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Yes, I'll shorten "Al" to "Allie".

Makes sense. If you consider women as toilets.

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Linus wrote:I found a video of Tom Green talking to Ophelia Benson's twin brother:

[youtube]mCyj0_N5oGM[/youtube]
Dear Gawd, that old coot is fucked up. He's a riot, though. And he stands his ground. Ophelia wets her drawers when there isn't concertina wire and rooftop snipers between her and Justin Vacula.

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debaser71 wrote:Yes, I'll shorten "Al" to "Allie".

Makes sense. If you consider women as toilets.
ROFLMAO!

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I am all for bike lanes, and I think that more bikes = great.

I would love to live in a place where everyone could get around by bike. Apparently Amsterdam, along with Paris, have some amazing bike programs.

It's just impractical in some places - and I think that the right of business owners to stay in business overrides the right of bikers to have their own lane.

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Parody Accountant wrote: I like the latest batch of newcomers. even that robot Kitty.
Meowms. :dance: :animals-cat:

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Gefan wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote: She's been hearing voices since she was a kid and decided it was jesus talking to her. And the moon told her to fuck off which had something to do with evil or the devil or something. She's stark raving drooling mad.
Which brings up an interesting dichotomy (possibly, not the right word).

If someone announces that they are hearing voices, the normal reaction of those within earshot, is to smile, nod, and back slowly out of the room.
For some reason, society seems to grant a waiver if the voice is asserted to emanate from a Supreme Being.
This has never made sense to me.
There seems to be a much greater overlap between schizophrenia and religiosity than most people are willing to admit.
Gefan - you should read 'The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind' by Julian Jaynes (1977). His theories touch on this idea in considerable depth. Fascinating book, too. The opening chapter(s) on the nature of consciousness are worth the price of entry alone. The rest is just bonus material.

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"When they do it":
Is this some kind of return to the McCarthy era? Taylor is openly communist, but there is nothing illegal about that, and it certainly isn’t a reason to discriminate against her. If the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago is going to start throwing people out and arresting them for their ideological affiliation, I’m more concerned about a few other criminal organizations, like the Republican party and the Catholic church, and think there are better grounds for slamming the door shut on members of those groups than the American communists. But I’d rather see free discussion of ideas by all of those people, and think that a humanist organization ought to be particularly sensitive to the virtues of free speech.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009 ... n-chicago/

McCarthy era, for, you know, actually disinviting a speaker. Freeze peaches, sayeth the bard of Morris, especially if you're claiming to be humanists.

"When we do it":
Many thanks to @pzmyers and everyone at the North Korea of free thought for a most amusing start to the day. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... t-condell/


Ha ha, yes, because a blog network is just like a totalitarian state. I was just telling my kids they need to grow a beard and put on some weight if they ever expect to succeed me.
But a humanist meeting really is like the defamatory McCarthy (baseless accusation was wrong for McCarthy, not for PZ), you know. Or was he being hyperbolic? Nah, since clearly Condell wasn't using hyperbole, or why did Peezus bother attacking it as if it were literal?

Maybe they aren't the same, though. No, that's true, a speaker being disinvited is more like, say, telling Thunderf00t that he can write pretty much whatever he likes (obviously there are always restrictions, Stormfront talk wouldn't be welcome--nor, of course, anything to which Thunderf00t would incline) at "freethoughtblogs," then banning and bitching at him for taking the claim seriously. Within his rights, but not something that actually prevents free discussion per se. Peezus, of course, has to prevent free discussion per se at the part of "Freethoughtblogs" under his direct control, as well as to disinvite a blogger such as Thunderf00t.

But that's not a violation of the 1st Amendment? No, it's just what Peezus has criticized through the years, and it's often the mark of views that can't withstand criticism, particularly when "freethought" is being claimed by those who can't bear free discussion of their views.

I'm not discussing the arrest of the photographer here, since although I certainly don't agree with Peezus' immediate assumption that the guy was acting innocently, neither would I wish to presume him guilty (see how that works, PZ hypocrite?). PZ's whining about the communist not being given a podium, although the Peezus now mocks de facto free speech at his blog, because who cares about "the virtues of free speech" when it's his turn to shut it down? It's fine when he squelches, but not fine when the Ethical Humanist Society of Chicago disinvites a speaker. Or he's grown, become more "socially aware," or whatever his mandate for acting dictatorially is.

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welch wrote:In that facebook thread on Al's page, I'm still trying to figure out how murder is not a crime of power. I mean, someone is TAKING AWAY YOUR LIFE. Is there some form of power GREATER than that?
Excuse me, it seems your wine glass is empty...

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PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. He's oblivious to the creatard handwaving he's doing, the old "you only worship Dawkins and yourself" charge. Of course, worshipping anything was never a notion. I'd like to see him prove Condell thinks anyone is above reproach.

And he says Freethought Blogs can't be like North Korea because it's not North Korea. Zing! Total ownage.

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another lurker wrote:I am all for bike lanes, and I think that more bikes = great.

I would love to live in a place where everyone could get around by bike. Apparently Amsterdam, along with Paris, have some amazing bike programs.

It's just impractical in some places - and I think that the right of business owners to stay in business overrides the right of bikers to have their own lane.
Screw you all. This is how a real man commutes to work!

http://i.imgur.com/hoBbj8p.jpg

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Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. He's oblivious to the creatard handwaving he's doing, the old "you only worship Dawkins and yourself" charge. Of course, worshipping anything was never a notion. I'd like to see him prove Condell thinks anyone is above reproach.

And he says Freethought Blogs can't be like North Korea because it's not North Korea. Zing! Total ownage.
I think that's Argumentum ad Cromunist. Now, if FTB were an actual country, then it might be apt.

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No, you don't get it, that only makes it even more of a noble self-sacrifice. You see PZ Myers COULD have become a "horseman", but he turned his back upon this priviledge when he stumbled upon The Truth (tm). A Moses like martyr figure, screaming against the tyrants he used to be a part of, "let my people go!". Or that's the way he see's it in his mind anyways.

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Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. *snip*
Not true!
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Trigger Warning: Games

To those still interested in the Cracked article on supposed sexism in video games you might be interested in what Rhianna Pratchett (one of the Writers of the new Tomb Raider) has been saying about said article on twitter.
First and most importantly if you a going to join in her twitter conversations: TLOU = The Last of Us TR = Tomb Raider

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It's kind of ironic that PZ's "fame" peaked with his Ben Stein Expelled escapade but these days he seems to have turned into an atheist version of Ben Stein.

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LurkerPerson wrote:No, you don't get it, that only makes it even more of a noble self-sacrifice. You see PZ Myers COULD have become a "horseman", but he turned his back upon this priviledge when he stumbled upon The Truth (tm). A Moses like martyr figure, screaming against the tyrants he used to be a part of, "let my people go!". Or that's the way he see's it in his mind anyways.
Atheist Moses, that's apt. Gets everyone lost in the weeds for 40 years, while he periodically comes down the mountain for a shit-breaking hissy fit.

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deLurch wrote:
another lurker wrote:I am all for bike lanes, and I think that more bikes = great.

I would love to live in a place where everyone could get around by bike. Apparently Amsterdam, along with Paris, have some amazing bike programs.

It's just impractical in some places - and I think that the right of business owners to stay in business overrides the right of bikers to have their own lane.
Screw you all. This is how a real man commutes to work!

http://i.imgur.com/hoBbj8p.jpg

I thought that this was how a real man commutes to work:

http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpr ... s-dino.jpg


I'm just so confused right now!! I blame the patriarchy!

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LurkerPerson wrote:No, you don't get it, that only makes it even more of a noble self-sacrifice. You see PZ Myers COULD have become a "horseman", but he turned his back upon this priviledge when he stumbled upon The Truth (tm). A Moses like martyr figure, screaming against the tyrants he used to be a part of, "let my people go!". Or that's the way he see's it in his mind anyways.
That's a good way to put it--if you sped off on your trusted hobby horse, yelling to tell everyone that you'd lead them to glorious victory, and then all but the most pathological either looked away or pointed and laughed.

Yes, you'd have had the victory if you had just quit being skeptical and had complete faith in me, but instead you burned me on the cross for telling the truth about the evils of freezed peach. But sadder yet than my martyrdom is that you've raped all of the wymyns of skepchickdom with your lack of belief in victimhood.

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Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. He's oblivious to the creatard handwaving he's doing, the old "you only worship Dawkins and yourself" charge. Of course, worshipping anything was never a notion. I'd like to see him prove Condell thinks anyone is above reproach.

And he says Freethought Blogs can't be like North Korea because it's not North Korea. Zing! Total ownage.
If the game show "Are you smarter than a 5th grader" was still running, I would love to see how well Paul Myers would do.

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Zenspace wrote:
welch wrote:In that facebook thread on Al's page, I'm still trying to figure out how murder is not a crime of power. I mean, someone is TAKING AWAY YOUR LIFE. Is there some form of power GREATER than that?
Excuse me, it seems your wine glass is empty...
Why thank you. And a new vintner as well..."Roophie Wines"...I like it, has that "Sanford & Son" vibe to it. quite...pleasnnnnn.....

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PZ Myers wrote:[…]I’m more concerned about a few other criminal organizations, like the Republican party[…]
Is this idiocy new, or did he always express that much disdain for Republicans? Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of that party myself. But this is the second quote I've seen today from Myers where he talks about Republicans the way he used to (and presumably still does) talk about Libertarians. What I'm asking is, is it just me or is he moving more rapidly towards an even more fringe position lately? Or have I just not been paying attention?

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another lurker wrote:
deLurch wrote:
another lurker wrote:I am all for bike lanes, and I think that more bikes = great.

I would love to live in a place where everyone could get around by bike. Apparently Amsterdam, along with Paris, have some amazing bike programs.

It's just impractical in some places - and I think that the right of business owners to stay in business overrides the right of bikers to have their own lane.
Screw you all. This is how a real man commutes to work!

http://i.imgur.com/hoBbj8p.jpg

I thought that this was how a real man commutes to work:

http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpr ... s-dino.jpg


I'm just so confused right now!! I blame the patriarchy!

You're all wrong. THIS is how a real man commutes to work:

http://ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... rocket.gif

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Here's my understanding of the plussers hypocrisy.... What they mean when they say "victim" they mean victimâ„¢. They own it, period.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. *snip*
Not true!
http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpr ... s-dino.jpg
'Tis true!

(Taken post-PZ. Haw!)

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TedDahlberg wrote:
PZ Myers wrote:[…]I’m more concerned about a few other criminal organizations, like the Republican party[…]
Is this idiocy new, or did he always express that much disdain for Republicans? Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of that party myself. But this is the second quote I've seen today from Myers where he talks about Republicans the way he used to (and presumably still does) talk about Libertarians. What I'm asking is, is it just me or is he moving more rapidly towards an even more fringe position lately? Or have I just not been paying attention?
He has always had an anti-hard-on for conservatives of any strip. However calling them a criminal organization... by all means rip apart whatever party or movement you like. All I ask is that you do a solid critic of their positions instead of just school yard name calling. This is the biggest problem with politics in the US. Nothing of any substance gets discussed because people are too busy hurling insults.

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Sikivu Hutchinson talks with Secular Woman" about "radical humanism" and laments focus on church/state issues:

http://www.secularwoman.org/Sikivu_Hutc ... 2-39897637

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TedDahlberg wrote:Is this idiocy new, or did he always express that much disdain for Republicans? Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of that party myself. But this is the second quote I've seen today from Myers where he talks about Republicans the way he used to (and presumably still does) talk about Libertarians. What I'm asking is, is it just me or is he moving more rapidly towards an even more fringe position lately? Or have I just not been paying attention?
Oh, yeah. When the political overtook the science on his blog, it was largely snarling at creationists and the GOP. Loudly and ineffectively. It took a half dozen years, but it finally occurred to him that if he directed his barking at organized atheism, something might actually happen in the real world. For once.

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deLurch wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote:
PZ Myers wrote:[…]I’m more concerned about a few other criminal organizations, like the Republican party[…]
Is this idiocy new, or did he always express that much disdain for Republicans? Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of that party myself. But this is the second quote I've seen today from Myers where he talks about Republicans the way he used to (and presumably still does) talk about Libertarians. What I'm asking is, is it just me or is he moving more rapidly towards an even more fringe position lately? Or have I just not been paying attention?
He has always had an anti-hard-on for conservatives of any strip. However calling them a criminal organization... by all means rip apart whatever party or movement you like. All I ask is that you do a solid critic of their positions instead of just school yard name calling. This is the biggest problem with politics in the US. Nothing of any substance gets discussed because people are too busy hurling insults.
Pundits are cheaper than actual, you know, reporting. Pundits say inflammatory things and this leads to higher ratings. All the various news channels, AND news sites, benefit from partisan, inflammatory reporting.

You brought up a good point last week when we were discussing RHRC and Amanda Marcotte. She also posts at Rawstory. I read Rawstory. However, even though Rawstory might share my ideology, I still have to take everything on the site with a grain of salt. Sometimes I get upset/paranoid after reading something particularly depressing, and my boyfriend has to remind me that the left, just as much as the right, benefits from fearmongering:P Speaking of that, I just learned, from him, that Jezebel is owned by Gawker, and Gawker makes money from page hits, which come from...you guessed it...controversy!

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. *snip*
Not true!
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I read that he had to have help to get up on it.

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Tribble wrote:I read that he had to have help to get up on it.
Up and down. There's video of these youngsters pushing jello uphill.

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I've seen 56 year olds in worse shape, and I've seen 56 year olds in much better shape. Still funny, cause it's PZ Myers. After having read so much stupid bullshit from him my reservoir of sympathy for this particular old white cis hetero male is running quite low.

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mary (abbie's ilk) wrote:
welch wrote: Where you live. In many old suburbs and urban areas, the streets are so narrow that you can't park cars on both sides of the street and have more than one lane of traffic. The only way to put in a bike lane is to remove all the parking from one side or remove big chunks of people's front yards.
We have roads that a good sized SUV will not fit down..so the small towns got together and converted an old railroad line into a great biking route...It's so nice that pedestrians have started using it and pissing off the bikers...It was intended for bikes only...
And how does that help the SUVs?

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Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. He's oblivious to the creatard handwaving he's doing, the old "you only worship Dawkins and yourself" charge. Of course, worshipping anything was never a notion. I'd like to see him prove Condell thinks anyone is above reproach.

And he says Freethought Blogs can't be like North Korea because it's not North Korea. Zing! Total ownage.
They are Dawkins' fleas. PZ rose to fame because he got expelled while accompanying Dawkins. RW rose to fame because she spat on Dawkins. Here's the latest shit offering from Jezebel:
An all-white, all-male Very Important London science talk — Richard Dawkins is one of the headliners — preemptively told nutty super-sensitive "feminists" (their quotes, not ours) to go on Facebook and Twitter if they wanted to "drone on about the lack of women" in the line-up. When they did, the site crashed and the hosts deleted the "joke." Nice try.
The story has nothing to do with Dawkins. So why bring up his name? Because he sells. It's amazing how these assholes try show Dawkins both middle fingers while at the same time trying to cash on using his name. I think I forgot to say they are assholes. Assholes.

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Some Lurker wrote:Trigger Warning: Games

To those still interested in the Cracked article on supposed sexism in video games you might be interested in what Rhianna Pratchett (one of the Writers of the new Tomb Raider) has been saying about said article on twitter.
First and most importantly if you a going to join in her twitter conversations: TLOU = The Last of Us TR = Tomb Raider
It's a relief to know it WASN'T David Wong/Jason Pargin that wrote that article, but at the same time it's depressing to know it originated on Cracked. What bothers me, though, is that they specfically approached HER to write an article about sexism in games without evidently knowing anything about games. (Or giving her the benefit of the doubt, at least knew nothing about the games she chose to feature in her hit-piece.) Rhianna Pratchett's frustration is well deserved, in my opinion, because it was an atrociously misinformed article - filled with several buzzwords and (radical) feminist claptrap.

Also, apparently the girl who wrote the piece of shit is making a game with someone called Beth Maher who made this game. A game based on an artist called Kreayshawn where the objective of the game is to ... er... get to the other side, and the enemies of the game seem to be women with bikinis and a handbag. The attack is, I'm not sure what, but I think it's supposed to be pure noise. If you must know, yes, I did play it (it's short, it only took 4 weeks to create according to Ms. Maher) and to be brutally honest? It's shit. The music is repetetive (the same six notes over and over again), the level design is unoriginal and unsurprisingly a pair of pink glasses was added to the protagonist (even though she doesn't have any in the video) - possibly to cater to some hipster ideal (hers, most likely).

At least I have a face and a pseudonymous name to put to the culprit. Pixiemania. I'll remember that.

By the way, am I only one who thinks it's funny that the first person to give praise to Pixiemania for her (imo) severe fuckup is someone called Maddy *Myers*? (Any relation?)

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Trophy wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.


The story has nothing to do with Dawkins. So why bring up his name? Because he sells. It's amazing how these assholes try show Dawkins both middle fingers while at the same time trying to cash on using his name. I think I forgot to say they are assholes. Assholes.
I object. Assholes provide a useful purpose. They are more like hemorrhoids.

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Does Carrier really expect anyone to read his latest Great Wall of Words? (All in defense of his SJW cred) I like Carriers solution for people who disagree with him: "That’s a bug in the system. You need to debug the way you approach things. You should run on your brain now all the software updates I just suggested." Carrier is the programmer and we are his machines! :doh:

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Pitchguest wrote: What bothers me, though, is that they specfically approached HER to write an article about sexism in games without evidently knowing anything about games. (Or giving her the benefit of the doubt, at least knew nothing about the games she chose to feature in her hit-piece.)
Well Pxiemania claims to have played TR and I don't see a reason to believe she is lying. Pxiemania was more likely trying to score hits than anything else.
Bragging: Also I should point out that it was not just her: But just in case there is any doubt as to whether or not she is a nut:

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Anyone else seen this yet? A man is shocked to find his bottle of Vitamin Water calling him a retard, despite the fact that it's long overdue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/18 ... 51264.html

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[youtube]jtlIWXa3Efw[/youtube]


New trope vid

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From Ana Mardoll's anti-Carrier post:
First there was Richard Dawkins, which regular readers of my blog will already know has put me off entirely by his careless appropriation of infertile women like me in order to "edgily" promote eugenics.
This sounds promising...
http://www.anamardoll.com/2013/04/femin ... chard.html
Apparently it's wrong to make thought experiments about the implications of IVF technology, since that issue 'belongs' to infertile women: "But I had to fight for the right to do so because of this narrative that it's not for health but for eugenics."

Right, because eugenicists of the past were never concerned with health? :roll: Then there's a lot more sanctimonious twattery in the same vein to justify her use of embryonic selection. Of course a voluntary procedure like this is a completely different issue than forced eugenics, but the hypothetical that Dawkins proposed was also about voluntary choice.

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Musing on the meanings of "ally," Ophelia reveals that resurgent Naziism would be a graver concern than people calling her "cunt."

Progress.

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Ape+lust wrote:Musing on the meanings of "ally," Ophelia reveals that resurgent Naziism would be a graver concern than people calling her "cunt."

Progress.
She's obviously remembered to take her Alzheimer's meds today. Good girl.

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Briefly touching on the Condell issue, I see Dogberry has joined Lancelot Gobbo in being banned, in this case simply for asking why an atheist being anti-islam is 'racist'. I would have hoped Peezus had a better handle on what races are and are not before including the word 'racism' in his post title, and then saying he wasn't accusing Condell of racism. I do hate woolly thinking. Perhaps he was keeping an eye on the Shermer defense fund and simply didn't want to allow a comment from someone who had contributed. I believe these two fine skeptics would be happy to double down their contributions simply to make their point. After all, it's hard to spend money with such a good co-efficient of fun as funding around 30 minutes of Peezus squirming on the stand. Humbert, sorry, Emery knows how to contact them.

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More wisdom from Peezus:
“PC” is one of those dogwhistles blown by racists, Republicans, and small-minded thugs who don’t want to recognize the rights of all people…only their own privileged subset. It’s a pretty good marker for regressive idiots.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... a-fun-day/

So, the following was written by a racist, Republican, small-minded, regressive idiot thug, right, PC Myers?
Forget Stalinization or Logic 101-level equivocations, though. There's a grosser irony about Politically Correct English. This is that PCE purports to be the dialect of progressive reform but is in fact — in its Orwellian substitution of the euphemisms of social equality for social equality itself — of vastly more help to conservatives and the U.S. status quo than traditional SNOOT prescriptions ever were. Were I, for instance, a political conservative who opposed taxation as a means of redistributing national wealth, I would be delighted to watch PCE progressives spend their time and energy arguing over whether a poor person should be described as "low-income" or "economically disadvantaged" or "pre-prosperous" rather than constructing effective public arguments for redistributive legislation or higher marginal tax rates on corporations. (Not to mention that strict codes of egalitarian euphemism serve to burke the sorts of painful, unpretty, and sometimes offensive discourse that in a pluralistic democracy leads to actual political change rather than symbolic political change. In other words, PCE functions as a form of censorship, and censorship always serves the status quo.)

As a practical matter, I strongly doubt whether a guy who has four small kids and makes $12,000 a year feels more empowered or less ill-used by a society that carefully refers to him as "economically disadvantaged" rather than "poor." Were I he, in fact, I'd probably find the PCE term insulting — not just because it's patronizing but because it's hypocritical and self-serving. Like many forms of Vogue Usage,[41] PCE functions primarily to signal and congratulate certain virtues in the speaker — scrupulous egalitarianism, concern for the dignity of all people, sophistication about the political implications of language — and so serves the selfish interests of the PC far more than it serves any of the persons or groups renamed. [bolding mine, JS]
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/D ... tense.html

The ‘regressive idiot’ who wrote this was someone who was about six orders of magnitude as intelligent as Peezus and an infinitely better writer –- David Foster Wallace. This 'racist, Republican and small-minded thug' saw straight through people like Peezus. Just read that last sentence again that I put in bold.

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Gumby wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Musing on the meanings of "ally," Ophelia reveals that resurgent Naziism would be a graver concern than people calling her "cunt."

Progress.
She's obviously remembered to take her Alzheimer's meds today. Good girl.
Did you just say "good girl" to a strong, independent woman? DID you?

That's Greg Laden's job.

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(Said to Ashley Miller. Yes, he got away with it)

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What.

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Gumby wrote: I don't have a facebook page so...
You are obviously not spending enough time on the internet. I would suggest you quit your job (assuming you have one) and devote more time to the important things in life, namely Facebook, Twitter, the Pit of course and the internet in general. Real life as it is jokingly called is vastly overrated, depressing and often dangerous. Trust me, I know from bitter experience.

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justinvacula wrote: Sikivu Hutchinson talks with Secular Woman" about "radical humanism" and laments focus on church/state issues:

http://www.secularwoman.org/Sikivu_Hutc ... 2-39897637
I don't get why people expect the secularism movement to be a movement for every issue they personally want to tackle. By no means am I saying that the issues Ms. Hutchinson brings up are inconsequential; I simply don't see why organizations made to protect the Separation of Church and State should be expected to tackle every other worthwhile cause.

There are organizations dealing with these issues, as I'm sure Ms. Hutchinson is aware. That makes the following remark ironic:
Sikivu Hutchinson wrote:Part of the global success of New Atheism has been best-selling white atheist rock star authors and the popularization of cults of personality like the Four Horsemen. Unfortunately this kind of idolatry has eclipsed recognition of and attention to the ground work being laid by grassroots humanist organizations in their local communities.
Wouldn't her suggestions lead to a different group of white atheist rock stars eclipsing the recognition of many people of color who have worked hard to bring attention to these issues? In fact, it already happened:
http://www.postbourgie.com/2008/04/17/t ... ogosphere/
The very people working to make atheism more encompassing have a Kipling-esque tendency to put themselves front and center, sweeping away the groundwork and concerns of the very people they're claiming to help.
http://storify.com/graceishuman/on-femi ... d-enabling

A movement, if it's going to be strong, has to be about something, something specific. Individuals can be supporters of a host of different causes, but to make a movement about everything ultimately makes it about nothing, nothing but the celebrities within it. From the look of the links above, we've seen where that leads, it's probably not the place Ms. Hutchinson wants to take any movement.

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Scented Nectar wrote:Seen on a subway door yesterday, in the same shape and style as authentic subway signs:

http://www.scentednectar.com/slimepit/00018.png
This reminds me; a couple of years ago on Shakesville, McEwan linked to a blog post that was titled "I Stink, Get Used To It"(or something like that). In the post a woman ranted about how she was refusing to wear deodorant because deodorant is expense and increases your risk of breast cancer(never proven of course)and she wasn't going to risk her health because the patriarchy wants her to smell good, and body odor is natural...
To me this sounded like a passive aggressive "fuck you" to society, from a bitter, socially dysfunctional slob, but what followed on the comment thread was a thing to behold. The Shakesvillians not only agreed with the blog post but they started to try and one-up the blogger and each other with tales of poor hygiene in service to the environment, frugality, and subverting oppressive social mores. One commentor finally had enough and told them that they weren't thwarting the patriarchy by stinking and that they were being unkind to people who had to sit next to them on public transportation. Surprisingly, no one dog piled her and the thread just sort of petered out.

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Jan Steen wrote:More wisdom from Peezus:
“PC” is one of those dogwhistles blown by racists, Republicans, and small-minded thugs who don’t want to recognize the rights of all people…only their own privileged subset. It’s a pretty good marker for regressive idiots.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... a-fun-day/

So, the following was written by a racist, Republican, small-minded, regressive idiot thug, right, PC Myers?
Forget Stalinization or Logic 101-level equivocations, though. There's a grosser irony about Politically Correct English. This is that PCE purports to be the dialect of progressive reform but is in fact — in its Orwellian substitution of the euphemisms of social equality for social equality itself — of vastly more help to conservatives and the U.S. status quo than traditional SNOOT prescriptions ever were. Were I, for instance, a political conservative who opposed taxation as a means of redistributing national wealth, I would be delighted to watch PCE progressives spend their time and energy arguing over whether a poor person should be described as "low-income" or "economically disadvantaged" or "pre-prosperous" rather than constructing effective public arguments for redistributive legislation or higher marginal tax rates on corporations. (Not to mention that strict codes of egalitarian euphemism serve to burke the sorts of painful, unpretty, and sometimes offensive discourse that in a pluralistic democracy leads to actual political change rather than symbolic political change. In other words, PCE functions as a form of censorship, and censorship always serves the status quo.)

As a practical matter, I strongly doubt whether a guy who has four small kids and makes $12,000 a year feels more empowered or less ill-used by a society that carefully refers to him as "economically disadvantaged" rather than "poor." Were I he, in fact, I'd probably find the PCE term insulting — not just because it's patronizing but because it's hypocritical and self-serving. Like many forms of Vogue Usage,[41] PCE functions primarily to signal and congratulate certain virtues in the speaker — scrupulous egalitarianism, concern for the dignity of all people, sophistication about the political implications of language — and so serves the selfish interests of the PC far more than it serves any of the persons or groups renamed. [bolding mine, JS]
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/D ... tense.html

The ‘regressive idiot’ who wrote this was someone who was about six orders of magnitude as intelligent as Peezus and an infinitely better writer –- David Foster Wallace. This 'racist, Republican and small-minded thug' saw straight through people like Peezus. Just read that last sentence again that I put in bold.
I can almost forgive him for Infinite Jest.

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Jan Steen wrote:More wisdom from Peezus:
“PC” is one of those dogwhistles blown by racists, Republicans, and small-minded thugs who don’t want to recognize the rights of all people…only their own privileged subset. It’s a pretty good marker for regressive idiots.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... a-fun-day/

So, the following was written by a racist, Republican, small-minded, regressive idiot thug, right, PC Myers?
Forget Stalinization or Logic 101-level equivocations, though. There's a grosser irony about Politically Correct English. This is that PCE purports to be the dialect of progressive reform but is in fact — in its Orwellian substitution of the euphemisms of social equality for social equality itself — of vastly more help to conservatives and the U.S. status quo than traditional SNOOT prescriptions ever were. Were I, for instance, a political conservative who opposed taxation as a means of redistributing national wealth, I would be delighted to watch PCE progressives spend their time and energy arguing over whether a poor person should be described as "low-income" or "economically disadvantaged" or "pre-prosperous" rather than constructing effective public arguments for redistributive legislation or higher marginal tax rates on corporations. (Not to mention that strict codes of egalitarian euphemism serve to burke the sorts of painful, unpretty, and sometimes offensive discourse that in a pluralistic democracy leads to actual political change rather than symbolic political change. In other words, PCE functions as a form of censorship, and censorship always serves the status quo.)

As a practical matter, I strongly doubt whether a guy who has four small kids and makes $12,000 a year feels more empowered or less ill-used by a society that carefully refers to him as "economically disadvantaged" rather than "poor." Were I he, in fact, I'd probably find the PCE term insulting — not just because it's patronizing but because it's hypocritical and self-serving. Like many forms of Vogue Usage,[41] PCE functions primarily to signal and congratulate certain virtues in the speaker — scrupulous egalitarianism, concern for the dignity of all people, sophistication about the political implications of language — and so serves the selfish interests of the PC far more than it serves any of the persons or groups renamed. [bolding mine, JS]
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/D ... tense.html

The ‘regressive idiot’ who wrote this was someone who was about six orders of magnitude as intelligent as Peezus and an infinitely better writer –- David Foster Wallace. This 'racist, Republican and small-minded thug' saw straight through people like Peezus. Just read that last sentence again that I put in bold.
I can almost forgive him for Infinite Jest.

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Ethical veganism/vegetarianism, an issue that I thought might cause the A+ forums to implode, is a current topic of discussion in the Thunderdome. It took over 180 posts for someone to play the "I must eat meat else I will die from some unnamed and unidentified medical condition" card:
Arawhon, a Strawberry Margarita
23 September 2013 at 4:34 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Just as a counter to all the “veganism and vegetarianism are good”, I can’t be one. I become incredibly ill if I don’t regularly have meat, same with one of my best friends. She gets severe anemia from an iron deficiency and the cheapest and best way for her is to have a meal of chicken hearts, I don’t know why I get so sick from not eating meat because a trip to any sort of expert to figure this out is far too expensive. I also can’t afford any of the supposed substitutes since I’m too poor. Veganism and vegetarianism are for those who can afford it, meaning mostly middle class and higher.

This doesn’t mean I don’t think that livestock should be treated poorly like they are right now in factory farms. I would gladly buy from humanely raised farms if they were cheap enough, but sadly they aren’t. And I agree with the everyone saying that appropriating the struggles of the oppressed to draw an analogy to how animals are treated is shitty behavior.
Undoubtedly there are some individuals who have anemia or some other condition that requires eating meat, but I think such disorders are relatively uncommon. Perhaps that's my hemochromatosis privilege showing. Turns out Caine must eat meat as well ... but then we all knew that.

And I don't know where Arawhon gets the idea that vegan/vegetarian diets are only for the middle class and the wealthy, unless s/h/it thinks you have to shop at Whole Foods to follow such diets. I lived on an inexpensive vegetarian diet throughout much of grad school and postdoctoral years; takes more time and work than a typical American diet of highly processed foods, but definitely not more expensive. Quite the opposite.

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Apologies for the double post. I swear I only hit "submit" once.

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This from Condell's wiki article.
Atheist biology professor and blogger PZ Myers, on the other hand, endorsed Condell with a terse "Speak it, brother!".[56]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Condell

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:PZ's feeling the effects of a big breakfast and residual Viagra this morning.

http://i.imgur.com/tayFGxv.png

Says the loud, white, self-appointed nitwit who never found a pedestal short enough to climb on. *snip*
Not true!
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Guess I can trot these out again...

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katamari Damassi wrote:Apologies for the double post. I swear I only hit "submit" once.
I don't believe you.

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Jan Steen wrote:More wisdom from Peezus:
“PC” is one of those dogwhistles blown by racists, Republicans, and small-minded thugs who don’t want to recognize the rights of all people…only their own privileged subset. It’s a pretty good marker for regressive idiots.
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"Dogwhistle" is one of those terms often used by bloviating fucknozzles who constantly go through Cirque du Soliel quality mental gymnastics in a desperate to find something (anything!) to be offended by in any statement made by their ideological opponents. It's a pretty good marker for obnoxious douchebags.

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