Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:40 pm
lol, i'm scared. Mykeru's going to throw a bullet at me.
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One thing Cunt can do is wind up aged ex-forces Americans suffering from an untreated abundance of testosterone and bullets.Lsuoma wrote:Don't think the split was perfect. But hey, neither is cunt.
Yeah, those who so science, please turn the life of this useless sack of lard better. Pretty please.BarnOwl wrote: PeeZus Christ, they do suffer for the social justice cause!
Also, Greágol is awesome. :mrgreen:
Hey, haven't you read that paper from that Russian guy, Nabokov or something? It's all true, those young whores are evil. Poor ingenuos 30+ year-old men.cunt wrote:Here's a good one from Andrews favourite website. Did you know that 13 year olds can be slutbag whores too? Most of them probably are. Did you know that if you find a de-motivational poster that somebody has photoshopped the words "jailbait" into that the girl is to blame? Well, let's get Judgy on these bitches.
http://judgybitch.com/2013/05/13/lolita ... new-thing/
D'oh! I totally missed the boat on that: you were Yoryor. Duh, sorry! But well fucking done indeed, treestump!Wonderist wrote:Wow, whoever Yoryor is: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... a-sponsor/
Well fucking done!
Haha! Both Meyers and Opheliar bitching about their flights not being perfect. Can someone pop over to A+Theism and alert Setar of this grave social injustice being perpetrated against middle class white people? I bet if Crommunist was on one of those flights, there'd be no problem (well, subsequent to him being shifted around the cabin to find the sweet spot where his grotesquely fat ass didn't interfere with the flight physics).BarnOwl wrote: PeeZus Christ, they do suffer for the social justice cause!
Also, Greágol is awesome. :mrgreen:
Oh bless your heart, you're pulling out the "big guns" now? "HE'S LETTING IT BECOME A SLIMMMMMMME PIT" What's next, the Marc Lepine analogy? You should wait on that one, because shooting your wad too soon never works out well.
You're not being harassed, it's just that unlike on sites where you control the delete button, no one is rolling over and showing you their throat because The Queen Is Not Amused. That's not harassment. It's commenting on a site you are in no way, shape, nor form compelled to read or even acknowledge.
Here's the trick, (and I am somewhat impressed that I must explain this to a supposedly grown adult. Well, more de- than im-, but definitely pressed: If a comment thread isn't going the way you like, don't engage with it, don't subscribe to it, don't read it.
You know, do that thing you tell all the eeeeeeevil pitters who are so totes upset about things said at FTB:
"Don't like it? don't read it"
Funny how it's such good advice you cannot help but ignore it.
Hahahahahahahahaha!! Fuck you, Ophelia!CommanderTuvok wrote: Awwww, poor Ophelia. While millions are out of work, white, privileged middle class twerp Benson moans about her seating arrangements. What's the betting she's in first class - she wouldn't want to be sitting next to any smelly people now, would she?
I really don't get the "no bad words about me can exist anywhere" thing. If someone is harassing you, wouldn't it be smarter not to have any contact with them instead of replying to a comment they made about you to someone else?Skep tickle wrote:Woo hoo, new thread.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013 ... are-jerks/
lol, Zvan trying to make JT moderate his blog to her liking, and telling everyone who doesn't kowtow to fuck off.
JT seems to have upvoted most of the comments (so far) except Zvan's.
:popcorn:
Re people picking up on what they think is a claim that SocraticGadfly has been harassing Zvan for 2.5 yrs - anyone know of any truth to that? I find one prior mention of her on his blog from last year (also the "married" thing) but that's it.
It isn't *actually* about harassment (as I'm sure you're aware, just stating the obvious), it's about *silencing dissent*. Yes, to silence dissent you need to erase it from everywhere and/or make the places where it exists absolutely taboo.Kareem wrote:I really don't get the "no bad words about me can exist anywhere" thing. If someone is harassing you, wouldn't it be smarter not to have any contact with them instead of replying to a comment they made about you to someone else?Skep tickle wrote:Woo hoo, new thread.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013 ... are-jerks/
lol, Zvan trying to make JT moderate his blog to her liking, and telling everyone who doesn't kowtow to fuck off.
JT seems to have upvoted most of the comments (so far) except Zvan's.
:popcorn:
Re people picking up on what they think is a claim that SocraticGadfly has been harassing Zvan for 2.5 yrs - anyone know of any truth to that? I find one prior mention of her on his blog from last year (also the "married" thing) but that's it.
Pretty sure Mykeru was just saying that he regularly contemplates suicide. The bullet was for himself.cunt wrote:lol, i'm scared. Mykeru's going to throw a bullet at me.
What flounce? Saying I'm done with you and Cunt's need to be irritating (between your bouts of jerking off to loli with Opie Benson's head pasted on) doesn't a flounce make.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:One thing Cunt can do is wind up aged ex-forces Americans suffering from an untreated abundance of testosterone and bullets.Lsuoma wrote:Don't think the split was perfect. But hey, neither is cunt.
Oh yes, this he can certainly do. If Mykerus returns after this flounce, I want my subscription money back.
He or she did a decent job - didn't read all of that - the nesting system sucks and made my eyes water. I didn't see any comments on the apology? Did Skepticon decide that the apology was overt enough that they could beg for money from CFI again?Wonderist wrote:D'oh! I totally missed the boat on that: you were Yoryor. Duh, sorry! But well fucking done indeed, treestump!Wonderist wrote:Wow, whoever Yoryor is: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... a-sponsor/
Well fucking done!
BTW, somebody please tell me this thread title is not serious. I'm still a few pages behind, so haven't heard the latest. The conference is this coming weekend, right? He hasn't had a chance to fuck up yet, right? :pray: (We could use a 'crosses fingers' emoticon; praying just seems wrong, not that crossing ones fingers is much better, lol)
Yup. You quoted my comment in the last thread (btw thanks!), but this is really what it's all about, and I'm coming to realize it.Wonderist wrote:It isn't *actually* about harassment (as I'm sure you're aware, just stating the obvious), it's about *silencing dissent*. Yes, to silence dissent you need to erase it from everywhere and/or make the places where it exists absolutely taboo.Kareem wrote:I really don't get the "no bad words about me can exist anywhere" thing. If someone is harassing you, wouldn't it be smarter not to have any contact with them instead of replying to a comment they made about you to someone else?Skep tickle wrote:Woo hoo, new thread.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013 ... are-jerks/
lol, Zvan trying to make JT moderate his blog to her liking, and telling everyone who doesn't kowtow to fuck off.
JT seems to have upvoted most of the comments (so far) except Zvan's.
:popcorn:
Re people picking up on what they think is a claim that SocraticGadfly has been harassing Zvan for 2.5 yrs - anyone know of any truth to that? I find one prior mention of her on his blog from last year (also the "married" thing) but that's it.
As we've been saying for a while: dogmatism.
Hehe. Mykeru berating someone for an inflated ego! Welcome back, you salty old dog. I completely apologize for my comments, after Sid Vicious up there pointed out that your own head was the intended target for that bullet, not Cunt. I was wrong, I now understand, and I can very easily empathize with your feelings.Mykeru wrote:What flounce? Saying I'm done with you and Cunt's need to be irritating (between your bouts of jerking off to loli with Opie Benson's head pasted on) doesn't a flounce make.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:One thing Cunt can do is wind up aged ex-forces Americans suffering from an untreated abundance of testosterone and bullets.Lsuoma wrote:Don't think the split was perfect. But hey, neither is cunt.
Oh yes, this he can certainly do. If Mykerus returns after this flounce, I want my subscription money back.
Do you have to turn sideways to get that ego through doorways?
Reading that post and comments I now realise that we are legion and that we are deserving of being the scapegoat for all that is wrong in the world..Skep tickle wrote:Woo hoo, new thread.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013 ... are-jerks/
lol, Zvan trying to make JT moderate his blog to her liking, and telling everyone who doesn't kowtow to fuck off.
JT seems to have upvoted most of the comments (so far) except Zvan's.
:popcorn:
Re people picking up on what they think is a claim that SocraticGadfly has been harassing Zvan for 2.5 yrs - anyone know of any truth to that? I find one prior mention of her on his blog from last year (also the "married" thing) but that's it.
I dont know why...ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Why does Opheliar think it is acceptable to appropriate another culture's linguistic quirks and treat them as throwaway shortcuts in her own writing?
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Older comment ^^^, one quick 'challenge': Please don't call anything they're doing 'New Humanism'. Please please do not start that meme. It would be wrong on so many levels, not least of which is that I and others would have to start a 'Gnu Humanism' to combat it. Almost kidding, but not.Aneris wrote:Quick note, I forgot. That's an outline that should be questioned and challenged, and can also be sorted a bit more. I'll hope to refine it. DJ Grothe and other events not mentioned seem to fall into place, too. If not, let me know.
BarnOwl wrote: PeeZus Christ, they do suffer for the social justice cause!
Also, Greágol is awesome. :mrgreen:
Rape is shockingly common in the slums of Nairobi, Kenya, where as many as one in four adolescent girls are raped each year. But a short self-defense course can dramatically reduce the girls' vulnerability to sexual assault, according to a new study from the Stanford University School of Medicine, Lucile Packard Children's Hospital and an organization called No Means No Worldwide.
"Self-defense training taught these young girls to stand up and say 'no' with confidence, and empowered them to escalate their own defense to a higher level, if necessary," said Neville Golden, MD, senior author of the new study, which is now available online on the Journal of Adolescent Health website. "To our knowledge, this is the first study to demonstrate that a self-empowerment/self-defense course can reduce the incidence of rape in adolescent girls," added Golden, who is a professor of pediatrics at Stanford and the division chief of adolescent medicine at Packard Children's. ...
The subjects of the study were 522 high school girls, ages 14 to 21, in two impoverished Nairobi slums: 402 received 12 hours of self-defense training over six weeks, as well as two-hour refresher courses at three-, six-, nine- and 10-month intervals; 120 in a comparison group received a one-hour life-skills class that is the current national standard in Kenya. Before and 10 months after the training, both groups answered anonymous questionnaires about their recent experiences of rape.
At the start of the study, nearly one in four girls reported that they had been forced them to have sex in the prior year; 90 percent of the victims knew their attackers. The study focused on rape and did not assess the entire range of behaviors classified as sexual assault under U.S. laws.
Among girls who received self-defense training, 56.4 percent used the skills they learned to fend off attackers in the subsequent 10 months. Of these girls, half used verbal skills alone, one-third started with verbal skills and added physical skills, and 17 percent used physical skills alone. Not only did total assaults drop sharply, but assaults by the two most common groups of perpetrators, boyfriends and relatives, decreased significantly. After receiving training, girls who were raped were more likely to seek help following an attack.
In contrast, among girls who had life-skills classes, the proportion who became victims of rape remained about the same.
"We were pretty stunned that the self-defense training was so effective," Sinclair said. "From the testimonials we collected, we saw that even a small girl could disable an attacker and get away, again and again."
The self-defense classes, which trained and employed local Kenyan women as instructors, were also cost-effective: providing the training cost $1.75 per student, whereas immediate after-care for rape in Kenya costs $86, a figure that does not account for long-term costs such as new HIV infections or unwanted pregnancies.
All the bitching about flights is like some hack comedian droning on about airline food and doing it for an entire ten minute set.BarnOwl wrote: PeeZus Christ, they do suffer for the social justice cause!
Also, Greágol is awesome. :mrgreen:
Mmm, but we're not being blamed in that thread for everything that's gone wrong ;)KiwiInOz wrote:Reading that post and comments I now realise that we are legion and that we are deserving of being the scapegoat for all that is wrong in the world..Skep tickle wrote:Woo hoo, new thread.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013 ... are-jerks/
lol, Zvan trying to make JT moderate his blog to her liking, and telling everyone who doesn't kowtow to fuck off.
JT seems to have upvoted most of the comments (so far) except Zvan's.
:popcorn:
Re people picking up on what they think is a claim that SocraticGadfly has been harassing Zvan for 2.5 yrs - anyone know of any truth to that? I find one prior mention of her on his blog from last year (also the "married" thing) but that's it.
Cool.
It's good to see that some training works. Kenya has been a very peaceful country but they've had some serious problems in their last two elections that have increased violence like this. I hope training can help turn things around.Skep tickle wrote:http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/261927.php
Ran across this while looking something up for work. It reports a study in Nairobi; the particular form of victim-blaming taken in this study was quite effective in reducing rapes of young women (bolding added):Rape is shockingly common in the slums of Nairobi, Kenya, where as many as one in four adolescent girls are raped each year. But a short self-defense course can dramatically reduce the girls' vulnerability to sexual assault, according to a new study from the Stanford University School of Medicine, Lucile Packard Children's Hospital and an organization called No Means No Worldwide.
"Self-defense training taught these young girls to stand up and say 'no' with confidence, and empowered them to escalate their own defense to a higher level, if necessary," said Neville Golden, MD, senior author of the new study, which is now available online on the Journal of Adolescent Health website. "To our knowledge, this is the first study to demonstrate that a self-empowerment/self-defense course can reduce the incidence of rape in adolescent girls," added Golden, who is a professor of pediatrics at Stanford and the division chief of adolescent medicine at Packard Children's. ...
The subjects of the study were 522 high school girls, ages 14 to 21, in two impoverished Nairobi slums: 402 received 12 hours of self-defense training over six weeks, as well as two-hour refresher courses at three-, six-, nine- and 10-month intervals; 120 in a comparison group received a one-hour life-skills class that is the current national standard in Kenya. Before and 10 months after the training, both groups answered anonymous questionnaires about their recent experiences of rape.
At the start of the study, nearly one in four girls reported that they had been forced them to have sex in the prior year; 90 percent of the victims knew their attackers. The study focused on rape and did not assess the entire range of behaviors classified as sexual assault under U.S. laws.
Among girls who received self-defense training, 56.4 percent used the skills they learned to fend off attackers in the subsequent 10 months. Of these girls, half used verbal skills alone, one-third started with verbal skills and added physical skills, and 17 percent used physical skills alone. Not only did total assaults drop sharply, but assaults by the two most common groups of perpetrators, boyfriends and relatives, decreased significantly. After receiving training, girls who were raped were more likely to seek help following an attack.
In contrast, among girls who had life-skills classes, the proportion who became victims of rape remained about the same.
"We were pretty stunned that the self-defense training was so effective," Sinclair said. "From the testimonials we collected, we saw that even a small girl could disable an attacker and get away, again and again."
The self-defense classes, which trained and employed local Kenyan women as instructors, were also cost-effective: providing the training cost $1.75 per student, whereas immediate after-care for rape in Kenya costs $86, a figure that does not account for long-term costs such as new HIV infections or unwanted pregnancies.
You know what really sucks? DMs on Twitter. I have no fucking clue when I get one.Notung wrote:I find Disqus really horrible for large comment threads. Yes, I know my blog uses it. But I don't get large comment threads ;)
It's a great smell. Like napalm in the morning.KiwiInOz wrote:Mmm. You can just smell the freshness in here.
Some gay guy probably. Those queens know how to make things look pretty.Who'd you get to do the decorating Lsuoma?
Even more interesting how this little douche uses some incident designed by Zvan to draw away attention from creepy Greg Laden to again blame the Slymepit.Skep tickle wrote:Woo hoo, new thread.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013 ... are-jerks/
lol, Zvan trying to make JT moderate his blog to her liking, and telling everyone who doesn't kowtow to fuck off.
JT seems to have upvoted most of the comments (so far) except Zvan's.
:popcorn:
Re people picking up on what they think is a claim that SocraticGadfly has been harassing Zvan for 2.5 yrs - anyone know of any truth to that? I find one prior mention of her on his blog from last year (also the "married" thing) but that's it.
Not dictionary precision, to be sure. Harasser of women!? Or Socratic Gadfly is which Slymepitter? And how are we all to blame for it? Even PZ has a rare moment of nuance (don't know these names, though)JT Eberhard Douche wrote:The harassers of women, the slymepitters, are bad people. I have been unequivocal about this. [...] So here’s where I stand: I want us all to call out bullshit when we see it. The harassers of women? They’re bad people. When I talk about alienating potential allies I have been as precise as possible in reminding people that I’m not talking about harassers and misogynists
PZ 'Moral Authority' Myers wrote:and I definitely include Steve Snyder among the assholes, even if his ego is so colossal that he refuses to side with the slyme, despite sharing the same attitudes
Not so JT Eberhard, the intellectual fraud. Harass? How did "we" do that now? And "good people like Stephanie Zvan"!? Unbelievable.JT Eberhard Loser wrote:That they harass especially good people like Stephanie Zvan makes me loathe them all the more
Founded by a woman who supported a woman who was harrassed/shamed by another woman.16bitheretic wrote:"The harassers of women, the slymepitters, are bad people."
Wasn't this site founded because of two women being harassed by those who now so casually toss around the harassment narrative?
Oh wait, fuck facts and shit, LOL!
Nothing a little historical airbrushing cant fix:16bitheretic wrote:"The harassers of women, the slymepitters, are bad people."
Wasn't this site founded because of two women being harassed by those who now so casually toss around the harassment narrative?
Oh wait, fuck facts and shit, LOL!
I think Justin's flight was delayed in the US.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Stephie: as a present and token of good faith, in return to your comment to me: fuck off!
Bhoytony: I happen to live in the transexual-prostitue neighborhood. I don't mind the grabbing that much, only when I'm accompanied by Alicja. ;)
Justin should be landing in Dublin in about 15 minutes. I hope the fly went well and he will have some good time at the con. Shame I couldn't join him. I guess my non-existent "sedn Phil to Dublin" fundraiser didn't work out (because it was non-existent).
Oh, yes, quite correct. He'll be landing around 10am Irish time (in about one hour). I should have sent him that "Arab countdown" screesaver before he left. Stupid me!Dick Strawkins wrote:I think Justin's flight was delayed in the US.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Stephie: as a present and token of good faith, in return to your comment to me: fuck off!
Bhoytony: I happen to live in the transexual-prostitue neighborhood. I don't mind the grabbing that much, only when I'm accompanied by Alicja. ;)
Justin should be landing in Dublin in about 15 minutes. I hope the fly went well and he will have some good time at the con. Shame I couldn't join him. I guess my non-existent "sedn Phil to Dublin" fundraiser didn't work out (because it was non-existent).
David Firth fan eh? I salute thee.Pitchguest wrote:For cunt and Mykeru:
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1:34. No need to thank me.
Welcome back Walter. :lol:Walter Ego wrote:It's a great smell. Like napalm in the morning.KiwiInOz wrote:Mmm. You can just smell the freshness in here.
Some gay guy probably. Those queens know how to make things look pretty.Who'd you get to do the decorating Lsuoma?
We still have plenty of time to reload, though...Dick Strawkins wrote:
Welcome back Greg.
We've missed you. :dance:
YORYOR is treestump?Wonderist wrote:D'oh! I totally missed the boat on that: you were Yoryor. Duh, sorry! But well fucking done indeed, treestump!Wonderist wrote:Wow, whoever Yoryor is: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:treestump wrote:well, here's the official Skepticon annoucement. Feel free to post comments on it. I put the second comment on there, no one else seems to be commenting. I think these people are mad to fall over themselves to support FTB / Skepchick.
http://skepticon.org/skepticon-says-goo ... a-sponsor/
Well fucking done!
BTW, somebody please tell me this thread title is not serious. I'm still a few pages behind, so haven't heard the latest. The conference is this coming weekend, right? He hasn't had a chance to fuck up yet, right? :pray: (We could use a 'crosses fingers' emoticon; praying just seems wrong, not that crossing ones fingers is much better, lol)
The new improved Walter! Walter redux, actually. I saw the doctor at the hospital the other day and I'm feeling much better. The improvement is probably mostly psychological but I not complaining.KiwiInOz wrote:Welcome back Walter. :lol:Walter Ego wrote:It's a great smell. Like napalm in the morning.KiwiInOz wrote:Mmm. You can just smell the freshness in here.
Some gay guy probably. Those queens know how to make things look pretty.Who'd you get to do the decorating Lsuoma?
I always find it kind of pathetic when other people start arguing with bad reviews, even when they're well founded. A bad review is a bad review, deal with it. What's even more pathetic is when an author starts defending his own work or attacking bad reviews, like on his blog. Myers hasn't stooped to doing this (yet), but it might be just a matter of time. His book is getting hammered on amazon. The good reviews are getting voted down. Even Laden's replies to Loftus are not shown by default. All the crap Myers has slung over the years is coming back to bite him on the ass. Once again we see why it's critical for him to control and censor the medium, as he does on Youtube. Otherwise he gets trashed. The Internet does not like PZ Myers. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.Dick Strawkins wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Laden decides to defend Peezus new book by launching an attack on the Amazon review of John Loftus.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R30LW6Z14W ... deID=&tag=
Being the model skeptic he is, Laden argues against Loftus description of 'The Happy Atheist' as being a collection of old pharyngula blogposts byusing evidence, rationality and wit to make his case that Loftus was completely wrong.poisoning the well in a transparently dishonest and sleazy manner.
:D :D :D :D
Welcome back Greg.
We've missed you. :dance:
I've always thought that the harm reduction and personal choice arguments for legalised abortion and prostitution are pretty similar, but for mainstream feminists the whole "my body, my choice" thing seems to end as soon as a woman does something they find a bit icky.Skep tickle wrote: Doesn't legalization of prostitution empower women*? Alot like legalization of abortion does?
1. Husband Impersonation
The classic husband impersonation case with a twist is Lewis v. State. n128 Lewis, a slave, climbed into bed and had sexual intercourse with a white woman who believed Lewis was her husband. n129 The court reluctantly held that force, actual or constructive, is a necessary ingredient of rape. n130 If the woman consents, the court reasoned, no rape occurred even though consent was obtained by fraudulent impersonation. n131 It added:
We depart from our usual course, for the purpose of inviting the attention of the legislature to this subject. Under our penal laws, one who obtains the goods of another under false and fraudulent pretenses, is held guilty in the same degree as if he has feloniously stolen them. He who contaminates female purity under like fraudulent pretenses, goes unwhipped of justice. n132
Other courts have upheld rape charges in husband impersonation cases finding fraud in the factum vitiating consent. n133 One court, for example, reasoned that husband impersonation cases really involve fraud in the factum because the woman has consented to [*67] marital intercourse not adultery and, therefore, the impersonator's fraud vitiates her consent. n134
Hi, you're a dick.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Hehe. Mykeru berating someone for an inflated ego! Welcome back, you salty old dog. I completely apologize for my comments, after Sid Vicious up there pointed out that your own head was the intended target for that bullet, not Cunt. I was wrong, I now understand, and I can very easily empathize with your feelings.
Back when I thought feminism (gender feminism) was what it claimed to be, that used to puzzle me too. But I was just a teenager and hadn't really figured out (at that time) social movements and how their organizations get co-opted by the sociopaths who use them for their own purposes.KenD wrote:I've always thought that the harm reduction and personal choice arguments for legalised abortion and prostitution are pretty similar, but for mainstream feminists the whole "my body, my choice" thing seems to end as soon as a woman does something they find a bit icky.Skep tickle wrote: Doesn't legalization of prostitution empower women*? Alot like legalization of abortion does?
It's like the way feminists talk about the need to listen to women's voices, complaining about women being silenced when there are male dominated conferences and debates. Yet when it comes to prostitutes, feminists often try to make sure they're ignored and excluded from any decisions made about how they should live their lives.
Of course they don't. Those women needed to 'check their privilege' and "shut up and listen" as 'big Sister' knows best.If you look at Witnesses and Submissions section of the consultation on prostitution that Ivana Bacik is praising, you'll find that no sex workers were included. When they protested and demanded to be heard, feminist groups were among those arguing that nothing they contributed could be trusted or valuable to the debate. Nearly every organisation involved in this "fair and balanced" consultation was either conservative Catholic or mainstream feminist, so of course the conclusion was overwhelmingly in favour of criminalisation.
This is being presented as a victory for feminist activism, and it's clear they don't give a fuck what the women actually affected by the legislation think about it.