Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#11401

I don't have anything new to say about Charlie Hebdo-the usual suspects have done a fine job of showing their willingness to apologize for Islam, their hatred of free speech, and their inability to understand satire or context. I also would like to commend Kirbmarc for his absolutely brilliant trolling yesterday with his 'Operation Avicenna." That was fucking epic.

On the subject of Avicenna, while I am not trying to beat a dead horse, the reactions of PZ and Tidybowl to this incident were very telling, and they reflected poorly upon their integrity and credibility. I banged out a blog post on this topic if anyone is interested.

http://theyetisroar.wordpress.com/2015/ ... -bloggers/

#11402

bovarchist wrote:
JacquesCuze wrote:
Is that even accurate French? The way I was taught, it would be #JeNeSuisPasCharlie

Why would anyone expect me to know French?

-- Jacques

#11403

free thoughtpolice wrote:Tigzy wrote:
There was a real problem, however - how did the surviving orcs and uruks of Mordor adapt to the modern world?
More evidence that Tolkein was a racist. Uruk was Gilgamesh's city and the source for the name of the modern country Iraq.

Nah. If the events narrated in Dungeons & Dragons 1st Edition are true (and why wouldn't they, if you can be a dragonkin trapped in a human body on Tumblr, then everything else must be real), then all the orcs and uruks became XP points for the humans to build the modern world.

#11404

Brive1987 wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:http://i.imgur.com/hhiL5dP.jpg
BOOYAH, BITCHES
:dance:
I'd like to be the meat in their sandwich.
:bjarte:

No need for mayo or any other sandwich sauce. They come with their own.

#11405

Your body isn't wrong, the diabetes you have is perfectly natural.

#11406

Brive1987 wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:http://i.imgur.com/hhiL5dP.jpg
BOOYAH, BITCHES
:dance:
I'd like to be the meat in their sandwich.
:bjarte:

More like the olive stuck on top.

#11407

Walter might have a penis long enough to get the job done. :think:

:whistle: Here's an interesting thought experience/math problem:

If the average length of a male penis is, I dunno, 5-odd inches (Walter skews the average way up, so factor him out) ...

And the typical vagina would like at least a few inches to actually penetrate (quite an assumption, I know)...

And then you calculate the mass of the two fine women pictured above...

And pair them with comparably-obese male partners (approximate BMI)...

What is the Minimum Penis Length (MPL) that Fat Guys A and B would need to both have in order to achieve a) any penetration at all, and b) 3-inch penetration?

Now I cannot remember exactly, but over a certain amount of weight, and increasing, reduces the Useable Penis Length UPL (different from Total Penis Length, TPL) by a solid inch. I can't remember what the number was. So, let us say that a man approximately as fat as either of the two naked women, even with an above-average penis, would lose perhaps 3 inches of useable length due to the flesh pad in front of his wangstick. BUT we must now also factor in the FUPA (Fat Upper Pubic Area) which develops in obese men and women, and compare with how far the stomachs of both the obese man and obese woman extend to the front.

If Woman A has a stomach which protrudes/overhangs sixteen inches, and the man has a stomach which overhangs fourteen inches, certain positions become difficult unless your name is Walter Ego.

As you may imagine, the combination effect of these various "curves" and rolls is to increase the minimum Useable Penis Length necessary on the part of the man to achieve penetration.

That is not to say sex is impossible, merely that PIV sex (also known as "rape" by Witchwind) is off the table.

I'm just starting to wonder what the minimum schlong size would have to be for Joe Schmoe to get it on with Tiffany Tumblrina. Of course there are alternate positions, but the size and girth of legs and FUPA will always be a concern. Perhaps someone could calculate this using an 8 inch penis and a BMI of, I dunno, 50. Can 'e get in? Then calculate down and find what the Minimum Common Penis is that can penetrate at BMI 50.

I hear a lot of talk about "smallfats" referring to people who are not 400 pounds, and BMI 50 is just a bit over 320 at 5'8'' IIRC. Not THAT fat for either tumblr or America. I see fatter tumblr feminists talking about all the sex they're having all the time. :think:

I probably offended you all but I'm out of my head sick with some bad infection and I find this subject strangely fascinating.

#11408

Evidently that magazine is not a joke.
https://nowtoronto.com/

Here is the press release for that magazine.
http://www.marketwired.com/press-releas ... 981440.htm

NOW Magazine is thrilled to announce our Love Your Body issue - hitting the streets today!

"We want to break away from the prevalence of negative New Year's resolutions (lose weight, diet, eat less) and support feeling good about the skin you're in," explains NOW fashion and design writer, Sabrina Maddeaux.

We've photographed 13 inspiring Canadians from all different fields - activism, stage, music, fashion, comedy - who bared (almost) all for a multi-page body-positive photo spread. The pictures are compelling, tasteful semi-nudes with strategically placed props or poses to cover up private bits. We included all shapes, sizes, genders, sexual orientations and more in this powerful and timely issue.

All the participants were also interviewed about their relationship with their own body, with the goal of exploring and celebrating a holistic approach to body image in 2015.

Without having read the magazine, I am going to go with a general idea of 'hey, having a positive attitude about your body is a good thing.' HOWEVER, saying that New Year's Eve resolutions of losing weight, dieting &/or eating less is a negative thing is full of shit unless you are underweight.

If your idea of getting by is trading tips like applying antiperspirant so your legs don't chaff due to excess body weight... well let's just say that you are not paying attention to the feedback your body is giving you.

#11409

As someone who's totally into fatties...

yeah I came.

#11410

Skep tickle wrote:
*snip*

"FranÃ§ais de souche" = from French stock; native-born & ethnically French

Source: (a tweet from @MiamR82 with the image I've copied above)

Sorry if I've been :ninja:

"FranÃ§ais de souche" is primarily used by the far-right and actual racists (a far-right website even uses it as its name). In return, it's been turned into "souchien" and/or "sous-chien" (lower than a dog) by the far left and the Beur community to refer to ethnic French.

It's like a very, very stupid ouroboros.

#11411

Not even trying, is she?

http://i.imgur.com/IeR3rPN.jpg

#11412

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:"FranÃ§ais de souche" is primarily used by the far-right and actual racists (a far-right website even uses it as its name). In return, it's been turned into "souchien" and/or "sous-chien" (lower than a dog) by the far left and the Beur community to refer to ethnic French.

Does 'beur' come from 'beurre'?

#11413

feathers wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:"FranÃ§ais de souche" is primarily used by the far-right and actual racists (a far-right website even uses it as its name). In return, it's been turned into "souchien" and/or "sous-chien" (lower than a dog) by the far left and the Beur community to refer to ethnic French.
Does 'beur' come from 'beurre'?

AFAIK it's Verlan for 'arabe'.

#11414

ROBOKiTTY wrote:
feathers wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:"FranÃ§ais de souche" is primarily used by the far-right and actual racists (a far-right website even uses it as its name). In return, it's been turned into "souchien" and/or "sous-chien" (lower than a dog) by the far left and the Beur community to refer to ethnic French.
Does 'beur' come from 'beurre'?
AFAIK it's Verlan for 'arabe'.

Correct, it's derived from the Verlan form of 'arabe'. Another one is the phonetic 'reubeu'.

#11415

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: Sorry if I've been :ninja:

"FranÃ§ais de souche" is primarily used by the far-right and actual racists (a far-right website even uses it as its name). In return, it's been turned into "souchien" and/or "sous-chien" (lower than a dog) by the far left and the Beur community to refer to ethnic French.

It's like a very, very stupid ouroboros.

Sounds like the idea of 'pure laine' in QuÃ©bec.

But really, the idea of an ethnically pure French ethnicity is as ludicrous as any brand of white nationalism. French stock is always as muttish as it gets: Celtic, Basque, German, Roman, Viking, English, and even the name of the country comes from a German tribe. The only thing that unites them is that it's sort of hard to tell them apart, but many Arabs and North Africans are white, too.

#11416

Not sure how a stray 'always' got in there.

#11417

So I just looked up fat people having sex and the third result was a picture of two fat people having sex, with the image notes as: "Is that from the read Svan/Laden sex tape" and the link is on freethoughtblogs

and I am like wot

#11418

ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: Sorry if I've been :ninja:

"FranÃ§ais de souche" is primarily used by the far-right and actual racists (a far-right website even uses it as its name). In return, it's been turned into "souchien" and/or "sous-chien" (lower than a dog) by the far left and the Beur community to refer to ethnic French.

It's like a very, very stupid ouroboros.
Sounds like the idea of 'pure laine' in QuÃ©bec.

But really, the idea of an ethnically pure French ethnicity is as ludicrous as any brand of white nationalism. French stock is always as muttish as it gets: Celtic, Basque, German, Roman, Viking, English, and even the name of the country comes from a German tribe. The only thing that unites them is that it's sort of hard to tell them apart, but many Arabs and North Africans are white, too.

Well yes, hence the use of the term mostly by racists and white power cretins. I'm of Italian origins and less white than a lot of Arabs I know. But SJWs would still consider me white and my (very white) Arab friends brown.

Logic, how does it work?

#11419

bovarchist wrote:
ROBOKiTTY wrote:[youtube]b2OcKQ_mbiQ[/youtube]
That...is incredibly sexist. The girl is just a passive object for the male to act upon.

Now if I had been in charge of that project, I'd have ended it with the boys refusing to slap her...and then she slaps the shit out of them. "Yeah, that's how that works, kid. Get used to it."

But that's why I can't have nice things. ;)

It IS incredibly sexist. It would have been a supremely stronger ad if they had done a joint venture with a man or a boy also present and they and whether the reaction to slap the two was different. The sad thing, though, is that I imagine hardline feminists would take that as proof of cowardice. The way they already excuse the absence of both is that boys are more privileged than girls, or not in anymore danger of being hit than girls, which is not just statistically wrong, but wrong in general.

Then again, they seem to teach their boys differently in Italy than over here. Saying, "you shouldn't hit girls" or "because she's pretty" or because the saying goes you shouldn't hit girls even with a flower. Even if it's a nice sentiment, I don't think even most feminists would agree with that assumption. Or they shouldn't, anyway. "Benevolent sexism" and all that. Better was when they said "I don't want to harm her", "I don't like violence", "Because it's bad" - that's what they should have gone for. The universal condemnation of violence. They could have edited the rest out. Oh well.

#11420

What will the "non" sayers tell the Pastor? They will say, "we are the ones coming for you".

#11421

James Caruthers wrote:https://nowtoronto.com/

It's real btw.

Real and vomit-inducing:

Will democracy die without free speech? Americaâ€™s founding fathers thought so, and enshrined that idea in a First Amendment that has become a religion in the U.S. Fortunately, Canada does not share a political culture with the United States. We have hate laws that grasp why speech can be damaging (see Joseph Goebbels, mentioned above), donâ€™t boast a multi-billion-dollar pornography industry that has a toxic effect on womenâ€™s social standing and sexuality in general, and have created a civil society that doesnâ€™t consider an abstract idea like free speech more important than developing respect for all its members.

I know that defenders of journalistic freedom are not going to put a bullet through my head. But I donâ€™t want to be pushed around by free speech fanatics any more than by Islamic militants.

#11422

piero wrote:Real and vomit-inducing:

Will democracy die without free speech? Americaâ€™s founding fathers thought so, and enshrined that idea in a First Amendment that has become a religion in the U.S. Fortunately, Canada does not share a political culture with the United States. We have hate laws that grasp why speech can be damaging (see Joseph Goebbels, mentioned above), donâ€™t boast a multi-billion-dollar pornography industry that has a toxic effect on womenâ€™s social standing and sexuality in general, and have created a civil society that doesnâ€™t consider an abstract idea like free speech more important than developing respect for all its members.

I know that defenders of journalistic freedom are not going to put a bullet through my head. But I donâ€™t want to be pushed around by free speech fanatics any more than by Islamic militants.

Fairly amusing that the tag line at the top of their website is "NOW | Think Free"

Their website is double plus good.

#11423

So it appears that the Lizard Squads DDOS network is comprised of hacked poorly secured home network routers.

Folks, if you haven't done so, I would strongly suggest making sure:
1. Your home router's firmware is up to date.
2. You are not using the factor default login ID & password
3. The password is at least somewhat complex. Include case change, a digit and a special character.

#11424

Sorry. Relevant article on the Lizard Squad DDOS analysis:

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/01/liza ... e-routers/

#11425

James Caruthers wrote:Walter might have a penis long enough to get the job done. :think:

:whistle: Here's an interesting thought experience/math problem:

If the average length of a male penis is, I dunno, 5-odd inches (Walter skews the average way up, so factor him out) ...

And the typical vagina would like at least a few inches to actually penetrate (quite an assumption, I know)...

And then you calculate the mass of the two fine women pictured above...

And pair them with comparably-obese male partners (approximate BMI)...

What is the Minimum Penis Length (MPL) that Fat Guys A and B would need to both have in order to achieve a) any penetration at all, and b) 3-inch penetration?

Now I cannot remember exactly, but over a certain amount of weight, and increasing, reduces the Useable Penis Length UPL (different from Total Penis Length, TPL) by a solid inch. I can't remember what the number was. So, let us say that a man approximately as fat as either of the two naked women, even with an above-average penis, would lose perhaps 3 inches of useable length due to the flesh pad in front of his wangstick. BUT we must now also factor in the FUPA (Fat Upper Pubic Area) which develops in obese men and women, and compare with how far the stomachs of both the obese man and obese woman extend to the front.

If Woman A has a stomach which protrudes/overhangs sixteen inches, and the man has a stomach which overhangs fourteen inches, certain positions become difficult unless your name is Walter Ego.

As you may imagine, the combination effect of these various "curves" and rolls is to increase the minimum Useable Penis Length necessary on the part of the man to achieve penetration.

That is not to say sex is impossible, merely that PIV sex (also known as "rape" by Witchwind) is off the table.

I'm just starting to wonder what the minimum schlong size would have to be for Joe Schmoe to get it on with Tiffany Tumblrina. Of course there are alternate positions, but the size and girth of legs and FUPA will always be a concern. Perhaps someone could calculate this using an 8 inch penis and a BMI of, I dunno, 50. Can 'e get in? Then calculate down and find what the Minimum Common Penis is that can penetrate at BMI 50.

I hear a lot of talk about "smallfats" referring to people who are not 400 pounds, and BMI 50 is just a bit over 320 at 5'8'' IIRC. Not THAT fat for either tumblr or America. I see fatter tumblr feminists talking about all the sex they're having all the time. :think:

I probably offended you all but I'm out of my head sick with some bad infection and I find this subject strangely fascinating.

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#11426

#coverupcharlie

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... LJdrod5TIU

No platform for racists!

#11427

Don't forget that PeeZus regards the Saudi Arabian monarchy as 'oppressed' and without 'privilege' even while they rule over a country that gives 1000 lashes to bloggers.

#11428

Hugo Rifkind jumps on the apologism train

#11429

Billie from Ockham wrote:Has anyone told the single jewish women that the Periodic Table has a He and a Xe, but no She? #Patriarchy

Happy Henry lit Ben's big candle, now on Fridays Ned nags Meg, Al sips Pepsi, Sue cleans Arthur's kitchen cabinet.

More hidden patriarchy!

#11430

rayshul wrote:So I just looked up fat people having sex and the third result was a picture of two fat people having sex, with the image notes as: "Is that from the read Svan/Laden sex tape" and the link is on freethoughtblogs

and I am like wot

They're slowly coming round.

#11431

piero wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:https://nowtoronto.com/

It's real btw.
Real and vomit-inducing:

Will democracy die without free speech? Americaâ€™s founding fathers thought so, and enshrined that idea in a First Amendment that has become a religion in the U.S. Fortunately, Canada does not share a political culture with the United States. We have hate laws that grasp why speech can be damaging (see Joseph Goebbels, mentioned above), donâ€™t boast a multi-billion-dollar pornography industry that has a toxic effect on womenâ€™s social standing and sexuality in general, and have created a civil society that doesnâ€™t consider an abstract idea like free speech more important than developing respect for all its members.

I know that defenders of journalistic freedom are not going to put a bullet through my head. But I donâ€™t want to be pushed around by free speech fanatics any more than by Islamic militants.

Susan G Cole seems to be rather sex-negative with her anti-pornography stance. Back in the 80s, I went to a workshop led by her and another woman (I think it was her fellow activist, Gay Bell, but I'm not sure). It was about something to do with reclaiming 'bad' types of sex in a manner that embraced equality (paraphrased because crappy memory x 30 years ago). We broke into groups and were supposed to come up with some good idea along those lines. I just shut up and let the others talk, while wishing I wasn't there. I had expected a talk or lecture, not having to brainstorm some sort of equality porn. At the end of it, Susan shared one group's idea, and it seemed that everyone liked it the best but figured it wasn't perfect yet (you think?).

The idea was this. Eye-rollingly silly, they envisioned an equality way of doing S&M or bondage or whatever. Two women, each hanging from the ceiling in bondage, would (magically?) control each other, both being both master and slave at the same time. I was just left thinking, well, wouldn't that only work if they were both able to enjoy both sides of that coin?

#11432

piero wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:https://nowtoronto.com/

It's real btw.
Real and vomit-inducing:

(see Joseph Goebbels, mentioned above), donâ€™t boast a multi-billion-dollar pornography industry that has a toxic effect on womenâ€™s social standing and sexuality in general, and have created a civil society that doesnâ€™t consider an abstract idea like free speech more important than developing respect for all its members.

I know that defenders of journalistic freedom are not going to put a bullet through my head. But I donâ€™t want to be pushed around by free speech fanatics any more than by Islamic militants.

Mentions propaganda being harmful (via Godwin), then propagandizes.

#11433

Googling Gay Bell, I came across this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_Or ... of_Toronto

The Lesbian Centre at 342 Jarvis closed May 1, 1980.[13] Historian Becki Ross refers to the factors leading to the organization's closure as "multiple and complex" and notes that they included political differences, fragmented membership, volunteer burn-out, inflated expectations, lost organizational focus and changing political climate.[14]
After the closure of the centre, L.O.O.T.'s telephone peer counselling functions were taken over by the Lesbian Phone Line, who continued to offer this service in the city until 1984.[15]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Phone Line! What a fucking disaster. I volunteered from around 82 or 83 until 85. Their note of it closing in 84 is wrong - we only moved to a different location, didn't close until a bit later, 85 or 86.

None of us had training in counselling. Most of us were separatist feminists who were hoping to recruit to feminism, and/or find new lovers, via the phone line and inviting them to a weekly support group at a downtown community center (). The most facepalming thing that happened on a regular basis, was that we would determine that a woman's voice might be a little deep (although we weren't sure and would discuss it in whispers while the person waited, so not very deep), and then we'd just decide it must be an evil man, and then that person would get told that we really know that they are a male trying to get off on talking about lesbianism. We'd give them a outraged shoutdown and hang up on them. Looking back, I hope none of them were really women in need of emotional support or suicidal in actual need of a lesbian support line, because we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. We thought highly of ourselves though, for providing what we thought was a wonderful service to the ~~women~~ wimmin of Toronto.

#11434

Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!

#11435

#11436

Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!

I thought it was a lesbian secret symbol, rather like a masonic handshake.

#11437

Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!

Haha, excellent Freudian overtones too :)

#11438

Not very secret though, is it?

#11439

screwtape wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!
I thought it was a lesbian secret symbol, rather like a masonic handshake.

Sulman wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!
Haha, excellent Freudian overtones too :)

twocunts wrote:Not very secret though, is it?

I'm in trouble now. The only secret of the () club is to never talk about the () club. Pussy's out of the bag.

#11440

So I was watching a movie last night, and I think I finally found a solution for the deep rifts.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462200/

#11441

A pretty good article on recent terror attacks in France, and free-speech:

Fre Speech" Putting Our Own House in Order

The author also points out the climate of censorship on university campuses, which are becoming hyper-PC, with tiny "free-speech" zones.

In addition, itâ€™s long past time to dismantle the witless university speech codes championed by feminists, gay right advocates, identity-politics mavensâ€”and even the Obama administration.

Incidentally, has any one seen any university publications or student groups condemn these attacks? As modern academia is infested with SJWs, there heads must be exploding with the cognitive dissonance.

#11442

screwtape wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!
I thought it was a lesbian secret symbol, rather like a masonic handshake.

It does look like a yoni, indeed. Somewhat apropos of which, I've seen speculation that the christian fish symbol (ichtus) is derived from an ancient hindu symbol for the yoni. Just turn your head 90 degrees:

http://bumperwars.net/files/jesus-fish-cross.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9_HJh-oiBN8/T ... apture.JPG

I'm not certain if this relation has been proven, but from now those christian bumper stickers will never be the same.

#11443

feathers wrote:
screwtape wrote:I thought it was a lesbian secret symbol, rather like a masonic handshake.
It does look like a yoni, indeed. Somewhat apropos of which, I've seen speculation that the christian fish symbol (ichtus) is derived from an ancient hindu symbol for the yoni. Just turn your head 90 degrees:

http://bumperwars.net/files/jesus-fish-cross.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9_HJh-oiBN8/T ... apture.JPG

I'm not certain if this relation has been proven, but from now those christian bumper stickers will never be the same.

That picture's reference to a worldwide worship of a Great Mother Goddess sounds like a typical feminist's remake of religious history. In the 80s every good feminist believed that 5000 years ago, men took over from the previous peaceful, goddess worshiping matriarchy with their evil patriarchal ways (and evil meat eating also took over from peaceful veganism depending on who you asked back then). Female superiority was good whereas male superiority was bad. No one seemed to consider that BOTH types of superiority might be bad.

As far as I know, there's not any evidence of a worldwide peaceful/vegan origin to human history that ended around 3000 BCE, matriarchal or otherwise. Feminists believe their own lies though. I sure did back when I was one. I never questioned any stat or claim as long as they backed up my feminist assumptions.

#11444

Scented Nectar wrote:That picture's reference to a worldwide worship of a Great Mother Goddess sounds like a typical feminist's remake of religious history. In the 80s every good feminist believed that 5000 years ago, men took over from the previous peaceful, goddess worshiping matriarchy with their evil patriarchal ways (and evil meat eating also took over from peaceful veganism depending on who you asked back then). Female superiority was good whereas male superiority was bad. No one seemed to consider that BOTH types of superiority might be bad.

As far as I know, there's not any evidence of a worldwide peaceful/vegan origin to human history that ended around 3000 BCE, matriarchal or otherwise. Feminists believe their own lies though. I sure did back when I was one. I never questioned any stat or claim as long as they backed up my feminist assumptions.

If you or anyone else is interested, in her series of lectures on Classical Mythology, Elizabeth Vandiver takes a hatchet to the "great mother goddess" theory and draws a parallel with someone from a hypothetical future looking at Western art without any context and coming to the conclusion that the countless images of the Madonna and child represented a mother goddess religion.

#11445

Scented Nectar wrote:As far as I know, there's not any evidence of a worldwide peaceful/vegan origin to human history that ended around 3000 BCE, matriarchal or otherwise.

Well our teeth alone are proof we are not descendants of some great vegan empire.

#11446

deLurch wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:As far as I know, there's not any evidence of a worldwide peaceful/vegan origin to human history that ended around 3000 BCE, matriarchal or otherwise.
Well our teeth alone are proof we are not descendants of some great vegan empire.

Yeah, they'd have died out in pretty short order from B-12 deficiencies.

#11447

#11448

Com gets out his micropenis.

#11449

Slymepit challenge. Find two images that PZ has posted that makes him a racists.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/wp-c ... 9-mo1.jpeg

So what do you mean by hosting this image, Myers? Do you mean that all Muslims are bomb-throwing terrorists?

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/wp-c ... a-mo3.jpeg

And what about this one? Yet another example of the disgusting racist and Islamophobic assumption that Islam justifies pedophilia.

The c-word has had a long time to evolve a separate meaning, and the two meanings are so divergent now that it's arguable whether it really is one polysemous word or two homophones by now. Phonosemantically and pragmatically, there may be some colouring still so that the connotation of one meaning potentially blends into the other, but overall, I'd argue the c-word really has split into two homophones, such that even if someone were to call a woman a c-word, that alone would not be enough to demonstrate sexism.

The n-word is different. It has a shorter history, much of it racially charged. It hasn't had enough time to acquire secondary meanings that are bleached of all racial connotations (unlike the c-word, which as a term of address really is free of all connotations of its other meaning). Context is indeed important in determining whether its usage is acceptable and free from racism, but I consider the threshold more restricted than for the c-word.

For a non-black person to refer to someone unironically using the n-word--I'd consider that racist; the degree depends on the context.

From linguist to linguist: the difference between polysemous words and homophones is mostly irrelevant from the point of view of pragmatic, corpora-based linguistics, which is the standard these days. What really counts is how often a word is found in a certain context, based on the approximations found in the collections of written and spoken samples (corpora).

Here's the result of a research of the word "cunt" in the BNC (British National Corpus).

Out of a sample of 100 examples of the uses of the word "cunt" in the BNC corpus 73 are found in contexts that suggest the meaning of "obnoxious or pathetic person or thing" either in a seriously insulting or joking way and in 49 examples the gender of the person called "cunt" was clearly referred to as masculine, while among the remaining examples in 6 instances the person called "cunt" was a generic addressee whose gender was unspecified (for example "[he]described any client who won't buy from as a cunt" or "if somebody act like a cunt, let them!"), in 2 it was a gender-less object and in 3 the gender was probably specified in the original context but impossible to understand from the limited context available in the corpus. Only in 13 examples the gender of the person called "cunt" in a context that suggest the general meaning of "obnoxious or pathetic person"(in either a seriously insulting or joking way) was clearly referred to as feminine.

There were also 4 examples in which the word "cunt" was used by a speaker or writer to refer to themselves.

In 14 examples the context suggested that the meaning of "cunt" was a cruder synonym for "vagina"(including metaphorical uses like "the cunt of London", etc. And in 9 examples there were other uses (in a meta-linguistic context where its own meaning was explicitly explained or discussed, in reported speech in which the meaning of the word was unclear, jokes, in rhyming slang, etc)

On the other hand if we search the word "cunt" in the Corpus Of Contemporary American English (COCA), the results are rather different.

Out of a sample of 100 examples of the uses of the word "cunt" in the COCA corpus, 46 are found in contexts that suggest the meaning of "obnoxious or pathetic person or thing" either in a seriously insulting or a joking way. In 34 examples the gender of the the person called "cunt" was clearly referred to a feminine while only in 10 examples the gender of the person called "cunt" was clearly referred to as masculine.

Among the remaining examples, in 1 the addressee was a gender-less object and in 1 the gender was probably specified in the original context but impossible to understand from the limited context available in the corpus.

There was also only 1 example in which the word "cunt" was used by a speaker or writer to refer to themselves.

In 45 examples the context suggested that the meaning of "cunt" was a cruder synonym for "vagina". And in 8 examples there were other uses (meta-linguistic use, titles of songs, books and movies where the exact meaning of the word is unclear etc.).

If we consider the word "nigger" both in the BNC and in the COCA the word seems to be used in the following contexts: a) a synonym for black person, either uttered by the speaker or by the POV character towards someone else or use from others against the speaker or others, (i.e. they called me "nigger" or they call my sister "nigger lips") or in the titles of work of fiction or non-fiction and to refer to fictional character names b) in meta-linguistic use: description of the meaning of the word itself, its spelling, translation or of its degree of appropriateness c) by someone to identify themselves d) term of endearment (i.e. "my nigger"). In this case it's interesting to notice the different use in different written contexts and in the spoken language. The results are such:

BNC: Spoken 17 examples of "nigger", in 14 the word is used as a synonym of black person, in no case as a reported speech from in 2 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, while in 1 the word is used by a speaker to identify themselves. No examples of the use as a term of endearment.

Fiction 103 examples, in 101 the word is used as synonym of black person by the POV character, in 2 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, and in no one it is used by a speaker or writer to identify themselves or as a term of endearment.

BNC: Academic Non Fiction 13 examples of "nigger", in 11 the word is used as synonym of "black person" while in 2 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, and in no one it's used by a speaker of reported speech to identify themselves. No examples of the use as a term of endearment.

BNC: Non academic Non fiction Writing 11 examples, in all 11 the word is used as synonym of "black person" by the speaker, in no one it he word is used in a meta-linguistic context, by a speaker or writer to identify themselves or as a term of endearment.

COCA:

Spoken: 274 examples, in 250 the word is used as synonym of "black person" by the speaker, in 18 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, and in 4 it is used by a speaker to identify themselves. 2 examples of the use as a term of endearment.

Written, fiction: 675 examples, in 649 the word is used as synonym of "black person" by the POV character, in 16 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, and in 7 it is used by the POV character to identify themselves. 3 examples of the use as a term of endearment.

Written, academic non-fiction: 108 examples, in 84 the word is used as synonym of "black person", in 24 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, and in no one it is used by a speaker or writer to identify themselves. No examples of the use as a term of endearment.

Written, non academic, non-fiction: 313 examples, in 275 the word is used as synonym of "black person", in 34 the word is used in a meta-linguistic context, and in 2 it is used by a speaker or writer to identify themselves. 4 examples of the use as a term of endearment.

So, to sum it up:

Total: On a sample of 1283 uses of word "nigger" in both British and American English, only in 14 cases the word is used by a speaker, writer or POV character to identify themselves, and only in 9 cases as a term of endearment.

On the other hand on a sample of 200 uses of the word "cunt" in both British and American English the word is used with the meaning "rude term for vagina" in 59 cases, and with the meaning "rude, obnoxious or pathetic person" (either in a joking or serious way) 119 times, out of which 59 referred to someone clearly identified as male.

In lights of these numbers if we assume that BNC and COCA corpora are good samples of the contemporary use of English in both the USA and the UK it's really hard to argue that "cunt" is a sexist slur, since it has at least two different meanings: rude term for vagina (neutral or slightly negative connotation; anyway, not a slur, since a vagina isn't a person) and obnoxious person (negative connotation, but pretty gender neutral in the UK, where 49 out of the 73 uses of this nature refer to males; in the US the majority of the uses of this kind refer to women but 10 out of 46 of them refer to males).

There's no doubt, on the other hand, that the number of times where "nigger" is not necessarily used as synonym of "black person" (because the skin color of the speakers or the addressee is not known) and also with a neutral or positive connotation are very rare: 23 out of 1283.

In the wide majority of cases the word "nigger" is definitely used as a synonym of "black person" with a negative connotation, which is the definition of a slur.

Since the meaning of word is defined by its use the case for arguing that "cunt" is a sexist slur is very much weaker than the case for arguing that "nigger" is a racist slur.

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Lurker, caught up. · #11451

another lurker wrote:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... 861b99.jpg

I had never seen a painting of a man fingering himself while eating a Cornetto...until today.

#11452

another lurker wrote:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... 861b99.jpg

Fascinating.
Captivating.
Thought provoking.

#11453

screwtape wrote:Com gets out his micropenis.

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I admit, I just dont "get" some art.

Marlene Dumas, highest paid female artist in the world, apparently. I was reading the comments section in The Guardian regarding her work, and it would appear that art criticism and appreciation requires a generous serving of word salad.

#11454

screwtape wrote:Com gets out his micropenis.

Nah, if I did you couldn't see it. :shifty:

#11455

another lurker wrote:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... 861b99.jpg

With six fingers on that hand to choose from, why is he only using one?

#11456

bovarchist wrote:
ROBOKiTTY wrote:[youtube]b2OcKQ_mbiQ[/youtube]
That...is incredibly sexist. The girl is just a passive object for the male to act upon.

Now if I had been in charge of that project, I'd have ended it with the boys refusing to slap her...and then she slaps the shit out of them. "Yeah, that's how that works, kid. Get used to it."

But that's why I can't have nice things. ;)

Try it again with a girl who isn't a foot taller than the guys....

#11457

deLurch wrote:So I was watching a movie last night, and I think I finally found a solution for the deep rifts.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462200/

I watched Pacific Rim last night, which also presented a solution (albeit, a bit different) to deep rifts.

#11458

another lurker wrote:it would appear that art criticism and appreciation requires a generous serving of word salad.

A favorite quote of mine from Harold Speed: "Art Criticism is a branch of literature, and I do not see why one should expect more than one could if literary criticism were a branch of painting."

#11459

screwtape wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!
I thought it was a lesbian secret symbol, rather like a masonic handshake.

Sulman wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Excuse that "()". I was going to put something in it, but changed my mind!
Haha, excellent Freudian overtones too :)

You both need to read John Fowles' The Ebony Tower to learn how ninja'd you really are. As in: early 70s ninja'd.

#11460

deLurch wrote:Well our teeth alone are proof we are not descendants of some great vegan empire.

Ah, but don't our tongues attest to our descent of a vaginal empire?