Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[Tribble]

Look at Sarkeesian. There was a LOT of really good criticism of her work. But, predictably, a small handful of idiots acted like fools and the valid, thoughtful criticism of her work was lumped in, rending it less effective that it should have been.

Problem: Even if the threats against Harpeesian hadn't happened, they still would've "happened".

The victimhood routine is a fixed part of the SJW game, so whether you play a role in or, or are dragged into it by a false-flag, does that really matter ? After all, Harpeesian isn't out there for a meaningful dialogue, she's out there to make money and put herself in the spotlight. It still seems to escape some of you that this isn't a clean game of sports. It's a dirty charade. And most SJWs are at least to some degree dirty actors in this play.

Don't be an Affleck on this one. Adjust your behaviour.

This is well understood. In fact, I do believe I've linked many of these scams. However, there's no need to make it easy for them, now is there?

Plus, at least sometimes, the scams come to light.

[Tribble]

Personally, I don't care what they think. But if you act like an asshole and spend your time acting the fool on the Internet, you are going to sabotage your own message and the message of others.

Look at Sarkeesian. There was a LOT of really good criticism of her work. But, predictably, a small handful of idiots acted like fools and the valid, thoughtful criticism of her work was lumped in, rending it less effective that it should have been

This is definitely true, especially if you're talking about really stupid and unethical things (death and rape threats, porn photo-shops, bullying tactics in general). However, the definition of what exactly constitutes "acting the fool on the Internet" is highly subjective.

To some people the Pit photo-shops can be seen as "acting the fool on the Internet" and yet I don't think you're against them.

They're here on the 'Pit. Sometimes someone will take one and put it in a YouTube video. Something over which nobody has any real control.

They're not, however, being spammed from here to eternity in some sort of Internet Global Thermonuclear War.

Mykeru's proposal, as far I understand it, didn't involve rape or murder threats, or uploading photo-shops of PZ and a squid on a porn site. It was about revealing PZ's unethical behavior to the public. As long as the reveal is limited to what he has actually done and said, and we took out the obvious jokes and the speculations about his STDs, I am in favor of it.

I don't think that publishing a story about PZ and his dirty tricks is "acting like an asshole". Not even if it's done in an ad in newspaper. PZ is a public figure, his identity is no mystery, and his threats and dick moves deserve to be known.

Doxxing Ogvorbis, Cainaj, or other creepy losers which lurk among the FTB crowd would be petty, unethical and stupid, but no one really wants to expose their identities (except Damion, although he wants us to do the dirty job and look like prats in the process).

Brive argued for a "mutually assured destruction" equilibrium of the threats, which I don't think would work, but it doesn't seem to me that he seriously contemplated the option of doxxing the FTBullies.

TL;DR: There is a huge difference between that "Kevin Dobson" moron who posted Anita Sarkeesian's address and threatened to rape and kill her and a serious article about PZ Myers' lies and slander.

Myerku's issue, I think, is that we didn't jump behind him as 'fearless leader.' I thought his call to the UMM was pointless, childish and reminded me of some first grade bully tattling to teacher. Myers has weathered at least one much bigger shit-storm (crackergate) in the past and nothing has happened.

My entire position for action/inaction could be, basically, summed as this: Do what you want, but if you're going to act like a troll you're going to get nowhere and you're going to hurt the efforts of others. Rather, it might be best to continue on as Aneris and some others do -- factual, low-key counter-points to the screaming idiocy of 'The Horde,' Myers, et.al.

In short, win the 'adult' position (aka 'hearts & minds). Because the 'screaming tantrum that wrecks people's lives over Internet Bullshit' position is already filled and we have no real reason to become our opponents.

[TheMan]

Timing

[Kirbmarc]

More to the point, someone's pretty damned jealous of being left out of the picture.

Myers was about to become "someone" in the atheist movement, but he decided he didn't just want to be "someone", he wanted to be the public face of the "good Atheists". He wanted to replace Dawkins as one of the most known atheist in the world. He probably believed that if he catered to the feminists he would have been favorably compared to the other Horsemen.

But it all crashed and burned. He's followed only by a small crowd of one or two hundred of zealots, who fight to be the most self-righteous of them all. His name is unknown to the general public, while people still talk a lot about Dawkins or Sam Harris.

He's not even the most well-known SJW (that would be Sarkeesian).

[Tribble]

In fighting these kinds of bullies, you can't behave like them. For example, McCarthyism wasn't brought-down by more McCarthyism. It was brought down by human dignity and the disinfectant of truth from rather understated individuals like Edward R. Murrow.

I agree with you, but this is exactly what I believe we should do, and what, in my humble opinion, Mykeru wanted to do. PZ looks like a very respectable and ethical individual to the ones who hear only his side of the story in liberal media. I think it's time that the ugly truths about him and his tactics are exposed.

So the question is "did those women 'deserve' this as well PZ?"

If they are worried by an atheist doctor they're most likely religious and therefore, according to PZ's own words, they deserve to be stabbed to death by a dying man if they try to pray for him without immediately calling for help.

So I don't think he gives a damn about their emotional turmoil. At the end of the day SJWs only care about the feelings of other SJWs and of the crowd of potential supporters (who quickly become "gender traitors", "chill girls", "homophobic gays" or "race traitors" when they dare not to agree with them).

I never said: Do Not Fight Them.

I did say: Fight them with facts and reason and not trollish behavior (doxxing, calls to employers, that kind of shit) that both discredits you and poisons the efforts of others. I specifically pointed to Aneris (and others) at Nugent's blog as what I believe is the best the way to do it.

In fact, I have made multiple comments in the 'non-Pit' world about this issue. They run something like this:

The forum where the joke was made is an Internet backwater, ranked somewhere around the 800 thousandth most popular place in the Internet and that it's got about 25 fairly active posters and, maybe, another 50-to-100 casual posters. Myers, if he didn't constantly (his UMM IP comes up daily) look at that forum to find things to take out of context, NOBODY but that small group would ever read the joke and it would have died on the vine.

But Myers, looking for another click-bait, I'm a victim outrage post, jumped on that joke like a duck on a snail. Ironically, had he NOT publicized it, it would have been forgotten/ignored as a mild, tongue-in-cheek joke. But, instead, he went disproportionately thermonuclear over a mosquito bite and doxxed someone for no other reason than he could.

[AnonymousCowherd]

In fighting these kinds of bullies, you can't behave like them. For example, McCarthyism wasn't brought-down by more McCarthyism. It was brought down by human dignity and the disinfectant of truth from rather understated individuals like Edward R. Murrow.

I agree with you, but this is exactly what I believe we should do, and what, in my humble opinion, Mykeru wanted to do. PZ looks like a very respectable and ethical individual to the ones who hear only his side of the story in liberal media. I think it's time that the ugly truths about him and his tactics are exposed.

So the question is "did those women 'deserve' this as well PZ?"

If they are worried by an atheist doctor they're most likely religious and therefore, according to PZ's own words, they deserve to be stabbed to death by a dying man if they try to pray for him without immediately calling for help.

So I don't think he gives a damn about their emotional turmoil. At the end of the day SJWs only care about the feelings of other SJWs and of the crowd of potential supporters (who quickly become "gender traitors", "chill girls", "homophobic gays" or "race traitors" when they dare not to agree with them).

I'm sure you're right about PZ's (lack of) concern. How does that make him look to the onlooker though - if that's who we want to persuade?

[Cliché Guevara]

More to the point, someone's pretty damned jealous of being left out of the picture.

Myers was about to become "someone" in the atheist movement, but he decided he didn't just want to be "someone", he wanted to be the public face of the "good Atheists". He wanted to replace Dawkins as one of the most known atheist in the world. He probably believed that if he catered to the feminists he would have been favorably compared to the other Horsemen.

But it all crashed and burned. He's followed only by a small crowd of one or two hundred of zealots, who fight to be the most self-righteous of them all. His name is unknown to the general public, while people still talk a lot about Dawkins or Sam Harris.

He's not even the most well-known SJW (that would be Sarkeesian).

I think he would have been happy to be accepted into "old" New Atheism. But his attempt at a serious book to cement his place there was an utter failure, and had to have been depressing and humiliating for him. Given the popular perception of New Atheism as a haven for right-wingers, perhaps he thought he could parlay his mild Democratic politics into a new image for atheism. But, of course, his attempt at creating a new media phenomenon, A+, was even more of an utter failure, especially as he seemed to have no actual clue just how loony his newfound leftist allies were before he tied his name and future up with them. It's no wonder he's so increasingly bitter.

[Tribble]

More to the point, someone's pretty damned jealous of being left out of the picture.

Myers was about to become "someone" in the atheist movement, but he decided he didn't just want to be "someone", he wanted to be the public face of the "good Atheists". He wanted to replace Dawkins as one of the most known atheist in the world. He probably believed that if he catered to the feminists he would have been favorably compared to the other Horsemen.

But it all crashed and burned. He's followed only by a small crowd of one or two hundred of zealots, who fight to be the most self-righteous of them all. His name is unknown to the general public, while people still talk a lot about Dawkins or Sam Harris.

He's not even the most well-known SJW (that would be Sarkeesian).

Yes to both. But he's a toxic little fucker who can still wreak havoc and, therefore, must be opposed.

[piero]

Interesting article on Sam Harris's blog: On the mechanics of defamation

[AnonymousCowherd]

In local news;

You can see how much effort Australian Skeptics is putting into La Watson's upcoming apearance at their National Convention when they post this blurb about her:

Rebecca Watson leads a team of skeptical female activists at Skepchick and appears regularly on the Curiosity Aroused* podcast, the weekly Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe podcast, and the Little Atoms** radio show. She currently lives in London*** but travels around the world delivering entertaining talks on science, atheism, feminism and skepticism. There is currently an asteroid**** orbiting the sun with her name on it.

*defunct after pilot
** so long ago it is no longer noted anywhere on their site
*** Nope
**** Discovered by someone from the appropriately named "Junk Bond Observatory". Returns every 2408 days, or about as frequently as she does a new Patreon video.

Still, the organisers have to be careful. Their own policy states that:

* Anything that is illegal according to the laws of the Commonwealth of Australia or the State of NSW is forbidden at the Convention.

Profiting from false or misleading information is a crime, eh. And we wouldn't want you to think that the Conference somehow permits things that the law doesn't.

Also, it's just as well PZ isn't coming because:

NSW CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 249K
Blackmail offence
249K Blackmail offence
(1) A person who makes any unwarranted demand with menaces:
(a) with the intention of obtaining a gain or of causing a loss, or
(b) with the intention of influencing the exercise of a public duty,
is guilty of an offence.
Maximum penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years.
(2) A person is guilty of an offence against this subsection if the person commits an offence against subsection (1) by an accusation, or a threatened accusation, that a person has committed a serious indictable offence.
Maximum penalty: Imprisonment for 14 years.

You hear that Nugget? Stop harbouring rapists and stop them talking about me on your site. Or else...

[katamari Damassi]

Yes to both. But he's a toxic little fucker who can still wreak havoc and, therefore, must be opposed.

Oppose by ridicule, which is what's mostly happening already. The problem with getting too upset about anyone of these assholes is that there's an infinite supply of them. In a few short years Myers' heart will explode during one of his ragefests. It's likely that before that happens, Twatson will take a drunken tumble down some stairs. They will instantly be replaced by someone as bad.

BTW-I kind of like Sarkeesian. She's conning SJWs out their money and the gaming industry isn't going to do anything that might interfere with their profits.

[Pitchguest]

An bearded douche-like authoritarian takes umbrage over an image with its message:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 00x280.jpg

Really? They’re just “right”? On everything? Yeesh. That’s an appallingly stupid image.

That's right, on everything, including on everything that they say contrary to each other.

Fuckwit.

Can we also purge the hero-worshipping authoritarianism from this movement?

Don't know, we don't seem able to get rid of your authoritarian cult so far.

More to the point, someone's pretty damned jealous of being left out of the picture.

There's only one word that can sum up the bearded twit's reaction to that picture: SALTY! :dance:

On the other hand, most of them are not who I would represent being objectively "right." Then again, who's "worshipping"?

I happen to think Hitchens was a damn good polemic, whose opinion on Iraq war was really the only issue I didn't see eye to eye. (Though I do understand why he felt that way given his prior history witnessing first hand the horror Saddam Hussein had wrought and given he'd spent some time with Iraqi insurgents.) Harris is, as far as I know, pro-torture and has, to my knowledge, cited the oft spoken "time bomb scenario" to defend his position. Torture is wrong, both from an ethical and moral standpoint and on the basis that it (objectively speaking) doesn't work. Maher is a Zionist and Ali justified the mass murder of Breivik by saying he basically had no choice (also lying about pretty much everything she said happened in her book 'Infidel').

Having said that, most of them have a reputation for at least looking for the facts first and then opining and not the other way around - which is more than I can say for the FtB clique.

[JayTeeAitch]

Still yet other news:




[youtube]2ZyC8ya_GvU[/youtube]

I that Aussie bloke being serious? He seems to be going a bit mental on twitter:

I'm not lying. And he stated it by criticising all Muslims. He's a closet racist warmonger Jew.

Click on '9:29 AM - 12 Oct 2014' to read his tweets in this thread:

[windy]

An bearded douche-like authoritarian takes umbrage over an image with its message:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... 00x280.jpg

Really? They’re just “right”? On everything? Yeesh. That’s an appallingly stupid image.

Fixed that for him:

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(209.79 KiB) Downloaded 277 times

[Matt Cavanaugh]

On a lighter note... I felt I had to apologise for my recent moral lapses on Twitter.

Let their days be full of the joy and love they deserve.

:clap:

[Eucliewoo]

On a lighter note... I felt I had to apologise for my recent moral lapses on Twitter.

Let their days be full of the joy and love they deserve.

:lol: That made me snicker...

[Guest]

I that Aussie bloke being serious? He seems to be going a bit mental on twitter:

I'm not lying. And he stated it by criticising all Muslims. He's a closet racist warmonger Jew.

the harris comment is to the authentic guy, but this tweet is from an impostor account using a capital i to fake a lower case L

https://twitter.com/cjwerieman/ vs https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/

actually surprised there has not been more of that

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Brive, Opyt --

Thanks for the Twitter documentation.

Looks as if PZ "tentacle rape fan" Myers is still avoiding taking on me directly, in favor of picking on the girl.

I'm not done with you, Little Paul.

[JayTeeAitch]

...

the harris comment is to the authentic guy, but this tweet is from an impostor account using a capital i to fake a lower case L

https://twitter.com/cjwerieman/ vs https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/

actually surprised there has not been more of that

Pffft, like I didn't know that :whistle: :oops:

[LurkerPerson]

http://www.d-intl.com/2014/09/10/in-swe ... s/?lang=en

Has this been posted about already?
The endgame is genuinely terrifying.

I wouldn't necessarily hold that guy up as a martyr for free speech. He's been convicted before, among other things for placing a canister marked "Zyklon B" outside a synagogue, and for a picture showing three black men (who are publicly known, one was the victim of attempted murder and another the leader of some organization) in nooses. His "art" skirts the edges of actual threats. I believe that noose picture was also among the nine which were at issue this last time. And reading about it, he was unable to explain to the court's satisfaction what his actual intent with the pictures were. Funnily enough, intent could have actually been magic. A sparkly magic get out of jail free card.

Really? Seems relatively clear to me:

"But what about Yusupha Sallah, the man who was beaten up and almost thrown from a bridge in the Malmö district of Kroksbäck? Was it really necessary to include his picture on the poster depicting three blacks hanging from a bridge and with the caption: ”Hang on Afrophobians”?

– Yes, it was necessary. It wasn’t about him at all. The thing was that this ugly attack was immediately labeled a racist hate crime committed by whites. Momodou Jallow went straight to the media and condemned white Swedish racists but as soon as it became clear that the perpetrators were Kurds, the entire debate vanished.

– As a matter of fact, Yusupha Sallah hadn’t even seen the picture before the police called him and informed him that he was offended. My picture was a kick in the butt of the politically correct and certainly not an encouragement to lynch blacks. It is completely insane to believe otherwise."

But no, you're right. Treating this guy worse than they treat rapists and murderers (as long as they're POC of course) is totally normal, and not a symptom of how fucked up Sweden has become. Truly his stuff is verbotten and must be consigned to the righteous flames, to purify it of it's evil white patriarchal taint.
ps: fuck Sweden, I can't wait until that pos country fucking collapses under the weight of it's own naive, unrealistic ideology. Will be a wake-up call for the rest of Europe.

[Really?]

True.

Look. I've calmed down. I never had a desire to doxx anyone in direct retribution to this latest affray and threats of retaliation are not the way to go. I'm happy for FtB to come to their own commonsense decision as to what constitues fair play. Meh. I'll read some books and watch crap TV for a week or two.

Sorry for the disturbance.

Here's the problem. How the fuck do you fight against their bullshit when they have no rules of engagement and simply aren't consistent in their thought?

Vacula posts easily and publicly accessible information about Surly Amy...they attack Vacula as a doxxer.
PZ/Skepchick post hard-to-find info about you-know-who...it's all good.
PZ shoots off accusations of serial rape against Shermer on the basis of vague anecdotes...FTB loves it.
PZ receives C&D letter...he fucking ignores it.
After asking why accused men never defend themselves, PZ uses Radford's defense of himself as evidence of proof of the claims.

Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:

Fight his fire with a little more fire

or

Abandon the idea that we'll actually accomplish anything and go for lulz alone.

[John D]

True.

Look. I've calmed down. I never had a desire to doxx anyone in direct retribution to this latest affray and threats of retaliation are not the way to go. I'm happy for FtB to come to their own commonsense decision as to what constitues fair play. Meh. I'll read some books and watch crap TV for a week or two.

Sorry for the disturbance.

Here's the problem. How the fuck do you fight against their bullshit when they have no rules of engagement and simply aren't consistent in their thought?

Vacula posts easily and publicly accessible information about Surly Amy...they attack Vacula as a doxxer.
PZ/Skepchick post hard-to-find info about you-know-who...it's all good.
PZ shoots off accusations of serial rape against Shermer on the basis of vague anecdotes...FTB loves it.
PZ receives C&D letter...he fucking ignores it.
After asking why accused men never defend themselves, PZ uses Radford's defense of himself as evidence of proof of the claims.

Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:

Fight his fire with a little more fire

or

Abandon the idea that we'll actually accomplish anything and go for lulz alone.

False dichotomy. I use a more patient approach. The slymepit is a great place to mock, berate, abuse and otherwise grumble about the SJW infection. It is a known source for material the mocks those who deserve it. If the pit keeps this up it will serve a useful and humorous purpose.

I have said this before, but I will say it again. When I criticize the SJWs on facebook or email or blogs where I am trying to "convert" others I always use my real identity. I feel that I should be able to give my honest opinion. I do not use exaggeration or hyperbole in this case. I just state the facts and then remind others to not support the SJWs with any clicks. I cannot be doxed for this because I am saying something that is easy to defend, and I give my ID.

I think this is more effective than harrasing the SJWs using a protected identity. Posting stuff on the slymepit is not harassment in my opinion. Things that are posted here are just for the audience here. We do not send our stuff to their twitter feeds and emails and facebook.

So, using this method we an make credible claims using our real names.... and still have lulz on the pit. The world doesn't change very quickly. It is unrealistic to think we can do some kind of slam dunk against Watson or PZ. They have too much history where people see them as good guys. Bit by bit they are showing others how embarrassing and idiotic they are.

[Pogsurf]

True.

Look. I've calmed down. I never had a desire to doxx anyone in direct retribution to this latest affray and threats of retaliation are not the way to go. I'm happy for FtB to come to their own commonsense decision as to what constitues fair play. Meh. I'll read some books and watch crap TV for a week or two.

Sorry for the disturbance.

Here's the problem. How the fuck do you fight against their bullshit when they have no rules of engagement and simply aren't consistent in their thought?

Vacula posts easily and publicly accessible information about Surly Amy...they attack Vacula as a doxxer.
PZ/Skepchick post hard-to-find info about you-know-who...it's all good.
PZ shoots off accusations of serial rape against Shermer on the basis of vague anecdotes...FTB loves it.
PZ receives C&D letter...he fucking ignores it.
After asking why accused men never defend themselves, PZ uses Radford's defense of himself as evidence of proof of the claims.

Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:

Fight his fire with a little more fire

or

Abandon the idea that we'll actually accomplish anything and go for lulz alone.

False dichotomy, anyone?

[Aneris]

Has anyone an idea about PZ Myers and imbeciles and their "rape culture" idea? PZ Myers and gang share Anita Sarkeesian with enthusiasm, yet next door Greta Christina promotes her rape pornography, which is explicitly described as such on her very own page at FTB.

[quote="Greta Christina's official "Bending" Page @FTB"]Greta Christina’s erotic stories are written to get you hard and wet — and to change the ways you think about sex. Be forewarned — stuff happens here that’s borderline consensual. Or not at all consensual. These are dirty, kinky stories about shame, about pain, helplessness and danger, reckless behavior and bad, bad ideas….[/quote]

This alone is interesting. She wants people to get sexual aroused by teaching them different things about sex, which is in part not consensual, i.e. rape. I don't even have to switch FTB distortion mode on to see that this can be seen as an endorsement of rape or rape culture. Why would anyone positively "change" (by making them "hard and wet") how people perceive rape ( "not at all consensual", " helplessness and danger, reckless behavior").

You couldn't make it up.

[feathers]

<anecdotal mode> I see gay guys with rat dogs faaaaarrrrr more than with cats. Although that is primarily from public observation where walking rat dogs if far more likely than walking felines.

That's because rat dogs are No Real Dogs. They're more like... rats. And rats are only 1 letter away from...

[dog puke]

Has anyone an idea about PZ Myers and imbeciles and their "rape culture" idea? PZ Myers and gang share Anita Sarkeesian with enthusiasm, yet next door Greta Christina promotes her rape pornography, which is explicitly described as such on her very own page at FTB.

[quote="Greta Christina's official "Bending" Page @FTB"]Greta Christina’s erotic stories are written to get you hard and wet — and to change the ways you think about sex. Be forewarned — stuff happens here that’s borderline consensual. Or not at all consensual. These are dirty, kinky stories about shame, about pain, helplessness and danger, reckless behavior and bad, bad ideas….

This alone is interesting. She wants people to get sexual aroused by teaching them different things about sex, which is in part not consensual, i.e. rape. I don't even have to switch FTB distortion mode on to see that this can be seen as an endorsement of rape or rape culture. Why would anyone positively "change" (by making them "hard and wet") how people perceive rape ( "not at all consensual", " helplessness and danger, reckless behavior").

You couldn't make it up.[/quote]

You couldn't make it up is right, truth is stranger than fiction. And it is entirely consistent with the rest of their behaviour.

[bovarchist]

How sad is it that even Jamie Kilstein can produce a book, while Myers can only cobble together a collection of blog posts?

[fuzzy]

False dichotomy. I use a more patient approach. The slymepit is a great place to mock, berate, abuse and otherwise grumble about the SJW infection. It is a known source for material the mocks those who deserve it. If the pit keeps this up it will serve a useful and humorous purpose.

I have said this before, but I will say it again. When I criticize the SJWs on facebook or email or blogs where I am trying to "convert" others I always use my real identity. I feel that I should be able to give my honest opinion. I do not use exaggeration or hyperbole in this case. I just state the facts and then remind others to not support the SJWs with any clicks. I cannot be doxed for this because I am saying something that is easy to defend, and I give my ID.

I think this is more effective than harrasing the SJWs using a protected identity. Posting stuff on the slymepit is not harassment in my opinion. Things that are posted here are just for the audience here. We do not send our stuff to their twitter feeds and emails and facebook.

So, using this method we an make credible claims using our real names.... and still have lulz on the pit. The world doesn't change very quickly. It is unrealistic to think we can do some kind of slam dunk against Watson or PZ. They have too much history where people see them as good guys. Bit by bit they are showing others how embarrassing and idiotic they are.

I'm coming to the same cuntclusion. Would have to clean up my language a bit tho.

[bovarchist]

On a lighter note... I felt I had to apologise for my recent moral lapses on Twitter.

Let their days be full of the joy and love they deserve.

I thought it was career prostitutes who had the cranial bumpage. :rimshot:

[JacquesCuze]

True.

Look. I've calmed down. I never had a desire to doxx anyone in direct retribution to this latest affray and threats of retaliation are not the way to go. I'm happy for FtB to come to their own commonsense decision as to what constitues fair play. Meh. I'll read some books and watch crap TV for a week or two.

Sorry for the disturbance.

Here's the problem. How the fuck do you fight against their bullshit when they have no rules of engagement and simply aren't consistent in their thought?

Vacula posts easily and publicly accessible information about Surly Amy...they attack Vacula as a doxxer.
PZ/Skepchick post hard-to-find info about you-know-who...it's all good.
PZ shoots off accusations of serial rape against Shermer on the basis of vague anecdotes...FTB loves it.
PZ receives C&D letter...he fucking ignores it.
After asking why accused men never defend themselves, PZ uses Radford's defense of himself as evidence of proof of the claims.

Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:

Fight his fire with a little more fire

or

Abandon the idea that we'll actually accomplish anything and go for lulz alone.

False dichotomy. I use a more patient approach. The slymepit is a great place to mock, berate, abuse and otherwise grumble about the SJW infection. It is a known source for material the mocks those who deserve it. If the pit keeps this up it will serve a useful and humorous purpose.

I have said this before, but I will say it again. When I criticize the SJWs on facebook or email or blogs where I am trying to "convert" others I always use my real identity. I feel that I should be able to give my honest opinion. I do not use exaggeration or hyperbole in this case. I just state the facts and then remind others to not support the SJWs with any clicks. I cannot be doxed for this because I am saying something that is easy to defend, and I give my ID.

I think this is more effective than harrasing the SJWs using a protected identity. Posting stuff on the slymepit is not harassment in my opinion. Things that are posted here are just for the audience here. We do not send our stuff to their twitter feeds and emails and facebook.

So, using this method we an make credible claims using our real names.... and still have lulz on the pit. The world doesn't change very quickly. It is unrealistic to think we can do some kind of slam dunk against Watson or PZ. They have too much history where people see them as good guys. Bit by bit they are showing others how embarrassing and idiotic they are.

The power of real names over nyms is mostly huge.

I assume I will be doxed, and it's certainly been threatened (to contact employers, police, judge of my divorce, CPS, ...), if not by Marcotte than by her readers at Pandagon, and by readers at Feministing, and that was truly for the sole crime of accurately and even neutrally describing what I encountered in family court. And that was using my true first name.

And in these cases the doxing was truly to get me fired and harm my legal status with my daughters (and their relatives).

But not just because I assume I will be doxed, I actually am okay with, if not proud of, 98% of what I post being revealed.

I agree though, using real life names to make our statements is just huge, but let's also recognize that many people truly cannot do that out of fear for their job as well as future employment, or fear of legal issues worse than mine, or even fear of their life.

The EFF (which is also a SJW hangout these days) still recognizes the importance of anonymity.
https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity <-- Great essay

True names are powerful, but being anonymous or pseudonymous does not mean that all conversations go to shit and True names are sadly not an awesome shield for anyone on any side.

[NoGodsEver]

Imagine a picture of a group of known feminists with the same caption as the atheist one. The implication clearly being that the thing they are all right about feminist issues, as the implication in the other picture is clearly that they are all right about the existence of god, and only that. Do you think Peezus would open his trap in the same way, or would he fall into line as part of the amen corner for that particular issue. What a cunt known tentacle rape enthusiast PZ Myers of University of Minnesota Morris is.

[Aneris]

It is trivially easy to pretend one uses a real name see Stephanie Zvan. And coming up with some image is simple, too, even without photoshop. People are too guillible. It is also inherently unfair. Robert Smith is automatically more safe than Ghoulani Horugolud-Middlethorpe.

[SkepticalCat]

Michael Nugent has another new post up:http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... n-my-blog/

A lengthy article about false statements made by tentacle rape enthusiast and liar PZ Myers.

[bhoytony]

It is trivially easy to pretend one uses a real name see Stephanie Zvan. And coming up with some image is simple, too, even without photoshop. People are too guillible. It is also inherently unfair. Robert Smith is automatically more safe than Ghoulani Horugolud-Middlethorpe.

http://i.imgur.com/RJfH42b.png

[Za-zen]

Knew it was only a matter of time, before the pressure of #banmykeru caused a crumple.

[free thoughtpolice]

Really wrote:

Here's the problem. How the fuck do you fight against their bullshit when they have no rules of engagement and simply aren't consistent in their thought?

It's a piss off for sure, but here's the thing; if we let our anger get the better of us and do something stupid and unethical then you have handed them a victory. The old maxim of fighting fire with fire only works when a controlled burn is used to remove a fuel force, allowing the fire to burn out. I does not mean doing something rash and just adding more fuel to the fire.
Let them continue to do the stupid things they do and point it out when they do. Ridiculing them makes them angry and do things that make their stupidity even more obvious to the public. They are losing the battle, there is no need to do something rash and stoop to their level.
I'm not saying don't do nothing, let's just not go off half cocked (or for the ladies half cunted).

[Za-zen]

Has anyone an idea about PZ Myers and imbeciles and their "rape culture" idea? PZ Myers and gang share Anita Sarkeesian with enthusiasm, yet next door Greta Christina promotes her rape pornography, which is explicitly described as such on her very own page at FTB.

[quote="Greta Christina's official "Bending" Page @FTB"]Greta Christina’s erotic stories are written to get you hard and wet — and to change the ways you think about sex. Be forewarned — stuff happens here that’s borderline consensual. Or not at all consensual. These are dirty, kinky stories about shame, about pain, helplessness and danger, reckless behavior and bad, bad ideas….

This alone is interesting. She wants people to get sexual aroused by teaching them different things about sex, which is in part not consensual, i.e. rape. I don't even have to switch FTB distortion mode on to see that this can be seen as an endorsement of rape or rape culture. Why would anyone positively "change" (by making them "hard and wet") how people perceive rape ( "not at all consensual", " helplessness and danger, reckless behavior").

You couldn't make it up.[/quote]

You don't need to make it up, the cognitive dissonance required of these loons to rationalise their paradoxes, contradictions, and plain nonsense has been evidenced beyond question.

[bovarchist]

Whoa, Nugent just won't let up, will he? This is fun.

[Ericb]

Michael Nugent has another new post up:http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... n-my-blog/

A lengthy article about false statements made by tentacle rape enthusiast and liar PZ Myers.

I think that Nugent has sealed off Stalingrad at this point.

[feathers]

In other news:
http://www.viennatimes.at/news/General_ ... _Come_Home

But security service insiders have told Austrian media that the girls have somehow managed to contact their families to say they have had enough, and want to come home.

Since when does the Bundesverfassungsschutz blab about this sort of things? Because

However they warn that there is almost now no chance that they will be able to leave their new lives after they became internationally famous and the images were shared all round the world.

No, but their chances would definitely have been better if you had kept your waffles shut, "secret" service.

[Za-zen]

Michael Nugent has another new post up:http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... n-my-blog/

A lengthy article about false statements made by tentacle rape enthusiast and liar PZ Myers.

Michael is doing exactly what is needed to nail these wankers. Ignore the smoke screens and diversions they throw at you to tangle you in a maze of reeds, and stay on point with the pertinent questions.though it could be justifiably said that the "blog is full of rapists" bullshit, is in itself a diversion.

[feathers]

No the cat stereotype is pretty accurate. There pets you can leave on their own while you spend the night at a trick's house or go to Provincetown for a week. Right now it looks like gay singles who own dogs gravitate to French Bulldogs and Boston Terriers. Couples get labs.

I sure as hell don't hope they leave those dogs alone for a week. Small and stupid though they may be, dogs are highly social animals, even rat dogs.

[Nec_V20]

True.

Look. I've calmed down. I never had a desire to doxx anyone in direct retribution to this latest affray and threats of retaliation are not the way to go. I'm happy for FtB to come to their own commonsense decision as to what constitues fair play. Meh. I'll read some books and watch crap TV for a week or two.

Sorry for the disturbance.

Here's the problem. How the fuck do you fight against their bullshit when they have no rules of engagement and simply aren't consistent in their thought?

Vacula posts easily and publicly accessible information about Surly Amy...they attack Vacula as a doxxer.
PZ/Skepchick post hard-to-find info about you-know-who...it's all good.
PZ shoots off accusations of serial rape against Shermer on the basis of vague anecdotes...FTB loves it.
PZ receives C&D letter...he fucking ignores it.
After asking why accused men never defend themselves, PZ uses Radford's defense of himself as evidence of proof of the claims.

Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:

Fight his fire with a little more fire

or

Abandon the idea that we'll actually accomplish anything and go for lulz alone.

False dichotomy. I use a more patient approach. The slymepit is a great place to mock, berate, abuse and otherwise grumble about the SJW infection. It is a known source for material the mocks those who deserve it. If the pit keeps this up it will serve a useful and humorous purpose.

I have said this before, but I will say it again. When I criticize the SJWs on facebook or email or blogs where I am trying to "convert" others I always use my real identity. I feel that I should be able to give my honest opinion. I do not use exaggeration or hyperbole in this case. I just state the facts and then remind others to not support the SJWs with any clicks. I cannot be doxed for this because I am saying something that is easy to defend, and I give my ID.

I think this is more effective than harrasing the SJWs using a protected identity. Posting stuff on the slymepit is not harassment in my opinion. Things that are posted here are just for the audience here. We do not send our stuff to their twitter feeds and emails and facebook.

So, using this method we an make credible claims using our real names.... and still have lulz on the pit. The world doesn't change very quickly. It is unrealistic to think we can do some kind of slam dunk against Watson or PZ. They have too much history where people see them as good guys. Bit by bit they are showing others how embarrassing and idiotic they are.

There are a number of reasons why someone uses a nic. In my case it is very simple.

Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".

And let's face it, what is "real" about a name anyway? I certainly didn't choose it. I did however choose "Nec_V20" and that name says more about me than what you would consider to be "real".

[deLurch]

It is trivially easy to pretend one uses a real name see Stephanie Zvan. And coming up with some image is simple, too, even without photoshop. People are too guillible. It is also inherently unfair. Robert Smith is automatically more safe than Ghoulani Horugolud-Middlethorpe.

You mean like Zoe Quinn? I honestly don't understand why someone decides they need a new name if they are a game developer. Sure, I understand stage names for movie actors & radio personalities, ...but a game developer? Hell, maybe everyone needs a new stage name. Let's just rename everyone in IT just so that we are all cool & trendy.

[feralandproud]

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I thought these people believe half the shit they spew. There's a reason they don't comment on blogs that don't protect their little in-crowd; there's a reason they snipe and badger people on twitter, then run back to their dens and smirk and cackle with their fellows. It's because they're full of shit, and they know it.

I can already see tentacle rape porn enthusiast P.Z. Myers spinning this whole Nugent thing, pointing out that HE, being the bigger man, chose to ignore the petty, vindictive, rage-filled Irish atheists wild assertions.

I don't think it'll ever be enough for people like Dawkins, Harris, and Nugent to just wash their hands of these loons, they have to actively warn people away from them and their poison ideas. I don't necessarily endorse shunning, but...

[JayTeeAitch]

Has anyone heard of Cameron Carpenter, the organist? Is he playing a long game joke? I've had a bit of a search around and apparently this isn't a joke :shock: I implore everyone to watch this vid, it's bloody brilliant, especially his ridiculous shoes dangling down from the stool stabbing haphazardly at the pedals:

[youtube]jLzgFkouSmc[/youtube]

[Ericb]

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I thought these people believe half the shit they spew. There's a reason they don't comment on blogs that don't protect their little in-crowd; there's a reason they snipe and badger people on twitter, then run back to their dens and smirk and cackle with their fellows. It's because they're full of shit, and they know it.

I can already see tentacle rape porn enthusiast P.Z. Myers spinning this whole Nugent thing, pointing out that HE, being the bigger man, chose to ignore the petty, vindictive, rage-filled Irish atheists wild assertions.

I don't think it'll ever be enough for people like Dawkins, Harris, and Nugent to just wash their hands of these loons, they have to actively warn people away from them and their poison ideas. I don't necessarily endorse shunning, but...

I know satire is supposed to exaggerate an individual's personality flaws to a comic extent but at this point Clownfall's Herr Myers comes across as a much more likable fellow than the real PZ.

[BlueShiftRhino]

Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:

Let go of the number "two" and you'll see the problem with the last week or so.

[BlueShiftRhino]

False dichotomy.

Ninja'd

[katamari Damassi]

Michael Nugent has another new post up:http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... n-my-blog/

A lengthy article about false statements made by tentacle rape enthusiast and liar PZ Myers.

I think that Nugent has sealed off Stalingrad at this point.

I really liked his post on Islam. I'm surprised it's not garnering more comments.

[AndrewV69]

Why do you always find the missed edit right after you hit the post button... sigh

JUST USE THE FRIGGING EDIT BUTTON! WTF IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?

[katamari Damassi]

No the cat stereotype is pretty accurate. There pets you can leave on their own while you spend the night at a trick's house or go to Provincetown for a week. Right now it looks like gay singles who own dogs gravitate to French Bulldogs and Boston Terriers. Couples get labs.

I sure as hell don't hope they leave those dogs alone for a week. Small and stupid though they may be, dogs are highly social animals, even rat dogs.

Are you kidding? They dote on them like actual children. One of my friends cooks a bunch of meals and gives them to the kennel when he has to board his dog.

[piginthecity]

....Harris is, as far as I know, pro-torture and has, to my knowledge, cited the oft spoken "time bomb scenario" to defend his position. Torture is wrong, both from an ethical and moral standpoint and on the basis that it (objectively speaking) doesn't work....

It's the old 'use "as-far-as-I-know" as a justification for any old bollocks' ploy again !

I have read "The End of Faith", and what you'll find if you do is that Harris doesn't express any views which can be called pro-torture or would disagree with your statement that "torture is wrong".

What Harris did was to cite our commonly attitudes to torture vs people being killed as collateral damage in military operations as an example of what he termed a "moral illusion". These are akin to 'optical illusions', and the point is that the moral revulsion we feel in the two cases doesn't scale with the suffering and loss inflicted in each case. We are deeply repulsed by the idea of a party deliberately inflicting suffering on somebody under their power giving them no chance to escape, but less so at the idea of a party choosing a course of action which will only probably cause suffering and if so, to people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time, where the actual individuals who suffer are determined by 'fate' instead of deliberate choice, even though the actual amount of suffering might be much greater in the second case.

It's all about a comparison of the degree of moral revulsion against the amount of suffering and why they may be disproportionate.

Harris does not say "torture is right" and he also makes the point that torture is ineffective because people lie under torture. Far from wanting to argue that torture is a good thing, he expresses relief that the ineffectiveness of torture somewhat lets us and himself off the hook from having to go so against our moral sense.

It's a disquieting idea, to be sure, and not least because it causes us to distrust our moral intuitions, but it's not advocacy for torture, neither is it dangerous speech even if it perhaps breaks a taboo. He does not deserve for it to be cheaply mischaracterised by those who want to discredit him.

You don't have to make shit up in order to prove you're not a hero-worshipper !

[AndrewV69]

Yes to both. But he's a toxic little fucker who can still wreak havoc and, therefore, must be opposed.

Oppose by ridicule, which is what's mostly happening already. The problem with getting too upset about anyone of these assholes is that there's an infinite supply of them. In a few short years Myers' heart will explode during one of his ragefests. It's likely that before that happens, Twatson will take a drunken tumble down some stairs. They will instantly be replaced by someone as bad.

BTW-I kind of like Sarkeesian. She's conning SJWs out their money and the gaming industry isn't going to do anything that might interfere with their profits.

I am without shame. I totally stole that line.

[John D]

....Harris is, as far as I know, pro-torture and has, to my knowledge, cited the oft spoken "time bomb scenario" to defend his position. Torture is wrong, both from an ethical and moral standpoint and on the basis that it (objectively speaking) doesn't work....

I have read "The End of Faith", and what you'll find if you do is that Harris doesn't express any views which can be called pro-torture or would disagree with your statement that "torture is wrong".
<snip>
You don't have to make shit up in order to prove you're not a hero-worshipper !

I don't always agree with Harris... but he does make me think about some things differently and often with more clarity. I really enjoyed his short little book called "Lying."

[Michael J]

Apologies if this has already been posted:

[urlhttp://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-gamergat ... -sympathy/][/url]

[Michael J]

try again

http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-g ... sympathy/]

[James Caruthers]

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... on-my-blog

Nugent's post has received some attention already, but I'd like to point to it again. I think we should do what we can to spread this around.

IF you're of the mindset that PZ's various accusations and doxxing+calls for firing were a deflection from how badly Nugent was owning his ass, then you should especially take some time to spread this article around to various atheists, skeptics and interested parties.

This has been your daily Nugent shill post, thanks.

[Michael J]

try again

http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-g ... sympathy/]

I think I'll go back to bed

http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-g ... -sympathy/

[Git]

I'm straight and I adore kittehs as much as Prof. Ceiling Cat does.