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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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As an atheist and feminist activist, Hensley said, she was a target for "atheist misogynists" and men's rights activists. She was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, which on Thursday prevented her from leaving home to go to an unfamiliar place.
Malingering twat.

Perhaps they can all be given their very own speshul factitious disorder in the DSM V. Or perhaps they'll develop a conversion disorder from Twitter. Of course in Watson's case it will be difficult to distinguish from the very real potential for alcohol-induced destruction of part of her thalamus.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gefan wrote:It is entirely possible that I may have too much free time on my hands...

[youtube]xl9kGhLKkbI[/youtube]

Cease and Desist from Natalie Merchant arriving in...3...2...1...
MOAR like this. Tell your boss you found your life's calling and quit.

There's no such thing as too much Gefan. Or Gumby. Or Tigzy. Or Jan.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:
yomomma wrote:Apparently Popehat wants to get a seat at the SJW lunch table. (Apologies if this was already posted.)



(Sorry, don't know how to insert graphic.)
Good lord.

Dear Popehat:
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... stewie.png

Apparently PZ has his top men on this.
Aren't his top men from Popehat?

You know, I read on Pharyngula, "Why would PZ lie?"

Let's hope that was PZ's solicitor putting out the defense strategy.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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welch wrote:I think Snopes, or one of the other similar sites talked about this. It happens a couple times a generation. I think when I was in high school, supposedly, it was nothing but coke whores. We were all doing mountains of coke off of cheerleader tits or something silly.

Basically, older people don't like what younger people are doing and make shit up to justify it.
Yeah, like Jenkem. Even if it's actually a thing somewhere in the world, a North American kid who can get two-buck Chuck, or aerosol whipped cream, or cleaning solvents is going to huff double-fermented human shit for a high?

Kids and porta-potties, scourge of the nation.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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jmpea81 wrote:
Wow. This actually sounds somewhat reasonable...

http://www.freezepage.com/1376754151HMSKWPBNFC (from hxxp://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... y-gay-date)

All without throwing a tantrum...
Don't worry, if the guy had said "cunt," believed in God (no, I don't, just to make that clear), or had the gall to have any doubts over hearsay regarding rape, he'd have denounced him in public.

Well, probably not in public, but on his blog, including a whole lot of false claims.

For, he's just a good person who would only attack the prejudices of the lower classes, while upholding those of the upper castes.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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katamari Damassi wrote:
New research reveals that highly sexualized advances from boys as young as middle school are the norm. 15 year-old boys are texting their peers for Fellate Dates
I always take these reports with a grain of salt. Every couple of years there's a new panic about some fad the kids are doing, and they inevitably turn out not to be true. Remember "rainbow parties", where a bunch of girls wear different colored lipstick and blow a kid until his dick looks like a rainbow? Or remember girls inserting vodka soaked tampons to get buzzed?*

*Fun Fact: Rebecca Watson's tampons aren't vodka soaked until she removes them.
Whenever you see the phrase 'some as young as....' in an article, you know there's bullshit involved.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Kevin Solway wrote:"Online harassment has completely taken over Melody Hensley's life"

Who is this "Online Harassment" guy? Is this her new boyfriend?

And why are these "bad guys" always so popular with the ladies?
I believe, with Melody Hensley, it's been a tit-for-tat war that's gone on for years. Her tweets are condescending and irrational there are times I feel like making a Twitter account just so I could her off. But then I remember some of us have to be adults on the Internet and that will never be Melody "I Twisted My Ankle so I was Disabled" Hensley.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Here is how elevatorgate's storifying is harassing women:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/15/s ... ent-496938
Hi all, anonymous emailer here.

For those who don’t understand why this is a really big deal, rather than just kinda creepy, start by reading the piece Lee linked above:

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/13/womens_ ... er_attack/
Breaking in.... What's interesting about the Salon article is how much elevatorgate's activities don't match the activities in the article, namely, trolling, doxing, and ddos. (with perhaps some argument on the trolling). It's also interesting what Wendy Kaminer, former board member of the ACLU and free speech advocate has to say:

Legally speaking, “you can heckle a speaker but you can’t drown them out,” explains Wendy Kaminer, a lawyer, author and free speech advocate. Drowning out speakers or preventing them from speaking by threatening to create a violent reprisal is called “the Heckler’s Veto.”

With legal recourse either unavailable or unenforceable, does the speech of trolls – online hecklers actively seeking to silence their targets – constitute a Heckler’s Veto? Kaminer says no.


Compare to the rest of the explanation:
Now, let’s try a thought experiment.

Imagine that every time you leave your house, unless you’re behind closed doors such that it’s physically impossible for anyone besides the person you’re talking to to hear you, everything you say is written down, with a note as to when and to whom you said it. Trying to talk more so that the guy doing it gets tired and goes away doesn’t work; there are no limits on his ability to record everything you say. Several times a day, he contacts you, just to remind you he’s doing it.

Now, imagine that he’s sharing these notes with a few dozen of his closest friends, some of whom have a tendency to act like the very worst of 4chan when bored or annoyed. Any time you say *anything* they don’t like, they contact you in every way they can manage to let you know just what they think of you. And it’s not all “dude your dumb & u suck.” Some of it is the kind of messages Kelly Diels talks about in that Salon piece. It’s extremely graphic threats, it’s constant spamming, maybe it’s doxing or DOS attacks on your blog.

Suppose you’re a woman, and among the things that they don’t like are women who disagree with them about anything, no matter how trivial.

Further suppose that sometimes they’re bored, and don’t wait for you to say something controversial like “transgender people should have the same rights as everyone else.” You never know whether today is the day that asking a supermarket clerk in an unfamiliar store where the oatmeal is will lead to thousand-word diatribes about how you’re a stupid fucking cunt who’s too lazy to read the goddamn aisle markers and someone should beat some consideration into you.

And sometimes, when you’re talking to a friend about one of the things that annoys these guys, the guy writing down everything you say starts ALSO writing down everything your friend says. And now your friend is under attack too.

As if that weren’t enough, sometimes the guy writing everything down decides to splice bits of different conversations together, so that it looks like you’ve said things you would never say. Your frustrated exclamation while watching basketball that the center should just go ahead and shoot already gets put into a whole different context, so anyone who sees it thinks that you’re advocating violence. You have no way to make him take down those spliced conversations.

Now imagine this going on for weeks or months. Rebecca Watson has been living with it (albeit only relatively recently through Storify) for two years. Ignoring it doesn’t stop it. Trying to fight back makes it worse. The only thing that can make it go away is for you to stop speaking.

How long before you start censoring what you say in public? How long before you find yourself saying less and less about anything?

Suppose that finally, someone is willing to listen to you, and says that he’ll help you.

And his big solution is to make the guy writing everything down stop telling you that he’s doing it.
The rest of the explanation goes right to what Kaminer says, Trolling doesn’t interfere with articles and blog posts published online in the same way that a speaker can be silenced at a live event.

http://i.imgur.com/54SNfS0.jpg

To paraphrase the explanation then,

blah, blah, blah, vagina, blah, blah, women are so frail that they must be protected from ugly speech they neither have to read nor be aware of (*), blah, blah, blah. (*) once Storify implements a per user block on notifications.

Truly, this is the kind of shit a modern SF author endorses?

To the best of my knowledge, elevatorgate's has never been accused of:

* doxing,
* ddosing
* defamation
* hacking
* pornifying (compare to what happened to tf00t

and elevatorgate's activities are not directed to one person, nor directed to women, but are directed at a specific but broad group of feminist atheist women and men that he disagrees with on philosophical/political grounds.

Further, elevatorgate's activities seek to put tweets and other online activities into a context, illuminate them, make them more understandable.

All of this seems to be not just non-threatening, but fair-use, and valuable contributions towards understanding atheismplus and atheismplus philosophy and it's backers.

This is the kind of activity a modern SF author is against!?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Tribble wrote: I believe, with Melody Hensley, it's been a tit-for-tat war that's gone on for years. Her tweets are condescending and irrational there are times I feel like making a Twitter account just so I could her off. But then I remember some of us have to be adults on the Internet and that will never be Melody "I Twisted My Ankle so I was Disabled" Hensley.
Oh dear, I nearly forgot that one. That's the "My ankle was in rough shape so I know exactly what it is to be a blind man" nonsense right?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gefan wrote:It is entirely possible that I may have too much free time on my hands...

[youtube]xl9kGhLKkbI[/youtube]

Cease and Desist from Natalie Merchant arriving in...3...2...1...
Poor Blondie bever did anything to deserve such malicious treatment! Cease and Desist order coming from the Kountry Kennel Klub - count on it. :naughty:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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jmpea81 wrote:
Wow. This actually sounds somewhat reasonable...

http://www.freezepage.com/1376754151HMSKWPBNFC (from hxxp://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... y-gay-date)

All without throwing a tantrum...
He's posing. Enlightened, empathetic, good guy Peez. He once wrote that older women groping him when he was 17 gave him the uncomfortable sweats. If he felt that way when his hormones were in high gear, then gosh, he had some inkling of the terror women endure daily. Teaching moments for every occasion from our kind-hearted old uncle.

I'm not inclined to believe a bullshitter. Evidence or FLOOSH, PZ.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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The comments on PZ's post about his "Gay date" are going to make me facepalm into a coma.

If a heterosexual male flirts with a woman, he's a sexual predator and she can't be expected to politely turn him away.

If a homosexual male flirts with a heterosexual male, the latter is stupid for not picking up on the signals, and should just say "No, thank you" to the proposition.

http://api.ning.com/files/IvLnyhxM-AvzA ... adSlam.gif

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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justinvacula wrote:[youtube]gXloqvGehqE[/youtube]
The first part was great. The second part was "let me prove I'm on your side" and kind of meh.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Tribble wrote:
Hemisphere wrote:
NoR is clearly just operating on a different level of genius. There's no way that someone who studies real science could possibly be as ignorant and as dimwitted as the average person.
And with Nerd, that's certainly true. He is not as dimwitted as the average person. He has taken dimwitted to entirely new levels. If they made a Nobel Prize for Obliviously Dimwitted, he'd win the first one and they'd have to retire the award.
So what you're saying is, he's dumber than the average bear?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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jmpea81 wrote:
yomomma wrote:
jmpea81 wrote:Wow. This actually sounds somewhat reasonable...

http://www.freezepage.com/1376754151HMSKWPBNFC (from hxxp://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/17/my-gay-date)

All without throwing a tantrum...
But if he were a woman, wouldn't this be considered attempted rape?
Of course. There is also some elevator intersectionality involved. Add that kind of confined space with the question for coffee, and PZ might just have logged on to the university VAX and post a damning message ("Gays, don't do that")... nah. Never.

Whatever he writes nowadays, I don't feel like giving him the tiniest bit of trust that would be sufficient to take anything he says at face value.
I immediately thought the same thing - what would happen if PZ put that story in a youtube clip and ended it with the advice: "Gays don't do that"

What's the difference between that and Watsons famous directive?

Should the same message be incorporated into anti-harrassment policies?

Of course not, because if we banned this type of completely legal and normal human interaction because it might upset some people then we stigmatize the behavior of those who choose to seek partners in this way.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:
yomomma wrote:Apparently Popehat wants to get a seat at the SJW lunch table. (Apologies if this was already posted.)



(Sorry, don't know how to insert graphic.)
Good lord.

Dear Popehat:
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... stewie.png

Apparently PZ has his top men on this.
Shouldn't he be worried about triggering pitters who've been molested by Catholic priests? If this had been on storify he would be a full-blown stalker.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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justinvacula wrote: [youtube]gXloqvGehqE[youtube]
He's trying to be reasonable. I do hope he lets us know how that goes for him.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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justinvacula wrote:The Daily Dot
"Misogynist trolls have turned Storify into a harassment tool"
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/eleva ... arassment/

Same old bullshit.
This annoys me. What the heck is The Daily Dot, anyway? Because it looks like Melody found someone to just regurgitate her talking points, with no analysis, no objectivity, no even-handedness, and dress it up to look like an actual news article by an actual journalist on an actual news website. Doesn't even seem to allow comments, although that might just be my scriptblocker's fault.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Ape+lust wrote:
Gefan wrote:It is entirely possible that I may have too much free time on my hands...

[youtube]xl9kGhLKkbI[youtube]

Cease and Desist from Natalie Merchant arriving in...3...2...1...
MOAR like this. Tell your boss you found your life's calling and quit.

There's no such thing as too much Gefan. Or Gumby. Or Tigzy. Or Jan.
Holy shit - genuinely humbling praise. Especially from one of the Maestros of the Photoshop. :)
As for quitting, I've actually been semi-retired for almost five months and what my SO feared has started to come to pass - I'm spending far too much time causing trouble on the internet.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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bovarchist wrote:
justinvacula wrote:The Daily Dot
"Misogynist trolls have turned Storify into a harassment tool"
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/eleva ... arassment/

Same old bullshit.
This annoys me. What the heck is The Daily Dot, anyway? Because it looks like Melody found someone to just regurgitate her talking points, with no analysis, no objectivity, no even-handedness, and dress it up to look like an actual news article by an actual journalist on an actual news website. Doesn't even seem to allow comments, although that might just be my scriptblocker's fault.
Whatever it is, it's bloody hard to look at, never mind read.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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bovarchist wrote:
justinvacula wrote:The Daily Dot
"Misogynist trolls have turned Storify into a harassment tool"
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/eleva ... arassment/

Same old bullshit.
This annoys me. What the heck is The Daily Dot, anyway? Because it looks like Melody found someone to just regurgitate her talking points, with no analysis, no objectivity, no even-handedness, and dress it up to look like an actual news article by an actual journalist on an actual news website. Doesn't even seem to allow comments, although that might just be my scriptblocker's fault.
Modern journalists are mostly lazy and work differently, I think, than old fashiony journalists, mainly by reading what their friends are publishing and tweeting about and then rewriting and republishing the same stories.

Remember these are english majors gone to J School many or most of whom are women that spent some time in women's studies. The ones that aren't women, are boyfriends and classmates of these folks, and in school, and now in their 20s and 30s, they know where the pussy is.

And it's all very progressive and hip.

Some of the giveaways are their treatment of Adria Richards. If she comes across as a hero, or purely as victim, you know these asswipes know nothing about what happened or are misreporting intentionally.

Which is the other thing at play here, most of these sites are not practicing objective journalism, but are practicing activist journalism (which seems to be a close relative of yellow journalism.)

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gefan wrote:
Holy shit - genuinely humbling praise. Especially from one of the Maestros of the Photoshop. :)
As for quitting, I've actually been semi-retired for almost five months and what my SO feared has started to come to pass - I'm spending far too much time causing trouble on the internet.
Gefan, you'd better include a Popehat Service Announcement with your posts so that everyone understands that "humour" is involved.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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jjbinx007 wrote:[youtube]IIg-4iybQrQ[/youtube]
WTF is this? These people barged into his room because he peed out the window? Can't figure it out, other than the woman is either having a psychotic break or is on a bad trip.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Ape+lust wrote:
jmpea81 wrote:
Wow. This actually sounds somewhat reasonable...

http://www.freezepage.com/1376754151HMSKWPBNFC (from hxxp://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... y-gay-date)

All without throwing a tantrum...
He's posing. Enlightened, empathetic, good guy Peez. He once wrote that older women groping him when he was 17 gave him the uncomfortable sweats. If he felt that way when his hormones were in high gear, then gosh, he had some inkling of the terror women endure daily. Teaching moments for every occasion from our kind-hearted old uncle.

I'm not inclined to believe a bullshitter. Evidence or FLOOSH, PZ.
PZ posted a picture a while back of him in his primary school class. He identified one of the girls as his (future) wife, Mary.
I get the impression that he got involved with the first girl he dated and ended up marrying her.

It is almost impossible to take him serious on questions of dating - it's like sex advice from the pope: while there's a chance he might say something that's correct, it's not likely to have come from direct personal experience.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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dog puke wrote:
Gefan wrote:It is entirely possible that I may have too much free time on my hands...

[youtube]xl9kGhLKkbIyoutube]

Cease and Desist from Natalie Merchant arriving in...3...2...1...
Poor Blondie bever did anything to deserve such malicious treatment! Cease and Desist order coming from the Kountry Kennel Klub - count on it. :naughty:
You think that was bad? The original, unwieldy great forty-minute saga that's now being re-written and cannibalized into post-Clownfall pieces had Blondi cast as Rebecca Watson.

One of the reasons I wanted to do that was I was sure that the baboons (who have thus far completely ignored me - fuckers!) would overlook the fact that I was using the depiction of an almost unimaginable human tragedy for humor, but would suddenly go berzerk because I had "depicted Rebecca Watson as a dog".

I was quite looking forward to that.

For bonus points they wouldn't even have been right about what was going on - technically, it was the dog portraying Rebecca Watson.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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uberfeminist wrote:
Tribble wrote: I believe, with Melody Hensley, it's been a tit-for-tat war that's gone on for years. Her tweets are condescending and irrational there are times I feel like making a Twitter account just so I could her off. But then I remember some of us have to be adults on the Internet and that will never be Melody "I Twisted My Ankle so I was Disabled" Hensley.
Oh dear, I nearly forgot that one. That's the "My ankle was in rough shape so I know exactly what it is to be a blind man" nonsense right?

Yeah, and she cried about it. It sounds like she does have PTSD and I hope she's getting help for it. Seriously, if it's a problem for her staying away from comments and message boards for a bit sounds like a good idea.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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yomomma wrote:Apparently Popehat wants to get a seat at the SJW lunch table. (Apologies if this was already posted.)



(Sorry, don't know how to insert graphic.)
HAHAHAHA

Um, Popers, that was quite obviously tongue-in-cheek. You did know that didn't you? Or are you just swearing an oath of loyalty to Pharyngula?

Either way... hilarious.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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One thing about the EG thing and notifications: it isn't EG that "contacts" you, it's Storify. You can turn off those notifications in the settings. If you own a Twitter, but don't have Storify, you won't receive any notifications. If you have your Twitter on private, the Storified Twitter conversations will show up as hidden or invisible.

Frankly, the fact that he's being accused of harassing and stalking people on Twitter because of an option that exists on a seperate tool, is astounding. It's also fucking stupid. Not to mention that they have no evidence that any of this stalking and harassment has ever occurred, just their word. If you block @elevatorgate on Twitter, you won't receive notifications from Storify about @elevatorgate. So the whole thing is just a load of bollocks, through and through. Furthermore, to say someone is stalking you, as opposed to *really* stalking you (Dawn Gordon stalking Renee Hendricks, that mad woman stalking Justin Griffith) without due process to determine they really *are* stalking you is subject to libel and/or slander. Stalking is a crime, after all.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:
yomomma wrote:Apparently Popehat wants to get a seat at the SJW lunch table. (Apologies if this was already posted.)



(Sorry, don't know how to insert graphic.)
HAHAHAHA

Um, Popers, that was quite obviously tongue-in-cheek. You did know that didn't you? Or are you just swearing an oath of loyalty to Pharyngula?

Either way... hilarious.
I guess lawyers really *don't* have a sense of humour.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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JackRayner wrote:
jjbinx007 wrote:
Wouldn't "#fucktransphobia", or something of the like work much better at not burning bridges? :think:

You'd think trans folk would realize that, being a fraction of a tiny minority, they really need mainstream support, and lashing out at everyone [or using language that makes it seem like that's exactly what they're doing] isn't conducive to their goals. It doesn't help that they've already got lots of P.R. problems, what with their constant wordsmithing and strict language doctrine enforcement...

And if it isn't trans folk themselves that started this and/or are doing it, then they should do their best to tell their "supporters" that their idea of helping is doing the exact opposite...
I know some transfolk and they're not like this. This person represents a subset of transactivists who are permanently aggrieved and exist solely to stir shit up and draw attention to themselves. They remind me a lot of the androgynous sjw's who identify as genderqueer so that they have a rationale to throw a major hissy fit when you use the wrong pronoun.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Ä uest wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
justinvacula wrote:The Daily Dot
"Misogynist trolls have turned Storify into a harassment tool"
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/eleva ... arassment/

Same old bullshit.
This annoys me. What the heck is The Daily Dot, anyway? Because it looks like Melody found someone to just regurgitate her talking points, with no analysis, no objectivity, no even-handedness, and dress it up to look like an actual news article by an actual journalist on an actual news website. Doesn't even seem to allow comments, although that might just be my scriptblocker's fault.
Modern journalists are mostly lazy and work differently, I think, than old fashiony journalists, mainly by reading what their friends are publishing and tweeting about and then rewriting and republishing the same stories.

Remember these are english majors gone to J School many or most of whom are women that spent some time in women's studies. The ones that aren't women, are boyfriends and classmates of these folks, and in school, and now in their 20s and 30s, they know where the pussy is.

And it's all very progressive and hip.

Some of the giveaways are their treatment of Adria Richards. If she comes across as a hero, or purely as victim, you know these asswipes know nothing about what happened or are misreporting intentionally.

Which is the other thing at play here, most of these sites are not practicing objective journalism, but are practicing activist journalism (which seems to be a close relative of yellow journalism.)
Problem is, they want the respect and the status that good journalists, working for journals of record, used to get and are pissed off when their shitty blog doesn't win a Pulitzer every second week.

And politicians haven't quite worked it out yet either - maybe that blog is like an on-line newspaper! The voters! Argh! Cave to their demands by making the appropriate noises and see if they are still there tomorrow. If so, hire them as an advisor, give them small budget and let them make pointless public service announcements and colourful posters. If they are real bastards, they'll rise to the top and we can use them to knife those arseholes in the other party factions.

The real journos either took the advisor's jobs years ago, or drank themselves to death.

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Pitchguest wrote:One thing about the EG thing and notifications: it isn't EG that "contacts" you, it's Storify. You can turn off those notifications in the settings. If you own a Twitter, but don't have Storify, you won't receive any notifications. If you have your Twitter on private, the Storified Twitter conversations will show up as hidden or invisible.

Frankly, the fact that he's being accused of harassing and stalking people on Twitter because of an option that exists on a seperate tool, is astounding. It's also fucking stupid. Not to mention that they have no evidence that any of this stalking and harassment has ever occurred, just their word. If you block @elevatorgate on Twitter, you won't receive notifications from Storify about @elevatorgate. So the whole thing is just a load of bollocks, through and through. Furthermore, to say someone is stalking you, as opposed to *really* stalking you (Dawn Gordon stalking Renee Hendricks, that mad woman stalking Justin Griffith) without due process to determine they really *are* stalking you is subject to libel and/or slander. Stalking is a crime, after all.
Thank you, I hadn't realized that notifications were twitter DM's, I had the impression they were emails.

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katamari Damassi wrote:
JackRayner wrote:
jjbinx007 wrote:
Wouldn't "#fucktransphobia", or something of the like work much better at not burning bridges? :think:

You'd think trans folk would realize that, being a fraction of a tiny minority, they really need mainstream support, and lashing out at everyone [or using language that makes it seem like that's exactly what they're doing] isn't conducive to their goals. It doesn't help that they've already got lots of P.R. problems, what with their constant wordsmithing and strict language doctrine enforcement...

And if it isn't trans folk themselves that started this and/or are doing it, then they should do their best to tell their "supporters" that their idea of helping is doing the exact opposite...
I know some transfolk and they're not like this. This person represents a subset of transactivists who are permanently aggrieved and exist solely to stir shit up and draw attention to themselves. They remind me a lot of the androgynous sjw's who identify as genderqueer so that they have a rationale to throw a major hissy fit when you use the wrong pronoun.

Most of anyone is not like that, regardless of the group. Most of the transfolk I know are just normal people. They go to work, they do their thing and they'd be really happy if the world didn't fuck with them for who they are. They work to get to that goal, but the recognize that shitting on another group because that group shits on you isn't activism, it's revenge fantasy.

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Ä uest wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:One thing about the EG thing and notifications: it isn't EG that "contacts" you, it's Storify. You can turn off those notifications in the settings. If you own a Twitter, but don't have Storify, you won't receive any notifications. If you have your Twitter on private, the Storified Twitter conversations will show up as hidden or invisible.

Frankly, the fact that he's being accused of harassing and stalking people on Twitter because of an option that exists on a seperate tool, is astounding. It's also fucking stupid. Not to mention that they have no evidence that any of this stalking and harassment has ever occurred, just their word. If you block @elevatorgate on Twitter, you won't receive notifications from Storify about @elevatorgate. So the whole thing is just a load of bollocks, through and through. Furthermore, to say someone is stalking you, as opposed to *really* stalking you (Dawn Gordon stalking Renee Hendricks, that mad woman stalking Justin Griffith) without due process to determine they really *are* stalking you is subject to libel and/or slander. Stalking is a crime, after all.
Thank you, I hadn't realized that notifications were twitter DM's, I had the impression they were emails.

http://i.imgur.com/XnWPLVx.jpg
If you block @elevatorgate on Twitter, you won't receive notifications from Storify about @elevatorgate.
That may not be true.

http://feedback.storify.com/forums/6692 ... -function-

Has complaints of EG being able to route around twitter blocks of @eg, are the DMs coming from @EG or from @Storify? If the latter, I can understand how blocking @EG on twitter would not work and why people might not want to block @Storify.

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jmpea81 wrote:
yomomma wrote:
jmpea81 wrote:Wow. This actually sounds somewhat reasonable...

http://www.freezepage.com/1376754151HMSKWPBNFC (from hxxp://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/17/my-gay-date)

All without throwing a tantrum...
But if he were a woman, wouldn't this be considered attempted rape?
Of course. There is also some elevator intersectionality involved. Add that kind of confined space with the question for coffee, and PZ might just have logged on to the university VAX and post a damning message ("Gays, don't do that")... nah. Never.

Whatever he writes nowadays, I don't feel like giving him the tiniest bit of trust that would be sufficient to take anything he says at face value.
You forgot the part where, as well as posting "Gays, don't do that" all over campus, he demanded that a rigorous anti-harassment policy be imposed on the whole university so that his precious fee-fees were never violated again. And, when that didn't happen, spent the next several years calling everyone who didn't agree with him a misandrist rape-enabler and trying to get them fired.

Also, a gay man wanted sex with PZMyers, when there's a perfectly good glory hole in the men's crapper? Absurd.

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I wonder how many of the people crying "harassment" over EG would agree that the constant monitoring of everything Ken Ham says and does, or Ray Comfort is exactly the same thing.



I could be wrong, but I bet the intersection there is a very wide nothing.

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Verklagekasper wrote: Isn't it odd how she references the lynching of black people, out of context? If you talk with a PoC about something absolutely unrelated to race, it's pathetic if all you can think about is "black, black, black". I don't understand why Crommunist puts up with this bs.
Because he's the same kind of Stupid Juvenile Wanker that she is and SJWs flock together.

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uberfeminist wrote:
Tribble wrote: I believe, with Melody Hensley, it's been a tit-for-tat war that's gone on for years. Her tweets are condescending and irrational there are times I feel like making a Twitter account just so I could her off. But then I remember some of us have to be adults on the Internet and that will never be Melody "I Twisted My Ankle so I was Disabled" Hensley.
Oh dear, I nearly forgot that one. That's the "My ankle was in rough shape so I know exactly what it is to be a blind man" nonsense right?
Yes.

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Verklagekasper wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Crommie and the Queen, getting snippy with each other about that Fuson guy.

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Isn't it odd how she references the lynching of black people, out of context? If you talk with a PoC about something absolutely unrelated to race, it's pathetic if all you can think about is "black, black, black". I don't understand why Crommunist puts up with this bs.
What's really sad is when Crommunist is the rational one. I'm sure it won't last, but it's black man vs white woman, so who has more privilege. I wish Goku were here - he could tell me the score of each so I could know who will win. I only hope it doesn't drag out for 10 weeks.

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Zenspace wrote:I hope Shermer grinds him into legal dust, but I'm not going to get any joy out of it...
I am.

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Rope apologist wrote:
ERV wrote:
yomomma wrote:Apparently Popehat wants to get a seat at the SJW lunch table. (Apologies if this was already posted.)



(Sorry, don't know how to insert graphic.)
Good lord.

Dear Popehat:
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... stewie.png

Apparently PZ has his top men on this.
Aren't his top men from Popehat?

You know, I read on Pharyngula, "Why would PZ lie?"

Let's hope that was PZ's solicitor putting out the defense strategy.
As a back-up, Peezus has barrister Kevin at the call center in Mumbai.

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Dick Strawkins wrote: I immediately thought the same thing - what would happen if PZ put that story in a youtube clip and ended it with the advice: "Gays don't do that"

What's the difference between that and Watsons famous directive?

Should the same message be incorporated into anti-harrassment policies?

Of course not, because if we banned this type of completely legal and normal human interaction because it might upset some people then we stigmatize the behavior of those who choose to seek partners in this way.
Wait a minute. PZ was hit on, i.e., metaphorically raped in the ear (per Elyse "MoFo" Anderson); however, he is the one apologizing or making excuses - isn't that blaming the victim? Of does that not work if the victim does it to themselves? Or, maybe, PZ has PSTD now? I guess he's trying to convert his victim points into sisterhood points (or are they knight points for the males). Not sure of the conversion factor - is he using version 1.1 or 2.0? It does seem like a game to these people.

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Cold wrote:This is my main problem with "sciences" like sociology and psychology. Surveys are not science.
Even physics research uses statistical inference. Without even checking I'm virtually certain I could find a few dozen papers on arXiv using this "soft" methodology on short notice.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:He's posing. Enlightened, empathetic, good guy Peez. He once wrote that older women groping him when he was 17 gave him the uncomfortable sweats. If he felt that way when his hormones were in high gear, then gosh, he had some inkling of the terror women endure daily. Teaching moments for every occasion from our kind-hearted old uncle.

I'm not inclined to believe a bullshitter. Evidence or FLOOSH, PZ.
PZ posted a picture a while back of him in his primary school class. He identified one of the girls as his (future) wife, Mary.
I get the impression that he got involved with the first girl he dated and ended up marrying her.

It is almost impossible to take him serious on questions of dating - it's like sex advice from the pope: while there's a chance he might say something that's correct, it's not likely to have come from direct personal experience.
Well, that's the way his tale of his courtship reads. He was the smart guy in class until he landed in one with a beautiful girl whose wattage eclipsed his. Could she, would she agree to date a wormy guy like him? Yes! Impossible, but it happened. Then they were separated for a while, a couple of years I think, and when she returned they were a couple. The toad landed a princess. What did she see in him? He was unworthy, yadda, yadda. She agreed to marry him! Swoon!

It was boilerplate I-married-out-of-my-league charm story. And yeah, it sounded like he married the first who would have him. All this other stuff he trickles out sounds like embroidery, fitted for the occasion.

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JudgeFudge wrote:
jjbinx007 wrote:[youtube]IIg-4iybQrQ[/youtube]
WTF is this? These people barged into his room because he peed out the window? Can't figure it out, other than the woman is either having a psychotic break or is on a bad trip.
She's doing it for dramatic effect so 'witnesses' will over-hear her and possibly beat the shit out the guy. If I were him, I'd find a lawyer ASAP and sue the fuck out of her.

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Gefan wrote:
dog puke wrote:
Gefan wrote:It is entirely possible that I may have too much free time on my hands...

[youtube]xl9kGhLKkbIyoutube]

Cease and Desist from Natalie Merchant arriving in...3...2...1...
Poor Blondie bever did anything to deserve such malicious treatment! Cease and Desist order coming from the Kountry Kennel Klub - count on it. :naughty:
You think that was bad? The original, unwieldy great forty-minute saga that's now being re-written and cannibalized into post-Clownfall pieces had Blondi cast as Rebecca Watson.

One of the reasons I wanted to do that was I was sure that the baboons (who have thus far completely ignored me - fuckers!) would overlook the fact that I was using the depiction of an almost unimaginable human tragedy for humor, but would suddenly go berzerk because I had "depicted Rebecca Watson as a dog".

I was quite looking forward to that.

For bonus points they wouldn't even have been right about what was going on - technically, it was the dog portraying Rebecca Watson.
I think they would have gone for the obvious "He's calling Saint Rebecca a bitch!" line myself. Maybe saying she looks like a dog as second. I would have felt sorry for the poor dog, getting associated with a drunken has-been. I'm glad you thought of the dog and didn't go with it - you have no idea the of the cost of counseling for dogs.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Rope apologist wrote:Let's hope that was PZ's solicitor putting out the defense strategy.
As a back-up, Peezus has barrister Kevin at the call center in Mumbai.
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"Boss? There's some guy on the line wants to know if there's such a thing as a 'blogging-under-patriarchy' defense. He sounds unstable."

"Prank call. Hang up."

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nippletwister wrote:
Cold wrote:
VAXherd wrote:Social Sciences are part of STEM.
Sociology is a soft baby science, much like psychology. Too soft as of right now to be of any real application.

There are lots of good dumps to take on psychology, but at least there are testable theories from time to time. I don't think the current popular theories in sociology can be called ANY kind of science....the shit that's being taught some places is more like anti-science. Critical race theory, social conflict theory as informed by marxism, academic feminism.....they are simply "revolutionary" political theories, which by and large have been subject to a lot of "debate" but not much actual research or scientific scrutiny. They have a tiny bit of validity in so far as they analyze possible historical roots of modern society, but the biggest proponents have pretty much decided that:

Whiteness + Capitalism =OPPRESSION
It depends on what subdiscipline you're in. A lot of what you're saying is true but e.g. SNA and any sort of other middle range theories will not have this feature.

In the same way there is a lot of Marxist / critical theory flapdoodle in geography but that doesn't negate the value of GIS. You have undoubtedly used or at least benefited from a GIS system at some point.

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re. lazy journalists (upstream):
If you cross-bred journalists with tree sloths, you'd end up with slightly smarter journalists who could hang upside down from branches.

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I'm just gonna leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/d3hwO38.jpg

(Lsuoma: still pondering?)

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Gefan wrote:
Holy shit - genuinely humbling praise. Especially from one of the Maestros of the Photoshop. :)
As for quitting, I've actually been semi-retired for almost five months and what my SO feared has started to come to pass - I'm spending far too much time causing trouble on the internet.
GIMP, sirrah, GIMP. Photoshop is for the indolent bourgeoise who have money :D

Thanks for the compliment, friend. And while you're measuring for maestros, consider that Gumby's preferred tool is a software version of a kid's trike. He's building furniture with a pocketknife, but you'd never know it.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
jmpea81 wrote:
Wow. This actually sounds somewhat reasonable...

http://www.freezepage.com/1376754151HMSKWPBNFC (from hxxp://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/17/my-gay-date)

All without throwing a tantrum...
<one quote bracket removed due to limit>

Of course. There is also some elevator intersectionality involved. Add that kind of confined space with the question for coffee, and PZ might just have logged on to the university VAX and post a damning message ("Gays, don't do that")... nah. Never.

Whatever he writes nowadays, I don't feel like giving him the tiniest bit of trust that would be sufficient to take anything he says at face value.
I immediately thought the same thing - what would happen if PZ put that story in a youtube clip and ended it with the advice: "Gays don't do that"

What's the difference between that and Watsons famous directive?

Should the same message be incorporated into anti-harrassment policies?

Of course not, because if we banned this type of completely legal and normal human interaction because it might upset some people then we stigmatize the behavior of those who choose to seek partners in this way.
He mentions the coffee invite. I find it interesting that he really is not “genre savvy”, and his commentariat isn't either. I'm also delighted that Cerberus, which I one time regarded as an euphemism for “lives in mom’s basement”, confesses to be asexual. His usually verbose hate could count as barking from three heads.

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Metalogic42 wrote:I'm just gonna leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/d3hwO38.jpg

(Lsuoma: still pondering?)
Did you think that Colon would be honest, or have the reading comprehension of a dyslexic gerbil? He's not that honest or smart.

In other words, Ophie goes on about Emery Emery (a man who was raped as a child, btw). Forgive the large quote, but I wanted to include a few things she says:
It’s the turn of “Ardent Atheist” Emery Emery to try to peddle the line that all this talk of sexual harassment is actually a campaign to stop everyone having sex. It’s a campaign to shut down pleasure and fun and joy and good things altogether.
The in-groupers at FtB have been attempting to redefine flirting as sexual harassment and sexual intercourse as rape. The problem with this tactic is that it obfuscates actual acts of sexual predation while criminalizing very healthy sex-positive human interaction.
No actually we have not. Not at all. We’ve been attempting (as have many others – we sure as hell don’t deserve all the credit for this) to define sexual harassment as sexual harassment. Flirting is mutual; harassment is unilateral. The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to sexual intercourse and rape.
We are not opposed to healthy sex-positive human interaction. That’s an idiotic thing to say – but of course it’s also a very familiar trope about feminists and feminism. DJ Grothe and Emery Emery and the rest of them are reaching into a particularly foul box of tools for this particular trope. It ought to be beneath them, and it says a lot about this haha “community” that it isn’t.
Adults choosing to be sexual with each other is beautiful. and we in the atheist/skeptic community are by and large, not weighed down by sexual hangups. We tend to be not only sex positive but also highly honest and moral people.
Oh dear god. That last sentence froze me in place for a second when I read it – from a capital S Skeptic!!
No. No, you don’t; no, we don’t. We don’t tend to be highly honest and moral people. I’ve never thought that about any set of people, because it’s just a ludicrous claim, about anyone; but in addition I’ve been learning to think it’s less and less true of people in “the atheist/skeptic community” over the past couple of years. That “community” is riddled with malice and aggression and tribal dudely misogynist bullshit. EE’s post is a classic example of that.
So close, Ophie, so close. You almost had it.

She does have a moment of clarity:
We’ve all got faults, and many of us have the kinds of faults that can inflict misery on other people.
but luckily for her it passes, so she can sleep at night.

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justinvacula wrote:[youtube]gXloqvGehqE[/youtube]
Now they will accuse Mr.Deity of "mansplaining" and "doubling down"

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justinvacula wrote:The Daily Dot
"Misogynist trolls have turned Storify into a harassment tool"
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/eleva ... arassment/
Watson:
"If he were indeed from England … I would like to see if it were possible at all for someone in England to do a civil suit against him because I know he's hurt so many lives." 
So she's rambling how EG was a criminal harassing her for years, yet she hopes that somebody else finds a way to sue him? Basically, she's admitting that she doesn't have a case and that her allegations are hyperbole.

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justinvacula wrote:The Daily Dot
"Misogynist trolls have turned Storify into a harassment tool"
http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/eleva ... arassment/
Online harassment has completely taken over Melody Hensley's life.

As an atheist and feminist activist, Hensley said, she was a target for "atheist misogynists" and men's rights activists. She was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, which on Thursday prevented her from leaving home to go to an unfamiliar place.

Hensley wants to know the identity of the man who she claims is behind a two-year harassment campaign on Storify against her and numerous other women.
Now, Watson has a cadre of bullies sending her threats. Even so, she says ElevatorGate has been stalking her for years. He used Twitter, a blog, and YouTube to share dirt he found on Watson, make up lies, and leave insulting messages on her videos, she told the Daily Dot over email. This was before he got to Storify.

"Either he was simply obsessed with me with no endgame in mind or else he was actively trying to scare me. Judging by the fact that he has moved on to harassing other outspoken feminists, I'd say the latter," she said.
Hensley, executive director of the Center for Inquiry in Washington and organizer of the Women in Secularism national conference, spoke out early on when ElevatorGate targeted Watson, a friend of hers. Hensley said her PTSD was a direct result of his harassment, along with a cybermob of more than 400 people, including men's rights activists.

"I was being Storified every single tweet by ElevatorGate and still am to this day. This has been going on for nearly two years. I know I'm constantly being monitored," she told the Daily Dot. "[ElevatorGate] spends all day and all night doing this. I'm quite certain he doesn't have a job. He's definitely obsessive."
At a broader level, Watson says she receives insults and threats every day. "Despite the fact that I can deal with it better than most, it's very difficult," she said, noting she's had prescription medication for anxiety and depression.
Same old bullshit.
I becha they are sending out press packs all over. They are in the media just far too much right now, I seriously doubt journalists are hearing hints of this story and seeking them out.

Somebody should write a cold, sober article about how they operate and their tactics. Cyber bullying is in the news right now and actually, it isn't what the media think it is in most cases. It is 'silos' of ideologues and self appointed moral guardians, creating personality cults built on common victim-hood and perceived common enemies. Without an enemy to fight, this girly-club has nothing except their hugs and cookies (which are themselves part of the cult technique of love-bombing).

I wish i had the time.

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VAXherd wrote:
debaser71 wrote:Richard Feynman on social science.

I hate to criticize Richard Feynman, but that was "I don't understand it, therefore it's wrong."

He tried working outside his field on a few occasions and didn't do very well. Looks like he should have learned more from that than he did.
He raises a point about the lack of physics-like laws, cf.



But it's not like they don't exist altogether. (Weber-Fechner immediately comes to mind.)

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JudgeFudge wrote:
jjbinx007 wrote:[youtube]IIg-4iybQrQ[/youtube]
WTF is this? These people barged into his room because he peed out the window? Can't figure it out, other than the woman is either having a psychotic break or is on a bad trip.
I don't know what that was, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Ape+lust wrote:
Gefan wrote:
Holy shit - genuinely humbling praise. Especially from one of the Maestros of the Photoshop. :)
As for quitting, I've actually been semi-retired for almost five months and what my SO feared has started to come to pass - I'm spending far too much time causing trouble on the internet.
GIMP, sirrah, GIMP. Photoshop is for the indolent bourgeoise who have money :D

Thanks for the compliment, friend. And while you're measuring for maestros, consider that Gumby's preferred tool is a software version of a kid's trike. He's building furniture with a pocketknife, but you'd never know it.
I loved GIMP back in my modding days. Free and quite powerful. I also used Paintshop Pro 8.1 and a free 3D modeling software that was slightly crippled version of a professional package but I forgotten the name. Used to make some really cool stuff.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

#720

Post by Ape+lust »

Metalogic42 wrote:I'm just gonna leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/d3hwO38.jpg

(Lsuoma: still pondering?)
Why "literally" raped? Were the others only "figuratively" raped?

Nevermind, it's Oolon.

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