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Post by screwtape » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:29 am

Mykeru wrote: http://www.avoiceformen.com/wp-content/ ... rcotte.jpg

"HAW! I know. I'm clueless. It's great being me"
Is that Marcotte or a 'shop with Tom Cruise's face? The quote underneath it doesn't help me at all....

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Post by SkepticalCat » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:33 am

FreeThoughtBlogs in 2013:

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:34 am

Singer needs to check his chordate privilege.

And cuttlefish are wicked smart. I once knew a cuttlefish that could play pinochle. He always underbid , but that doesn't merit being eaten.

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Post by Sunder » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:42 am

Mykeru wrote:Way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and I ran a mostly political blog site, we had a forum " Salon des Refusés", which alludes to the fact that the sort of people we wanted were those thrown off other blogs for having an opinion. As it was my blog I was the Sooper-Dooper Administrator and enlisted minions to do the day-to-day moderation. I had been formerly dogpiled and banned from The Straight Dope and The Darwin Awards and ran it, well, pretty much like The Pit.

What I got out of bad experiences with those forums was that some people think your job is to express their ideas when you are in "their house". I checked a lot of blog's fine print and never saw it expressly stated, so it must have been an unwritten rule.

The couple of times I had to interceded was to give mods a warning about being too loose with the ban-hammer. In fact, I really couldn't be convinced anything was a ban-able offense. So the person argued and was an annoying shit, so what? It's a forum. THAT'S THE POINT.

If I live in fear of anything, it's being one of these deluded/cynical fuckers rigging what should be a free and open exchange because they have an agenda and, god dammit, you will serve it.
It's really not THAT hard to run a forum or a blog comment section, which makes it all the more hilarious that PZ has so much trouble with his.

All you need are clear, unambiguous rules against shit you don't want. Want your forum to be worksafe? "Users may not post NSFW images or link to NSFW content." I don't really care whether a forum chooses very liberal or extremely draconian rules as long as everyone knows going in what the rules are, what they clearly cover, and that they will be applied universally and fairly.

And if you elect to have NO stated rules, then you have effectively chosen to have no moderation. Because if you moderate arbitrarily then you are doubly responsible both for what you remove and what you leave behind. This is why PZ is on the hook for all of the dumb shit he lets his regular commenters get away with.

Then of course in blogs there's the tone set by the writer. Want a civil comment section like Jerry Coyne? Then act civil yourself. Want a pack of braying asses? Then blog like PZ Myers, keyboard commando.

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Post by welch » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:46 am

John D wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
John D wrote:In other news.... Michael Shermer has decided to go full vegan after viewing the film "Speciesism". I guess he must have never really thought about it before...

http://vimeo.com/ondemand/speciesism
That trailer is bizarre. It starts with a not at all shocking expose about bad conditions at giant meat producing businesses, then there's Pete Singer, and then there's people talking about the Nazis-including an interview with a man in a Nazi uniform. This is the movie Shermer tweeted that everyone should go see it?

Incidentally, even Singer draws the line(arbitrarily)at vertebrates, which would make eating shrimp okay.
My mistake. He is not full on vegan... he is the "I don't think shellfish suffer" kind of vegan. So is it okay to eat a cow that dies of old age? Fuck this is complicated! How about an octopus? Can I eat an octopus? They are highly intelligent invertebrates. Cuttlefish perhaps... hmmmmm....
Every time you eat a tentacled sea creature, PeeZus cries bitter, bitter tears.

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Post by Dave » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:54 am

welch wrote:
John D wrote: My mistake. He is not full on vegan... he is the "I don't think shellfish suffer" kind of vegan. So is it okay to eat a cow that dies of old age? Fuck this is complicated! How about an octopus? Can I eat an octopus? They are highly intelligent invertebrates. Cuttlefish perhaps... hmmmmm....
Every time you eat a tentacled sea creature, PeeZus cries bitter, bitter tears.
Bottle that shit. SJW tears are the secret ingredient that make Capitalist Pig Martinis so delicious.

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Post by ROBOKiTTY » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:58 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:IMO, libertarianism is illogical. But it's also at core anarchy, so has more in common with Occupy than the Tea Party. Yes, the TP attracts anti- gov't types, but it's original message was to reduce gov't waste and corruption in politics. (How it's turned out in practice is another matter.) It's those sentiments that make the TP appealing to regular, middle class folks.

Even when Peezus is right, he can't get it right.
As the resident anarchist, I very much disagree with this assessment. Modern North American libertarianism is pretty pro-government. Their rhetoric may be anti-government, but that's usually due to a combination of a misunderstanding of reality and hyperbole. Anarcho-capitalists, on the other hand, are just about universally rejected and reviled by real anarchists as misappropriating the anarchism label and may be considered our equivalent of SJWs.

European libertarians are the ones more politically aligned with North American anarchists.

Now ideologically, anarchism is utopian and impractical given human failures and overpopulation, but in practice, anarchism is really about recognizing the power of governments, corporations, unions, and individuals alike. Any collective of people is capable of exerting disproportionate power over others and abusing that power to coerce, regardless of the intent behind which it is exercised. Knowing this, we can free ourselves from the partisan delusion that a union/government/corporation/gang or any collective can do no wrong; if a group has power and uses that power to bully and intimidate, anarchists see no reason to justify the abuse based on what type of group it is.

Anarcho-capitalists utterly fail in this regard. They privilege corporations and for-profit businesses over governments and unions for no particularly good reason.

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Post by ROBOKiTTY » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:12 pm

Also, individuals are not exempt from power abuse. A bomb-throwing terrorist is an oppressor who is using force to coerce their targets into submission, according to anarchist thought.

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Post by Kareem » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:21 pm

Karmakin wrote:Yup.

On another note, there's yet another fight going on about how a feminist icon is putting on a 1000-dollar a head entry for a small convention of sorts and is hosting it at an ex-plantation (but apparently still has a lot of pro-Confederacy stuff) and run by a right-wing ideologue.

Needless to say, black feminists are not happy one bit at this turn of events.

http://www.gradientlair.com/post/714948 ... e-feminism

Personally, I don't even know why they're surprised any more at this point. They need to realize that the culture of the modern feminist movement is basically downplaying racial and class issues in order to maximize the impact of gender.
The story took a funny turn. A defender basically told those upset to "get over it" and support it anyway. When that didn't go over so well, she created a fake black supporter to spam the same message.

http://www.forharriet.com/2013/12/dear- ... annot.html

But the funniest part is someone paying $1000 plus other expenses to learn to write songs that aren't sexist. You can get a ten week course for half that.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:25 pm

SkepticalCat wrote:FreeThoughtBlogs in 2013:

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PeeZus thinks of Twatson:

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Post by Guestus Aurelius » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:26 pm

BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of the fashionable left flapping its mouth, PeeZus has yet another post about Libertarians:
You cannot call yourself pro-liberty, even including the word in your name, if you are unwilling to recognize that the greatest oppressive force opposing freedom in America is unregulated greed. Libertarianism is a philosophy for the well-off, the privileged, and those who dream someday of being a wealthy boss with power over the peons. When capital is the measure of success, those who have it thrive at the expense of those who don’t; when we don’t have redistribution of wealth, we do not have equality of opportunity.
I'm certainly no fan of Libertarianism, and am usually annoyed by the ridiculous posturings of its many followers in my state, but it's inaccurate to assume that most of those followers are wealthy. Quite the contrary, by my observations. To me it seems to be a movement largely fueled by the desperate and ineffectual flailing of people who have disenfranchised themselves, and who have little or no power, influence, or disposable income. The Tea Party libertarian movement may very well eat itself in short order (one can hope).

I consider myself to be a progressive liberal (by US definitions), but I'm not going to deny that I benefit from the capitalist economy in the US. If wealth were redistributed across the country, I'd have much less than I do now. I could survive, and possibly be quite happy, but I'd be much less comfy. It's possible that PeeZus is willing to give up his current lifestyle to usher in some utopian egalitarian US vision, but the evidence to date indicates that he enjoys the wining and dining and expense-paid domestic and international travel, and partakes of it frequently. For starters, perhaps he should cut ties with a blogging network that operates on a capitalist model - if his messages are so important, then best disavow the ads revenue.
Bingo.

Few things are more annoying than a professed socialist who rails against the 1% while quite enjoying the perks of being a 10%-er (I'm guessing). It's possible to voice support for bolstering the social safety net without resorting to hypocritical and mindless capitalism-is-teh-evil posturing, a type of posturing that is particularly annoying when it comes from government employees (like professors at state universities) whose paychecks come in no small part from taxpayers working in the private sector. Likewise, one can favor raising taxes on the rich without indiscriminately demonizing them: http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

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Post by Karmakin » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:08 pm

ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:IMO, libertarianism is illogical. But it's also at core anarchy, so has more in common with Occupy than the Tea Party. Yes, the TP attracts anti- gov't types, but it's original message was to reduce gov't waste and corruption in politics. (How it's turned out in practice is another matter.) It's those sentiments that make the TP appealing to regular, middle class folks.

Even when Peezus is right, he can't get it right.
As the resident anarchist, I very much disagree with this assessment. Modern North American libertarianism is pretty pro-government. Their rhetoric may be anti-government, but that's usually due to a combination of a misunderstanding of reality and hyperbole. Anarcho-capitalists, on the other hand, are just about universally rejected and reviled by real anarchists as misappropriating the anarchism label and may be considered our equivalent of SJWs.

European libertarians are the ones more politically aligned with North American anarchists.

Now ideologically, anarchism is utopian and impractical given human failures and overpopulation, but in practice, anarchism is really about recognizing the power of governments, corporations, unions, and individuals alike. Any collective of people is capable of exerting disproportionate power over others and abusing that power to coerce, regardless of the intent behind which it is exercised. Knowing this, we can free ourselves from the partisan delusion that a union/government/corporation/gang or any collective can do no wrong; if a group has power and uses that power to bully and intimidate, anarchists see no reason to justify the abuse based on what type of group it is.

Anarcho-capitalists utterly fail in this regard. They privilege corporations and for-profit businesses over governments and unions for no particularly good reason.
Yeah, the Occupy movement is pretty solidly anarchistic. I don't think that's too much in doubt. However, I do think that generally speaking that end of the day there's a pretty big divide from this anarchistic side to the progressive Social Democratic side. Even though they sound similar, in reality they're saying completely different things.

The Tea Party is a Libertarian movement, but that's not the same thing as a libertarian movement. I do think that libertarian (little-l) ideals actually have more in common with the progressive Social Democratic side than with the far-right.

The Libertarian movement...the Tea Party in the US...is strongly what I call Neo-Calvinistic. That is, there are strong religious/spiritual/ethical beliefs that the successful need to be actively rewarded for their success (over and above the success they already enjoy) and that the not-successful need to be actively punished for their failure (over and above the suckitude of not succeeding). Now, you add the religious component, that there's a deity who has pre-determined who is going to win and who is going to lose and it's all based upon tribal identity.

The original rant that started the whole thing, just minus some of the religious overtones, was STRONGLY Neo-Calvinistic. That's what the movement is, and what it continues to be.

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Post by Karmakin » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:11 pm

Kareem wrote:
Karmakin wrote:Yup.

On another note, there's yet another fight going on about how a feminist icon is putting on a 1000-dollar a head entry for a small convention of sorts and is hosting it at an ex-plantation (but apparently still has a lot of pro-Confederacy stuff) and run by a right-wing ideologue.

Needless to say, black feminists are not happy one bit at this turn of events.

http://www.gradientlair.com/post/714948 ... e-feminism

Personally, I don't even know why they're surprised any more at this point. They need to realize that the culture of the modern feminist movement is basically downplaying racial and class issues in order to maximize the impact of gender.
The story took a funny turn. A defender basically told those upset to "get over it" and support it anyway. When that didn't go over so well, she created a fake black supporter to spam the same message.

http://www.forharriet.com/2013/12/dear- ... annot.html

But the funniest part is someone paying $1000 plus other expenses to learn to write songs that aren't sexist. You can get a ten week course for half that.
Yeah. I suspect that the people who really NEED help with improving their songwriting (I.E. struggling musicians) are never going to be able to afford that, and the people they'll get are hobbyists and moonlighters.

The saddest part for me is all these women who think that this movement that really promotes this sort of middle/upper-class suburban white flight entitlement is ever going to be their ally.

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Post by guest » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:25 pm

How to writ like Rebecca Watson:
Copy your inspirational women list of 2013 from http://m.motherjones.com/mixed-media/20 ... women-2013
Dont mention Karen Stollznow's article on Sci American.
Feminist ally fail.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:28 pm

zenbabe wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
zenbabe wrote:I once spent New Year's Eve in Sydney, big anniversary of a bridge; had a magnificent and very private view of the fireworks, a lot of pricey alcohol, the heat of a summer evening, and the pitter patter of sexy time.

Ah well. If I never have another night like that at least I had one.
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"Who wants some flapjacks?!"

Ah!
I give in. The movie is already playing scene by scene in my mind, and it fits my mood, might as well watch it
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Post by Za-zen » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:40 pm

Guestus Aurelius wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of the fashionable left flapping its mouth, PeeZus has yet another post about Libertarians:
You cannot call yourself pro-liberty, even including the word in your name, if you are unwilling to recognize that the greatest oppressive force opposing freedom in America is unregulated greed. Libertarianism is a philosophy for the well-off, the privileged, and those who dream someday of being a wealthy boss with power over the peons. When capital is the measure of success, those who have it thrive at the expense of those who don’t; when we don’t have redistribution of wealth, we do not have equality of opportunity.
I'm certainly no fan of Libertarianism, and am usually annoyed by the ridiculous posturings of its many followers in my state, but it's inaccurate to assume that most of those followers are wealthy. Quite the contrary, by my observations. To me it seems to be a movement largely fueled by the desperate and ineffectual flailing of people who have disenfranchised themselves, and who have little or no power, influence, or disposable income. The Tea Party libertarian movement may very well eat itself in short order (one can hope).

I consider myself to be a progressive liberal (by US definitions), but I'm not going to deny that I benefit from the capitalist economy in the US. If wealth were redistributed across the country, I'd have much less than I do now. I could survive, and possibly be quite happy, but I'd be much less comfy. It's possible that PeeZus is willing to give up his current lifestyle to usher in some utopian egalitarian US vision, but the evidence to date indicates that he enjoys the wining and dining and expense-paid domestic and international travel, and partakes of it frequently. For starters, perhaps he should cut ties with a blogging network that operates on a capitalist model - if his messages are so important, then best disavow the ads revenue.
Bingo.

Few things are more annoying than a professed socialist who rails against the 1% while quite enjoying the perks of being a 10%-er (I'm guessing). It's possible to voice support for bolstering the social safety net without resorting to hypocritical and mindless capitalism-is-teh-evil posturing, a type of posturing that is particularly annoying when it comes from government employees (like professors at state universities) whose paychecks come in no small part from taxpayers working in the private sector. Likewise, one can favor raising taxes on the rich without indiscriminately demonizing them: http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
Peezeus is an A typical political puddle, who no more understands the consequence of what he pontificates for, than he would want the personal consequence of the reality of what he pontificates for. The old farts intellect never really developed beyond the bullshit naive bluster and blow of his student days, perhaps because his chosen peer grouping (by choice or default) are in fact, blowhard naive students.

The reality is that wealth redistribution takes place throughout all western civilisation. Its main vehicle is taxation. There does not exist a pure capitalist system in the world. Why, because it doesn't fucking work. There does not exist a pure communist system in the world. Why because it doesn't fucking work.

In western civilisation what we have is variations on a socialist model. What most of us disagree on is just how much personal resource should be surrendered to the state. I am heavy libertarian in the realm of the relationship between the state and person with regards to the individual liberty of the person, and light libertarian with regard to the responsibility i have to others i share a piece of dirt with. This of course is where a tension exists, as the two often come into conflict.

The pure libertarian model, is like the pure communist model, non existent, for one good reason, it doesn't fucking work.

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Post by another lurker » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:41 pm

This is the day that I joined the 'pit, no less. Hooray!

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Post by BarnOwl » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:43 pm

:D

Happy New Year, Slymepit!

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Post by Guestus Aurelius » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:46 pm

Za-zen wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:
Few things are more annoying than a professed socialist who rails against the 1% while quite enjoying the perks of being a 10%-er (I'm guessing). It's possible to voice support for bolstering the social safety net without resorting to hypocritical and mindless capitalism-is-teh-evil posturing, a type of posturing that is particularly annoying when it comes from government employees (like professors at state universities) whose paychecks come in no small part from taxpayers working in the private sector. Likewise, one can favor raising taxes on the rich without indiscriminately demonizing them: http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
Peezeus is an A typical political puddle, who no more understands the consequence of what he pontificates for, than he would want the personal consequence of the reality of what he pontificates for. The old farts intellect never really developed beyond the bullshit naive bluster and blow of his student days, perhaps because his chosen peer grouping (by choice or default) are in fact, blowhard naive students.

The reality is that wealth redistribution takes place throughout all western civilisation. Its main vehicle is taxation. There does not exist a pure capitalist system in the world. Why, because it doesn't fucking work. There does not exist a pure communist system in the world. Why because it doesn't fucking work.

In western civilisation what we have is variations on a socialist model. What most of us disagree on is just how much personal resource should be surrendered to the state. I am heavy libertarian in the realm of the relationship between the state and person with regards to the individual liberty of the person, and light libertarian with regard to the responsibility i have to others i share a piece of dirt with. This of course is where a tension exists, as the two often come into conflict.

The pure libertarian model, is like the pure communist model, non existent, for one good reason, it doesn't fucking work.
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Post by JacquesCuze » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:54 pm

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Post by BarnOwl » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:59 pm

Za-zen wrote: Peezeus is an A typical political puddle, who no more understands the consequence of what he pontificates for, than he would want the personal consequence of the reality of what he pontificates for. The old farts intellect never really developed beyond the bullshit naive bluster and blow of his student days, perhaps because his chosen peer grouping (by choice or default) are in fact, blowhard naive students.

The reality is that wealth redistribution takes place throughout all western civilisation. Its main vehicle is taxation. There does not exist a pure capitalist system in the world. Why, because it doesn't fucking work. There does not exist a pure communist system in the world. Why because it doesn't fucking work.

In western civilisation what we have is variations on a socialist model. What most of us disagree on is just how much personal resource should be surrendered to the state. I am heavy libertarian in the realm of the relationship between the state and person with regards to the individual liberty of the person, and light libertarian with regard to the responsibility i have to others i share a piece of dirt with. This of course is where a tension exists, as the two often come into conflict.

The pure libertarian model, is like the pure communist model, non existent, for one good reason, it doesn't fucking work.
In grad school, many claimed to follow socialist ideals, but that all changed when tenure and 6-figure salaries were within their grasps. None of them turned down the salaries or the financial security or the travel/privilege perks, to my knowledge - was just discussing this while visiting a couple of friends from grad school. PeeZus' salary may not put him in the top 10% (mine doesn't), but there's his wife's salary as well, and we've no idea what that might be.

Americans in general, and Texans in particular, are taxed at relatively low rates in comparison to most Europeans, and so it's difficult for me to assess my level of libertarianism with respect to social responsibility. My property taxes are high in comparison with neighboring school districts, but extremely low in comparison with most of the US. In Texas, we don't pay state income tax, and I don't find my federal income tax (or any other taxes I pay) to be unfair or oppressive. I just wish that more of the money could go towards social and environmental programs, rather than towards bank bailouts and military spending.

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Post by Old_ones » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:00 pm

Sunder wrote:
Mykeru wrote:Way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and I ran a mostly political blog site, we had a forum " Salon des Refusés", which alludes to the fact that the sort of people we wanted were those thrown off other blogs for having an opinion. As it was my blog I was the Sooper-Dooper Administrator and enlisted minions to do the day-to-day moderation. I had been formerly dogpiled and banned from The Straight Dope and The Darwin Awards and ran it, well, pretty much like The Pit.

What I got out of bad experiences with those forums was that some people think your job is to express their ideas when you are in "their house". I checked a lot of blog's fine print and never saw it expressly stated, so it must have been an unwritten rule.

The couple of times I had to interceded was to give mods a warning about being too loose with the ban-hammer. In fact, I really couldn't be convinced anything was a ban-able offense. So the person argued and was an annoying shit, so what? It's a forum. THAT'S THE POINT.

If I live in fear of anything, it's being one of these deluded/cynical fuckers rigging what should be a free and open exchange because they have an agenda and, god dammit, you will serve it.
It's really not THAT hard to run a forum or a blog comment section, which makes it all the more hilarious that PZ has so much trouble with his.

All you need are clear, unambiguous rules against shit you don't want. Want your forum to be worksafe? "Users may not post NSFW images or link to NSFW content." I don't really care whether a forum chooses very liberal or extremely draconian rules as long as everyone knows going in what the rules are, what they clearly cover, and that they will be applied universally and fairly.

And if you elect to have NO stated rules, then you have effectively chosen to have no moderation. Because if you moderate arbitrarily then you are doubly responsible both for what you remove and what you leave behind. This is why PZ is on the hook for all of the dumb shit he lets his regular commenters get away with.

Then of course in blogs there's the tone set by the writer. Want a civil comment section like Jerry Coyne? Then act civil yourself. Want a pack of braying asses? Then blog like PZ Myers, keyboard commando.
Speaking of that, if you (or anyone else around here) missed his most recent "I'd really like you guys to play nicer" post, its a classic.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ing-rules/

Apparently his cabal of fucking hyenas helped chase Chris Clarke away:
Chris Clarke wrote: You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me. It’s easy enough to actually find out why I left.

I couldn’t ask my non-Horde friends to comment on my posts here in good conscience out of fear they’d get rhetorically savaged. My one friend that did so, Rob Grigjanis, who has since proven his worth as a commenter, went through stupid hazing from the regulars even after he’d apologized for an infelicitous phrasing, then apologized for reacting combatively when he was challenged, then had me step in to say “Rob is not a troll, people, I know him,” and then had PZ step in to tell the regulars to cut it the fuck out.

People are already rewriting history here. People are gleefully adopting the Desert Tortoises With Boltcutters pledge as a credo but ignoring the whole rather prominent thing about being kind rather than civil.

It kind of makes me want to puke.

I left because the rampant, casual shitheadedness in comments here which people laud for making this a “safe space” makes it a safe space only for those who are capable of dishing out casual shitheadedness without regret.

If that’s okay with those who remain, then fine. But do not erase my fucking words — or worse, USE them — to justify the continuation of the status quo here. Because that’s just fucking lying.
If PZ Myers wants to get a handle on this, all he has to do is grow a pair and tell his horde to stop raging at everyone who comes in the door. His problem is that he is a coward. He can't bring himself to risk alienating his horde or being called a misogynist for trying to mandate some kind of reasonable discourse.

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Post by JacquesCuze » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:04 pm

The day PZ gives up his tenure is the day he can whine about the privileges other people enjoy in society.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:05 pm

Kareem wrote: The story took a funny turn. A defender basically told those upset to "get over it" and support it anyway. When that didn't go over so well, she created a fake black supporter to spam the same message.

http://www.forharriet.com/2013/12/dear- ... annot.html
Ho-ly SHIT!

Where do you even begin with that female Steppin' Fetchet sock puppet this "Mandi" created? And with people being held face-first in the fire for every little "you used gender binary pronouns" slip, justice could only be served by that person being given a double-helping of public humiliation.

I am really not offended by much of anything, but the moment I started reading "LaQueeta Jones" and figured out it was the worst sock ever, half a sentence in, my skin kind of crawled thinking the person who did that would turn around and, without missing a beat, lecture someone on some trivial nonsense as some sort of self-appointed moral authority.

That's some pretty sick shit right there.

http://pics2.ds-static.com/prodimg/72645/300.JPG

I need a bath now.

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Post by Karmakin » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:27 pm

And Re: Marcotte, I'll stand by my stance that over the last 5 years or so, after she was "called out" for being both racist and classist, (to be fair it's less about being called out for a mistake and more that she IS those things) she decided to ramp up the man-hating/female supremacy to insane heights.

There's also the reaction to the whole Edwards thing, which she probably blames on sexism, when in reality it was religious privilege/entitlement. She said/did some things that were offensive to them, so a group called her out on it and got her removed. Standard Operating Procedure really.

That said, I do think that Marcotte is "ground zero" when it comes to Neo-Feminism. IMO she's done the lions share in terms of making this sort of advocating for female supremacy mainstream, and that's the root of much that we see now.

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Post by Karmakin » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:33 pm

So it's probably more like 10 years than 5 years.

Holy fuck time flies.

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Post by DownThunder » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:35 pm

Karmakin wrote:Yeah. I suspect that the people who really NEED help with improving their songwriting (I.E. struggling musicians) are never going to be able to afford that, and the people they'll get are hobbyists and moonlighters.

The saddest part for me is all these women who think that this movement that really promotes this sort of middle/upper-class suburban white flight entitlement is ever going to be their ally.
Ani DiFranco strikes me as someone who uses music as a medium for politics, where music always takes a secondary role. As such, these workshops are less about music and more about self righteous schlicking. Seriously, she described it (it was cancelled) as a "righteous retreat" for “progressive and engaged people”.

Actual struggling musicians aren't likely to bother with such stuff and would more likely drop a grand on equipment or lessons.

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Post by Satan » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:08 pm

BarnOwl wrote:If wealth were redistributed across the country, I'd have much less than I do now. I could survive, and possibly be quite happy, but I'd be much less comfy.
If all wealth in America was redistributed evenly among every adult, you (along with everyone else) would have around $240,000 in assets.

If all income in America was distributed evenly among every adult, you (along with everyone else) would have a gross income of around $65,000.

It's a testament to the effectiveness of modern propaganda that the Americans who would, by being under both of these levels, benefit most from redistribution cling to ideologies that reject redistribution outright.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:24 pm

And a very warm and slymey New Year's to my fellow pitters.

I would name you all individually, but I'm far too lazy for that. As we take the schism into its third year, let's take the fight to them. FTB and the clown seem to be running out of steam, but I suspect they still have some outrages up their sleeves. In fact, as they descend into the irrelevancy of being laughing stocks and extinguishing any and all good will anyone might have offered them, the flailing may become acute.

Remember, if you are not laughing at them, you're missing the point. I, for one, resolve to spend New Year's Day trying to finish something. After a point, it's some sort of block.

And now, unable to keep up with the Gumby/Gephan demented photoshoopery, and whatever the fuck it is Parsehole does, let me inject some revolutionary fervor:
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Post by Tribble » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:26 pm

Za-zen wrote:...

The pure libertarian model, is like the pure communist model, non existent, for one good reason, it doesn't fucking work.
Yes, this.

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Post by zenbabe » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:34 pm

Mykeru wrote:
zenbabe wrote: I give in. The movie is already playing scene by scene in my mind, and it fits my mood, might as well watch it
Good idea!
It was great, as always.
This time I noticed, for the first time, extra Time. I saw the clocks on the wall next to Phil and Rita's table in the diner, two of them.

Thinking Rushmore next.
Although he's been known to randomly fuck with people.

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That is something darker, better, and richer than awesome.
In a heartbeat.

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Post by zenbabe » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:39 pm

:romance-heartsthree:

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:43 pm

If you doubt the existence of patriarchy, well here's one of their meetings!
[youtube]RZYux4b35Is[/youtube]

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Post by JacquesCuze » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:59 pm

Mykeru wrote:
Kareem wrote: The story took a funny turn. A defender basically told those upset to "get over it" and support it anyway. When that didn't go over so well, she created a fake black supporter to spam the same message.

http://www.forharriet.com/2013/12/dear- ... annot.html
Ho-ly SHIT!

Where do you even begin with that female Steppin' Fetchet sock puppet this "Mandi" created? And with people being held face-first in the fire for every little "you used gender binary pronouns" slip, justice could only be served by that person being given a double-helping of public humiliation.

I am really not offended by much of anything, but the moment I started reading "LaQueeta Jones" and figured out it was the worst sock ever, half a sentence in, my skin kind of crawled thinking the person who did that would turn around and, without missing a beat, lecture someone on some trivial nonsense as some sort of self-appointed moral authority.

That's some pretty sick shit right there.

http://pics2.ds-static.com/prodimg/72645/300.JPG

I need a bath now.

I don't understand facebook I guess, but how was Mandi's (and LaQueeta's) IP address tracked?

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Post by Steersman » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:00 pm

another lurker wrote:This is the day that I joined the 'pit, no less. Hooray!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ng-cat.jpg
Happy Anniversary! :banana-dance:

And a Happy New Year to the Pit and assorted lurkers and fellow travelers. It’s been an interesting and lol-filled year:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
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Post by ianfc » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:05 pm

Nice to see the old Myers rape threat is not dead, it's use just needs a wee bit of subtly
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re:#61
It’s all good then.
(haz a wee bit of porcupine nostalgia)
Are we taking bets on the flounce?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-731061

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Post by zenbabe » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:45 pm

Mykeru wrote:And a very warm and slymey New Year's to my fellow pitters.

I would name you all individually, but I'm far too lazy for that. As we take the schism into its third year, let's take the fight to them. FTB and the clown seem to be running out of steam, but I suspect they still have some outrages up their sleeves. In fact, as they descend into the irrelevancy of being laughing stocks and extinguishing any and all good will anyone might have offered them, the flailing may become acute.

Remember, if you are not laughing at them, you're missing the point. I, for one, resolve to spend New Year's Day trying to finish something. After a point, it's some sort of block.

And now, unable to keep up with the Gumby/Gephan demented photoshoopery, and whatever the fuck it is Parsehole does, let me inject some revolutionary fervor:
SLYMEFIST.jpg
[LaQueeta Jones]"Look Mykeru, u gotsta realize dat u got dees here things ta say dat none else can da way u can, an we all wants ta hear ur thoughts in ur words an in dat style dats all ur own."[/LaQueeta Jones}

I too hope the PZetal crowd burn out, not fade away.
Purely for my own amusement and pleasure, of course. You guys would make the final violent flailings into the most delicious meal of schadenfreude.

It's early here, but Happy New Year, 'pitters! :occasion-partyblower:

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:59 pm

zenbabe wrote: I too hope the PZetal crowd burn out, not fade away.
[youtube]-bOKsOveYD0[/youtube]

A man who knew how to party.

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Post by zenbabe » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:07 pm

Mykeru wrote:
[youtube]-bOKsOveYD0[youtube]

A man who knew how to party.
He still looks awfully good and everso wonderfully threatening, something in those eyes...
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Clan ... rmxI8l.jpg

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Post by another lurker » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:11 pm

I absolutely loved Clancy Brown in Carnivale. He was so very very..I can't find the words. But he nailed creepy psycho preacher satan dude.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:14 pm

zenbabe wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
[youtube]-bOKsOveYD0[youtube]

A man who knew how to party.
He still looks awfully good and everso wonderfully threatening, something in those eyes...
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Clan ... rmxI8l.jpg
It's well know by those who worked with him that Clancy Brown is a sweetheart.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tjgKzMrQK5c/T ... lander.jpg

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Post by another lurker » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:15 pm

ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:IMO, libertarianism is illogical. But it's also at core anarchy, so has more in common with Occupy than the Tea Party. Yes, the TP attracts anti- gov't types, but it's original message was to reduce gov't waste and corruption in politics. (How it's turned out in practice is another matter.) It's those sentiments that make the TP appealing to regular, middle class folks.

Even when Peezus is right, he can't get it right.
As the resident anarchist, I very much disagree with this assessment. Modern North American libertarianism is pretty pro-government. Their rhetoric may be anti-government, but that's usually due to a combination of a misunderstanding of reality and hyperbole. Anarcho-capitalists, on the other hand, are just about universally rejected and reviled by real anarchists as misappropriating the anarchism label and may be considered our equivalent of SJWs.

European libertarians are the ones more politically aligned with North American anarchists.

Now ideologically, anarchism is utopian and impractical given human failures and overpopulation, but in practice, anarchism is really about recognizing the power of governments, corporations, unions, and individuals alike. Any collective of people is capable of exerting disproportionate power over others and abusing that power to coerce, regardless of the intent behind which it is exercised. Knowing this, we can free ourselves from the partisan delusion that a union/government/corporation/gang or any collective can do no wrong; if a group has power and uses that power to bully and intimidate, anarchists see no reason to justify the abuse based on what type of group it is.

Anarcho-capitalists utterly fail in this regard. They privilege corporations and for-profit businesses over governments and unions for no particularly good reason.

Thank you for articulating so well some of the thoughts that I have had banging around inside my head. I always facepalm when I hear conservatives/libertarians talk about how greedy and awful those unionized workers are! And that if unions were not so greedy and selfish, everyone would be altruistic and the wealth would just trickle down and we'd all be living a life of luxury! And I am thinking...uh - corporations, they kinda like to hoard money and power too...I mean if you are going to shit talk unions for that, don't pretend that CEO's are angels in comparison!

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:20 pm

I also have a love for Rutger Hauer, mostly from Blade Runner and even Blind Fury (ridiculous)

I will have to see what he's up to on Amazon...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 ... SX215_.jpg

Oh, goody.

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Post by Badger3k » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:22 pm

Mykeru wrote:
zenbabe wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
[youtube]-bOKsOveYD0[youtube]

A man who knew how to party.
He still looks awfully good and everso wonderfully threatening, something in those eyes...
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Clan ... rmxI8l.jpg
It's well know by those who worked with him that Clancy Brown is a sweetheart.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tjgKzMrQK5c/T ... lander.jpg
He plays the (now dead) sheriff on the TV show, Sleepy Hollow. He was killed by getting his head cut off - fancy that.

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Post by Badger3k » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:25 pm

Mykeru wrote:I also have a love for Rutger Hauer, mostly from Blade Runner and even Blind Fury (ridiculous)

I will have to see what he's up to on Amazon...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 ... SX215_.jpg

Oh, goody.
He's been in a lot of creepy/eerie type movies. Still remember him from '86 in the Hitcher. And can't forget Ladyhawke - with the "famous" throwing his great sword moment.

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Post by Badger3k » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:26 pm

Damn - how could I forget Blind Fury.

and someone changed it so that we can't make another post right after another? It's the only way to edit, since my button is broken.

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Post by zenbabe » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:32 pm

Badger3k wrote:
Mykeru wrote:I also have a love for Rutger Hauer, mostly from Blade Runner and even Blind Fury (ridiculous)

I will have to see what he's up to on Amazon...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 ... SX215_.jpg

Oh, goody.
:lol:
He's been in a lot of creepy/eerie type movies. Still remember him from '86 in the Hitcher. And can't forget Ladyhawke - with the "famous" throwing his great sword moment.
Ugh. Ladyhawke. The soundtrack of that movie did NOT stand the test of time. It is excruciating, torturous 80s synthesizer.

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Post by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:35 pm

DownThunder wrote:
Ani DiFranco strikes me as someone who uses music as a medium for politics, where music always takes a secondary role. As such, these workshops are less about music and more about self righteous schlicking. Seriously, she described it (it was cancelled) as a "righteous retreat" for “progressive and engaged people”.
Ani Difranco is a fun-sucker.


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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:37 pm

Badger3k wrote:Damn - how could I forget Blind Fury.

and someone changed it so that we can't make another post right after another? It's the only way to edit, since my button is broken.
Well, if it's been changed, I hold the record for consecutive posts. I is somebody.

Yup, back in the day I thought the way Tex Cobb got it was pretty damned cool.

[youtube]45M7uAQzWPk[/youtube]

The Hitcher (fucking remake sucked) was a disturbing. Who was John Ryder, what was his motivation, and what exactly was the weird subtext of that relationship? And Jennifer Jason Leigh was pretty damned cute.

I might not do my traditional go-to-bed early on New Years (have fun, clock-watchers) because Hobo with a Shotgun looks like art.

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Post by Tigzy » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:40 pm

Happy New Year, one an all! And may I raise a toast to the FTB/Skepchick/A+ crowd, for providing the best soap opera since...well, Dallas I suppose. The proper Dallas that is - the one from the 70s and 80s.

So - some predictions for the upcoming year:

Greg Laden goes full-on with his environmentalism, and no longer content to activist blog, decides to literally shit out of the trees as a bearded, crusty eco-commando. However, with his Tarzan yells echoing throughout the woods to his former home of the 'Yippee-Ki-Ay-Motherfucker' trailer park, he becomes something a of nuisance, and as such the locals form a posse to hunt him down like he was some sort of baboon, or something. The 'Wild Bald Man of Hog's Piss Pass' proves something less than an elusive quarry, owing to his testosterone poisoned scat (easy for the bloodhounds to follow) and the fact that he's easily lured down from the branches by deploying a woman - whereupon he'll swing down in order to make her feel safe by walking on the other side of the forest trail. Upon his capture, Greg is found to be remarkably well-fed, though he stays reticent on where he found such an abundant food source. There's much excitement on the part of the locals a few months later when what appears to be the partially devoured remains of a bigfoot are found in Greg's former happy hunting ground, but it just turns out to be a perished Chris Clarke. As such, the local cushion upholsterers do a roaring trade, and Greg begins work on a sequel to Sundogogo (or whatever it is), featuring bushmeat recipes.

Food is much on the mind of PZ Myers, who continues to wax lyrical about the wonders of being vegetarian as the stupider examples of his commentariat mysteriously begin to vanish. Eyebrows are raised at certain strange coincidences - Peez suddenly becoming enthused about Indian food, and musing upon the deliciousness of a cabbage curry on the very day after Caine's last post; Nerd of Redhead strangely disappearing just prior to Peez reporting on a ginger-spiced turnip stew he had cooked up, commenting that it had a tendency to repeat on himself. Before long, Pharyngula's following has thinned out considerably, while Peez himself has gotten fat to the point of being like a slim version of Ed Brayton.

Rebecca Watson finds herself in another elevator-related shitstorm when she reveals that the was approached by creepy guy in a lift at a conference, who asked her if her hair dye was ethically sourced and suitable for vegetarians. 'Don't take this the wrong way,' he apparently said, 'but if you were a potato I'd probably really like to eat you.' Rebecca ended the Patreon sponsored video by telling vegetarians not to do that, thereby unleashing a schism within the vegetarian world, with those who would happily eat a male potato version of Watson denouncing as sexist those who would prefer only to eat a female version. PZ Myers immediately takes Rebecca's side, and decrees that those sexist, misogynistic vegetarians 'all have the name Adolf Hitler, every single one.'

Oolon gets another slice of TV fame when a remarkable species of ponytailed toad is discovered in the jungles of Borneo - with by then no live examples forthcoming, Oolon is used to show what one would look like in the wild.

Melody Hensley finally loses all that weight she acquired from being ill with PTSD when her own body fat runs away from her out of sheer embarrasment.

Ophelia Benson actually writes a post which for once is mostly in her own words, where she explains that further to last years' discovery of this horrible thing called 'work', she is aghast to discover that lots of people actually go out and do it. 'They do this thing called work, you know,' starts the post. She ends it with,'You know who else works? Pedophile priests. And nazis.'

Richard Carrier at last discovers the one, conclusive final proof of Jesus' nonexistence, when he realizes, whilst masturbating, that if there ought to be a son of God, then God could do no better than have Carrier himself as His son. Quod erat demonstrandum - problem solved. Carrier subsequently celebrates by spending a week treating himself to his own reflection.

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Post by Mykeru » Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:45 pm

Oh, I came across the Holy Grail of props.

[youtube]4DUULvPJTgk[/youtube]

I want a real one.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:29 pm

Board going down briefly. Back in less than five minutes.

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Post by Lsuoma » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:33 pm

See if you can spot what I did there.

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Post by Gumby » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:35 pm

Lsuoma wrote:See if you can spot what I did there.
Can't fool me!

Happy New Year fascist tit.

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Post by ROBOKiTTY » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:40 pm

w00t, new thread.

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Post by DownThunder » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:56 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
DownThunder wrote:
Ani DiFranco strikes me as someone who uses music as a medium for politics, where music always takes a secondary role. As such, these workshops are less about music and more about self righteous schlicking. Seriously, she described it (it was cancelled) as a "righteous retreat" for “progressive and engaged people”.
Ani Difranco is a fun-sucker.
For those following this sj soap opera, heres difranco's cancellation of the retreat:

http://www.righteousbabe.com/blogs/news ... -cancelled

Now, Im not totally fluent in sj dogpilese, but having read her statement, words like "but" and "however" would seem to indicate a lot of Notpologising and Doubling Down. Im with her on a few things: where is the invisible boundary where a certain patch of land is racist ground, where 2 feet to the left is not? This sj stuff seems very tribal and religious, like the notion of cursed ground.

How does she know what places are fine and what ones are not? She won't. That's the point of this constant guilt. Its like playing a game of minesweeper, except you only can clear one block at a time and you dont get those little warning numbers...

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Post by Really? » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:37 pm

DownThunder wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
DownThunder wrote:
Ani DiFranco strikes me as someone who uses music as a medium for politics, where music always takes a secondary role. As such, these workshops are less about music and more about self righteous schlicking. Seriously, she described it (it was cancelled) as a "righteous retreat" for “progressive and engaged people”.
Ani Difranco is a fun-sucker.
For those following this sj soap opera, heres difranco's cancellation of the retreat:

http://www.righteousbabe.com/blogs/news ... -cancelled

Now, Im not totally fluent in sj dogpilese, but having read her statement, words like "but" and "however" would seem to indicate a lot of Notpologising and Doubling Down. Im with her on a few things: where is the invisible boundary where a certain patch of land is racist ground, where 2 feet to the left is not? This sj stuff seems very tribal and religious, like the notion of cursed ground.

How does she know what places are fine and what ones are not? She won't. That's the point of this constant guilt. Its like playing a game of minesweeper, except you only can clear one block at a time and you dont get those little warning numbers...
now im not a big ani difranco fan. anyone who writes like that is probably an asshole, but i love this part of the notpology:
my focus for the righteous retreat was on creating an enriching experience that celebrated a diversity of voice and spirit. i invited my friends Buddy Wakefield, Toshi Reagon and Hamell on Trial to impart their particular brands of spirit and wisdom to the conference attendees. i also planned to take the whole group on a field trip to Roots of Music, a free music school for underprivileged kids in New Orleans. Roots of Music is located at the Cabildo, a building in the French Quarter which was the seat of the former slaveholder government where all the laws of the slave state were first written and enacted. i believe that the existence of Roots of Music in this building is transcendent and it would have been a very inspiring place to visit. i also believe that Roots could have gained a few new supporters. in short, i think many positive and life-affirming connections would have been made at this conference, in its all of its complexity of design.
it's fucking hilarious that these dumb idiots care more about something that ended 150 years ago than helping contemporary children learn about the amazing tradition of music in new orleans. but in ani difranco's case, if you build your career on all of these SJL issues, you must accept that you have made your own bed and lie in it. here's hoping they continue to boycott her.

why don't they understand that no one in the world us "pure" enough to be one of them?


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