucking around on twitter instead of paying attention"

[welch]

Lol.

However, as I have actually have had real life experiences of people who gave a really good impressions of trying to kill me, and seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

And that includes not getting into a fight in the first place.

that is my recommendation to new students on the best way to block an attack. Don't let things escalate.

Oh, here we go! welch is going to lecture us all on his oh so masterful *technique* to block attacks and avoid escalation! Just what we fucking need. Another blowhard know-it-all. STFU, welch, and let the *real* internet tough guys deal with this.

Of course, dear. You're right again, as always, dear.

[Pitchguest]

ANDREWV69 spunked: My preference is to just shoot you at 100+ yards. That seems to work quite well.

ANDREWV69 spunked: However,...seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

Andrew, were you banned because when the instructor announced "Sparring time!", you ran out the door, across the street, broke into an empty house, sprinted up the stairs, found a bedroom which overlooked the Dojo, began assembling the sniper rifle which you had stashed there earlier, screwed on the sight, adjusted for wind and humidity, and shot your sparring partner in the head?

Haha funny ...

Martial arts instructors hate that shit. The paperwork is endless.

Specifically, I was banned for choking. I am not going to go into details, but yes there could very easily have been a lot of paperwork.

Did your martial arts training look like this?

[youtube]KGL_vNtelrM[/youtube]

[sacha]

OK, so, I'm a weak atheist. Big shmoo. I have never believed in god or gods, so I have never felt the need to approach my atheism from some point of research requiring a belief that there are no gods. If that's intellectual cowardice, so be it.

I think what I am trying to say is that because I have never believed in god or gods, I have never thought very much about my atheism, neither from an intellectual perspective, nor from a rhetorical perspective, nor from a "Do I beleive or do I not believe" perspective. It just isn't that important to me, so I tend to not think about it very much all, and I certainly do not work on it or analyze it through research or whatnot ... why would I? I am not a proselytizing atheist. I am simply a quiet, introspective, died-in-the-wool life-long atheist who rarely even thinks about it.

So, perhaps it actually boils down to a system of belief and I do believe that there are no gods, but I do not look at it as a point of belief because I hardly ever think about it in the first place (don't systems of belief require some kind of constant tending to maintain? Maybe not. I don't know). And if that's the case, then I am just exhibiting some degree of lack of self awareness, or something like that. And I do not see that as anything particularly important, in this specific instance, either.

Weak atheist; intellectual coward; whatever floats your boat. It makes no difference to me how you percieve my beliefs or lack thereof. As I say, it is not something I even think about very much, except perhaps when I get into discussions about it with believers, which is in itself something I tend to a avoid as much as possible anyway.

I have the same experience with atheism as you do. I don't think that makes one a weak atheist. I'd say lifelong-dyed-in-the-wool makes one as atheist as one could be.

[sacha]

Anyone who starts a physically violent fight, no matter whether it's a slap or punch, should expect that the other person will likely use stronger violence (in order to defeat their attacker). Escalation is natural when in a physical fight.

it's why you don't get physical unless you are prepared to get hospitalized or worse. It is extremely hard to predict someone else's reaction to physical assault. They may shrug it off, it may trip something they weren't really aware of and the don't stop until they can't move. It's why even a "measured" response to a physical attack, if running like hell isn't an option, is ensuring the other person is not able to attack you further.

How you get to that point is usually the tricky part. But once you hit someone, suddenly deciding their are rules on "how you hit back"? Well, maybe you should have thought of that before you hit someone.

Yes, if a person begins physical violence, they are in no position to decide that what they get in return must follow some sort of assumed set of rules.

that was the point - being physically abusive without any fear of retaliation.

from the women at Jezebel.com (tip of the hat to the illustrious Dr. Snark) demonstrating how unrepentantly violent they really are, and how much they seem to enjoy it.

Senior writer Tracie Egan Morrissey penned the article, which addresses research findings reported in Psychiatric News that, “In fact, when it comes to nonreciprocal violence between intimate partners, women are more often the perpetrators.”

Morrissey reacted to that oft ignored reality, after a query of her female readers for those who have beaten their boyfriends, with the following:

“…well, let’s just say it would be wise never to fuck with us.”

And of course the comment section that follows the article backs up her pro abuse attitude toward men. It is replete with women regaling us with stories of how they kicked, hit, smashed and bloodied their boyfriends for doing the sometimes annoying things that men do. One women reported that she punched her ex in the face for having the audacity to get another girlfriend after they broke up.

That’s it. In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women - to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

You know, we used to have a name for people who only hit those that they knew wouldn’t fight back.

Bullies.

and I still do not have an issue with this article, and I still do not find it misogynistic.

[Lsuoma]

ANDREWV69 spunked: My preference is to just shoot you at 100+ yards. That seems to work quite well.

ANDREWV69 spunked: However,...seeing as I have actually been banned from from a marital arts club, I am going to stick with what I know best.

Andrew, were you banned because when the instructor announced "Sparring time!", you ran out the door, across the street, broke into an empty house, sprinted up the stairs, found a bedroom which overlooked the Dojo, began assembling the sniper rifle which you had stashed there earlier, screwed on the sight, adjusted for wind and humidity, and shot your sparring partner in the head?

Martial arts instructors hate that shit. The paperwork is endless.

Post of the Year, so far.

[Lsuoma]

There's people spending a holiday listening to a panel with PZ, Svan, Greg Laden and Amanda Marcotte giving an evopsych talk? I think I'd have more intellectual stimulation by sticking firecrackers up my ass and lighting them.

And you'd probably go viral on YouTube.

I'd give it an upvote!!!

16bit, can you do this?

http://www.teamjimmyjoe.com/wp-content/ ... ce-Day.jpg

[Wonderist]

Of course, dear. You're right again, as always, dear.

Quit following me around the internet, stalker.

[Parody Accountant]

http://otakujournalist.com/wp-content/u ... /whut2.jpg

If only you guys understood Oklahoma rhyme lang... post of the year.

smdh fml you only yolo once.

[BarnOwl]

16bit, can you do this?

http://www.teamjimmyjoe.com/wp-content/ ... ce-Day.jpg

:lol: BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAA!!!11!!

PHYSEEEKSSS??? EEET EEES OVER MAH HED.

[AndrewV69]

So Ophelia gives another attempt to prove rape jokes are not only bad, but also cause rape.

She links to this article by the Daily Dot, and it is ...

http://www.dailydot.com/news/kurt-metzg ... ady-doyle/

... one of the most misrepresented, strawmen riddled messes I've ever read.

Just read it. You know already by the inclusion of Lindy West that it's going to be bad, but it's really bad. (I also feel I should add that this Kurt Metzger mentioned in the article sounds like a right cunt, but not a rapist, and to prove rape jokes are not correlated to rape someone in the comment section references Vince Champ -- known for his "clean" act -- who raped multiple women and is now in prison for the rest of his life.) Someone from the usual suspects also makes a cameo appearance.

Well it does look like a hot mess. I bailed before I go to the comments though.

[CommanderTuvok]

At Black Svan's cesspit of shit, she has a picture of the latest ANTI-HARASSMENT poster for Convergence, or whatever shit it is.

http://i.imgur.com/Q0cP6Ym.jpg

WTF?

So remember peeps, COSTUMES ARE NOT CONSENT!!! More brilliant advice from your favourite Baboons.

[sacha]

I trained in Silat (bela diri), which is great for guerilla fighting or street defence, but not so good in sport fighting. I spent my first and only kick boxing fight worrying about hurting my opponent, i.e. restricting myself to bludgeoning attacks rather than breaking joints or stoving in his larynx.

I do not know how to fight without hurting someone myself, and seeing as it does not take much for me to see red (pinkish misty actually) I avoid fights. I do not even spar.

My preference is to just shoot you at 100+ yards. That seems to work quite well.

pinkish mist -

[CommanderTuvok]

Remember Baboons - if you have sex after consuming even a small amount of whiskey, you're a RAPIST!

PS - I can imagine Rebecca Watson going round with funnel in her gob, while whiskeys are poured down her dirty throat.

[Badger3k]

Oh, here we go! welch is going to lecture us all on his oh so masterful *technique* to block attacks and avoid escalation! Just what we fucking need. Another blowhard know-it-all. STFU, welch, and let the *real* internet tough guys deal with this.

Luckily I read this twice this time. Skimming while watching my dogs caused me to read that as "block attacks and avoid ejaculation" - :o I thought this was a new way to combine the martial arts and sexual experience threads together. Although, if you do that, you can also add the rape joke thread and have a trifecta.