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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Snapfingers wrote:
Well, you had it easy.
I had two pages of hate, and I had to change my phonenumber twice and I had to move my family for three months to a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt. But if you tell bloggers about that today they won't believe you.
Four Yorkshiremen?

That was my guess. It made me smile.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Surgeon -4 hours.

Hey Phil, as long as you are going in for a tune-up, have the surgeon update the look.

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Good luck!

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Clarence wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:... he should remember that the Pit could be having a blast shooping him into porn. It would be easy. Fortunately for him, we're not seething tenured dirtbags.
Speak for yourself, "sugar dumpling". I don't think 'having a blast' would be a good description of the making of a porn pic with PZ shooped into it. Unless 'having a blast' is another way of saying 'puking your guts up'.

Anyway, yes this Becky/Peez shoop of yours is vomit inducing and makes me cringe.

Really good job, but for the love of GOD or SATAN or fucking CTHULHU, please keep your sick, disgusting, perverted, diabolical ideas about PZ Porn shoops to yourself!

And I Swear To God, if you make one and put my Dear Suey into it.... :x :x :evil: :!: :!: :!: :snooty:



;) ... about the violence, not the barfing
Ease down. Breathe slowly and say to yourself, "It's only chocolate pudding... it's only chocolate pudding..."

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Ape+lust wrote:
Ease down. Breathe slowly and say to yourself, "It's only chocolate pudding... it's only chocolate pudding..."
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Speaking of Twitter. It's amazing how often the SJWs go out of their way to deny people the freedom of speech on social media. If you have a POV different than them, and you start to become 'known' to them, they routinely engage in orchestrated campaigns to silence you.

Not only did we have Thunderfoot get shut down recently (and not for anything said on Twitter), but Janet Bloomfield, whom I occasionally read is now going through her third Twitter-ban attack. And I know there are more that have gone through this crap, especially when the Blockbot was using the spam reporting function and all of its enrolled douche-nozzles were submitting accounts as spammers.

And yet the people running the shut-down campaigns are far, far worse on a daily basis than anyone (except for the stupidest of trolls) I've ever seen shut down. The hypocrisy burns.

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Tribble wrote:
paddybrown wrote:Which of course leads to this:

[youtube]G2kD1YUtA5o[/youtube]
I watched all the Armstrong & Miller scenes on YouTube. We don't get quality comedy like that in the States. If we did, I might actually subscribe to TV again.
Poppycock, it's just that it all happened a long, long time ago...

[youtube]x1oZmRA2K1E[/youtube]

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Speaking of Twitter. It's amazing how often the SJWs go out of their way to deny people the freedom of speech on social media. If you have a POV different than them, and you start to become 'known' to them, they routinely engage in orchestrated campaigns to silence you.
#EndFreezePeach #MisogynistsInJail #KillAllHarassers

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To everyone speculating about how to respond to doxxing - don't do it by doxxing here - it will get you a permanent ban.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/FRRoUZs.png
Damn ... Little Paul's "I coulda been a contender" complex is fierce. "I was into zebrafish before zebrafish were cool." Yeah, Puny Paul, and too bad you were too lazy/incompetent to stick with it until they became cool. Pitiful fucking little man should shut the fuck up about it - it's embarrassing.

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sinister wrote:I am still trying to figure out when I started having sex with cows. I am not even quite sure why I came up to be honest. I learn so much on the Pit.
Wait. You're the person we're referring to? Shit. I thought it was someone I don't like.

I have calf a mind to apologize. tee hee
Just in case anyone is actually unaware of this, the Ben who tweeted that Bill Nye "gets handsy at conferences," and who fucks cows, is Ben Zvan, the Stephalump's husband.

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Lsuoma wrote:To everyone speculating about how to respond to doxxing - don't do it by doxxing here - it will get you a permanent ban.
Lsuoma's real name is Fascist Tit. I know this from very good sources.

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Mykeru wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:
My suggestion to the slymepit would that ignoring Pzombie's attention seeking would be more harmful to him than any noticeable reaction. He is terrified of obscurity online because it is all the little runt has left.
I'm not in favor of the "ignore them and they will go away" strategy for dealing with bullies. I prefer kicking the shit out of them at recess.

The problem with trying to relegate Myers to irrelevance is that he's still out there, self-promoting and taking people in. How long did it take Michael Nugent to catch on to this guy? You simply can't cede the field. You get the word out and subject them to public correction.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not of the "ignore them and they will go away" school either. However I don't think any form of retaliation benefits anyone but PZombie, thought it may in the short term sate some emotions about the little runt.

Did you ever have one of those guys in school who would stay out of reach and shout shit at classmates? Not a bully but an annoying little prick who would then be chased, caught, take a beating, apologise and then once again run to a safe distance and start shouting shit again, over and over?

PZombie is like that. He's no bully, he's an attention seeking runt, an obnoxious flabby middle aged failure stuck in the arse-end of nowhere who continually incinerates any bridges he builds. His so called horde seem to be a cluster of about half a dozen disturbed individuals. At this point he is pretty much an irrelevance and any notoriety he may receive bolsters in himself the idea that he is not a flabby failure. At best he is beneath contempt but sometimes manages to make the climb all the way up to being contemptuous. He doesn't care what type of attention he gets as long as he gets it. It feeds his skewed ego and makes him think he's something special.

Still if people have had enough of his shit, fine, he's fair game as far as I'm concerned, I think it is playing right into his self delusion but perhaps not. I would advise, however, if one is going to go after him, no half measures.

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“[PERSONAL, REDACTED]”
http://www.change.org/p/bay-area-scienc ... al-program

A petition like this is more compelling and credible when there aren't at least three misspelled words in the opening paragraph.

Also some people seem to be emphasizing the fact that Little Paul doxed "a woman," like it matters more because she's a woman. I mean, it matters from the point of view of IOWWDI hypocrisy, and I recognize the rhetorical power of turning SJWs' own twisted logic against them, but, at the same time, I think it's important not to lend too much credibility to imbecilic tropes like "x was mean to someone / that person was a woman / therefore x is a misogynist (or the white knight implication - 'therefore it's a meaner act than if he'd done it to a man') -- unless the irony is reasonably obvious.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I will give Damion a break, because I think he's as pissed off about this whole bag of shit as we are.
I concur. I don't think Damion is as bad or as horrible as every makes him out to be. Yes, he likes to debate matters from all sides. Yes, he crossed the doxxing line a bit, which was caught by the mod. But people are currently debating the line here.

Of all the horrible people in the world Damion isn't one of them.

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Lsuoma wrote:To everyone speculating about how to respond to doxxing - don't do it by doxxing here - it will get you a permanent ban.
Although, if you want to talk to Lsuoma about it offline, here's his name and employment address:

Jung-Un McShuggahtits
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Bitchass, CA 90031

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Mykeru's sig is even more transgressive now that ISIS is releasing a video a week.

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Richard Dworkins wrote:I would advise, however, if one is going to go after him, no half measures.
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Apples wrote:
A petition like this is more compelling and credible when there aren't at least three misspelled words in the opening paragraph.

Also some people seem to be emphasizing the fact that Little Paul doxed "a woman," like it matters more because she's a woman. I mean, it matters from the point of view of IOWWDI hypocrisy, and I recognize the rhetorical power of turning SJWs' own twisted logic against them, but, at the same time, I think it's important not to lend too much credibility to imbecilic tropes like "x was mean to someone / that person was a woman / therefore x is a misogynist (or the white knight implication - 'therefore it's a meaner act than if he'd done it to a man') -- unless the irony is reasonably obvious.
Yeah, no, bullshit! I intend to take them to task, up to the smallest rhetorical point they've ever made, until they disappear into complete anonymity.

Stop trying to get the high ground. There's no high ground here. That these fuckers call themselves "feminists" (scare quotes intended) and then go on and viciously dox a woman for disagreeing with them is pure, unadulterated horse crap. It's become political, and although I couldn't give less of a fuck about US politics right now, I still think these people need to go.

I am Spartacunt!

(BTW, anything I do or say will be in my name only. The Slymepit and its members are not responsible for it.)

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Mykeru wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:I would advise, however, if one is going to go after him, no half measures.
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/approves.
Exactly what I was thinking of.

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zenbabe wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Was anyone else moved by the way Rebecca came slashing at Skep? I didn't see anybody send up the FREE BEER signal. She came unbidden, ready to do or die by her friend. It's like her tender feelings were suddenly revealed in a selfless moment and...

I'm sorry, I can't go on. Love stories always make me weepy.

http://imgur.com/P1JcdvF.jpg
omfg APE!
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I post about this being a goddamn safe place and you post that without a trigger warning I can't even!
:laughing-rofl:
When I saw that grotesquerie all I could hear in my mind was Aerosmith's "Love in An Elevator."

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Apples wrote: -- Image Removed --

A petition like this is more compelling and credible when there aren't at least three misspelled words in the opening paragraph.

Also some people seem to be emphasizing the fact that Little Paul doxed "a woman," like it matters more because she's a woman. I mean, it matters from the point of view of IOWWDI hypocrisy, and I recognize the rhetorical power of turning SJWs' own twisted logic against them, but, at the same time, I think it's important not to lend too much credibility to imbecilic tropes like "x was mean to someone / that person was a woman / therefore x is a misogynist (or the white knight implication - 'therefore it's a meaner act than if he'd done it to a man') -- unless the irony is reasonably obvious.
God damn it, that's a dox.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I am Spartacunt!
lol

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Apples wrote: Damn ... Little Paul's "I coulda been a contender" complex is fierce. "I was into zebrafish before zebrafish were cool." Yeah, Puny Paul, and too bad you were too lazy/incompetent to stick with it until they became cool. Pitiful fucking little man should shut the fuck up about it - it's embarrassing.
Zebrafish might be great for some kinds of research, but as preclinical models for human cancers ... not so much. The mouse doesn't always provide a perfect model either, but there are many examples of mouse knockout, transgenic, and xenograft tumor models that are used extensively in preclinical testing and therapeutic development.

A Very Famous Scientist (and Nobel laureate), who had started working on zebrafish, gave a talk at a meeting years ago, in which she boasted and boasted about how fucking wonderful zebrafish were and how they were going to take over developmental biology research completely. Another Famous Scientist, well-known for her research on mouse development, spoke up and systemically ripped the VFS a new one, pointing out some of the many examples for which genes and concepts had been identified first in the mouse, and were then confirmed (some might say copycatted) in zebrafish. There were rage tears, as I recall.

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Totally apropos of absolutely nothing except perhaps a little comic relief in these trying times. I'm having trouble with a Maytag washer, so consulted some Youtubes for help. Came upon this entirely off the cuff video of two guys trying to diagnose a washer. Unintentional hilarity ensues. If you have 8 minutes to spare, and you're into this kind of stuff, you may find this amusing. Sometimes you find gold in the strangest places.
The Demon Washer from Hell...

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I'm in agreement with Phil & Mykeru on this. Scorched earth.

Maybe it's that I'm just an angry person by nature. Maybe it's the fact that I saw these fuckers weaseling their identity politics and their cultural/social imperialism into the community & voluntary sector organisations I worked with back in Northern Ireland 15 years ago when the EU was doling out money and influence.

Whatever, but they wreck everything they touch and I'm fucking sick of them. I know what social justice activism looks like, and these fuckers ain't it. The fact that they're visible to the untrained eye now means that it's time to say enough.

The problem, of course, is that I'm still not entirely sure how to tackle the wider problem. With respect to Myers and his band of disfunctional fellow travellers, I've done my bit although whether or not anything will come of it remains to be seen.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Apples wrote:
A petition like this is more compelling and credible when there aren't at least three misspelled words in the opening paragraph.

Also some people seem to be emphasizing the fact that Little Paul doxed "a woman," like it matters more because she's a woman. I mean, it matters from the point of view of IOWWDI hypocrisy, and I recognize the rhetorical power of turning SJWs' own twisted logic against them, but, at the same time, I think it's important not to lend too much credibility to imbecilic tropes like "x was mean to someone / that person was a woman / therefore x is a misogynist (or the white knight implication - 'therefore it's a meaner act than if he'd done it to a man') -- unless the irony is reasonably obvious.
Yeah, no, bullshit! I intend to take them to task, up to the smallest rhetorical point they've ever made, until they disappear into complete anonymity.

Stop trying to get the high ground. There's no high ground here. That these fuckers call themselves "feminists" (scare quotes intended) and then go on and viciously dox a woman for disagreeing with them is pure, unadulterated horse crap. It's become political, and although I couldn't give less of a fuck about US politics right now, I still think these people need to go.
White knight level: 9000

Phil, you wrote on Nugent's blog:
When it comes down to this, and if you want at least one good reason why Myers’ behavior and online presence should be reported to UMM, you only need to look at some of the claims he’s made about biology and the views he tacitly endorses WRT biology as posted by his commentariat or argued in his online conferences.
Do you mean his claims about sex differences? Those are no more ridiculous than the "blank slate"- type anti-evo-psych views Stephen Jay Gould espoused (which were arguably also politically motivated). And all anyone could do about that was argue with Gould. What do you expect the UMM to do about Myers?

I'm not trying to "get the high ground", this just seems like pathetic flailing to grasp anything to "get at" Myers. Are you trying to claim the stupid ground from FTB?

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Ape+lust wrote:Was anyone else moved by the way Rebecca came slashing at Skep? I didn't see anybody send up the FREE BEER signal. She came unbidden, ready to do or die by her friend. It's like her tender feelings were suddenly revealed in a selfless moment and...

I'm sorry, I can't go on. Love stories always make me weepy.

http://imgur.com/P1JcdvF.jpg
She just bought a mermaid costume for later.

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Okay, last time, you simply cannot doxx Jay Leno by calling his producers. If Jay Leno told his audience to harass someone, calling the network he works for isn't"doxxing! Nor would it be up to David Letterman's audience to fix all alone because of online squabbles the audience may engage in.

Real world damage has been done, not atheist damage, not forum flame damage, not Halo tea-bags, and certainly not skeptic damage. REAL WORLD HARM. Both financially and physically, just because it hasn't happened this time, ignores very real possibilities.

Seriously, you point and laugh at SJWs for not doing anything about what they claim to work against, but when it's your turn to do something, you do the exact same thing you ridicule! Guys, we always joke about a lack of conviction and introspection, well I think that it might be time to grab a mirror.

I can't even to begin to understand why you don't imagine one of his students couldn't be next. Seiously, we are no longer talking about blog posts that are upsetting, but attempts to financially and posibby physically endanger a person! A real person, not a nym.

Plesse, explain to me when it does become okay to notify a college about a dangerous professor? Not one you simply disagree with, someone willing to hurt people because of internet jokes. Please moral "purista" when is it too much? Ballpark it for me.

Actual meat space physical and/or financial harm and that's not even accounting for "splash damage". Stop glossing over that part for fuck's sake!

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Now Aneris is posting conference policies at Nugent's blog, and it doesn't appear to be tounge in cheek... Conference policy requests (demands?)

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There's a couple of posts on Nugent's blog saying Peezus is not a misogynist - "let's not stoop" type of thing, but is there a list anywhere of the women he's attacked/ridiculed/doxxed/tried to get fired/assaulted/propositioned or just plain silenced? I feel that while they're all obviously "chill girl/sister punishers" a list would still be worthwhile.

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I hope I was Poe'd

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BarnOwl wrote:
Apples wrote: Damn ... Little Paul's "I coulda been a contender" complex is fierce. "I was into zebrafish before zebrafish were cool." Yeah, Puny Paul, and too bad you were too lazy/incompetent to stick with it until they became cool. Pitiful fucking little man should shut the fuck up about it - it's embarrassing.
Zebrafish might be great for some kinds of research, but as preclinical models for human cancers ... not so much. The mouse doesn't always provide a perfect model either, but there are many examples of mouse knockout, transgenic, and xenograft tumor models that are used extensively in preclinical testing and therapeutic development.

A Very Famous Scientist (and Nobel laureate), who had started working on zebrafish, gave a talk at a meeting years ago, in which she boasted and boasted about how fucking wonderful zebrafish were and how they were going to take over developmental biology research completely. Another Famous Scientist, well-known for her research on mouse development, spoke up and systemically ripped the VFS a new one, pointing out some of the many examples for which genes and concepts had been identified first in the mouse, and were then confirmed (some might say copycatted) in zebrafish. There were rage tears, as I recall.
So, it's new grant time. WIfe has been having trouble coming up with 'ideas' (as in a major, anxiety provoking way). Won't be fired, but money will be short and salary could reduced in a fairly major way. This is one of the downsides of science -- no grant, no big salary...

Which is similar to many career fields, really. There just comes a point in time where you're done for whatever reason -- age, out-of-step, no-more-ideas, whatever, you're no longer a 'rain maker' and the compensation is reduced (or even eliminated).

Anyway, right now she's got a couple of significant aims (or specific aims or whatever they're called, I don't pay that much attention to the terminology) going through the department review process before being made ready for a 'certified budget.' One of the things she rejected, before she submitted those two aims was recapitulating (in Zebrafish) some mouse work.

She was all like 'that's bullshit.' I was like, I don't care. Get the money. If the NIH will fund that kind of research, take it.

Anyway, after the eye-rolling at my pragmatic suggestion, she's submitting stuff on microtubules and how mutations can affect neurological development. This little wikipedia excerpt might give you some idea of what she's looking at and why:
Several rare neurodegenerative diseases are linked to genetic mutations in the motor proteins, kinesin and dynein, and in those cases it is likely that axonal transport is a key player in mediating pathology. Dysfunctional axonal transport is also linked to sporadic (common) forms of neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.[8] This is mainly due to numerous observations that large axonal accumulations are invariably seen in affected neurons, and that genes known to play a role in the familial forms of these diseases also have purported roles in normal axonal transport. However there is little direct evidence for involvement of axonal transport in the latter diseases, and other mechanisms (such as direct synaptotoxicity) may be more relevant.

Since the axon depends on axoplasmic transport for vital proteins and materials, injury such as diffuse axonal injury that interrupts the transport will cause the distal axon to degenerate in a process called Wallerian degeneration. Cancer drugs that interfere with cancerous growth by altering microtubules (which are necessary for cell division) damage nerves because the microtubules are necessary for axonal transport.[1]
But, yeah, lots of that early Zebrafish work was just low-hanging fruit where they took results from other animal models and re-did the work in Zebrafish. And there's (likely) a lot of that still going on.

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This place has certainly gotten bellicose over the last few days :shock: I understand the emotion, I share it to an extent. But I question the effectiveness of rash actions resulting from it. We've gotten to where we are today by effectively laughing at our opponents. Personally I'm not very comfortable with more vicious tactics. The thing about being the "better" man/woman/otherkin is that you need to keep doing it especially when it's inconvenient.

But that's just my opinion, I'm equally uncomfortable telling anyone else how they ought to react.

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Nobody can out-weird Ophelia's weird metaphors. In order to agree with Laurie Penny's assertion that justice warriors are winning, Ophelia has declared herself not-a-dog (though I'm pretty sure she's still a toilet).

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Post by strayling »

Kirbmarc wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Was anyone else moved by the way Rebecca came slashing at Skep? I didn't see anybody send up the FREE BEER signal. She came unbidden, ready to do or die by her friend. It's like her tender feelings were suddenly revealed in a selfless moment and...

I'm sorry, I can't go on. Love stories always make me weepy.

http://imgur.com/P1JcdvF.jpg
She just bought a mermaid costume for later.
And that shoop is no doubt being saved in PZ's spank bank.

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Cunt of Personality wrote:I'm in agreement with Phil & Mykeru on this. Scorched earth.

Maybe it's that I'm just an angry person by nature. Maybe it's the fact that I saw these fuckers weaseling their identity politics and their cultural/social imperialism into the community & voluntary sector organisations I worked with back in Northern Ireland 15 years ago when the EU was doling out money and influence.

Whatever, but they wreck everything they touch and I'm fucking sick of them. I know what social justice activism looks like, and these fuckers ain't it. The fact that they're visible to the untrained eye now means that it's time to say enough.

The problem, of course, is that I'm still not entirely sure how to tackle the wider problem. With respect to Myers and his band of disfunctional fellow travellers, I've done my bit although whether or not anything will come of it remains to be seen.
These things tend to crash under their own weight. After a while, people burn out on it or start seeing through it.

Look at Rush Limbaugh. At one-time he was the #1 show in the East Coast Media market. As of this year, he's #22 and behind a classical music station and FOUR non-English stations. In California, it's even worse. He went to some 'nothing' station in LA that is behind FOUR COLLEGE RADIO STATIONS in ratings. And in SF they kicked him over to some third-tier AM station.

And while those markets may be 'more liberal' than average media markets, they're not entirely liberal and, at one time, he had a major presence in both of those markets.

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Post by Hunt »

TedDahlberg wrote:This place has certainly gotten bellicose over the last few days :shock: I understand the emotion, I share it to an extent. But I question the effectiveness of rash actions resulting from it. We've gotten to where we are today by effectively laughing at our opponents. Personally I'm not very comfortable with more vicious tactics. The thing about being the "better" man/woman/otherkin is that you need to keep doing it especially when it's inconvenient.

But that's just my opinion, I'm equally uncomfortable telling anyone else how they ought to react.
Unfortunately I don't think we're going to be able to shove a sock in PZ's mouth with the power of love.

[youtube]Y8HOfcYWZoo[/youtube]

Ok. I accept my permaban with resignation.

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Post by sinister »

TedDahlberg wrote:This place has certainly gotten bellicose over the last few days :shock: I understand the emotion, I share it to an extent. But I question the effectiveness of rash actions resulting from it. We've gotten to where we are today by effectively laughing at our opponents. Personally I'm not very comfortable with more vicious tactics. The thing about being the "better" man/woman/otherkin is that you need to keep doing it especially when it's inconvenient.

But that's just my opinion, I'm equally uncomfortable telling anyone else how they ought to react.
First, there is nothing vicious about doing what you can to prevent harm. Real world personal harm is being attempted / done. Period. No two-ways about it.

Secondly, I am not telling anyone how to act, I am pointing out flaws in their behavior, and definitely making sure that the 'do-nothing SJW model' which is apparently being fully implemented here is pretty hypocritical.

Apparently it also needs to be said that you aren't "sinking to someone's level" by pointing out they have not met the moral / ethical requirements they vociferously proclaim everyone should be held to. You certainly DON'T have to agree with someone's redefinition of words in order to say they meet the description they use for it. Especially when it is done in mocking jest.

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sinister wrote:Okay, last time, you simply cannot doxx Jay Leno by calling his producers. If Jay Leno told his audience to harass someone, calling the network he works for isn't"doxxing! Nor would it be up to David Letterman's audience to fix all alone because of online squabbles the audience may engage in.

Real world damage has been done, not atheist damage, not forum flame damage, not Halo tea-bags, and certainly not skeptic damage. REAL WORLD HARM. Both financially and physically, just because it hasn't happened this time, ignores very real possibilities.

Seriously, you point and laugh at SJWs for not doing anything about what they claim to work against, but when it's your turn to do something, you do the exact same thing you ridicule! Guys, we always joke about a lack of conviction and introspection, well I think that it might be time to grab a mirror.

I can't even to begin to understand why you don't imagine one of his students couldn't be next. Seiously, we are no longer talking about blog posts that are upsetting, but attempts to financially and posibby physically endanger a person! A real person, not a nym.

Plesse, explain to me when it does become okay to notify a college about a dangerous professor? Not one you simply disagree with, someone willing to hurt people because of internet jokes. Please moral "purista" when is it too much? Ballpark it for me.

Actual meat space physical and/or financial harm and that's not even accounting for "splash damage". Stop glossing over that part for fuck's sake!
Whom are you arguing with? Most of what I'm seeing is a lot of "It's now or Neville" wharrgarbling and people strapping on their paintball gear (no offense intended to CuntofPersonality, but it's funny to see a comment start out calling for "scorched earth", only to trail off a few sentences later into "whatever that would entail, I mean, I dunno, besides, I'm busy...")

So, what we've got so far is Brive's idea for a manifesto and the threat of MAD, a vague notion to contact the UMM to complain and hope that we can accomplish what thousands of enraged Catholics couldn't, the usual guerilla Twitter warfare, and a cool reworked propaganda poster of a Jeep. Is that about right?

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Ape+lust wrote:Nobody can out-weird Ophelia's weird metaphors. In order to agree with Laurie Penny's assertion that justice warriors are winning, Ophelia has declared herself not-a-dog (though I'm pretty sure she's still a toilet).

https://archive.today/Vv6dV

http://imgur.com/oy7cOBK.jpg
Weird, yes. Also just plain dumb. It's as if she's trying to be deep and philosophical, and the cognitive horsepower isn't quite up to the task.

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sinister wrote: Seriously, you point and laugh at SJWs for not doing anything about what they claim to work against, but when it's your turn to do something, you do the exact same thing you ridicule! Guys, we always joke about a lack of conviction and introspection, well I think that it might be time to grab a mirror.
Dunno, complaining to someone's higher ups because we need to DOOOO SOMETHIIIING about a DANGEROUS MAN about seems to be something SJWs manage perfectly well.

FTR I agree with what this person said on Nugent's blog:
Sharon Madison wrote:I fail to see how contacting P.Z. Myers’s employer is an appropriate response to the current actions being taken against Skeptickle. P.Z. Myers is not employed at UMinn Morris as a secular or atheist activist. He’s there to teach biology.

This problem has been caused by those who tout P.Z. Myers as someone worthy of a platform in secular activism. And, therefore, it’s the responsibility of those of us who find his behavior unacceptable who must clean up the mess not. UMinn Morris has no responsibility to do our work for us.
sinister wrote:Plesse, explain to me when it does become okay to notify a college about a dangerous professor? Not one you simply disagree with, someone willing to hurt people because of internet jokes. Please moral "purista" when is it too much? Ballpark it for me.
Please explain how bitching to his college will prevent him from doxxing people on his own fucking blog?

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Brive1987 wrote:
Aneris wrote:Michael Nugent is awesome he redacted it. Again sorry, should have noted it.

Besides, Brive, my ignore list had like a handful tops on it, and then usually temporary from screwdriver-type discussions, or garbage post sprees.
I just assumed you didn't like me.

No one else does.

;)
I hate everyone equally.
Like God.

(in reality I don't hold grudges for longer than 5minutes)

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sinister wrote:Now Aneris is posting conference policies at Nugent's blog, and it doesn't appear to be tounge in cheek... Conference policy requests (demands?)

We have become the monsters we fight.
He asked what conference could do, and that was a common sense take on it. I've been to a few conferences, but not in atheism. It surprises me that it's controversial at all. They also need to have evacuation plans and all kinds of other things. Is this also controversial? You can leave that to the loons on the other side, or make a better proposal.

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Post by sinister »

Sure windy, bitching at UM ensures no students are subjected to idealog willing to cause harm to those who would dare disagree with him. He is willing to abuse power, so ensure he doesn't have power over people.

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Post by Brive1987 »

Well I'm not seeing significant resolve for collective ultimatums backed by threat of reprisal. But I'll keep my eyes open.

However Oggie you sad pathetic bastard. For god's sake. If you are going to claim to be a rapist, cover your tracks. Because right now you are wide open.

But the pit doesn't doxx. Thank your lucky stars your critics are us and not PZ.

Because then you would have been truly fucked.

http://i.imgur.com/2y4iY5Z.jpg

And please. Stop with the equivalency between your 'rapist' and the Pit.

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Cliché Guevara wrote:
sinister wrote:Okay, last time, you simply cannot doxx Jay Leno by calling his producers. If Jay Leno told his audience to harass someone, calling the network he works for isn't"doxxing! Nor would it be up to David Letterman's audience to fix all alone because of online squabbles the audience may engage in.

Real world damage has been done, not atheist damage, not forum flame damage, not Halo tea-bags, and certainly not skeptic damage. REAL WORLD HARM. Both financially and physically, just because it hasn't happened this time, ignores very real possibilities.

Seriously, you point and laugh at SJWs for not doing anything about what they claim to work against, but when it's your turn to do something, you do the exact same thing you ridicule! Guys, we always joke about a lack of conviction and introspection, well I think that it might be time to grab a mirror.

I can't even to begin to understand why you don't imagine one of his students couldn't be next. Seiously, we are no longer talking about blog posts that are upsetting, but attempts to financially and posibby physically endanger a person! A real person, not a nym.

Plesse, explain to me when it does become okay to notify a college about a dangerous professor? Not one you simply disagree with, someone willing to hurt people because of internet jokes. Please moral "purista" when is it too much? Ballpark it for me.

Actual meat space physical and/or financial harm and that's not even accounting for "splash damage". Stop glossing over that part for fuck's sake!
Whom are you arguing with? Most of what I'm seeing is a lot of "It's now or Neville" wharrgarbling and people strapping on their paintball gear (no offense intended to CuntofPersonality, but it's funny to see a comment start out calling for "scorched earth", only to trail off a few sentences later into "whatever that would entail, I mean, I dunno, besides, I'm busy...")

So, what we've got so far is Brive's idea for a manifesto and the threat of MAD, a vague notion to contact the UMM to complain and hope that we can accomplish what thousands of enraged Catholics couldn't, the usual guerilla Twitter warfare, and a cool reworked propaganda poster of a Jeep. Is that about right?
I wouldn't characterise the last sentence of my post in quite the same way you did, although perhaps you were too busy to read it. I'll wait for the response to the emails I've sent while you wring your hands over which person actually doing something meets your standards.

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sinister wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote:This place has certainly gotten bellicose over the last few days :shock: I understand the emotion, I share it to an extent. But I question the effectiveness of rash actions resulting from it. We've gotten to where we are today by effectively laughing at our opponents. Personally I'm not very comfortable with more vicious tactics. The thing about being the "better" man/woman/otherkin is that you need to keep doing it especially when it's inconvenient.

But that's just my opinion, I'm equally uncomfortable telling anyone else how they ought to react.
First, there is nothing vicious about doing what you can to prevent harm. Real world personal harm is being attempted / done. Period. No two-ways about it.
Let me be clear, I'm not saying nothing should be done. But if (to quote an above post from you) "notify a college about a dangerous professor" doesn't sound like calling for an eye for an eye in this situation, my reading comprehension is worse than I thought. As someone said some pages ago, it seems as if some people are beginning to buy the 'pit's own hyperbole.
sinister wrote:Secondly, I am not telling anyone how to act, I am pointing out flaws in their behavior, and definitely making sure that the 'do-nothing SJW model' which is apparently being fully implemented here is pretty hypocritical.


I have no response to that which is not equally insulting, so I'll refrain from commenting further.
sinister wrote:Apparently it also needs to be said that you aren't "sinking to someone's level" by pointing out they have not met the moral / ethical requirements they vociferously proclaim everyone should be held to. You certainly DON'T have to agree with someone's redefinition of words in order to say they meet the description they use for it. Especially when it is done in mocking jest.
Agreed, absolutely. That's still a far cry from allowing understandable anger to make you take rash action. I say again, I'm not advocating that nothing be done. I simply think that whatever is done should not be done in anger. That's how mistakes are made. That's how Myers has ended up where he is.

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Post by Hunt »

http://i.imgur.com/2y4iY5Z.jpg

Cut. Print.

Og really needs to take a break from his thespian pastime, go sit on a beach for five years, and then...
NEVER RETURN TO THE INTERNET. EVAAAR.

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TedDahlberg wrote:This place has certainly gotten bellicose over the last few days :shock: I understand the emotion, I share it to an extent. But I question the effectiveness of rash actions resulting from it. We've gotten to where we are today by effectively laughing at our opponents. Personally I'm not very comfortable with more vicious tactics. The thing about being the "better" man/woman/otherkin is that you need to keep doing it especially when it's inconvenient.

But that's just my opinion, I'm equally uncomfortable telling anyone else how they ought to react.
For what it is worth..... I have a simple approach to how I attack the PZs and Watsons of the world. If I ever find an opportunity to criticize them I say two things.

1) "PZ Myers is toxic to the secular and skeptical community!"
2) "I refuse to go to his click-bait blog and recommend everyone avoid giving him any clicks!"

This is a simple message. We don't have to debate specifics and recreate history. Long threads pointing out who did what to whom are too complex for people to follow and process. We need to lower the hits to their nasty sites and we need to politely criticize every group that invites them to talk.

Repeat over and over..... they are toxic.... no clicks on their blogs.... they are toxic..... no clicks on their blogs....

I also have no problem using my real name when I do this. I am not doing anything controversial. I have little fear of them "attacking" me for stating such a simple opinion. Imagine what my employer would say if PZ Myers contacted them and complained that I called him "toxic." Haha. He would only be proving my point for me and I might even get support from my employer.

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Tribble wrote:But, yeah, lots of that early Zebrafish work was just low-hanging fruit where they took results from other animal models and re-did the work in Zebrafish. And there's (likely) a lot of that still going on.
I have no argument with work shifting to a less-expensive (and further removed) animal model. Just don't try to tell me that it's "better" in some way, because it almost always isn't.* Lots of us also shifted when the animal-rights folks started coming after primate labs, so money isn't the only reason. But, again, don't try to tell me it's a better model.*

* there are a few, isolated exceptions, such as pigs for liver research, instead of primates; but they are quite rare

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Post by windy »

sinister wrote:Sure windy, bitching at UM ensures no students are subjected to idealog willing to cause harm to those who would dare disagree with him. He is willing to abuse power, so ensure he doesn't have power over people.
So complaining to UMM now "ensures" his tenure is going to be revoked? Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right on that. :roll:

He's outed people before, and caused REAL WORLD HARM. He got a woman fired over a nasty threatening message sent by her husband, and that was in 2008 (this was actually one of the first times I disagreed with him, I thought he was too hasty to out her):

http://www.networkworld.com/article/227 ... -mail.html

And in further devil's advocate mode, what if PZ's defense is that the "rumor" that he picked up a STD at a conference also has the potential to cause REAL WORLD HARM, and thus his doxxing of Skep Tickle was justified?

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Post by TedDahlberg »

John D wrote:
TedDahlberg wrote:This place has certainly gotten bellicose over the last few days :shock: I understand the emotion, I share it to an extent. But I question the effectiveness of rash actions resulting from it. We've gotten to where we are today by effectively laughing at our opponents. Personally I'm not very comfortable with more vicious tactics. The thing about being the "better" man/woman/otherkin is that you need to keep doing it especially when it's inconvenient.

But that's just my opinion, I'm equally uncomfortable telling anyone else how they ought to react.
For what it is worth..... I have a simple approach to how I attack the PZs and Watsons of the world. If I ever find an opportunity to criticize them I say two things.

1) "PZ Myers is toxic to the secular and skeptical community!"
2) "I refuse to go to his click-bait blog and recommend everyone avoid giving him any clicks!"

This is a simple message. We don't have to debate specifics and recreate history. Long threads pointing out who did what to whom are too complex for people to follow and process. We need to lower the hits to their nasty sites and we need to politely criticize every group that invites them to talk.

Repeat over and over..... they are toxic.... no clicks on their blogs.... they are toxic..... no clicks on their blogs....

I also have no problem using my real name when I do this. I am not doing anything controversial. I have little fear of them "attacking" me for stating such a simple opinion. Imagine what my employer would say if PZ Myers contacted them and complained that I called him "toxic." Haha. He would only be proving my point for me and I might even get support from my employer.
Let me just utter a heartfelt this. I comment under my real name because if I'm thinking about saying something I don't want my name associated with, I probably shouldn't say it. Minimizing Myers' platform (or that of anyone who is "toxic" to the community) needs to be the goal, not personal attacks. His student may or may not suffer under him, but that's for the college to deal with, not an internet mob.

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The issue on the table is how to prevent another Skep tickle incident.

They are shooting the metaphorical hostages. That is usually the trigger for a change of approach.

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Post by BlueShiftRhino »

windy wrote:
sinister wrote: Seriously, you point and laugh at SJWs for not doing anything about what they claim to work against, but when it's your turn to do something, you do the exact same thing you ridicule! Guys, we always joke about a lack of conviction and introspection, well I think that it might be time to grab a mirror.
Dunno, complaining to someone's higher ups because we need to DOOOO SOMETHIIIING about a DANGEROUS MAN about seems to be something SJWs manage perfectly well.

FTR I agree with what this person said on Nugent's blog:
Sharon Madison wrote:I fail to see how contacting P.Z. Myers’s employer is an appropriate response to the current actions being taken against Skeptickle. P.Z. Myers is not employed at UMinn Morris as a secular or atheist activist. He’s there to teach biology.

This problem has been caused by those who tout P.Z. Myers as someone worthy of a platform in secular activism. And, therefore, it’s the responsibility of those of us who find his behavior unacceptable who must clean up the mess not. UMinn Morris has no responsibility to do our work for us.
sinister wrote:Plesse, explain to me when it does become okay to notify a college about a dangerous professor? Not one you simply disagree with, someone willing to hurt people because of internet jokes. Please moral "purista" when is it too much? Ballpark it for me.
Please explain how bitching to his college will prevent him from doxxing people on his own fucking blog?
On one hand, I disagree that this has nothing to do with UMinn Morris. PZ mentions them on both Twitter and FtB, and they cite his internet activities on their Public Affairs page. Also, if you look at the time/date stamps of PZ's posts and tweets, and note that it appears that he's using a computer instead of a phone, then you'll infer that he is probably doing some of this stuff while at the office, which makes it likely - although not definite - that he is using UMinn Morris' internet connection to do it. Like it or not, UMinn Morris is involved.

On the other hand, assuming that the goal is to stop and prevent this sort of behavior, it's not clear how getting PZ in trouble with UMinn Morris will achieve this. First, at most, UMinn Morris could force him to stop using their name and equipment; they can't stop him, from doing it in only his own name, on his own equipment, in his own time. Second, success at getting PZ to disconnect his internet activity from work - while entirely appropriate - would be seen by many idiots folks as an attack on PZ that warrants a reply. Thus, it could actually make things worse, at least for a while.

I am not arguing that nothing should be done and I'm not even arguing that folks who are acting should stop. I was very angry yesterday and would have lashed out done something if I knew how to do so without breaking anonymity. But today I'm suggesting that folks brainstorm on actions that might be effective with minimal collateral damage.

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Post by katamari Damassi »

I'm not a ragey guy. Mostly because I don't think it does any good. I get why people are upset, but what do you honestly think will be accomplished? These toxic parasites are already on the decline. That's why they're turning up the volume.
That said, I do hope that Skep uses all of the avenues available to her to report Twatson, just so there's an official record of it.

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Post by screwtape »

Brive1987 wrote:.
Doxxing Manifesto

Situation
We are getting our arses handed to us by an enemy prepared to take advantage of our values. They have no incentive to stop.

Mission
To remove doxxing and employer alerts from the table as an acceptable weapon - for both sides. But in a way that doesn't publicly humiliate FtB

Execution

General outline -
we publish a manifesto decrying doxxing, committing to continuing our non-doxxing, but threatening swift proportional response to any future Skep tickle level infringement. We are publicly purposely vague, but we privately make it clear to PZ the specifics of what a response would be.

Detailed tasks -
General consensus agreed here (ok that's optimistic)
Matt word-smiths. Moderators edit and draft is PMed to all(?)
Manifesto is published via social media
Specific doxxing info on an especially loved horder is retained by no more than two moderators
Protocols developed for release - hopefully in theory only.
Limited doxxing info provided privately to PZ as "proof of life" - hopefully he will back channel it.

Timings
ASAP - before this strike is written into history as a victory. And as a clear counter response to the lasted atrocity.

.............

And Gumby, relax, I'm not going to ever tactically doxx. But yes, the info alluded to by others is out there and easily available. I know this for a fact. And it does provide us leverage - to ban the doxx. Or we can wait till next time. As long as it's not me.

As I said. I'm happy to wipe this proposal from the table. But I'll be fucked if I won't at least throw it out there.
TL;DR: It's OK when we do it

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You seriously don't see a difference between offence and reactive self defence.

Ok.

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Post by Gumby »

Not pertaining to the current topic of villagers lighting torches, but whatever.

When Damion rode in on his high horse yesterday, he remarked that he had found Ogvorbis's real name in a mere 15 minutes, and loftily said (paraphrased) "but you don't see me posting it anywhere, do you?"

Then a bit later, he tries to slip some information onto the Pit that could have been used to locate Oggie's name, info that I tedacted.

His final post of the evening was a sneering remark about how we're supposedly protecting the identity of a child rapist.

TL;DR: Damion is a fucking hypocrite who wanted us to do his doxxing for him, so he could remain on his high horse, superior to all, while still getting what he wanted. He didn't want to get his own hands/blog/twitter feed dirty, but was more than willing to try to dirty up another site.

That should tell everyone everything they need to know about Damion.

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Post by Rat Bastard »

I mainly lurk here, usually by the time I have caught up with the goings ons here in the Pit, it's kinda too late to make a valid comment. But this whole thing with Myers and the Doxxing of Skep has me furious. However, I am of the opinion that we should just sit back and wait to see what, if any, fallout there is. Just think how frustrating it would be for Meyers if, after all he's trying to do to Skep, the response from her work is "So what?" If there's no fallout, it would serve to make him feel as impotent on the net as he is in the elevator.

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