Bleeding from the Bunghole

[TheMudbrooker]

Crap. Now we are being oppressed by the patriarchy. Gumby, stop using your status as a global moderator to have sex with us.

Calm down, dear. You're getting hysterical. Here, let me refill your glass:

http://www.how-to-make-wine.net/images/pouring22.jpg

Have I told you lately how attractive you are?

So, does this make you a fascist vice-tit? Or would that be sub-tit? Tit (junior grade)?

[Ape+lust]

OMG! Gumby is a "global moderator" now. Hopefully the power doesn't go to his head and he goes Ceepolk on us.

Trigger Warning: You're banned for a week. Reason: Tattling.

Nothing will change with me. Same stupid shops, same stupid comments. I (and a couple others) just offered to help Lsuoma out on occasion if he needs it. I love this place so I volunteered to pitch in.

Given the veeeeeerrrrrrrry relaxed moderation standards here I doubt if I'll ever have to do anything. Of course, I plan on putting Steen's and Ape+Lust's photoshop submissions in eternal moderation. Can't have them showing me up all the time with their actual quality work, ya know. That's not abuse of power or anything, is it?

And when Eucliwood comes of age, who'll have to deal with her?

Offissa Gumby! AHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D

(I see both you and Aneris got the job. We're in good hands)

[BarnOwl]

There's an Atheists/Agnostics (but not, as you'll see, Skeptics) group on Ravelry, and they've been discussing the Shermer rape accusation in one of the threads. Below are quotes from some of the posts to the thread:

OP:

Report of rape was swept under rug. The skeptical community needs stop putting up with this.

I doubt Shermer would be fool enough to sue. I suspect there’s too much dirt.

I’ve heard Shermer’s name before in connection with this sort of thing. My main surprise was seeing the familiar name and realizing that apparently this wasn’t already common knowledge.
I wouldn’t be too worried about lawsuits. Public figures have far less legal protection against defamation than private persons do, in part because of their access to media and ability to refute claims in that manner.

PZ Myers may be a pompous ass, but I think he’s a good guy. He certainly has been willing to point out the sexist bs that crops up in the skeptical movement.

Every time I hear a story like this, I am appalled and horrified.
I’ve tried to start half a dozen sentences since writing the above, and nothing’s working.
I’m heartsick. And angry.

That’s how I see Dawkins. I admire him for his science and his passionate defence of atheism, but he is absolutely clueless about white male privilege, and every time he speaks about something touching on that, he just makes his attitude more glaring. And because he has no insight, he doesn’t know when to check himself.

I guess he (Shermer) was only talking about white male morality. I am saddened that someone like this can bring our whole cause down. I know he is just a jerky individual, but he needs to openly apologize or get kicked out of future conferences and be shunned.

OP:

Yes - I should have been more clear. The situation here is rape. 
The reason I put “sexual harassment” in the title is that this particular incident is one of a pattern of this type of thing going on in the skeptical community, and I wanted to point that out.

I tend to read about sexual abuse and harassment with a self-protective glaze, so I missed that someone was raped, and has outed her rapist. I really, really hope she is getting lots of good and helpful support.

I agree.
It’s not just that this one woman privately contacted PZ; it’s that others have contacted him since then.
As other commenters have said, if Shermer has not in fact done what the Jane Does says he did, then he’s due an apology. But despite what people think, most women don’t just go flinging around frivolous accusations of sexual assault.

Crap, Shermer is going to be at DragonCon this year and I am going. Should I ask him to not be so rapey?

Did you watch the video?!!!!! My jaw dropped. I didn’t know the guy who does Mr. Deity could have learned so little from Mr. Deity. Turns out he is as clueless about reality in life as he is when he plays god.
Paraphrase: (refuses wine from waiter) See! Isn’t that easy? Or if you don’t have enough backbone to refuse the offer, just don’t drink the wine!
Because no woman who has ever been raped while drunk got drunk because she was naive, unused to drinking, overwhelmed, nervous, shy, inattentive, caught up in the festivities like everyone else, in awe of the famous person paying her attention, or in any of a thousand states of mind very different from that of a coolly sarcastic older white man refusing wine from a waiter.

The complaints about Shermer are that he deliberately gets a woman drunk, so drunk she is not able to give consent or refuse, and has sex with her. There are a number of stories of him pulling this, or of plying a particular woman with alcohol, but her friends get her away before more happens.
But all she’d have to do is not drink too much! Tra la! Tra la!
BTW, in Vancouver, there was a serial killer whose method was to get a woman drunk to incapacity and then continue to pour alcohol into her. Just another drunken aboriginal woman who killed herself with booze. The police did nothing for years. The word spread on the street, though.
But all she’d have to do is not drink too much! Tra la! Tra la!

Their primary sources for this information are: 1) PeeZus' blog, 2) Thibeedeedoodah's blog, 3) extrapolation from personal experiences. o.O

[Gumby]

Crap. Now we are being oppressed by the patriarchy. Gumby, stop using your status as a global moderator to have sex with us.

Calm down, dear. You're getting hysterical. Here, let me refill your glass:

[.img]http://www.how-to-make-wine.net/images/pouring22.jpg[/img]

Have I told you lately how attractive you are?

So, does this make you a fascist vice-tit? Or would that be sub-tit? Tit (junior grade)?

My official title is Special Officer Gumby, Eager Young Slyme Cadet.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 28115e.png

[clownshoe]

Interesting point. The message was not meant for him alone. She is opting to dig up his dirt & personal issues in public.

This is such schoolyard stuff. They need a grownup to intervene... which means they're shit out of luck.

There is always Dad.

Message for Dad: "Come at me bro!"

[youtube]pB2lyKQ4oIk[/youtube]

[JackRayner]

TRIGGER WARNING!!!1
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http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... a59646.jpg

[Zenspace]

Dick Strawkins - we don't interact directly very often, but I tend to read all your posts and agree with damn near everything you take the time to write, and you make good points here, but I'm going to part ways with you just a bit on this one. ERV, Guest, ThePrussian and others have offered counter arguments that I agree with in part or whole, but I'll add one other factor that the others did not comment on, although the subject has come up in related commentary: The matter of public support for Shermer both morally and financially.

One of my fears, echoed by others, is that Shermer might back away from the case due to a perceived lack of public sympathy/support and/or financial exposure. This would not only be unfair to Shermer, but a horrific encouragement to Myers et al that they can persecute anyone, anytime, for pretty much anything. I think it is important that we take a pro-active stand in the matter, as the only other voices are the screeching loonies at FftB and they are getting the predominance of attention. All to often, the prevailing party in public discourse - which this has now become - are the loudest voices, not those in the right nor those with the greater numbers. I would go so far as to state that radfem dogma has spread as far as it has because of this factor more than any other (IMHO).

To be extra clear, it should be stated that I take no hard position on the merits of this case or Shermer's guilt or innocence, although the recent history and past behavior of the FftB accusers leads me to favor what I see as a very high probability that the accusations are bullshit, I have no hard evidence to support a hard, defensible position either way. The real matter here is that Myers and his idiot sycophants have attacked and are trying to bypass and undercut Due Process, one of the founding concepts of the modern legal system. The fact that this utter bullshit is taking place within the so-called skeptical community just floors me. We are rather more accustomed to seeing this within religious communities, but here?

This should be the focus of our efforts. I am not standing up specifically for Shermer, so much as Due Process. But today, Due Process happens to have Shermer's name on it. To fail to take a public, pro-active stand, is to fail the legal system we have been fortunate enough to inherit, warts and all.

OK. That's my rant/vent. Carry on.

I think we are closer to agreement than you might think.

No doubt on my part!

My original point was also a call for due process, and part of that was allowing a possibility that the accusation might have some merit. Admittedly, coming from Myers and company there isn't much confidence that this is anything other than smoke and malicious gossip, but if we are allowing due process we surely must give the accuser at least a chance to present a case BEFORE we jump in and take Shermers side.
Several possible pieces of supporting evidence have been mentioned - emails from Shermer admitting some wrong-doing; five other women who claim to have been likewise raped; correspondence from the conference organization that acknowledged an accusation of rape being made at the time.
Now if none of these supposed evidences are presented to the authorities and we remain in the current situation where Myers still maintains that Shermer is a serial rapist I think the principle of fairness will favor supporting Shermer in a libel case against Peezus.

Yes, because due process demands that both parties have their say, as you note. The problem is one of presentation and/or appearance for the supporters of due process in this situation. It seems that the line between supporting due process or supporting Shermer is very easy to blur. I'm primarily interested in supporting due process. To support Shermer by default, the veracity of any information coming out of FftB notwithstanding, is just as bad as accepting the rape accusation by default. At the moment, I see no way of supporting due process without appearing to support Shermer.

Unfortunately, sitting back and letting the events play out tends to favor the accusers (here meaning Myers) in real time and results. The only bastion against this unbalanced playing field is a hard fought pushback from Shermer that exacts a very real price from Myers. If providing moral and a token bit of financial support encourages Shermer to pursue the matter through legal channels, I'm willing to do that, because I am very concerned about the result if he doesn't. Things will get much worse very quickly. Look at the new attack on JT Eberhardt. We are just seeing what may be the beginning of some very ugly shit.

[dog puke]

There is always Dad.

OK... time for the big reveal. I am Jen's (blog hog) father. Stop being mean or I will paw you in snout. :twisted:

[Matt Cavanaugh]

odd she would include an age range...and why would engagement necessarily stop people from having sex?

Jen's projecting -- those are the ages she had sex with speakers at conferences.

You know, I love Jen McCreight. But she's a little slow, so I wish you guys would not go so hard on her.

[Jan Steen]

OMG! Gumby is a "global moderator" now. Hopefully the power doesn't go to his head and he goes Ceepolk on us.

Trigger Warning: You're banned for a week. Reason: Tattling.

Nothing will change with me. Same stupid shops, same stupid comments. I (and a couple others) just offered to help Lsuoma out on occasion if he needs it. I love this place so I volunteered to pitch in.

Given the veeeeeerrrrrrrry relaxed moderation standards here I doubt if I'll ever have to do anything. Of course, I plan on putting Steen's and Ape+Lust's photoshop submissions in eternal moderation. Can't have them showing me up all the time with their actual quality work, ya know. That's not abuse of power or anything, is it?

Please ban me for a day, because I spend too much time here. I can't control myself. (Actual request seen on A+.)

[Sulman]

We are just seeing what may be the beginning of some very ugly shit.

Desperation.

I think that community is going to implode in less than six months. This is just the beginning.

[Guest]

odd she would include an age range...and why would engagement necessarily stop people from having sex?

Jen's projecting -- those are the ages she had sex with speakers at conferences.

if you include her mental age they would also now be pedophiles

[Gumby]

And when Eucliwood comes of age, who'll have to deal with her?

I vote Lsuoma :D

Offissa Gumby! AHAHAHAHAHAHA! :D :D :D

(I see both you and Aneris got the job. We're in good hands)[/quote]

Banned for a week for using "job" and "hand" in the same sentence, in that order. Could trigger dyslexic amputees.

Man, maybe I am going Ceepolk already. I have an almost irresistible urge to opine that I should have the right to get totally shit-faced and stagger naked down the street in the worst part of town in the middle of the night without being harassed.

[deLurch]

Please ban me for a day, because I spend too much time here. I can't control myself.

Well Gumby, as a freshly minted global moderator, it is up to you to comply with Jan's wish.

[KiwiInOz]

NO SLUT SHAMING! UNLESS ITS A DUDE THEN ALL THE SLUT SHAMING!

Biiiiiiiiiiitch.

This is the breaking news she's been promising.

Or maybe JT turned her down?

Apropos of stuff:

Jen, in her earlier posts was pro sex, pro porn, and pro perversion.

JT has always been open about being polyamorous.

Someone has drunk deeply of the Kool Aid, and someone seems to be doing cold turkey.

[Gumby]

Please ban me for a day, because I spend too much time here. I can't control myself. (Actual request seen on A+.)

HAHA. I remember that. How pathetic.

Sorry Jan, you're just going to have to get used to wearing big boy pants.

[KiwiInOz]

[quote="VickyCaramel...

No way! I'm sure there would still be women like me there.

...and I'd be looking to bag myself an 18-22 nerdy girl for the night.[/quote]

Your hotness quotient just keeps accruing, chill girl.

[Whig]

I WAS THERE FOR YOU! THEREFORE YOU OWE ME!

Speaking of which, I have emotionally supported everyone in the pit. I also have bigfoot in my basement. Now everyone needs to support my claim.

I believe your experience deLurch. Your Bigfoot and the Yeti in my flying saucer should hang out. Last one to Nessie's hideout in the Bermuda Triangle is a rotten egg!

[Jan Steen]

Please ban me for a day, because I spend too much time here. I can't control myself. (Actual request seen on A+.)

HAHA. I remember that. How pathetic.

Sorry Jan, you're just going to have to get used to wearing big boy pants.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Tribble]

In other news, The Happy Atheist is setting the world on fire: Amazon Sales Rank -- #21,352 in Books. Or not... :mrgreen:

So – what does all this mean? How MANY books am I selling?

Well, that’s a tough question, but here’s some very general numbers based on average Amazon sales rank for our Dog Ear Publishing titles listed on Amazon.com (updated March 2011):

Rank Weekly Sales
1,000 90 copies
10,000 60 copies
100,000 16 copies
300,000 12 copies
500,000 1 copy
1,000,000 1 copy per month

So, I'm guessing 50 books a week from the largest bookstore in the world. Depending on the advance they gave Myers, the publisher may never recoup the advance through sales of Myers book which would mean that Myers will never see another nickel from it. And he'll never get a second chance at a book without writing it first. Unlike quality authors who write a proposal and, maybe, do a few chapters.

[John Greg]

Don't worry Jan, I'll ban you, my pretty, and your little dog too!

AHAHAHAHA!

[Stunt Whisper]

[youtube]pB2lyKQ4oIk[/youtube]

Nice. :)

[John Greg]

Don't worry Jan, I'll ban you, my pretty, and your little dog too!

Aw, shucks. I should have said little robot, or little fish, or summat.

OK, I'm banned for a week for allusion fail.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Svan has a post up about her sex assault and the discussion that was held here. http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... #more-5978
Apparently there were 4 previous posts that described her experience and if you read only #3 or 4 you get an incomplete picture of her stated experience, and conclude that the incident was between only her and her boyfriend.
I don't have a lot of respect for Svan's honesty, but her story sounds credible, and if at all accurate she was a victim of her boyfriend's father's criminal behavior.

Svan places my quote calling her a bitch to imply it was about her sexual assault, which it was not. What a bitch.

Did you read that, Steph? Yeah, you're a bitch. A nasty, surly, humorless, talentless bitch. If it weren't for the Slymepit, you'd have nothing to talk about. You and your keystone cop "horde" of internet cry-babies are never going to take over the atheism/skeptic world, so you'd better come up with some contribution other than lurking here to get your attention-seeking jollies. We mock you because it amuses us, not because you actually matter.
:hankey:

[Tribble]

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(This last one is a book attacking atheist writers.)

The marketplace is one cold-hearted bitch. Suck on it Mr. Copy-Pasta.

[welch]

OMG! Gumby is a "global moderator" now. Hopefully the power doesn't go to his head and he goes Ceepolk on us.

Crap. Now we are being oppressed by the patriarchy. Gumby, stop using your status as a global moderator to have sex with us.

Just because he keeps calling you Pokey and asking you to pick up the soap...

[Jan Steen]

Don't worry Jan, I'll ban you, my pretty, and your little dog too!

Aw, shucks. I should have said little robot, or little fish, or summat.

OK, I'm banned for a week for allusion fail.

Can everybody become global mod these days? I want Ceepolk.

[bovarchist]

There's an Atheists/Agnostics (but not, as you'll see, Skeptics) group on Ravelry, and they've been discussing the Shermer rape accusation in one of the threads. Below are quotes from some of the posts to the thread:

But all she’d have to do is not drink too much! Tra la! Tra la!
BTW, in Vancouver, there was a serial killer whose method was to get a woman drunk to incapacity and then continue to pour alcohol into her. Just another drunken aboriginal woman who killed herself with booze. The police did nothing for years. The word spread on the street, though.
But all she’d have to do is not drink too much! Tra la! Tra la!

Please tell me this isn't a reference to Robert Pickton. If so, I'd like to know how shooting or strangling women and feeding them to pigs somehow becomes pouring alcohol down their throats so it looks like they drank themselves to death...before being fed to pigs, presumably.

[CommanderTuvok]

For JT Eberhart and any of other Baboons for whom the cognitive dissonance is beginning to wear...

[youtube]MCQ7VLoY7bQ[/youtube]

[bovarchist]

Never mind, the serial killer in question is actually Gilbert Paul Jordan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Paul_Jordan

[welch]

Don't worry Jan, I'll ban you, my pretty, and your little dog too!

Aw, shucks. I should have said little robot, or little fish, or summat.

OK, I'm banned for a week for allusion fail.

Can everybody become global mod these days? I want Ceepolk.

I want debaser and JohnD!

[Git]

Aw, shucks. I should have said little robot, or little fish, or summat.

OK, I'm banned for a week for allusion fail.

Can everybody become global mod these days? I want Ceepolk.

I want debaser and JohnD!

Is this Fantasy Sex Partners or something?

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I like my 'Shops like I like my women: quick and dirty.

I realized I'm not good enough for this sort of thing yet, but decided: fuck it, it gets the point across...

...while making me look like a fucking weirdo stalker (thanks, Steersman).

http://i.imgur.com/du8HIkd.jpg

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Wow. So JT Eberhard is now dead to the FtBullies because he failed to adhere to Party Doctrine regarding being an ally. (Can you imagine how ugly it'd get if they argued over Led Zeppelin?)

Watch the dumb fucks pull out from the last con that'll have them.

[16bitheretic]

Oh hey would ya look at this shit?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... #more-5978

Stephanie Svan was kind enough to read the 'Pit and then quote me on her blog. Amusing, because she portrays my post as though it's in a timeline of posts where I'm mocking some rape that happened to her a long time ago or something, when I was actually posting in a general conversational response to a story posted here by Abbie Smith. (BTW Stephanie, I didn't even know you had been raped until you tried to make it look like I was accusing you of faking a rape, makes alot of fucking sense, huh?)

Apparently Svan thinks everything on this forum can be twisted into an attack on her, even if we're not talking about her. Quotemining FTMFW!

[Pitchguest]

I like my 'Shops like I like my women: quick and dirty.

I realized I'm not good enough for this sort of thing yet, but decided: fuck it, it gets the point across...

...while making me look like a fucking weirdo stalker (thanks, Steersman).

http://i.imgur.com/du8HIkd.jpg

Why the long face?

Oh wait.

[Sulman]

Watch the dumb fucks pull out from the last con that'll have them.

Generally, people are lionised online. I suspect a large number of those braying about JT are a lot more moderate when they step away from the keyboard. Their discomfort will see them quietly retreat, leaving a hard core of extremists fuelling one another. That'll be the future of that place.

As regards the allegations, as time goes on it is still the case that we know precisely nothing. At the risk of sounding old fashioned, I suspect all the motives of those involved; from being scorned through to simple professional spite: There is a pattern here. A personal disagreement followed immediately by a suggestion or outright accusation of appalling conduct.

I'm really curious where it goes, and I suspect this will not be the last suggestion of improper behaviour. Others will be emboldened. After all, if topping off someone's drink is some sort of indicator of anything other than getting hammered, then it's open season.

[John D]

Can everybody become global mod these days? I want Ceepolk.

I want debaser and JohnD!

Fuck Yeah! Welch.. you fucking cunt! You are BANNED!

[Guest]

http://i.imgur.com/2B0RhRD.png

[AndrewV69]

I like my 'Shops like I like my women: quick and dirty.

I realized I'm not good enough for this sort of thing yet, but decided: fuck it, it gets the point across...

...while making me look like a fucking weirdo stalker (thanks, Steersman).

http://i.imgur.com/du8HIkd.jpg

Why the long face?

Oh wait.

Because she is 27 going on 28 and no longer in the 18-22 range? Not getting laid offers at the cons any more?

[free thoughtpolice]

There is a comment from Svan's lying Slymepitter thread that was probably better placed on The Grenade thread.

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Stacy

August 21, 2013 at 7:42 pm (UTC -5)

They’re terrible human beings. They’re also shit-stupid.

The fact that the “Skeptic” movement includes people who could opine like this–about an incident the basic facts of which they haven’t bothered to ascertain!–tells me these folks wouldn’t know critical thinking if it bit them in the ass, then walked around to the front and introduced itself.

Go gettum Stacy! Those fools didn't bother to check their sources (didn't ask Peezus if it was reliable).

[Parody Accountant]

GUMBY AND LSUOMA
SITTING IN A TREE
F-U-C-K-I-N-G

http://www.wildbell.com/wp-content/uplo ... umporn.jpg

[bovarchist]

If you're sick of SJWs pretending to be heroes, you might like to read about an actual bravehero.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/60379 ... -yesterday

[Parody Accountant]

For JT Eberhart and any of other Baboons for whom the cognitive dissonance is beginning to wear...

[.youtube]MCQ7VLoY7bQ[/youtube]

HOW CAN I MAKE MY BODY SHED FOR YOU
AROUND YOUR
MENTAL SCARS?

[youtube]A1wzBI6EKxk[/youtube]

[JAB]

I reached out to one organization that was involved in the event at which I was raped, and they refused to take my concerns seriously. Ever since, I’ve heard stories about him doing things 5 different people have directly told me they did the same to them and wanted to just say something and warn people, and I didn’t know how.

bold mine
Here's an example of why due process is required... all the comments I've seen on this from either side has assumed that she claims to have told the event organizer. That isn't what she says in the statement. She says she told "one organization that was involved". Surely if she told the organizers she would have said that wouldn't she. What she actually says leaves that impression, but doesn't say that. She could have told any organization involved in any way. She could have told the fucking caterers.

Presumably if she was appropriately questioned on things then this sort of equivocation would be uncovered.

[Gumby]

GUMBY AND LSUOMA
SITTING IN A TREE
F-U-C-K-I-N-G

http://www.wildbell.com/wp-content/uplo ... umporn.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... f12085.jpg

[ianfc]

So Stephanie gets a lift with her boyfriend's father, father plies Steph with two rum and cokes and then annouces Steph must either pull him off or walk home. Steph choses the least arduous. Father gives Steph the KY then "slurpy slurpy" I guess. Probably wondering whats going on at this stage, Steph choses to go to sleep. Ergo rape.

[justinvacula]

Has JT added more or his post or have I missed...

I once admired Greta and Jen as paragons of reason, who argued in good faith and who nudged atheists of all flavors, so long as they were caring, toward the same cause, resolving their other differences along the way. I’m not certain if I was wrong then or if things have changed, but I don’t see it that way anymore, and I’m convinced I’m not the only one.

These people know that in a world where suffering takes place, so long as we’re compassionate and wish to push back, that drama is inevitable. It sucks, but it’s there. What we don’t need is additional, unnecessary drama, which is exactly what is created when we write posts in which we assign arguments to our opponents that they never made and treat them like they’re education or listening averse when they’re not convinced. We can disagree, but when we start treating each other as monsters for disagreeing, I think that’s drama that most atheists don’t want or need, and it’s time for it to stop. It’s not time to stop disagreeing, it’s not time to stop talking to one another about it, but it’s past time to start treating everybody who thinks a black speaker was out of line as a racist and everybody who thinks the Jen and Greta style feminists made a bad argument as friends to slymepitters who think misspelling somebody’s name in a derogatory fashion makes them clever.

Do I think it will stop? Sadly, no (I’d love to be surprised). But I do want people to know that there are not just two groups when it comes to atheists who worry about social issues, and that you are not a bad person, not a racist, not a woman-hater or any other sort of pariah for disagreeing with anybody in good faith.

I may not re-enter this subject again for some time, but it will no longer be because I worry about the loss of friends, the political penalties, or anything of that nature. It will be entirely because posts like Jen’s, where I must repeatedly sort out piles of mischaracterizations, straw men, and such have become the norm when dealing with that crowd. That is what makes me reticent to interact with them further, not our shared cause, compassion for the downtrodden, or anything else.

Still hating in the pit, but there is great progress here.

[Parody Accountant]

No seriously... i came.. so hard.. .ouch... wtf... fuck shit jesus... hnnn hnnn hnnn... heart beatin too fast...

SO FROTHY

This is what you did to me:

http://www.owned.lv/images/x3x51520195a ... cf052d.jpg

http://i27.beon.ru/49/13/2621349/38/103 ... e96b_m.gif

[Parody Accountant]

No seriously... i came.. so hard.. .ouch... wtf... fuck shit jesus... hnnn hnnn hnnn... heart beatin too fast...

SO FROTHY

This is what you did to me:

http://www.owned.lv/images/x3x51520195a ... cf052d.jpg

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhance ... 390-13.gif

[CommanderTuvok]

Yeah, JT can't bring himself to admit THE PIT had it right from the very beginning.

We called out these fuckers for what they actually are two years ago, and slowly but surely, people are realising it was THE PIT that called it.

[Gumby]

No seriously... i came.. so hard.. .ouch... wtf... fuck shit jesus... hnnn hnnn hnnn... heart beatin too fast...

SO FROTHY

This is what you did to me:

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Heh. That album was in my parents' record collection when I was a young'un. I knew it would come in handy someday.

[ianfc]

How many Fascist cunts does it take to run a forum like this.

[Gumby]

Yeah, JT can't bring himself to admit THE PIT had it right from the very beginning.

We called out these fuckers for what they actually are two years ago, and slowly but surely, people are realising it was THE PIT that called it.

We gotta face the fact that the majority of the community are going to always publicly despise the Pit, despite the fact that privately, that many of them read here and silently agree with much of what is said... even though they'd never admit it.

Someone's gotta sit in the back of the classroom and hurl spitballs. I guess that's us, and I'm perfectly fine with that. Because on the overall issues that matter, we're largely right.

[free thoughtpolice]

How many Fascist cunts does it take to run a forum like this.

ALERT SENT!!!!!!!

[ianfc]

The new look slyme pit: global moderators galore. Hope this isn't the slippery slope to A+ism.

[Ä uest]

So Stephanie gets a lift with her boyfriend's father, father plies Steph with two rum and cokes and then annouces Steph must either pull him off or walk home. Steph choses the least arduous. Father gives Steph the KY then "slurpy slurpy" I guess. Probably wondering whats going on at this stage, Steph choses to go to sleep. Ergo rape.

To be strict about it, the post in which she discusses this is tagged rape, but apart from that she seems to refer to it only as sexual assault.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... s-part-ii/

This occurred in 1985. She wrote it up in 2009

she says

was 15
drank one or two rum and cokes willingly, or one rum and coke and then was drugged.
entered the cab of the truck
friend's fiance's father, the driver, pulled his cock out and told her to jerk him off
was too intoxicated to "counter threaten"
her friend, who was 18 and is described as sober and sitting next to her did nothing to rescue her
she passed out several times
"woke up" at friend's house but does not remember arriving
she still has her friend's contact information (as of 2009)

Now I might think that based on her stated levels of intoxication, and her description of passing out several times, that she might not be the most reliable witness.

And I might mumble something about Elizabeth Loftus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus

Or wonder what her friend's experience was, and suggest that she contact her old friend and discuss what happened that night.

I might say I honestly don't know what happened, and I am sorry anything did happen, and I am glad Stephanie survived it.

But I won't do that as I know that would be hyperskeptical, and that the skeptical thing to do is to believe survivors.

I might say young women and men should be told of the dangers of drinking alcohol, especially when it is given to them by people they truly do not know and trust. But I believe that would be victim blaming, and come on, what teenager would pass up free rum and coke when given to them by their friend's fiance's daddy.

I might also wonder who else was drinking that night. Was she drinking alone? I would hesitate to suggest that if the friend's fiance's daddy was drinking and he was the driver, maybe she should have re-considered getting in the car with an adult she barely knows but who she knows has been drinking recently. I hesitate because I am told that is too much for 15 year olds to figure out, we're lucky that at age 15 3/4s they are visited by the magic fairy that makes them adult and wise enough to drive at age 16.

Anyway, her friend's fiance's father was an asshole and I hope Karma visited him in the form of a solo fatal car accident.

[ianfc]

I find the term "global moderator" pretty triggering actually.

[AndrewV69]

BTW guys?

I do not get the "titwobble" business when referring to McCreight. I think I understand it as some sort of reference to Boobquake but I also get the impression it is supposed to be derogatory in some way.

Anyway, I had a quick look to she if there was a video of her actually wobbling her tits around and did not see any.

In any event I am not under the impression that there is anything wrong with her tits. If anything they look firmy strapped down with an over-shoulder-boulder-holder rather than running free (pity that).

So I do not get it. Someone help out the blond aspie here?

[FrankGrimes]

Fascist tits - more than a handful is too much.