Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Huehuehue wrote:
Simply studying or being a student of women’s studies can be seen as activism in it of itself. Therefore, for most students of women’s studies, an activism status is already engaged.
The following excerpt is from feminist Martha Nussbaum's denunciation of Judith Butler, which I linked-to the other day in reference to Camille Paglia:


For a long time, academic feminism in America has been closely allied to the practical struggle to achieve justice and equality for women. Feminist theory has been understood by theorists as not just fancy words on paper; theory is connected to proposals for social change. Thus feminist scholars have engaged in many concrete projects
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Indeed, some theorists have left the academy altogether, feeling more comfortable in the world of practical politics, where they can address these urgent problems directly. Those who remain in the academy have frequently made it a point of honor to be academics of a committed practical sort, eyes always on the material conditions of real women, writing always in a way that acknowledges those real bodies and those real struggles.
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Feminist theory still looks like this in many parts of the world. In India, for example, academic feminists have thrown themselves into practical struggles, and feminist theorizing is closely tethered to practical commitments such as female literacy, the reform of unequal land laws, changes in rape law.
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In the United States, however, things have been changing. One observes a new, disquieting trend. It is not only that feminist theory pays relatively little attention to the struggles of women outside the United States. (This was always a dispiriting feature even of much of the best work of the earlier period.) Something more insidious than provincialism has come to prominence in the American academy. It is the virtually complete turning from the material side of life, toward a type of verbal and symbolic politics that makes only the flimsiest of connections with the real situation of real women.

Feminist thinkers of the new symbolic type would appear to believe that the way to do feminist politics is to use words in a subversive way, in academic publications of lofty obscurity and disdainful abstractness. These symbolic gestures, it is believed, are themselves a form of political resistance; and so one need not engage with messy things such as legislatures and movements in order to act daringly. The new feminism, moreover, instructs its members that there is little room for large-scale social change, and maybe no room at all. We are all, more or less, prisoners of the structures of power that have defined our identity as women; we can never change those structures in a large-scale way, and we can never escape from them.
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These developments owe much to the recent prominence of French postmodernist thought. Many young feminists, whatever their concrete affiliations with this or that French thinker, have been influenced by the extremely French idea that the intellectual does politics by speaking seditiously, and that this is a significant type of political action. Many have also derived from the writings of Michel Foucault (rightly or wrongly) the fatalistic idea that we are prisoners of an all-enveloping structure of power, and that real-life reform movements usually end up serving power in new and insidious ways.
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One American feminist has shaped these developments more than any other. Judith Butler seems to many young scholars to define what feminism is now. Trained as a philosopher, she is frequently seen (more by people in literature than by philosophers) as a major thinker about gender, power, and the body. As we wonder what has become of old-style feminist politics and the material realities to which it was committed, it seems necessary to reckon with Butler's work and influence, and to scrutinize the arguments that have led so many to adopt a stance that looks very much like quietism and retreat...


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Same post as above, TL;DR version

Service Dog wrote:
Huehuehue wrote:
Simply studying or being a student of women’s studies can be seen as activism in it of itself. Therefore, for most students of women’s studies, an activism status is already engaged.


Feminist thinkers of the new symbolic type would appear to believe that the way to do feminist politics is to use words in a subversive way, in academic publications of lofty obscurity and disdainful abstractness. These symbolic gestures, it is believed, are themselves a form of political resistance; and so one need not engage with messy things such as legislatures and movements in order to act daringly. The new feminism, moreover, instructs its members that there is little room for large-scale social change, and maybe no room at all. We are all, more or less, prisoners of the structures of power that have defined our identity as women; we can never change those structures in a large-scale way, and we can never escape from them.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Did anyone commend Paul Myers on that funny rape joke he threw out at the end.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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[youtube]exBPBmTgUN8[/youtube]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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dogen wrote:
Dave2 wrote:So the thought I was trying to communicate was along the lines of:

In my perspective
the notion that Steersman was being "thou shalt not"
was overwrought
had he said that it would strike me as a futile thing to say
given the degree of respect for being able to say what you like here
but then again there's a degree of futility in complaining about it
given the degree of respect for being able to say what you like here
but it's by the by for me anyway
because I interpret his attitude as more food-for-thought suggestion than prohibitive remit.

So hopefully that's all clear now.
Again, but this time in Iambic pentameter.
Aww man - iambic is HARD.

The pentameter I'll do though.

To my perspective there was a notion
that Steersman was being proscriptive
and this is not necessarily so.
Was he to be, it would so seem to me
counter to a core forum paradigm.
To wit: free expression is respected.
But gripe about that - paradoxical!
Because free expression is respected.
Its all by the by for me anyway
'cause I saw it more as friendly advice
than rude lawmaking, yea verily.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Bhurzum wrote:[youtube]exBPBmTgUN8[/youtube]
Pretty good video. I enjoyed the dismantling of the argument that somehow saying "don't get intoxicated to being passed out" is limiting to people's freedom. It's a silly argument if applied to the field of excess voluntary intoxication. Intoxication to the stage of incapacitation does not only increase your risk to sexual victimisation, but victimisation to many other crimes. It should be common sense to provide such advice generally. It is nonsense for someone to oppose such wisdom as "victim blaming".

This C0n0rdance guy seems pretty solid, may watch some of his other stuff.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Huehuehue wrote:Honestly I just didn't care about Cyrus' outfit. When I watched the video I was convinced she'd lost a bet or something. Why else would you keep your tongue out *that* much?
I was curious about that too. So I watched the video of the song her performance was based off of.

[youtube]LrUvu1mlWco[/youtube]

Beyond the normal purtain outrage at anything sexual, I still hold the biggest issue people had with her VMA performance is that it was a poor execution & mis-match of several ideas that just did not go well together on stage that night. I think her video of that song has a better flow to it. The video still contains all of the elements she had on stage. Bears. Twerking. Tongue out. Party girl. Hip Hop off shoot. Rave drug culture. I honestly think she was shooting to make her tongue sticking out a bit of a trade mark for being that wild-and-crazy-don't-give-a-fuck-girl.

So back to her VMA performance. I think that had she done it with most lights out, highlights of neon, black light, glow sticks etc and pushed for a more traditional rave party atmosphere it would have come off much better. But with full lights on, it just looked like a train wreck with no cohesion. Whoever was responsible for directing that train wreck really screwed up.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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deLurch wrote:
Huehuehue wrote:Honestly I just didn't care about Cyrus' outfit. When I watched the video I was convinced she'd lost a bet or something. Why else would you keep your tongue out *that* much?
I was curious about that too. So I watched the video of the song her performance was based off of.

[youtube]LrUvu1mlWco[/youtube]

Beyond the normal purtain outrage at anything sexual, I still hold the biggest issue people had with her VMA performance is that it was a poor execution & mis-match of several ideas that just did not go well together on stage that night. I think her video of that song has a better flow to it. The video still contains all of the elements she had on stage. Bears. Twerking. Tongue out. Party girl. Hip Hop off shoot. Rave drug culture. I honestly think she was shooting to make her tongue sticking out a bit of a trade mark for being that wild-and-crazy-don't-give-a-fuck-girl.

So back to her VMA performance. I think that had she done it with most lights out, highlights of neon, black light, glow sticks etc and pushed for a more traditional rave party atmosphere it would have come off much better. But with full lights on, it just looked like a train wreck with no cohesion. Whoever was responsible for directing that train wreck really screwed up.
I think you're right. I really don't care about sexualisation and all of that stuff. When I saw it, the main thing that did strike me was that it was an utterly terrible production. Tbh, it just felt like she was "trying too hard" to portray a certain... image. Perhaps this can be attributed to the atmosphere being wrong as you describe.

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Huehuehue wrote: I think you're right. I really don't care about sexualisation and all of that stuff. When I saw it, the main thing that did strike me was that it was an utterly terrible production. Tbh, it just felt like she was "trying too hard" to portray a certain... image. Perhaps this can be attributed to the atmosphere being wrong as you describe.
I am certainly not in her target audience, but that's the impression I usually get from her, that she is trying too hard. Trying to shock, show she is a grown up, show she is sexual, show she takes drugs, show she is hip and a hood rat, show she is urban, show she is not a Disney character, show she is sexy.

Sort of reminds me of Stephanie Zvan in that regard.

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Guest wrote:I am certainly not in her target audience, but that's the impression I usually get from her, that she is trying too hard. Trying to shock, show she is a grown up, show she is sexual, show she takes drugs, show she is hip and a hood rat, show she is urban, show she is not a Disney character, show she is sexy.
By all means I think she can do that. Many other successful music performers have done the same in the past and have made successful splashes with the only tinge of hate coming from the puritans.

Her issue is that either she needs a better director, or she is completely ignoring good advice that she is getting because she is "the artist." That girl needs a good mentor with industry experience. The video noted above is only slightly off here or there. Over all, the composition is cohesive.

Her latest video is visually cohesive and well done in that respect.
[youtube]My2FRPA3Gf8[/youtube]

But musically... side stepping the whole canned music & rhythms issue, it doesn't quite work. The first 40 seconds is acoustically beautiful. And I also think the "wrecking ball" anthem is good. But as a composition... it is seems off. Either the auditory punches are not being swung hard enough at the right time, or they tried to put too many ideas into one single composition thus they ended up with several areas that needed to come across as high impact, but the song had too many highs already.

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It's almost like the bloggers at FTB have a contest to see who can make the stupidest post, and the winner is Miri!http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... /#comments

Telling crime victims to go to the police is just wrong and the moronic comments are even worse. Don't go to the police, they will likely just rape you.
These assholes are the rapist's best friend. Go ahead and rape one of these new feminists, you will get away with it because they won't report you to the police. They'll just blog about it, receive cyber hugs, and tell anyone that suggests they report it to an authority greater than Peezus, such as the police that they are victim blamers.

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Perhaps Phil could do a better job of critiquing her wrecking ball song. It is almost enjoyable, but misses the mark.

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deLurch wrote:
Huehuehue wrote:Honestly I just didn't care about Cyrus' outfit. When I watched the video I was convinced she'd lost a bet or something. Why else would you keep your tongue out *that* much?
I was curious about that too. So I watched the video of the song her performance was based off of.

[youtube]LrUvu1mlWco[youtube]

Beyond the normal purtain outrage at anything sexual, I still hold the biggest issue people had with her VMA performance is that it was a poor execution & mis-match of several ideas that just did not go well together on stage that night. I think her video of that song has a better flow to it. The video still contains all of the elements she had on stage. Bears. Twerking. Tongue out. Party girl. Hip Hop off shoot. Rave drug culture. I honestly think she was shooting to make her tongue sticking out a bit of a trade mark for being that wild-and-crazy-don't-give-a-fuck-girl.

So back to her VMA performance. I think that had she done it with most lights out, highlights of neon, black light, glow sticks etc and pushed for a more traditional rave party atmosphere it would have come off much better. But with full lights on, it just looked like a train wreck with no cohesion. Whoever was responsible for directing that train wreck really screwed up.
Pretty much my take. As I told some friends "The thing is, it sucked. It just wasn't good. Had it been good, no one would have minded it. But when someone has a headline shot and they just suck, THAT is offensive in and of itself."

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Service Dog wrote:
Huehuehue wrote:
Simply studying or being a student of women’s studies can be seen as activism in it of itself. Therefore, for most students of women’s studies, an activism status is already engaged.
The following excerpt is from feminist Martha Nussbaum's denunciation of Judith Butler, which I linked-to the other day in reference to Camille Paglia:


For a long time, academic feminism in America has been closely allied to the practical struggle to achieve justice and equality for women. Feminist theory has been understood by theorists as not just fancy words on paper; theory is connected to proposals for social change. Thus feminist scholars have engaged in many concrete projects
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Indeed, some theorists have left the academy altogether, feeling more comfortable in the world of practical politics, where they can address these urgent problems directly. Those who remain in the academy have frequently made it a point of honor to be academics of a committed practical sort, eyes always on the material conditions of real women, writing always in a way that acknowledges those real bodies and those real struggles.
....
Feminist theory still looks like this in many parts of the world. In India, for example, academic feminists have thrown themselves into practical struggles, and feminist theorizing is closely tethered to practical commitments such as female literacy, the reform of unequal land laws, changes in rape law.
....

In the United States, however, things have been changing. One observes a new, disquieting trend. It is not only that feminist theory pays relatively little attention to the struggles of women outside the United States. (This was always a dispiriting feature even of much of the best work of the earlier period.) Something more insidious than provincialism has come to prominence in the American academy. It is the virtually complete turning from the material side of life, toward a type of verbal and symbolic politics that makes only the flimsiest of connections with the real situation of real women.

Feminist thinkers of the new symbolic type would appear to believe that the way to do feminist politics is to use words in a subversive way, in academic publications of lofty obscurity and disdainful abstractness. These symbolic gestures, it is believed, are themselves a form of political resistance; and so one need not engage with messy things such as legislatures and movements in order to act daringly. The new feminism, moreover, instructs its members that there is little room for large-scale social change, and maybe no room at all. We are all, more or less, prisoners of the structures of power that have defined our identity as women; we can never change those structures in a large-scale way, and we can never escape from them.
....

These developments owe much to the recent prominence of French postmodernist thought. Many young feminists, whatever their concrete affiliations with this or that French thinker, have been influenced by the extremely French idea that the intellectual does politics by speaking seditiously, and that this is a significant type of political action. Many have also derived from the writings of Michel Foucault (rightly or wrongly) the fatalistic idea that we are prisoners of an all-enveloping structure of power, and that real-life reform movements usually end up serving power in new and insidious ways.
....

One American feminist has shaped these developments more than any other. Judith Butler seems to many young scholars to define what feminism is now. Trained as a philosopher, she is frequently seen (more by people in literature than by philosophers) as a major thinker about gender, power, and the body. As we wonder what has become of old-style feminist politics and the material realities to which it was committed, it seems necessary to reckon with Butler's work and influence, and to scrutinize the arguments that have led so many to adopt a stance that looks very much like quietism and retreat...


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At last something that explains how the Shakesvillians can consider themselves activists when their social anxiety(they never can find "the spoons") prevents them from leaving their homes or interacting with people who are not already 100% on board with their brand of SJ.

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welch wrote:
deLurch wrote:
Huehuehue wrote:Honestly I just didn't care about Cyrus' outfit. When I watched the video I was convinced she'd lost a bet or something. Why else would you keep your tongue out *that* much?
I was curious about that too. So I watched the video of the song her performance was based off of.

[youtube]LrUvu1mlWco[youtube]

Beyond the normal purtain outrage at anything sexual, I still hold the biggest issue people had with her VMA performance is that it was a poor execution & mis-match of several ideas that just did not go well together on stage that night. I think her video of that song has a better flow to it. The video still contains all of the elements she had on stage. Bears. Twerking. Tongue out. Party girl. Hip Hop off shoot. Rave drug culture. I honestly think she was shooting to make her tongue sticking out a bit of a trade mark for being that wild-and-crazy-don't-give-a-fuck-girl.

So back to her VMA performance. I think that had she done it with most lights out, highlights of neon, black light, glow sticks etc and pushed for a more traditional rave party atmosphere it would have come off much better. But with full lights on, it just looked like a train wreck with no cohesion. Whoever was responsible for directing that train wreck really screwed up.
Pretty much my take. As I told some friends "The thing is, it sucked. It just wasn't good. Had it been good, no one would have minded it. But when someone has a headline shot and they just suck, THAT is offensive in and of itself."
There was nothing new about her outfit or her dance. I was just confused by the tongue thing. I kind of liked what film maker Judd Apatow tweeted about it. To paraphrase: "It's nice that Miley is so comfortable with herself."

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deLurch wrote:Perhaps Phil could do a better job of critiquing her wrecking ball song. It is almost enjoyable, but misses the mark.
There's a mash-up of Wrecking Ball and Sinead OConner's Nothing Compares 2 U on Vimeo that's actually not bad. I saw it via a link on Jezebel.

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katamari Damassi wrote:There was nothing new about her outfit or her dance. I was just confused by the tongue thing. I kind of liked what film maker Judd Apatow tweeted about it. To paraphrase: "It's nice that Miley is so comfortable with herself."
Good luck in finding original ideas. 7 billion+ people on this planet. She is just remixing what has been done before as we remix photoshops here.

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I don't know how to embed vimeo by here's a link to the aforementioned Miley mash up:

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deLurch wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:There was nothing new about her outfit or her dance. I was just confused by the tongue thing. I kind of liked what film maker Judd Apatow tweeted about it. To paraphrase: "It's nice that Miley is so comfortable with herself."
Good luck in finding original ideas. 7 billion+ people on this planet. She is just remixing what has been done before as we remix photoshops here.
Oh I'm with you on that. I just didn't understand the pearl clutching that was going on in parts of the media.

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katamari Damassi wrote:There's a mash-up of Wrecking Ball and Sinead OConner's Nothing Compares 2 U on Vimeo that's actually not bad. I saw it via a link on Jezebel.
Not bad.
[youtube]rDcTgaoVwvs[/youtube]

The original was just off by a little bit. Too many necessary high punches. You have to love remixing culture. You can fix performance artist's mistakes.

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Simply studying or being a student of women’s studies can be seen as activism in it of itself. Therefore, for most students of women’s studies, an activism status is already engaged.
One of Manboobz favorite rants is that /r/MensRights and AVFM are not doing any activism. I used to think there was some truth to his criticism. But now I know better!

http://i.imgur.com/PiHr2Nf.jpg

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katamari Damassi wrote:Oh I'm with you on that. I just didn't understand the pearl clutching that was going on in parts of the media.
Oh, there will always be pearl clutching with young artists making a transition from Disney to adulthood. Britney Spears got some shit too. But she put forth some good solid production values. There was far more risque performances at the VMAs. But they were done by accomplished performers AND they didn't suck balls.

Miley got hit really hard because her performance genuinely sucked badly. Hell, it didn't just suck, it was a train wreak. Which is why people are still discussing it today.

Oddly enough, it has probably done great things for her career & marketability. If you are going to crash & burn, do it big and be seen by all.

On the same note, Hugo Schwyzer, will be back for those very same reasons. He could probably still walk out, literally video tape himself pissing into the mouths of angry feminists and still come out on top with a crowd of adoring supporters.

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Quick. I need a cold weather evening date idea. Less boozy is better. I hate cold weather.

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I haven't googled Ol' Hugo in a few days, I wonder what he's gotten himself into this week?

Oh my-- he gave an exclusive phone interview to Tucker Carlson's conservative news site The Daily Caller:


America’s porn prof injures woman in car crash, wants to go to jail
2:30 PM 10/07/2013

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Discredited American pornography scholar Hugo Schwyzer continued his unbelievable descent into public infamy after crashing his car while under the influence of prescription medication, seriously injuring another driver.

The woman he hit was airlifted from the crash site, and Schwyzer was arrested. He was held for six hours and released on a $100,000 bond.

Schwyzer admitted his responsibility in an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller.

“I’m praying for the health and recovery of the woman I injured in the accident,” he said.

Schwyzer had prescriptions for the medications he was taking, but had exceeded the recommended dosage, he said.

Schwyzer’s mother has hired a lawyer to help with his case, but the professor said that the idea of going to jail for a few years had a comforting allure.

“[Jail is] a safe place for me, given how much of a threat I am to myself on the outside,” he said.

Regardless of what happens, Schwyzer is finished at Pasadena City College, where he has been a professor for over 20 years and taught a course called “Navigating Pornography” as recently as this summer. The course earned media scrutiny after Schwyzer invited porn actor James Deen to address his students.

Schwyzer eventually admitted to cheating on his wife and sleeping with his students. He attempted suicide multiple times, and has been in and out of the hospital. (RELATED: Controversial porn prof talks insanity, suicide and sex in exclusive interview)

“I am single-handedly redefining what rock bottom means every week,” he said.

He expects that his lawyer will soon cut him off from speaking to media outlets.

In what is likely his final interview with TheDC, Schwyzer said he has a new appreciation for conservative thinkers and reporters, who have shown him tremendous kindness in the past few weeks.

He is also inching closer to the conservative view on whether sex and porn should be taught in a university setting. Some people who teach the subject — including Schwyzer — derived sexual fulfillment from hosting workshops that teach young women how to masturbate, for instance.

“It’s like teaching a class on cocaine,” he said. “There’s an element of biological addiction here that I ignored.”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/07/ameri ... z2hAkQTFji

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deLurch wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:There was nothing new about her outfit or her dance. I was just confused by the tongue thing. I kind of liked what film maker Judd Apatow tweeted about it. To paraphrase: "It's nice that Miley is so comfortable with herself."
Good luck in finding original ideas. 7 billion+ people on this planet. She is just remixing what has been done before as we remix photoshops here.

I'm not a special fuck'n snowflake? :shock:

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deLurch wrote:Quick. I need a cold weather evening date idea. Less boozy is better. I hate cold weather.
Check yer PM.

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deLurch wrote:Perhaps Phil could do a better job of critiquing her wrecking ball song. It is almost enjoyable, but misses the mark.
LOLCollegeStudents:

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Speaking of Hugo:

First question: no response
Second slightly different question: "hell no"

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Service Dog wrote:He is also inching closer to the conservative view on whether sex and porn should be taught in a university setting. Some people who teach the subject — including Schwyzer — derived sexual fulfillment from hosting workshops that teach young women how to masturbate, for instance.

“It’s like teaching a class on cocaine,” he said. “There’s an element of biological addiction here that I ignored.”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/07/ameri ... z2hAkQTFji
Saddling up to the conservatives. Here comes his new shtick. Reformed liberal, anti-sex crusader. If you are going to fail, fail big.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Two days ago, Hugo blogged that he was raped at age 19, then he deleted the post.

The account is classic Hugo-- he admits to previously telling the story as consentual hotstuff, in "Best Sex Writing 2012";
he shits on MRAs who advocate for male rape victims, he uses the awkwardly inappropriate term "throat fucked" to describe the event.

This blog: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2013/10 ... damage.com

...gives an excellent analysis of Hugo's claim, including correcting Hugo's factual errors-- and reminding readers that Hugo accused an 11 year old boy of raping his nanny-- because the boy's parents were rich. Check your privilege, kid.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Post by DownThunder »

Jail is alluring? This clown is in for a shock. Also thanks delurch for giving me the mental image of a Schwyzer/Marcotte urine fetish fanfic.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Huehuehue wrote: Sorry from that wiki article this made me laugh:
Simply studying or being a student of women’s studies can be seen as activism in it of itself. Therefore, for most students of women’s studies, an activism status is already engaged. To foster the growth of the study body, one of the key aspects of women’s studies classes and programs is to connect the classroom to social change. Women’s studies classes and programs focus on power structures, oppression, inequality, and social suffering. Students are encouraged to bridge their learning and community involvement and take action in the world to foster positive social transformation. Students and feminist activists not only learn about oppression in society but also look at the possibility for a global unity in difference
Emphasis mine.

This simply is not a neutral point of view. Simply studying women's studies is activism? No it's not. It's such a sense of smug self-righteousness to proclaim such a thing.
This is the shit feminists are trying to make a mandatory high school class in the UK. Although I will give those British feminists credit for being honest enough to directly call for Feminist Studies, rather than the euphemistic "gender studies".

I don't know if this happens in the US, but some British schools already feature feminist studies as a significant part of PSHE (Personal, Social and Health Education), and from what I can see there's rarely anything neutral about it. For example, I've seen PSHE teachers make writing letters in support of feminist campaigns a classroom activity, or even take students on a field trip to picket against lads' mags outside the local supermarket.

This classroom resource from The Guardian's Teacher Network is a good example:
Socialisation of Girls and the Impact of the 'Page 3'

A look at gender stereotypes; the myth of the 'male' and 'female' brain; how the child's brain works in categorising things in the world; how girls and boys are socialised from birth; the danger of the predominance of the passive 'girl' stereotype; the 'stereotype threat' - the negative cognitive effect that negative stereotypes like Page 3 have on girls and women. Teachers (and students) may also wish to sign the No More Page 3 petition.

Shared by: S. Davies-Arai
Age group: Secondary (age 11-18)
Subject: PSHE
Topic: Other
Of course in the UK girls do significantly better in school/college than boys, but just imagine how far ahead they'd be without the "negative cognitive effect" of bare boobs in newspapers...

For the most part women's studies is just feminist propaganda and activism sold as education, but at least in a college it's an optional class chosen by adults, not something pushed on 11-year-olds. To me this kind of thing is about on a par with faith schools indoctrinating kids into a religion.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Service Dog wrote:Two days ago, Hugo blogged that he was raped at age 19, then he deleted the post.

The account is classic Hugo-- he admits to previously telling the story as consentual hotstuff, in "Best Sex Writing 2012";
he shits on MRAs who advocate for male rape victims, he uses the awkwardly inappropriate term "throat fucked" to describe the event.

This blog: http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2013/10 ... damage.com

...gives an excellent analysis of Hugo's claim, including correcting Hugo's factual errors-- and reminding readers that Hugo accused an 11 year old boy of raping his nanny-- because the boy's parents were rich. Check your privilege, kid.
Hugo is a sociopath (my Internet diagnosis) and a well known liar.

I wouldn't trust this account anymore than anything else he writes.

It again sounds as though he is trying to deflect personal responsibility and blame others and blame men for his bullshit. And here, he is in his WEEKLY group session only about a month after hospitalization. The story REEKS of bullshit and attention whoring.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Damn, look at how bad social justice warriors are skullfucking every area of society they have barged into.

Now imagine what they'd do to society if they were allowed to teach their ideology with the full force of educational/governmental authority in classrooms from middle school on. Think about how you were as a child, and how easy it was for adults to get you to believe all kinds of stupid shit.

I don't believe that all people can just be indoctrinated to believe whatever. But it takes a lot of time, self-honesty and pain to break out of cultural brainwashing, and it becomes a sort of ongoing process and may fuck up your early life.

I was going to write that teaching children it's okay to not conform to gender roles seems alright. But then I remembered what being a kid was like, and what a confusing time it was. I think schools should stay out of gender identity entirely during those early years. Just don't even talk about it. Maybe say that girls and boys have some biological differences, but don't tell anyone they should or should not conform to behavioral norms. Because kids develop differently.

If schools make value judgements on which life styles/gender identities are good, and which are not, we may see kids who are naturally passive (who are girls) feeling sad and trying to change themselves. And we may see boys who are naturally active feeling ashamed because they are told stereotypical gender roles are less good. I know some radical feminists will say that would never happen, but I go to a liberal college and you can practically taste the venom whenever white, heterosexual or male individuals are mentioned. My experience in primary school showed me that many teachers are bitter and petty, and not above using their class podium to push their ideology. Kids don't have any defenses against brainwashing.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Speaking of attention whoring, Melody Henley seeks advice about a nose piercing on Facebook, and doesn't like the responses:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... e-shocked/

From Lousy Canuckeault's post:
Turns out that a number of people in the freethought community have some decidedly backward views on the matter — not that, at this point, you should be surprised that we as a group are prone to every one of the foibles of society as a whole. In this specific case, not just as a matter of giving their opinion of “yes” or “no”, or making some lame joke about it. I’m talking full-on body modification shaming, occasionally veering straight into body-shaming, the likes of which I almost never see leveled at men.

Melody is the Executive Director for CFI-DC. As such, she’s in a unique position, where she might be called upon to be the spokesperson for an event or series of events, like she was for Women In Secularism, the annual conference for which she’s largely responsible. She clarified that she was thinking of a side stud, not a septum piercing or ring. People were still put out, apparently. What should have been a simple matter of opinion became a splash-damagey cavalcade of judgmentalism.
OH NOES, a cavalcade of judgmental judgeypants! Melody's unblemished nasal alae so important!

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deLurch wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:There's a mash-up of Wrecking Ball and Sinead OConner's Nothing Compares 2 U on Vimeo that's actually not bad. I saw it via a link on Jezebel.
Not bad.
snip smileytube

The original was just off by a little bit. Too many necessary high punches. You have to love remixing culture. You can fix performance artist's mistakes.
My favourite has to be the mash up of the anodyne Taylor Swift and a slow Korn song.

[youtube]0P7gar7efHI[/youtube]

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KiwiInOz wrote:
My favourite has to be the mash up of the anodyne Taylor Swift and a slow Korn song.

[youtube]0P7gar7efHI[/youtube]
LOVE THIS! And I hate Taylor Swift.

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James Caruthers wrote:Damn, look at how bad social justice warriors are skullfucking every area of society they have barged into.

Now imagine what they'd do to society if they were allowed to teach their ideology with the full force of educational/governmental authority in classrooms from middle school on. Think about how you were as a child, and how easy it was for adults to get you to believe all kinds of stupid shit.

I don't believe that all people can just be indoctrinated to believe whatever. But it takes a lot of time, self-honesty and pain to break out of cultural brainwashing, and it becomes a sort of ongoing process and may fuck up your early life.

I was going to write that teaching children it's okay to not conform to gender roles seems alright. But then I remembered what being a kid was like, and what a confusing time it was. I think schools should stay out of gender identity entirely during those early years. Just don't even talk about it. Maybe say that girls and boys have some biological differences, but don't tell anyone they should or should not conform to behavioral norms. Because kids develop differently.

If schools make value judgements on which life styles/gender identities are good, and which are not, we may see kids who are naturally passive (who are girls) feeling sad and trying to change themselves. And we may see boys who are naturally active feeling ashamed because they are told stereotypical gender roles are less good. I know some radical feminists will say that would never happen, but I go to a liberal college and you can practically taste the venom whenever white, heterosexual or male individuals are mentioned. My experience in primary school showed me that many teachers are bitter and petty, and not above using their class podium to push their ideology. Kids don't have any defenses against brainwashing.
Took the words out of my mouth.

The example given by KenD is for "11-18", all I can say is "what?" I'm all in favor of sex education at a young age, but I feel like talking about an issue such as gender roles and identity is really complicated. I may be remembering this wrong but I think I may have found it a lot easier to just categorize things as "good" and "bad" when I was a kid. Trying to teach kids complex identity issues where it's just a lot of grey is going to be very confusing.

You're literally talking about a course which is telling kids about how kids are brought up to think a certain way, as they are growing up. That is just too complicated.

Teach kids that it's ok to be different from other kids, but don't push a certain viewpoint on them.
For the most part women's studies is just feminist propaganda and activism sold as education, but at least in a college it's an optional class chosen by adults, not something pushed on 11-year-olds. To me this kind of thing is about on a par with faith schools indoctrinating kids into a religion.
Also agree with this KenD. Teaching kids the history of feminism (like suffragettes) etc is not, in itself a bad thing, but pushing forward a particular viewpoint can be dangerous if targeted to a certain agenda.

Of course a balance is to be struck here, obviously teaching kids that racism is bad, and sexism is bad is a good thing. (Then again, schooling vs parenting can apply here). But feminist discourse is, like all schools of thought, subject to criticism and it should not be passed on as a one "truth" to children.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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deLurch wrote:
yomomma wrote:Regardless of WHY she feels what I suspect to be more sexualized than many of her better looking peers outside of skepticism, it doesn't change the fact that she thinks men find her disproportionately sexy, I suspect (ie; they sexualize her).
Honestly, I just here her regurgitating a lot of feminist talking points about sexualization & objectification. It's true because that is what feminism tells her & it gives her an attack weapon to "shame" her critics with. As to if she really feels this is true may be a laughable issue all unto itself.
yomomma wrote:You "suspect"? Okay, if this is an argument about semantics, then I'll revise my statement and say, "I suspect that RW thinks she's the object of most skeptic men's desires."

We good now?
Yup. Totally good. There are probably a lot of debates going on in the pitt that revolve around people saying more than they know or can reasonably prove. Good eye in catching that.
yomomma wrote:
deLurch wrote:I am willing to be a few well placed words targeting her appearance on the right day would most likely send her to her bed in tears.
Could be -- as with most people, even those who think they're all that. So, what's your point? I ask this sincerely because I really don't get it.
I brought that up for two reasons. One, is that we were having a discussion about what Watson thinks of herself. Two, she recently mentioned in a video I think that sometimes some of the nasty emails do in fact send her to her bed to cry. Now I doubt the correspondence that sends her crying to bed are of the normal troll type posted on her "wall-o-hate." But I do wonder if it is an issue of if the correspondence comes from someone she knows, if it is well articulated critics of her speeches such as the evo-psych talk, or critics of her behavior & antics, or some very well placed pot-shots at her appearance & ego that hits just a little too close to home in terms of truth.

I guess my point is that I suspect she either has a very low sense of self esteem and what we see is a facade, OR that any level of overly inflated sense of self worth she has is set on a very precarious foundation that is way too easy to knock down.
yomomma wrote:Are you saying how she looks should be off limits and mockery here because maybe she's suffering inside?
Personally, I would prefer she be taken to task for her words & actions, as those tend to be the areas where I take real issue with her. Knocking off on someone's appearances is way too easy. Most people don't have room to talk in that arena either. But I also believe that if someone dishes it out, they should be ready to take it too. If someone starts knocking off her her appearance or sexuality, I would feel far better about it if they linked those comments directly to her comments (assuming there are any) of her knocking off on someone else's appearance or sexuality. Otherwise to me & others unfamiliar, it looks like weak sauce.
yomomma wrote:IMO, if you are going to put yourself out there as a public figure and make comments about how you're being sexualized and how she gets hit on all the time and skeptic events aren't safe places but rape dens (hyperbole acknowledged), you have to be open to the fact that people are going to challenge, mock and make fun of you.
That kind of reaction is to be expected if you place yourself forth as a public figure of any kind. I certainly understand people not understanding how anyone would view her as attractive. But I also get that more public figures, even z-list celebrities get more attention than they might desire... or at least from people they don't prefer.

I will fully agree that I think it is weak sauce for her to be knocking off about people commenting on her appearance. She is savvy enough to know this shit happens to people with higher profiles and what the correct course of action is to take. For her, this will be an eternal fountain of "outrage" until she falls back into obscurity.

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I don't know what 'holy-crap-what-shitty-wall-o-text' you just spewed out either. Not sure if it's some sort of nouveau white knight thing :violin: or what, but I'm going to disagree with you. I'll save my sympathies for someone more deserving and continue to challenge RW on my *suspected* belief that she thinks she's hot shit when she's not (and this includes her supposed sex appeal), unless a moderator wants to come by and tell me I can't. You are welcome to think it's weak sauce and focus your criticisms somewhere else. Your disagreement has been noted, but has failed to convince me that RW deserves anything more from me.

Good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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From Miri"s post about telling people not to encourage reporting rape to the police, some advice she has allowed to stay on her comment section.
Black Hole

October 8, 2013 at 12:32 am (UTC -6)

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Yes, reports to the police may result in bigger problems than you already have. I’m sure you are aware of the problems much more than I am. I have reported harassment in order to get it to stop, but it doesn’t work (unless I track it down myself and get a little up-close-and-obnoxious, but that isn’t everyone’s style; I personally like to scare the living hell out of people — that isn’t your style, I suppose) (they are big, I am small, they do not understand viscous traps, and I do not care to explain them to idiots).

I am a male. You might ignore any unsolicited advice I offer, but you might want to consider it. I have been attacked many times in my life; the usual attacks have been by larger men. The clue to most of them: larger but MUCH stupider men. Any weapon I can reach is effective.

My personal credo is to make them suffer FAR more than they make me suffer. Carry knives. Learn self-defense moves. When they are on the ground, kick them viciously. Memorize license plates. Slash tires. Stomp heads. Use firearms.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
deLurch wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:There's a mash-up of Wrecking Ball and Sinead OConner's Nothing Compares 2 U on Vimeo that's actually not bad. I saw it via a link on Jezebel.
Not bad.
snip smileytube

The original was just off by a little bit. Too many necessary high punches. You have to love remixing culture. You can fix performance artist's mistakes.
My favourite has to be the mash up of the anodyne Taylor Swift and a slow Korn song.

[youtube]0P7gar7efHI[/youtube]

That was worth watching just to see the H. R. Giger custom microphone stand in use.

http://www.hrgiger.com/music/korn.htm

I love Giger's work.

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deLurch wrote: Her latest video is visually cohesive and well done in that respect.
[youtube]My2FRPA3Gf8[/youtube]

But musically... side stepping the whole canned music & rhythms issue, it doesn't quite work. The first 40 seconds is acoustically beautiful. And I also think the "wrecking ball" anthem is good. But as a composition... it is seems off. Either the auditory punches are not being swung hard enough at the right time, or they tried to put too many ideas into one single composition thus they ended up with several areas that needed to come across as high impact, but the song had too many highs already.
Pfft. Nothing but a tarted-up Hannah Montana seeking to use notoriety, rather than talent, to remain relevant.

*This* is "Wrecking Ball", motherfuckers!

[youtube]F9N5MGRPV0I[/youtube]

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BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of attention whoring, Melody Henley seeks advice about a nose piercing on Facebook, and doesn't like the responses:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... e-shocked/

From Lousy Canuckeault's post:
Turns out that a number of people in the freethought community have some decidedly backward views on the matter — not that, at this point, you should be surprised that we as a group are prone to every one of the foibles of society as a whole. In this specific case, not just as a matter of giving their opinion of “yes” or “no”, or making some lame joke about it. I’m talking full-on body modification shaming, occasionally veering straight into body-shaming, the likes of which I almost never see leveled at men.

Melody is the Executive Director for CFI-DC. As such, she’s in a unique position, where she might be called upon to be the spokesperson for an event or series of events, like she was for Women In Secularism, the annual conference for which she’s largely responsible. She clarified that she was thinking of a side stud, not a septum piercing or ring. People were still put out, apparently. What should have been a simple matter of opinion became a splash-damagey cavalcade of judgmentalism.
OH NOES, a cavalcade of judgmental judgeypants! Melody's unblemished nasal alae so important!
Indeed. Meanwhile, in Syria...

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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deLurch wrote: Her issue is that either she needs a better director, or she is completely ignoring good advice that she is getting because she is "the artist." That girl needs a good mentor with industry experience. The video noted above is only slightly off here or there. Over all, the composition is cohesive.

Her latest video is visually cohesive and well done in that respect.
Well, that video was directed by Terry Richardson, 4chan's favourite photographer. At least he didn't do what he has with other models and pictured her with his cock in her mouth.

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yomomma wrote:<reply to deLurch> I don't know what 'holy-crap-what-shitty-wall-o-text' you just spewed out either. Not sure if it's some sort of nouveau white knight thing :violin: or what, but I'm going to disagree with you. I'll save my sympathies for someone more deserving and continue to challenge RW on my *suspected* belief that she thinks she's hot shit when she's not (and this includes her supposed sex appeal), unless a moderator wants to come by and tell me I can't. You are welcome to think it's weak sauce and focus your criticisms somewhere else. Your disagreement has been noted, but has failed to convince me that RW deserves anything more from me.

Good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!
First, appearance (aesthetics) isn't a terribly reliable avenue for criticism unless claims or wishful thinking doesn't correspond with what people generally find aestethical, also see Aesthetic Judgement. Beauty ideals currently don't favour one eyed midgets for example, if someone like that claimed to be sexiest person alive, you'd have a point. However, the more someone corresponds to general expectations even if ‘average’, the weaker your argument will be. And since she isn't a one eyed midget believing to be the sexiest person alive, the whole point isn't terribly convincing.

Secondly, I don't believe that her appearance is important to her views, and else it is unknowable unless you know her well personally. Like the rest of the SJW crowd, she found a tool kit to win debates on the internet, without needing to know any facts, without being good at rhetorics or generally, without being all too smart. It's a well evolved argumentation system that maximally exploits a progressive environment, as it has ready-made argumentation schemes and killer memes for any situation, while simultaneously sound true to progressive people (who are perhaps more afraid to agree to a misogynist, racist etc than to call out unfair labelling — which could be, and is, exploited to be an excuse for these things, so better not risking calling lut unfair labelling).

Her claims to be harassed (which is certainly true) have a political function as she never ever has to deal with criticism, because critics automatically go onto the harasser pile. The next big chunk are filtered out by dogpiles, after that they also go onto the harasser pile, and the remaining few are ignored, blocked, kept in moderation limbo and so forth. I don't see what any of that has to do with her (allegedly) believing to be pretty.

Watson is beyond criticism, even on topics that are about her. And this is also due to stupids who would even criticise her for voluntary work in a homeless shelter (which she would of course only do to further her reputation).

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Black Hole

October 8, 2013 at 12:32 am (UTC -6)

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Yes, reports to the police may result in bigger problems than you already have. I’m sure you are aware of the problems much more than I am. I have reported harassment in order to get it to stop, but it doesn’t work (unless I track it down myself and get a little up-close-and-obnoxious, but that isn’t everyone’s style; I personally like to scare the living hell out of people — that isn’t your style, I suppose) (they are big, I am small, they do not understand viscous traps, and I do not care to explain them to idiots).

I am a male. You might ignore any unsolicited advice I offer, but you might want to consider it. I have been attacked many times in my life; the usual attacks have been by larger men. The clue to most of them: larger but MUCH stupider men. Any weapon I can reach is effective.

My personal credo is to make them suffer FAR more than they make me suffer. Carry knives. Learn self-defense moves. When they are on the ground, kick them viciously. Memorize license plates. Slash tires. Stomp heads. Use firearms.
Earlier on the Pitt we talked about why the advice the SJWs were giving to women (avoid police bcuz sexism) was extremely dangerous and would encourage repeat rapes. Well, here is more incredibly dangerous advice. I would like to talk for a minute about the obnoxious "street tough" characters who make giving practical self-defense advice so difficult.

-First, the advice about carrying knives. You know what a knife is good for?
1) Murdering someone
2) Getting yourself arrested for murder
3) Getting yourself arrested for carrying the wrong kind of knife
4) Getting yourself arrested for brandishing a knife in a threatening manner
5) Getting yourself arrested for defending yourself with a deadly weapon in such a way that the attacker is now dead

In most states, you can't carry weapons which demonstrate to the judge you are going outside with the intend to attack someone, and then claim self-defense. It's legally safer to carry a gun with a CCW permit than to carry a knife, especially these "self-defense knives" which look like assassination weapons to our courts and may be outlawed in your state. Knives don't allow for control of force the way stun and blunt weapons do, and they don't stop an attacker as well as a gun.

-Second, kicking someone in the head while they are down may be a good way to stay alive, but so is running away. And if you kick them in the head and they die, you may be guilty of manslaughter or even murder, for attacking someone who did not pose an immediate threat. My first rule of self-defense (for recognizing real self-defense tips) is to see if retreat, running away, giving the mugger your money, etc are mentioned as options. A lot of these self-defense gurus seem an awful lot like egotistical pricks who obsess over "winning."

-Third, the general obsession this guy has with inflicting suffering? This is pretty common on FTB, but also among macho fake self-defense losers. If you actually are "trapping" people (as in, exacerbating a violent situation because you have stacked the deck in your favor), you may be criminally liable for inciting the violence against you. It may not really be self-defense. No wonder this guy hates cops. While "making them suffer FAR more than they made me suffer" may be legally permitted depending upon the context, if this guy is baiting attacks and using his small size as justification for extreme force, that may not be defensible.

-Fourth, the obsession with martial arts. While helpful, martial arts cannot protect you half as well as staying away from dangerous neighborhoods, traveling with a friend when you do go to dangerous places, not loitering in dangerous areas, staying with crowds when you feel stalked or followed, staying alert to your surroundings and calling the police can. People who really want to stay safe vs people who want to whup ass on "the street" are two different groups, and unfortunately the latter seems to have infected a lot of the internet.

My point is he is giving all this dangerous, aggressive advice to people who already feel like victims. They already have their justification for lethal force (their victim status.) So if they follow his advice, all these people who feel like victims will be avoiding the cops, carrying a bunch of lethal weapons, not understanding the law or legal system surrounding reasonable self defense, and going around with this chip on their shoulders (like him) about having to "win" fights and punish evildoers (because the abusive, sexist cops won't do it, after all.)

Another recipe for disaster.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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FFS, don't start the carrying knives discussion again. It was more boring than the hammer/screwdriver topic last time.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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yomomma wrote:
ERV wrote: Paulas Choice just released a Vit C + Ferulic acid. I cant compare the two, but I tried a trial bottle of PC with last months sale (15% off everything, never order anything full price from them, just wait for a sale). I didnt want to like it (didnt figure it would be an essential product for me), but I did notice a dramatic decrease in the time it takes red post-acne lesions to resolve. It used to take at least a month for them to be readily covered up by foundation, and now its about two weeks. Very obvious benefit, for me. So I ended up getting a couple more trial vials on sale.
I love Paula's Choice products! I never meet anyone who knows what that product line is. That is so cool that you know! Now I feel a sort of shallow kinship with you.
I started using her stuff October last year, after PC got a positive review from a beauty vlogger I watch, gossmakeupartist. I used up products I had that were on PCs 'best' list, but otherwise, I threw everything else away. After a year of PC skin-care only (I even stopped the topical antibiotics, which didnt do much for me anyway, and had so much alcohol in it it made my eyes water), and my skin is literally unrecognizable.

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I love face acid. I think everyone should use face acid, even men. Thats another reason why I love PC-- she doesnt add weird fragrances/girly packaging, so guys can (and should) use her stuff too. Women are 'supposed' to be worried about wrinkles and acne, while men are just 'supposed' to suck it up and deal with it. Its not fair.

FACE ACID FOR EVERYONE!!! FACE ACID AND SUNSCREEN!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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bhoytony wrote:FFS, don't start the carrying knives discussion again. It was more boring than the hammer/screwdriver topic last time.
Agreed. Would this be a bad time to mention I still haven't mugged anyone yet? :whistle:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:
I love face acid. I think everyone should use face acid, even men. Thats another reason why I love PC-- she doesnt add weird fragrances/girly packaging, so guys can (and should) use her stuff too. Women are 'supposed' to be worried about wrinkles and acne, while men are just 'supposed' to suck it up and deal with it. Its not fair.

FACE ACID FOR EVERYONE!!! FACE ACID AND SUNSCREEN!
Very nice! Your skin looks beautiful.

When you say face acid, are you talking about glycolic acid? Because I can't use that stuff. I have some PC samples that I've tried and they're just too harsh on my skin. I have really sensitive skin and it just makes it raw. Did you find that at all?

I love PC face moisturizers. Her skin care is the only stuff that doesn't break me out. Haven't tried any of the makeup though, have you?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Comments from Steve:

"Steve, the people you would target this video at (repeat offenders who actively seek out women to rape them) are sociopaths."

No they aren't. Not all of them, anyway. Probably not even most of them. I'm not talking to hardened, determined serial rapists. I'm talking to assholes who view a campaign to raise awareness and prevent rape as an assault on masculinity and an invitation for women to make false rape charges against guys they don't like.
No. Someone who THINKS all rapists are sociopaths who don't give a fuck about the feelings of others. Also: someone who makes excuses for or otherwise defends, enables, or apologizes for people (usually men, let's be honest) who behave recklessly and treat getting laid like some kind of big game hunt, and seems to sympathize more with such douchebags than with the people (usually women) they victimize.

Do you SERIOUSLY think a rapist wold even watch such a video, let alone take your advise?
Steve Shives 3 hours ago

No. But a rape apologist might watch it and take offense.
· 23 in reply to Tom Dunbar
He seems pretty firmly in the FTB/Skepchick camp. And if you dislike his strawmen, you just might be a... Rape apologist! :naughty:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:I love face acid. I think everyone should use face acid, even men. Thats another reason why I love PC-- she doesnt add weird fragrances/girly packaging, so guys can (and should) use her stuff too. Women are 'supposed' to be worried about wrinkles and acne, while men are just 'supposed' to suck it up and deal with it. Its not fair.

FACE ACID FOR EVERYONE!!! FACE ACID AND SUNSCREEN!
After years of living/working outdoors and enduring very extreme conditions, I look like I've been trying to out-stare a blast furnace and have nurtured a very rugged/weathered complexion. In fact, I'm sure if I tried face acid, half a kilo of Iraqi sand would fall out of my head.

Sorry, it's not for me.

Having said that, I do love lavender "bath bombs" and cucumber lotion for my feet. Got a few bombs and a tube of lotion in a red cross parcel several tours into my career and I've never looked back. Nothing calms the dogs like cucumber lotion and it's also good for reducing stinky-boot-foot syndrome.

Keep that to yourself though, I've got a reputation to maintain. :oops:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Bhurzum wrote:
Having said that, I do love lavender "bath bombs" and cucumber lotion for my feet. Got a few bombs and a tube of lotion in a red cross parcel several tours into my career and I've never looked back. Nothing calms the dogs like cucumber lotion and it's also good for reducing stinky-boot-foot syndrome.

Keep that to yourself though, I've got a reputation to maintain. :oops:
It's no wonder we lost the fucking Empire.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:
yomomma wrote:
ERV wrote: Paulas Choice just released a Vit C + Ferulic acid. I cant compare the two, but I tried a trial bottle of PC with last months sale (15% off everything, never order anything full price from them, just wait for a sale). I didnt want to like it (didnt figure it would be an essential product for me), but I did notice a dramatic decrease in the time it takes red post-acne lesions to resolve. It used to take at least a month for them to be readily covered up by foundation, and now its about two weeks. Very obvious benefit, for me. So I ended up getting a couple more trial vials on sale.
I love Paula's Choice products! I never meet anyone who knows what that product line is. That is so cool that you know! Now I feel a sort of shallow kinship with you.
I started using her stuff October last year, after PC got a positive review from a beauty vlogger I watch, gossmakeupartist. I used up products I had that were on PCs 'best' list, but otherwise, I threw everything else away. After a year of PC skin-care only (I even stopped the topical antibiotics, which didnt do much for me anyway, and had so much alcohol in it it made my eyes water), and my skin is literally unrecognizable.

Aug 2012:
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Oct 2013:
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I love face acid. I think everyone should use face acid, even men. Thats another reason why I love PC-- she doesnt add weird fragrances/girly packaging, so guys can (and should) use her stuff too. Women are 'supposed' to be worried about wrinkles and acne, while men are just 'supposed' to suck it up and deal with it. Its not fair.

FACE ACID FOR EVERYONE!!! FACE ACID AND SUNSCREEN!
Wow! Impressive results. I'm going to mention these products to my daughter. Maybe she will let me try some!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:FACE ACID FOR EVERYONE!!!
Finally, a hard day's work at the quote mine has paid off!

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Bhurzum wrote: After years of living/working outdoors and enduring very extreme conditions, I look like I've been trying to out-stare a blast furnace and have nurtured a very rugged/weathered complexion. In fact, I'm sure if I tried face acid, half a kilo of Iraqi sand would fall out of my head.[/quote[
Having said that, I do love lavender "bath bombs" and cucumber lotion for my feet. Got a few bombs and a tube of lotion in a red cross parcel several tours into my career and I've never looked back. Nothing calms the dogs like cucumber lotion and it's also good for reducing stinky-boot-foot syndrome.

Keep that to yourself though, I've got a reputation to maintain. :oops:
Who's my pretty girl? Who's my pretty princess?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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bhoytony wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Having said that, I do love lavender "bath bombs" and cucumber lotion for my feet. Got a few bombs and a tube of lotion in a red cross parcel several tours into my career and I've never looked back. Nothing calms the dogs like cucumber lotion and it's also good for reducing stinky-boot-foot syndrome.

Keep that to yourself though, I've got a reputation to maintain. :oops:
It's no wonder we lost the fucking Empire.
Fuck sake Tony, I'm not THAT old!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:Who's my pretty girl? Who's my pretty princess?

http://api.ning.com/files/HbO6vwZ9sXhAC ... tranny.jpg
http://i.qkme.me/3rcpf5.jpg

(Sorry!)

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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yomomma wrote:Very nice! Your skin looks beautiful.

When you say face acid, are you talking about glycolic acid? Because I can't use that stuff. I have some PC samples that I've tried and they're just too harsh on my skin. I have really sensitive skin and it just makes it raw. Did you find that at all?

I love PC face moisturizers. Her skin care is the only stuff that doesn't break me out. Haven't tried any of the makeup though, have you?
Thank you! I just wish I knew about PC ten years ago :-/

My go-to product is the 2% salicylic acid liquid. I didnt 'get' the liquid at first (everything I had ever used in the past was a lotion/gel/etc), but it is the way to go, for me. I prefer it to the other formulations.

I also like the new Vit C + ferulic acid (but like I said, its freaking expensive for a PC product).

I tried the AHAs, but they werent really for me, either. 5%, meh. 8%, kinda liked. 10%, OMG IT BURNS.

Love the moisturizers. I think a lot of my 'oily skin' problems were from me *not* moisturizing.

The skin balancing cleanser is a rock star. LOVE IT.

The only make-up I have tried are the lipsticks-- the samples are like 50-60 cents for significant samples (not full lipstick tops, but like, dipped hollow lipstick tops. dunno how to describe it, but worth 50 cents to try). They are more pigmented than I was expecting, and but kinda too dark for my tastes (the lighter sorbet is frosty :-/). I do like the invisible and the mauve, though :)
Zenspace wrote:Wow! Impressive results. I'm going to mention these products to my daughter. Maybe she will let me try some!
There is always a PC sale going on. This month, it sucks (free shipping? wat?) Normally its 15% off everything, 20% off moisturizers, something like that. If she is dealing with acne, wait until a sale and get the Skin Balancing kit. Ive ended up buying all of those piece-meal. PC is also on Beauty.com and sometimes they have sales (but Ive had problems with them and inventory/shipping times). It is expensive compared to drug store brands (and they just upped their prices), but it 1) works and 2) lasts. One bottle of cleanser lasted me ~6 months.

Ah, sweet Israel/Palestine/Bread/Screwdriver revenge.... :lol:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of attention whoring, Melody Henley seeks advice about a nose piercing on Facebook, and doesn't like the responses:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... e-shocked/

From Lousy Canuckeault's post:
Turns out that a number of people in the freethought community have some decidedly backward views on the matter — not that, at this point, you should be surprised that we as a group are prone to every one of the foibles of society as a whole. In this specific case, not just as a matter of giving their opinion of “yes” or “no”, or making some lame joke about it. I’m talking full-on body modification shaming, occasionally veering straight into body-shaming, the likes of which I almost never see leveled at men.

Melody is the Executive Director for CFI-DC. As such, she’s in a unique position, where she might be called upon to be the spokesperson for an event or series of events, like she was for Women In Secularism, the annual conference for which she’s largely responsible. She clarified that she was thinking of a side stud, not a septum piercing or ring. People were still put out, apparently. What should have been a simple matter of opinion became a splash-damagey cavalcade of judgmentalism.
OH NOES, a cavalcade of judgmental judgeypants! Melody's unblemished nasal alae so important!
What a shock. She asked an internet full of random idiots for their opinion, and HOLY FUCKOLEY, got a bunch of idiocy.

I joke about people being raised in a box, but fuck me sideways, I think hensley lives in one.

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