Bleeding from the Bunghole

[SPACKlick]

Christ, I saw people on Something Awful buying right into Pissy's Rape Accusations against Michael Shermer. They were saying shit along the lines of "Why is the Atheist community so full of horrible misogynists!?" "Well, PZ Myers seems to be a fine, upstanding gentleman!"

Sad to see, considering it used to be a great shock humor site responsible for this:

http://www.somethingawful.com/news/few-words-on-2/

:(

Did you link the wrong article? No refernce to pissy or shermer in there.

[deLurch]

Did you link the wrong article? No refernce to pissy or shermer in there.

I think guest posted an example article of what Something Awful used to be like.

As I understand it, Something Awful went to paid accounts for their better forums. Then they got an infestation of the fems, and soon developed a full blow case of SJWfeminists. So a mixture of humor, shoops & SJWfeminists. Not the full website. And some are trolls. But enough of them that they will come into other forums and stir the shit.

I honestly think just about every webspace will have to get a full blown case of the SJWfemherps before they are inoculated against such bullshit.

And it is a shame. Because deep down below all of the bullshit, there are some real issues that will get lost because everyone else is tired of dealing with the crazies.

[Gumby]

Fortunately this one is embarrasingly easy to provide a citation for. I hope someone can be bothered, if only so I can watch the tumbleweeds when Nerd mysteriously goes quiet.

I suspect that people view Red Nerd to be such an idiot, that no one cares what it thinks so no one will bother. And anyone who did care about facts has already been chased off of Paul Myer's blog.

Nerd was a toxic idiot right from the outset. His standard responses have switched from his original style of simply insulting outsiders, to his current, "claim asserted without evidence, floosh", stock reply.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 1b52b6.jpg

[Guest]

Did you link the wrong article? No refernce to pissy or shermer in there.

I think guest posted an example article of what Something Awful used to be like.

As I understand it, Something Awful went to paid accounts for their better forums. Then they got an infestation of the fems, and soon developed a full blow case of SJWfeminists. So a mixture of humor, shoops & SJWfeminists. Not the full website. And some are trolls. But enough of them that they will come into other forums and stir the shit.

I honestly think just about every webspace will have to get a full blown case of the SJWfemherps before they are inoculated against such bullshit.

And it is a shame. Because deep down below all of the bullshit, there are some real issues that will get lost because everyone else is tired of dealing with the crazies.

Yes, that's what I meant, thanks. Here's hoping that inoculation comes soon.

[James Caruthers]

They're basically having slapfights over cable news, the same way PZ does on twitter.

My default position is that most editorialists are crap. They don't report news. And the majority play fast & loose with facts to make their point.

I don't pay for cable, but a year ago I was staying somewhere with irregular internet access but decent cable. So I gorged myself on cable news just to see what it was like. Holy shit. I was irritable, ignorant and acting like a pundit. Now I understand why Americans as a whole are so stupid, and why our politics are so polarizing. I still can't say whether cable news dumbed us down, or whether we dumbed down Cable News. But this was during the budget fights and Sandy Hook, and holy fuck, it is impossible to get just the fucking facts from a cable news program.

Cable News has become Talk Radio. The difference is that Talk Radio doesn't pretend to be "news." Talk Radio doesn't claim to be objective or neutral.

And this is part of a larger issue, but what the fuck is with all this "choose a side" political rhetoric. All this "the standard you walk past" and "take a stand against every single belief you disagree with" stuff? I thought part of living in society was rubbing elbows with people who you differ from, and managing to work with them anyway. Any attempt to maintain true neutrality on an issue is taken as a sign by each pundit that you have chosen the opposite's side. :lol:

[Aneris]

I somehow suddenly see photoshops incoming...
I must be a medium. Plenty of material, here.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 9efdce.jpg

Fantastic! Accurate, self-explanatory and effective (and very well done) :)

[mary (abbie's ilk)]

http://i.imgur.com/N9KPOMI.jpg

I think the bigger issue here is the 20 year minimum sentencing written into law. I suspect that many people would think that is excessive for an incident that did not result in any injury or loss of life.

It was attempted murder!

In August 2011, a judge rejected a motion by Alexander's attorney to grant her immunity under the "Stand your Ground" law. According to the judge's order, "there is insufficient evidence that the Defendant reasonably believed deadly force was needed to prevent death or great bodily harm to herself," and that the fact that she came back into the home, instead of leaving out the front or back door "is inconsistent with a person who is in genuine fear for her life."

They had a fight at the bathroom. She left the bathroom, went into the garage (which is probably attached to the kitchen), got into her car, got the gun out of the glove box, came back into the house. At that particular point in time no exits were blocked or imaired by her husband and she could freely leave by any door in the house.

Instead, she tried to shoot her husband, barely missing him, right in front of their children. And it wasn't 'shoot him in the foot.' The forensic evidence indicates she missed him at head-height. She was trying to kill him in classic 'second degree murder' scenario. At least by the evidence.

Corey initially offered Alexander a three year deal if she pleaded guilty to aggravated assault, but according to CBS affiliate WTEV, Alexander did not believe she had done anything wrong, and rejected the plea. Her bet did not pay off: the jury in the case returned a guilty verdict in less than 15 minutes.

I'd have taken that three-year sentence. Getting only three years from failing to kill your spouse in front of your children? That's a sweet-heart deal you're not going see many men get.

But she didn't. And what kind of mental problems does a person have to have to not see what they did was wrong? Maybe not in the heat of it. But we're talking MONTHS later and surely the smallest amount of reflection on the issue would have gotten her to "oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that..."

Anyway, it took the jury 15-minutes to convict her. That's how clear and concrete the prosecutions case was. How absolutely unbelievable her self-defense story was.

As for the 20-year minimum. She tried to kill someone. I'm not a fan of three-strikes laws. I'm not a fan of many of the 'get tough' drug law sentences for otherwise 'victimless' crimes. But this was hot-blooded murder. And that kind of person needs to be taken out of society because they're a danger to other members of society by their demonstrated lack of self-control.

She should have taken the 3 years..Even though she probably does have issues if she has been a victim of DA for a long time... leaving and then returning is going to make it hard for any jury to find in her favor.

Doesn't New York have a 3 strike drug law that people are screaming about..it's been a while perhaps they have all ready changed it...

[Gumby]

Fantastic! Accurate, self-explanatory and effective (and very well done) :)

Thanks. Sometimes the head you want to use just works so well with the body you want to plop it on :lol:

[windy]

The cover art for Smell The Glove was worse.

Did a search for "Smell the Glove' and came across this random artwork, haha:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/ ... eGlove.jpg

http://www.audiophileusa.com/covers400water/80580.jpg

[Service Dog]

Service Dog is fucking terrifying.

In what way? I'm not saying you're wrong. Just asking for more detail.

Is it the sheer volume of my posts, or how unhinged my images look, or that my more elaborate attempts to write 'arch' humor resemble when The Tim Channel's misses by a mile? Is it just a hunch you have, like when Ophelia Benson was creeped-out by Mykeru's voice? Go ahead, I won't be offended.

Speaking of Mykeru, I think I've found his dog.
http://i.imgur.com/axjCYbi.jpg

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/35 ... 2abf8.jpeg

[Dick Strawkins]

The Alex Gabriel Story.

http://imgur.com/a/edI3m?gallery

http://i.imgur.com/njS1fo7.jpg

[BarnOwl]

The Alex Gabriel Story.

http://imgur.com/a/edI3m?gallery

http://i.imgur.com/njS1fo7.jpg

:lol:

Weirdest McMemes ever.

:shock:

[Karmakin]

Did you link the wrong article? No refernce to pissy or shermer in there.

I think guest posted an example article of what Something Awful used to be like.

As I understand it, Something Awful went to paid accounts for their better forums. Then they got an infestation of the fems, and soon developed a full blow case of SJWfeminists. So a mixture of humor, shoops & SJWfeminists. Not the full website. And some are trolls. But enough of them that they will come into other forums and stir the shit.

I honestly think just about every webspace will have to get a full blown case of the SJWfemherps before they are inoculated against such bullshit.

And it is a shame. Because deep down below all of the bullshit, there are some real issues that will get lost because everyone else is tired of dealing with the crazies.

SomethingAwful could possibly be considered one of the "Ground Zeroes" for modern Neo-Feminism. For example Reddit SJW-dom is a direct transplant from SA.

[welch]

Yet British feminists wrote more about the politics of twerking than they did about the Islamic domestic violence apologism that Waters mentions.

I never thought this would be a politically relevant video...

[youtube]eabefjsJsAQ[/youtube]

The Politics of Twerking....

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Service Dog is fucking terrifying.

In what way? I'm not saying you're wrong. Just asking for more detail.

Is it the sheer volume of my posts, or how unhinged my images look, or that my more elaborate attempts to write 'arch' humor resemble when The Tim Channel's misses by a mile? Is it just a hunch you have, like when Ophelia Benson was creeped-out by Mykeru's voice? Go ahead, I won't be offended.

Speaking of Mykeru, I think I've found his dog.
[img]

[img]https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/35 ... bf8.jpeg[g]

It's your 'shops. I feel like your mind just spews itself onto my screen, grabs my brain by the throat and screams into its face.

[Kareem]

The blacked out bit is irrelevant to this. The important thing is that Nerd of Redhead - one of Meyers's most illiterate commenters, which is quite an achievement - seems to believe that life for gays in "majority Muslim countries" is pretty fucking good.

What a stupid fucking cunt.

http://i.imgur.com/BVBsOX1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-698652

And they wonder why people don't want to label themselves as feminists. Maybe it's because any sane person knows a place like Dubai, where men having sex with men is enough to land you in jail, is a worse place for a homosexual than America. By far.

They're really exposing themselves as not really caring about their causes but simply wanting power and influence.

[Sulman]

Yes, that's what I meant, thanks. Here's hoping that inoculation comes soon.

It could be a particularly cruel place sometimes (rather like school bullies) but the upside was some very sharp humour in the forums. I noticed a couple of years back an increased amount of earnest white-knighting in General Bullshit. This surprised me, because typically those accounts would be pretty soundly mocked.

That being said, Lowtax himself had a thread recently that was dedicated entirely to taking the piss out of SJW Tumblr pages.

[welch]

Haha, Gawker just caused a lot of SJW butthurt.

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/30/gawkers ... singleton/

If you go on Twitter, there's quite a bit of nerdrage about it as well.

in certain quarters. On my list, it got barely a shrug.

[welch]

Haha, Gawker just caused a lot of SJW butthurt.

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/30/gawkers ... singleton/

If you go on Twitter, there's quite a bit of nerdrage about it as well.

Another click-bait?
1. Write a stupid trollish SJW article.
2. Sit back while the SJWs vs the rest duke it out in the comment section, on twitter and on FB.
3. Watch as the pageviews, and hopefully ad-money, tick up. The better you troll, flame-bait, and provoke the SIWOTI-reflexes of your readers, the more you gain.

Seems like an awful lot of "news"-sites are trying this sort of business model these days? I remember mainly seeing this sort of thing ~10 years ago at places like the Swedish IDG site, where they almost daily would put up a flame-bait article about Microsoft, Linux or Apple and get a flamewar going between the fanboys (since which OS you run is SRS BSNS!!!).

Is it just because I've shifted reading habits that I'm seeing more of this, or is this sort of shitty "journalism" spreading?

Oh no, it's been going on as long as hits=money has been true. John Dvorak detailed how he did it and why in an interview years ago, didn't even TRY to pretend it was anything but crass manipulation. He still doesn't try to pretend. Ever since, i call it "Dvoraking".

[welch]

Is it just because I've shifted reading habits that I'm seeing more of this, or is this sort of shitty "journalism" spreading?

It is because EVERYBODY has shifted reading habits. Serious journalism has gone downhill. Fluff pieces are easier & cheaper to write. New programs in the US used to be viewed as a public service and the networks would actually lose money on them.

Today, people have lost a lot of faith in news reporting.

If anyone has any websites that you consider good serious news reporting, let me know. It is hard to find today.

Actually, news never paid for itself. Other things paid the bills, and allowed news to be published. It was why you could have the firewalls between ad sales and journos. Now that news has to actually pay for itself, the industry is floundering rather a lot.

[Service Dog]

It's your 'shops. I feel like your mind just spews itself onto my screen, grabs my brain by the throat and screams into its face.

I agree. Too often, my shit's been slap-happy/ bad trip/ seething with bile/ 4chan-ish/ or too lacking in substance to bother decyphering. But, to know that, I had to put it out there & see how it was received.

I think it's funny/psycho that my only tool is TextEdit's Cut&Paste function, Select+Resize, plus "Annotate" Arrows and Text. (Mostly. I have used a crude online editing tool to make backgrounds transparent.)

I think I'll start linking the wackshit to imgur, rather than embedding every image here.

But: if the Pit dives into another barehand-vs.-screwdriver doldrum, I reserve the right to passive-aggressively protest with barftastic drivel.

http://mygreenside.org/wp-content/uploa ... 24x767.jpg

[another lurker]

Pundits are great for news channels and the like because not only do viewers get to listen to someone who will confirm their beliefs, but pundits also say inflammatory things, which is good for ratings. And ratings are ALL that matters these days.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... dit-school

If you're not in the USA, you probably can't watch it, sorry:(

[goddamn 'nym]

Pundits are great for news channels and the like because not only do viewers get to listen to someone who will confirm their beliefs, but pundits also say inflammatory things, which is good for ratings. And ratings are ALL that matters these days.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... dit-school

If you're not in the USA, you probably can't watch it, sorry:(

They are only blocked when its Hulu links. CC's homepage usually works outside the US.

[Service Dog]

Here's Skepchick's intro to the following link:

[quote] Modeling consent – On how awesome it is to have a romantic encounter that is based on consent. If romance novel relationships were written like this, I would read all of them. [/img]

http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/

Here's my intro:

Holy shit, there's a new subgenre of Letters to Penthouse: "Consent Fetish" porn. And it reveals that the endgame of Feminism scrapping "no means no" in favor of Enthusiastic Consent-- is a demented power fantasy in which personality-disordered girls froth over holding a man's fate in the palm of their hand. The problem with her story isn't in anything she describes/ but rather in the insinuation that Anything Less (than him playing-along so doggedly with her coy ambivalence) would be rape rape Help Rape HELP I'M BEING RAPED* (*by culture).

[Karmakin]

Here's Skepchick's intro to the following link:

Modeling consent – On how awesome it is to have a romantic encounter that is based on consent. If romance novel relationships were written like this, I would read all of them. [/img]

http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/

Here's my intro:

Holy shit, there's a new subgenre of Letters to Penthouse: "Consent Fetish" porn. And it reveals that the endgame of Feminism scrapping "no means no" in favor of Enthusiastic Consent-- is a demented power fantasy in which personality-disordered girls froth over holding a man's fate in the palm of their hand. The problem with her story isn't in anything she describes/ but rather in the insinuation that Anything Less (than him playing-along so doggedly with her coy ambivalence) would be rape rape Help Rape HELP I'M BEING RAPED* (*by culture).

Yeah, that's really what bothers me about all this in the first place. The problem is the coy ambivalence. I've said before that I like the concept of enthusiastic consent, but one of the things that it entails, if it's looked at from an egalitarian point of view, (and not a privilege the women point of view) it has to be a two way street.

The entire script has to be changed.

It's commonly thought of as sexy for a man to push through that wall of coy ambivalence...their concept of enthusiastic consent doesn't change this one bit. The problem of course is that sometimes people don't WANT that wall pushed through. But how does one tell the difference?

If anything is rape culture in North America, it's this. That men are socially pressured..by men but mostly by women...to attempt to break through that wall.

Now, maybe it's better off overall if breaking through that wall is more verbal. But still. That's not what all women want.

Which is why the framing is entirely wrong. For groups like the Skepchicks, it shouldn't be how do we shame men into giving us what we want...it should be how do we shame women into wanting what we want?

Not that I think that shaming is the solution here. Exactly the opposite. Women need to be more upfront with what they want...and if women are truly always subservient to men...it's time for them to take the lead in this way.

[feathers]

From: http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/

Soon our dance connection turned into something… a bit more, as dance connections do sometimes. That is exactly what I was afraid of when I ran away from him two years before. I felt that chemistry, knew it could develop, and was afraid of the possible outcome.
...
But our dance connection was growing into the sexual realm. I felt it happening. The dance was over, but neither of us walked away– those chills were running all over my body, begging to grow wings. Our faces were close together, breath in sync and heavy– it was that perfect moment, the one they capture in all the movies.

Can you the hell make up your mind? Fuck or no?

I told him that he was in fact, reading me correctly. He was getting mixed signals because I myself was full of mixed feeling. I really enjoyed kissing him, but I was worried that it might lead to sex, which I just wasn’t interested in. He told me he understood, that he wasn’t looking for sex either

Haha, of course. I should try that one too.

Oh, and here is the most crazy-insane part of this encounter. The entire time we were having this conversation, we were both completely naked.

Would be difficult to hide your testosterone-induced feelings then eh?

:obscene-sexualdoggy:

[Gefan]

Here's Skepchick's intro to the following link:

Modeling consent – On how awesome it is to have a romantic encounter that is based on consent. If romance novel relationships were written like this, I would read all of them. [/img]

http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/

Here's my intro:

Holy shit, there's a new subgenre of Letters to Penthouse: "Consent Fetish" porn. And it reveals that the endgame of Feminism scrapping "no means no" in favor of Enthusiastic Consent-- is a demented power fantasy in which personality-disordered girls froth over holding a man's fate in the palm of their hand. The problem with her story isn't in anything she describes/ but rather in the insinuation that Anything Less (than him playing-along so doggedly with her coy ambivalence) would be rape rape Help Rape HELP I'M BEING RAPED* (*by culture).

I made it about two paragraphs in.
Having spent much of the last few days morbidly investigating something that calls itself mgtowforums.com I think, between the two experiences, I can now safely say:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... _aBNLWX2hQ

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Then in 2010 he was arrested at gas station, where he had set up to meet with a 14 year old girl.... He escaped the "attempt of rape of minor" charge since the court couldn't find any evidence of him knowing that the girl he was about to meet when he was arrested was younger than 15.

I should think the Hello Kitty underpants would have been a dead give-away.

[SPACKlick]

From: http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/
Can you the hell make up your mind? Fuck or no?

Except that sometimes you aren't sure. Part of you says yes and part of you says no. Let's not mock people for being human.

If you read that article and the article linked the revolution will be polite then you will see two good examples of how to change culture to avoid problems. The assumption that men will fight through the resistance of women until she submits fully to him hurts both men and women (net it results in less sex and more dubiously consenting sex) changing that culture = GOOD THING.

Fuck, why mock a good thing?

Rebecca Flinn here has said, here is a model for relationships between men and women that can make everybody's life better. We should all try it. Don't mock that, why mock that?

[ROBOKiTTY]

Pundits are great for news channels and the like because not only do viewers get to listen to someone who will confirm their beliefs, but pundits also say inflammatory things, which is good for ratings. And ratings are ALL that matters these days.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... dit-school

If you're not in the USA, you probably can't watch it, sorry:(

"Sorry, but this video is unavailable from your location. In case you can't give up your free healthcare and move to America, you can watch the Daily Show with John Stewart at thecomedynetwork.ca."

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Here's Skepchick's intro to the following link:

Modeling consent – On how awesome it is to have a romantic encounter that is based on consent. If romance novel relationships were written like this, I would read all of them. [/img]

http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/
Here's my intro:

Holy shit, there's a new subgenre of Letters to Penthouse: "Consent Fetish" porn. And it reveals that the endgame of Feminism scrapping "no means no" in favor of Enthusiastic Consent-- is a demented power fantasy in which personality-disordered girls froth over holding a man's fate in the palm of their hand. The problem with her story isn't in anything she describes/ but rather in the insinuation that Anything Less (than him playing-along so doggedly with her coy ambivalence) would be rape rape Help Rape HELP I'M BEING RAPED* (*by culture).

It's not just about power over men, it is a means by which they can all claim to have been "raped." Haven't actually been forcibly raped but need to up your victim cred? Just recall a time when you didn't enthusiastically participate, and viola! You've been raped! Don your victim badge of honor. Thus reinforcing the "rape" culture that they live in. When the bar is that low, their version of rape is probably happening quite a bit. That it undermines and diminishes the terror and damage of actual rape seems not to concern them.

[another lurker]

Pundits are great for news channels and the like because not only do viewers get to listen to someone who will confirm their beliefs, but pundits also say inflammatory things, which is good for ratings. And ratings are ALL that matters these days.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... dit-school

If you're not in the USA, you probably can't watch it, sorry:(

"Sorry, but this video is unavailable from your location. In case you can't give up your free healthcare and move to America, you can watch the Daily Show with John Stewart at thecomedynetwork.ca."

Yeah, I saw that too. Brilliant.

Anyways, the point of the video is that people are actually going to pundit school, because it is an actual 'job', if you will. Go on tv, say stupid shit, and you can make a good living at it.

[katamari Damassi]

Here's Skepchick's intro to the following link:

Modeling consent – On how awesome it is to have a romantic encounter that is based on consent. If romance novel relationships were written like this, I would read all of them. [/img]

http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/

Here's my intro:

Holy shit, there's a new subgenre of Letters to Penthouse: "Consent Fetish" porn. And it reveals that the endgame of Feminism scrapping "no means no" in favor of Enthusiastic Consent-- is a demented power fantasy in which personality-disordered girls froth over holding a man's fate in the palm of their hand. The problem with her story isn't in anything she describes/ but rather in the insinuation that Anything Less (than him playing-along so doggedly with her coy ambivalence) would be rape rape Help Rape HELP I'M BEING RAPED* (*by culture).

I made it about two paragraphs in.
Having spent much of the last few days morbidly investigating something that calls itself mgtowforums.com I think, between the two experiences, I can now safely say:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... _aBNLWX2hQ

It seems to be a weird attempt to eroticism the Antioch college code of conduct from the 90's. Good luck with that girls. The guy in this story did everything right but still didn't get laid. Sad.

[Joe]

Joe Rogan weighs in on PZ Myers.

From about 1 hour 18 mins into the following:

[Service Dog]

I made it about two paragraphs in.
Having spent much of the last few days morbidly investigating something that calls itself mgtowforums.com I think, between the two experiences, I can now safely say:

Oof. mgtowforums is a miserable place. I became aware of them because of this womens'-magazine article:
http://www.xojane.com/sex/men-going-the ... whore-i-am

On one hand, her account is misleading. She failed to mention that the mgtow's initial criticism of her was that her dating profile denounced guys who don't call back after a first date/ yet she also said guys should accept as normal that she stands sometimes guys up on first dates, without giving notice.)
On the other hand, the way the mgtows nitpicked every detail of her dating profile-- was petty and wretched.

A friend just called me to talk about this video of a pack of motorcyclists tangling with a man, woman & 2-year old child in a Range Rover.

Your assessment applies in that case also:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... _aBNLWX2hQ

[Service Dog]

From: http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/
Can you the hell make up your mind? Fuck or no?

Except that sometimes you aren't sure. Part of you says yes and part of you says no. Let's not mock people for being human.

If you read that article and the article linked the revolution will be polite then you will see two good examples of how to change culture to avoid problems. The assumption that men will fight through the resistance of women until she submits fully to him hurts both men and women (net it results in less sex and more dubiously consenting sex) changing that culture = GOOD THING.

Fuck, why mock a good thing?

Rebecca Flinn here has said, here is a model for relationships between men and women that can make everybody's life better. We should all try it. Don't mock that, why mock that?

Uhhh... by the logic of your swing dancing link; it's "sexist" for a guy to ask a gal if she wants to fuck-- and then assume that, as a default, he'll be doing the penetrating & she'll be the one getting penetrated.

I think that's mock-worthy.

[Guestus Aurelius]

Nerd's hyperskepticism (SWIDT?) over the claim that homosexuals have it worse in Muslim countries than they do in the West reminds me of this exchange between Bill Maher and Tavis Smiley (don't think I can embed it):

http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player ... 2RWSH001W3

It's at least worth watching for a minute or so from 3:45 to hear Smiley claim outright that the treatment of women in the West isn't any better than the treatment of women in Muslim countries (he suggests as much earlier in the video, but here he's quite explicit). I don't like Maher in general, even when I agree with him, but I love the way he calls out Smiley's BS in this clip. (That said, Maher's quip at the very end about what it means to really be a liberal was incredibly condescending and a perfect example of why he's so unlikeable.)

Watch Smiley shift the goalposts after finally acknowledging that yes, women are treated worse in Muslim countries—suddenly his point is that since some degree of misogyny and sexism still exists in the West, it's hypocritical to compare and judge at all. To defend that position, he says something like, "If you have a knife stuck in your back, you don't care whether the blade is 6 inches or 9 inches." I'll grant that there are scenarios in which shades of gray don't matter, but the treatment of women (and homosexuals, Nerd) in different parts of the world ain't one of them.

Smiley's illogic and the applause it receives throughout the clip lend further credence to the very kind of SJW blinders Anne Marie Waters decries in her response to Peezus.

One of the problems here is that liberals tend to highly value both cultural relativism and human rights, concepts that sometimes clash. Most reasonable people can agree, I think, that when those concepts are at odds with one another, at some point human rights must take precedence. I'm not saying it's always easy to know exactly where to draw the line, but some people on the far left who are strongly attached to both concepts seem to delude themselves into thinking that certain human rights violations elsewhere in the world aren't as bad as they're made out to be, or that "we're" just as bad in the same way when we clearly aren't (kind of a reverse "Dear Muslima").* That way they can claim moral superiority without having to deal with or even acknowledge the messiness of reality. Everything's black and white—there's always a clear right and a clear wrong, and they'll be damned if they're not always on the side of right.

*There's also the we're-just-as-bad-in-some-other-irrelevant-way-so-who-are-we-to-judge, which at least has some truth to it. I think the bigger picture is that we as a species should be trying to improve ourselves on a global scale. That we're terrible in some ways doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize others for their terribleness; it just means that we should call out and try to change our own terribleness, too.

[another lurker]

Nerd should really check his privilege here.

[Southern]

Hm, MGTOW... we're talking about Magic: the Gathering Online Wars now? I think it would be less depressing than reading the real MGTOW drivel.

"THEY RUINED BLUE WHEN THEY DROPPED COUNTERSPELL FROM CORE! WAAAAAHHHH!" And yet, I can find more sympathy for this than for "MY EX-WIFE IS A HEARTLESS BITCH THAT RUINED MY LIFE! WAAAAHHHHHH!".

[another lurker]

Hm, MGTOW... we're talking about Magic: the Gathering Online Wars now? I think it would be less depressing than reading the real MGTOW drivel.

"THEY RUINED BLUE WHEN THEY DROPPED COUNTERSPELL FROM CORE! WAAAAAHHHH!" And yet, I can find more sympathy for this than for "MY EX-WIFE IS A HEARTLESS BITCH THAT RUINED MY LIFE! WAAAAHHHHHH!".

Srsly. Why do game devs have to treat gamers as if we are mindless objects? Nothing but a wallet!?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I stopped at 4th Edition, I think.

Anyway, your mom's a 3/3 trample!

[Cunt of Personality]

Nerd should really check his privilege here.

I don't think that his privilege - real, imagined, unchecked or otherwise is the problem. The fact that he's a fucking idiot is perhaps more relevant.

[Southern]

Hm, MGTOW... we're talking about Magic: the Gathering Online Wars now? I think it would be less depressing than reading the real MGTOW drivel.

"THEY RUINED BLUE WHEN THEY DROPPED COUNTERSPELL FROM CORE! WAAAAAHHHH!" And yet, I can find more sympathy for this than for "MY EX-WIFE IS A HEARTLESS BITCH THAT RUINED MY LIFE! WAAAAHHHHHH!".

Srsly. Why do game devs have to treat gamers as if we are mindless objects? Nothing but a wallet!?

Once you start seeing gamers as toilets, this makes perfect sense.

[feathers]

PZ suddenly has a post up lauding the Ex-Muslims of North-America. Is that an attempt to appease Anne-Marie Waters (who is sideways involved with the Council for ex-Muslims in Britain by way of Maryam Namazie)?

[Gefan]

A friend just called me to talk about this video of a pack of motorcyclists tangling with a man, woman & 2-year old child in a Range Rover.

The Mad Max sequels have really deteriorated over the years, haven't they?

[Gefan]

PZ suddenly has a post up lauding the Ex-Muslims of North-America. Is that an attempt to appease Anne-Marie Waters (who is sideways involved with the Council for ex-Muslims in Britain by way of Maryam Namazie)?

At this point it could just as easily be that the voices in his head have changed tack.

[Southern]

I stopped at 4th Edition, I think.

Anyway, your mom's a 3/3 trample!

Oh yeah? Well, your mom is so slut, she looks like Liliana Vess going to a night club!

http://i.imgur.com/AIond0W.jpg

(I also stopped with Kitchen's Crack a long time ago, but I still follow the release of the new editions because the artwork of the cards is getting more and more amazing.)

[Service Dog]

A friend just called me to talk about this video of a pack of motorcyclists tangling with a man, woman & 2-year old child in a Range Rover.

The Mad Max sequels have really deteriorated over the years, haven't they?

We have a winner!

The judges would have also accepted, "The Grand Theft Auto sequels have really deteriorated over the years, haven't they."

News reports say the cyclists slashed a tire on the SUV when they first stopped it, a motorcyclist's leg was broken, the driver was dragged from the car & beaten, the police commissioner says he doesn't expect the driver to be charged with any crime, and several motorcycles were seized by police for not having license plates.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

My illustrator did a few cards for MTG:

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~kbishop1/mtg ... descending

His name is Gonzalo Ordonez Arias (Genzo for short)

[windy]

Except that sometimes you aren't sure. Part of you says yes and part of you says no. Let's not mock people for being human.

She still put the responsibility on the man to navigate through her insecurity, it's just that she prefers a slightly different approach from the norm.

Rebecca Flinn here has said, here is a model for relationships between men and women that can make everybody's life better. We should all try it. Don't mock that, why mock that?

I'm glad she enjoyed the encounter, but why expect everyone to share her kink? My personal reaction to it: Ewwww :puke-front:

I'm all for changing the culture, but not to something worse or unrealistic. The "enthusiastic consent" folks usually complain about strawmen when you ask, does it mean we need to get verbal consent at every step? But isn't that what she recommends in the post?

[KarlVonMox]

The "enthusiastic consent" folks usually complain about strawmen when you ask, does it mean we need to get verbal consent at every step? But isn't that what she recommends in the post?

This is all I need to see in order to know exactly who we are dealing with here - bratty children with little/no real life experience on how sexual relationships actually work.

[AndrewV69]

Meanwhile, I interrupt the current discussion to bring you a banned Dilbert :

http://dilbert.com/dyn/tiny/File/131030 ... %20cue.jpg

[Zenspace]

Here's Skepchick's intro to the following link:

Modeling consent – On how awesome it is to have a romantic encounter that is based on consent. If romance novel relationships were written like this, I would read all of them. [/img]

http://disruptingdinnerparties.com/2013 ... g-consent/

Here's my intro:

Holy shit, there's a new subgenre of Letters to Penthouse: "Consent Fetish" porn. And it reveals that the endgame of Feminism scrapping "no means no" in favor of Enthusiastic Consent-- is a demented power fantasy in which personality-disordered girls froth over holding a man's fate in the palm of their hand. The problem with her story isn't in anything she describes/ but rather in the insinuation that Anything Less (than him playing-along so doggedly with her coy ambivalence) would be rape rape Help Rape HELP I'M BEING RAPED* (*by culture).

Yeah, that's really what bothers me about all this in the first place. The problem is the coy ambivalence. I've said before that I like the concept of enthusiastic consent, but one of the things that it entails, if it's looked at from an egalitarian point of view, (and not a privilege the women point of view) it has to be a two way street.

The entire script has to be changed.

It's commonly thought of as sexy for a man to push through that wall of coy ambivalence...their concept of enthusiastic consent doesn't change this one bit. The problem of course is that sometimes people don't WANT that wall pushed through. But how does one tell the difference?

If anything is rape culture in North America, it's this. That men are socially pressured..by men but mostly by women...to attempt to break through that wall.

Now, maybe it's better off overall if breaking through that wall is more verbal. But still. That's not what all women want.

Which is why the framing is entirely wrong. For groups like the Skepchicks, it shouldn't be how do we shame men into giving us what we want...it should be how do we shame women into wanting what we want?

Not that I think that shaming is the solution here. Exactly the opposite. Women need to be more upfront with what they want...and if women are truly always subservient to men...it's time for them to take the lead in this way.

Exactly! I don't think you can emphasize this enough. The real world dynamic (in my real world experience) operates completely and entirely in opposition to the concept of 'enthusiastic consent'. Frankly, being of mostly logical mind, it drove me bonkers for years until I finally sorted the reality of it (see my prior response to Tribble - or was it Strawkins, damn - , which touches on the same topic). Most woman do NOT communicate their interests literally. They WANT that push through, just as you state. My take on it is that it is a test of interest for the male: how badly do you *really* want me? Are you willing to work for it?

In this environment, how is the one doing the push through (women *are* capable of doing it, too) supposed to know when a line has been crossed, because it isn't always obvious, not by a long shot. This nearly infinitely gray shaded 'line' is so variable from individual to individual as to be virtually impossible to define in any broad, reliable way. My initial adaption was that if the coy ambivalence went beyond the most minimal posing, I simply stopped pushing and switched to dis-interest. This ultimately became my default position and I ended up being very comfortable with that. Let them come to me. If I was interested, I would make that clear, period. A real life example: My SO initiated a surprise breakup. Literally came home and found my stuff piled on the porch. Fortunately I had a place to stay and just moved there on the spot after she informed me through the door with new locks that I didn't live there anymore. Weeks later, we happened to cross paths in a local club and she took me aside, in tears, demanding to know why I didn't call or chase her. I pointed out that she had told me to go away, so I did. She then told me I was supposed to fight for her. To coin a phrase: "Um, no, Homey don't play that game."

A few weeks later, she searched me out and asked me to move back in. I considered it, but I just didn't trust that dynamic anymore and never did go back. When I said 'no' to her that last time, I saw a whole new person emerge (cat-spit mean!) and was really, really happy I made the hard decision to stay away.

In order for the 'enthusiastic consent' theory to work, the sjw's are going to have to come up with a way to change that fundamental dynamic, and it is AT LEAST as much on the women as it is on the men. I am actually a huge fan of enthusiastic consent. I prefer my women on an equal footing with myself - strong, capable, independent and with a fully engaged mutual interest. In my experience, that is a very, very rare thing indeed. Changing that dynamic is going to require changing a lot of inherent and fundamental characteristics of human behavioral culture. Frankly, I do not see that happening for a very, very long time, if it is even possible at all.

[AndrewV69]

In order for the 'enthusiastic consent' theory to work, the sjw's are going to have to come up with a way to change that fundamental dynamic, and it is AT LEAST as much on the women as it is on the men. I am actually a huge fan of enthusiastic consent.

I suspect a lot of guys would like that also. Speaking from experience, although pretty rare It does make things a lot simpler.

Changing that dynamic is going to require changing a lot of inherent and fundamental characteristics of human behavioral culture. Frankly, I do not see that happening for a very, very long time, if it is even possible at all.

*shrug*

Not going to happen in the near future. Most women do not handle rejection well as you appear to have experienced.

The other thing is why would you take relationship advise from someone like Caine? I would judge you to be either insane or remarkably uninformed. Possibly both too.

[jimthepleb]

Don't get the appeal of virgins. Just once, wouldn't you want to have sex with a woman who isn't crying?

Eh?
All my partners, virgin or not, have cried.
Either with laughter or disappointment.
Not sure which hurts my little heart more.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

How do you make your partner scream two times?





First have anal sex, then wipe your cock on their curtains...

[Zenspace]

In order for the 'enthusiastic consent' theory to work, the sjw's are going to have to come up with a way to change that fundamental dynamic, and it is AT LEAST as much on the women as it is on the men. I am actually a huge fan of enthusiastic consent.

I suspect a lot of guys would like that also. Speaking from experience, although pretty rare It does make things a lot simpler.

It really does, doesn't it!

Changing that dynamic is going to require changing a lot of inherent and fundamental characteristics of human behavioral culture. Frankly, I do not see that happening for a very, very long time, if it is even possible at all.

*shrug*

Not going to happen in the near future. Most women do not handle rejection well as you appear to have experienced.

Oh, I never said they handled it well. Some did, some didn't. I always had more respect for the ones who were grown up about it, as I tried to be. I might even take another pass at the grownup ones at a later time. Had some interesting conversations with those women afterwards. I tended to like them as people (no sex involved), probably because of the emotional maturity they exhibited. Most of the time it never got far enough to be really sure something was going on. If the woman even hinted at being ambiguous or difficult, I just moved on. I wouldn't be rude or anything - not my style at all - I just wouldn't push. Sometimes the hurt didn't show until I showed up at a later date with another woman and the evil eye would be delivered on my current date.

The other thing is why would you take relationship advise from someone like Caine? I would judge you to be either insane or remarkably uninformed. Possibly both too.

I don't give a rat's ass about Caine. But the 'enthusiastic consent' idea seems to come up often and I thought it a worthwhile topic. I think it is a worthwhile idea, just not a realistic one.

[windy]

Don't get the appeal of virgins. Just once, wouldn't you want to have sex with a woman who isn't crying?

Eh?
All my partners, virgin or not, have cried.
Either with laughter or disappointment.
Not sure which hurts my little heart more.

It's not your fault they held the pepper spray the wrong way around.

[Zenspace]

How do you make your partner scream two times?





First have anal sex, then wipe your cock on their curtains...

Phil's back!

How are you holding up over there?

[AndrewV69]

Anyway,

Someone said something earlier about their brain melting (or something) while trying to peruse, was it this site a MGTOW forum or something? If it is this one, why bother if not from an anthropological perspective?

Anyway, I think the forum can be summed up pretty much with this article Where Have All the Men Gone? and this comment:

Hey everyone, I ran across this video recently and it's basically a typical WHATGM piece in the media with a female pundit used as a fire iron meant to poke and prod at male viewers to shame them, make them feel "proud" and "righteous", and get them to transfer their resources to women like the good slaves husbands they are.

Basically, these guys are saying that the game is rigged and they are not going to play. You can argue I think that they are not in a position to "play" in the first place and are positing post hoc justifications.

Nonetheless I am starting to get the impression that crys of "man up" are starting to become more frequent in the main stream media.

Obsidian over at Just Four Guys seems to think so. Follow the link above if you want to see the articles he links to by Kay Hymowitz, Hanna Rosin, Cathy Young, Christina Hoff Sommers, Dr. Helen Smith and Suzanne Venker. Here is the quote:

With the increasing growth and influence of the Manosphere – that corner of the Internet that focuses on the sociopolitical concerns of Men (which, in my view, definitely includes Sexual Politics considerations), it has unsurprisingly garnered the attentions of others “outside” of it. Among these, have been Women “voices”, like Kay Hymowitz, Hanna Rosin, Cathy Young, Christina Hoff Sommers, Dr. Helen Smith and Suzanne Venker, just to name a few, who have made the case that there are real issues that Men in our time currently face. The latter three, along with Warren Ferrell and some others, have started a new blog, http://womenformen.org/, and they have already posted some interesting articles.

I look forward to being entertained even more in the future. :popcorn: