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Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
The Yeti wrote:carrier is like the gift that keeps on giving. He appears tip have seen a girlfriend to the comments of my blog to defend him. It is pretty amusing how she changes her story in order to defend Tricky Dicky from b charges of hypocrisy.
I read that. I have my suspicions about this girlfiend...
I heard her name is Tara de Force

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Steersman wrote:...I had had a few other irons in the fire (notably responding to HJ who's taken a peevish & long-winded run at Dawkins for a few of his tweets)...
Steers or anyone who wouldn't mind posting at the blog linked above - maybe ask HJ whether he thinks Myers & Gorski would agree w/ HJ's position on difficulty of social sciences > biology, medicine > physics? (Also specific physicists & social scientists on "that side", if you know of any.)

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rayshul wrote:
Gefan wrote:Once you get past the hipster haircut and beard (it took me about ten minutes to stop laughing) I'd be interested in our Chill Girl contingent's reaction to this:
[youtube]bVHYvUpeqKI[/youtube]
That was the weirdest porn I've ever seen.
All I know is that they missed consent steps. In a California college, both people could have been raped unless they say otherwise.

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I posted this on its own thread, but none of you read anything other than this so for those it might help I am reposting it here:

First Part:

There are a lot of people who "advise" with regard to styling themselves as "self help" gurus on how to build computers - either in your personal life or on YouTube.

What cheeses me off no end is that the advice usually just deals with the sexy bits, but is conspicuously low on important details. Even though this will be dated in a couple of years I want to try to keep this as generic as I can so that even though the hardware has changed the spirit of this article will still remain valid.

I will break it down for you, if you want to build a gaming rig (and where there is a change with regard to building a computer not primarily used of gaming or the games are not hardware intensive) from vital through important to negligible.

Vital:
1) PSU - Power Supply Unit

This is going to be really long and I don't care because people who read it will walk away more informed:

Why is there such a difference in price between various Power Supply Units which purport to do the same thing?

The secret is known as "cost down".

What happens is that a design for an absolutely perfect PSU is created, then there is a round of eliminating components to save cost. If that works then another round of elimination is started and tested until there is a design which no longer works - one then goes back a step to the absolute bare minimum which did work.

So that's it? Not by a long shot. Now that there is a bare minimum of components which will work the next phase of "cost down" is put into effect. In this round the high quality components (such as capacitors) are replaced by lower quality ones. This is then tested and if it still works then those lower quality components will be replaced by even worse quality components. This continues until the PSU once again fails and then the process is taken one step back to the design which did still work.

So that's it then rock bottom has been reached?

Not quite; now that the design has been minimised and the components have been "cost downed" the focus is on the safety of the device itself. Do we really need all of them? Of course not, so various safety components are eliminated or replaced by cheaper alternatives until they can technically say that they are in compliance with safety standards without actually lying outright.

How can you tell a PSU from a potential IED (Improvised Explosive Device)? Simply by picking it up. If you pick up a PSU and it feels like all it needs is to be sealed and have some helium added to it to make it fly away then you are dealing with an "AL-Q Taliban Special" (AQTS). Another indicator would be the presence of a switch on the back of the PSU around the power switch where you can choose between 110 volts and 230 volts. If one looks at the label on the PSU and it has an entry for "-5V" on it then it is an IED candidate. If you look at the Amps with regard to the various voltages and the "+3.3V" and "+5V" are higher than the "+12V" then again you are dealing with an AQTS".

Last but not least there is of course the price. If a deal looks too good to be true then in the case of a PSU it most certainly is.

What are the typical "features" of an "Al-Q Taliban Special" IED? One of the main "features" is that this type of device will generally use your hardware as a fuse to defend itself against detonating. It is only logical (well in the minds of the designers) that the PSU has to be defended against damage by eliminating the cause of the threat, namely the motherboard and/or some other offending parts of your hardware.

If you are lucky then all that will happen is that the AQTS will just not turn on. Not so lucky if if it makes large "bang" noise and/or issues magic smoke. Unlucky if the "bang" noise and/or magic smoke results in the PSU catching on fire, and you can see the results of something like that here: (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/26 ... eg_reader/)

Of course the worst luck is if it catches fire and you are not there (or asleep) to put it out before you lose your home and/or your own life and life of your loved ones.

Another "feature" of the AQTS is that although it is rated at a certain wattage it will never attain that performance in real use. Generally one of these devices will be "good" if they can actually put out half of the rated wattage. One thing you can be certain of however, if you buy a "700 Watt" IED then you will NEVER, EVER, be able to run 700 Watt worth of hardware from it - not even close.

One should not expect any kind of efficiency from an AQTS and the only "80+" energy rating is the writing on the box. What this means is that within a year (if it lasts that long) the AQTS will have ended up costing you more in wasted electricity than buying a proper PSU in the first place.

The most trivial of the "features" of the AQTS is the absolute dearth of connection cables issuing from it. Not only will there be a lack of those cables but the ones that are there will also be much too short.

The cheap price of the AQTS is also offset by its short lifespan. If it lasts for more than a year of normal use before it dies (and hopefully does nothing else) then the person who bought it can consider themselves lucky.

So what can you expect from a PSU that costs a bit more money? Safety features for one (for both the PSU and the attached hardware), they will also perform to their rated wattage and also have a priority for the "+12V" rail over the other two. Really high quality PSUs (like the Corsair AX860i) will happily run ABOVE their rated wattage. For instance the AX860i has been tested and showed no signs of wear running at almost 1,000 Watts:(http://www.kitguru.net/components/power ... review/11/) If anything goes wrong with a real PSU then it will quietly shut down, that is it will go out with a whisper rather than a bang. You can also expect the PSU to last and do its job for years.

In conclusion next to pouring a bucket of water over your running computer the PSU has the potential to do the most damage to your system. If you have a neighbour downstairs who is considering building his own computer and you see him eyeing advertisements for an "Al-Q Taliban Special", offer to give him an extra $30 or so towards buying a decent PSU - it might just save your life.

Another good reason buying a high-quality PSU is that they will reliably allow your computer to enter the lowest power sleep state. In this state the computer draws very little more power than it would if you turned it off completely, yet, at the touch of a key, press of a mouse, or if required a signal from the network, it will be instantly awake.

Cheap PSU's will not be reliable, even in higher powered sleep states, but are guaranteed to be useless for the ultra-low power sleep state - they just cannot reliably supply the low voltages over longer periods of time (or at all).

Why should you care?

If you are even remotely like me, then, if you are working on a project, you will have a number of applications open, probably your browser has lots of tabs open to sites you have searched for or are posting to. Unlike me most of you will, when you get knackered, save everything, shut down the computer and then the next day have to painstaking load everything again; or leave everything open and your computer running, wasting a huge amount of electricity, whilst you go to bed.

Not only does this waste time, but also, if you were doing Internet searches require you to reload all the sites (which goes to the detriment of your download quota). There might also be sites that you found by accident with valuable information and you just cannot remember what the name of the sites were, so you spend ages trying to find them again.

With a good PSU you can just put your system into a deep sleep and with one press of a key be exactly where you were when you left off.

Especially for a gaming rig you have to have a PSU which will reliably supply the voltage to your graphics card if you want to avoid a CTD (Crash To Desktop) or a BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death).

Graphic Cards are very sensitive to voltage fluctuations. Cheap PSUs will, if they pay any attention at all to system stability, overvolt the 12V rail at lower energy demand so that with increased energy demand it will not drop below 12V by an amount sufficient to cause a CTD or BSOD (at least in theory). This overvoltage at lower demands upon the Graphics Card will translate directly into:

A)Wasted heat

B) Decreasing the life expectancy of your Graphics Card.

C) Dramatically decreased system stability.

Graphic Card drives are implemented at the kernel (Ring-0) level of your OS/CPU. What this means is that any miscommunication between the OS/Application and the Graphic Card will result in a immediate kernel panic and your system failing. If you are lucky then only the gaming application will crash if the miscommunication was only local to that application.

Another thing to consider with regard to PSUs is that the high quality ones will come with a fan, but will not actually activate that fan until it is needed to cool the components inside it. This means that it does not suck in crap from the environment to coat the components (insulating them and causing them to lose efficiency in getting rid of heat) and thus creating more points of failure for the PSU (dust for instance can cause a short circuit either from static electricity or conduction if the dust becomes humid enough).

Further down I will introduce some factors which will help offset the cost of a high quality PSU without compromising computer performance.

... More in Part 2

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Part Two:

2) Motherboard

The Motherboard is where everything interfaces i.e. comes together. If you have a shit motherboard then no matter what high quality components you have in your system otherwise they will not be able to perform with the performance you may expect from them; or at high load at all.

Low cost Motherboards have the obvious deficiencies - lack of expansion ports. This ranges from SATA ports to USB ports.

With USB ports this is especially critical because on cheap motherboards all of them run off one fuse. If that blows then all of your USB ports are useless at one fell stroke, resulting in you having to buy or replace the entire Motherboard; good Motherboards have a separate fuse for every port, so that if one goes then you can carry on with those you have left.

Also all other things being equal (see casings) the voltage supplied to the USB ports should be consistent and continuous. This is not the case when the attenuation of electrical current is taken into account with regard to external USB ports. It is not important what power is sent TO the external port which is important, but rather the amount of power received BY the the device which decides whether it functions or not. For instance on a cheap motherboard one device on one external USB port will function; two devices on two of the external USB ports and neither of them will function.

With a low cost motherboard, if the BIOS (Basic Input Output System) gets corrupted (for instance from a BIOS update) then you will also have something indistinguishable from a rock on your hands; with a high quality Motherboard you will be able to recover your system in this eventuality. On a high quality motherboard the BIOS chip will be socketed and not soldered, so that if the BIOS chip fails it can be replaced.

High quality motherboards will assure that all compatibilities are complied with, with all devices attached, low quality motherboards will only comply with those required and not those potentially demanded of them. In this regard I could name so many conflicts that it would fill two pages of text.

Then there is bus length to consider.

All signals from the same kind of devices on the motherboard should have the same amount of length to travel to the device interpreting those signals on the motherboard.

It is not such a big deal if you have a motherboard with only one Graphics Card in it. Also not a big deal if you have two Graphics Cards slotted in it (as SLI or Crossfire) - until you run a game at the highest resolution with the highest settings. THEN signal interpretation becomes VITAL! And that can only be regulated over the bus length (length of the pathway) - anything below 100% is as good as 0% under load. Also the materials steamed onto the those pathways has to be of uniform quality and consistency.

If you just want something that works under minimum load then go for the cheapest motherboard. If you want something that works no matter what, then expect to spend a few dollars more.

Personally I like Gigabyte motherboards because they are solid. Not the greatest "performance" but they do have high quality capacitors and VRMs - just don't go for the cheapest ones (yes Gigabyte does make "price conscious" shit).

That's it for the vital.

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Part Three:

Between vital and important:

Case and Cooling

I was almost tempted to put these into the "vital" category but I felt it would have taken away from the importance of the two things I mentioned there.

3) Why is the case important? In one word, airflow. You want lots of air circulating around your components to take the heat away. Yes, sure the graphics card you have has three fans on it etc., et al., ad nauseam, but if you have SLI or Crossfire then you have dead zones where the heat just recirculates around the GPUs. You want a case that blow in cool air (and extract hot air) so that you do not have your components dying of heat death or lowering their performance due to thermal throttling.

The dirty secret with regard low cost cases is one of the reason for the low cost is that the quality of the wiring to the external USB ports is inferior. What this means is that because of the attenuation the voltage reaching those devices and/or acquisition the signal of is not adequate to sustain their reliable (if any) communication with the USB interface on the motherboard, causing them to fail.

There is no fault tolerance with regard to this kind of signalling so it is either all or nothing.

With cheap cases you get nothing a lot of the time.

There is also the incidence of noise. The smaller the fan the higher the noise. Sure you can get low noise 120mm fans, but they cost a boatload (the best fans are Noctua fans) and will very quickly gobble up the money you saved on a "bargain" case.

The other thing you have to ask yourself is, even if you are willing to put up with the noise of a 120mm fan or fans, do you really want your PC to act a vacuum cleaner for your house?

Because of the speed of rotation to attain the airflow to reduce the temperature, even smaller fans which you did not notice the sound of will piss you off, if you have to run them at full speed to acquire the system temperature and then the dust adheres to them becoming unbalanced with regard to the individual vanes of the fan and they start making a (usually fucking annoying) noise.

My personal favourite absolutely affordable case is the CoolerMaster HAF XM (there are a number of HAF cases so the "XM" is important). It can house four 200mm fans (which makes it damn near silent in operation - silent as in I have one about one and a half feet away from my ear on my desk and I cannot hear it when the system is running).

3b) Cooling

By cooling I mean CPU cooler.

Here you have the choice between dry and wet.

Let's take a look at the advantages of both:

Dry Cooler:

These are coolers which don't rely on a radiator and they have no advantages over their "wet" counterparts and a boatload of disadvantages.

Disadvantages:

1) Compared to the AIO wet competition they cost the same if not more.

2) Compared to the AIO wet competition they create more thermal problems within the the computer (all they do is recirculate the hot air in the computer case and exacerbate the ability of the other subsystems such as the Graphic Card to dissipate heat - especially in a constricted confine).

3) Wieght.

If you want to have an efficient air cooler then it has to have weight. This weight is borne by the motherboard and if you are moving your computer for any reason and it get jostled by dropping it or rough handling of any sort then it is quite possuible (especially if you have bought a cheap motherboard) that the entire CPU socket gets damaged and you have an intact CPU cooler and a no longer functioning computer.

4) Bulk

Because of the sheer footprint of a really effective dry CPU cooler it cover and disrupts effective airflow over other vital components surrounding your CPU such as capacitors or VRMs. So your CPU remains cool, but a capacitor may overheat and blow, thus reducing your system to a rock or the VRMs may overheat and cause your system to crash (or become a rock).

Wet Cooler:

Simply put you cannot beat the Corsair OEM AIO water coolers. They put the weight of the business end (radiator) where it belongs - attached to the case and NOT the motherboard. This means that if you happen to move your computer and bump it or drop it whilst moving it you will not risk tearing the guts out of your motherboard if you used an air cooler - 'nuff said?

Because the radiator is attached to the periphery of the case the heat of the most TDP intensive portion of your computer is optimally transported away from the rest of the system.

The footprint on the CPU is small so the airflow through the system will easily cool the the capacitors and the VRMs of your motherboard.

Where is the downside of a water cooler?

In the instructions from the manufacturer with regard to how to set up the fans.

Believe it or not he morons actually recommend the fans blowing air INTO the case.

Sure the ambient air will be cooler however:

A) The air being sucked in will also carry dust which will over time clog the radiator and degrade the efficacy of the heat exchange.

B) Blow warm air into the case which will reduce the heat dissapating capacity of other subsystems (Hard-drive and Graphics Card for instance)

Important:

1) Graphics Adapter

For a gaming rig the GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) is the sine qua non of performance. Save on the next "Important" item if it means that you can afford a better GPU card.

The better the GPU and the more ram the less heat the total system gives off. If you want a silent system the spend more on this for a given performance.

Games have adapted to GPUs and many of the functions normally dealt with at the CPU level are shunted to the GPU.

Personally I have an enduring hate for Nvidia based Graphics Cards because of their fraudulent advertising which can only be explained by reviewers or magazines propensity to be bribed by false advertising - YMMV.

I will stick with ATI/AMD because they are honest with what they promise and what they deliver with regard to their hardware and drivers in conjunction and the OS with regard to stability.

Nvidia, are lying shitbags. They make stable drivers for the benchmark tests and the suckers who buy their products have to deal with system crashes in real time for about three to six months until they get the bugs worked out. They get the bugs worked out by degrading the performance of the cards. They are lying shitbags and defraud their customers.

2) CPU (Central Processing Unit)

For gaming there is just no way around an Intel CPU. Games are notoriously SHIT at utilising multiple cores - they are just not built with multithreading in mind. So you can just ignore every single AMD CPU out there. Intel did a great job with their Haswell CPU for performance and energy saving. Intel saw the writing on the wall and with a reasonably priced Haswell CPU you will be happily gaming for the next five years or so (and I mean 24/7 if you follow my advice with regard to the "vital" components).

This having been said, one does not need the ultimate, most expensive, Intel CPU out there. One can go for a "weaker" CPU and invest the difference in a more powerful graphics adaptor (GPU). The days when overclocking the CPU was the secret to gaming performance has long since died.

If you do not need gaming performance then the cheapest by far alternative is an AMD CPU. Seriously there is no comparison.

Aside from gaming performance the AMD has the Intel competition beat hands down and all of it on one chip. The Intel competition has to have a dedicated GPU subsystem to even compete on a level playing field.

3) SSD

Get an SSD for your operating system. You do not need one for your games. A 128 GB SSD is more than enough for your needs and just install everything you could never do without onto it (OS, Browser, Office Package) so that it is easy to back up to the terrabyte Hard Drive you choose.

Negligible:

RAM

This is the biggest con out there. THERE IS NO PERFORMANCE GAIN WHATSOEVER FROM "OVERCLOCKED" RAM. Buy good quality normally clocked RAM (make sure it is CL9 RAM for DDR3).

Hard Drive

Don't just buy an expensive high capacity SSD, Buy a 128GB SSD for your OS and things you cannot do without and a four terabyte HD for games and shit and you will be sorted. I personally prefer Seagate (that is my personal bias).

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I really, really want to make a cheap stupid joke about murdering my motherboard but my superior conscience and righteous moral life direction forbids from doing so. :hand:

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Sorry, that does not even make sense - unless you had an incestuous relationship with your mother.

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I want the PSU which powers Steersman. Fucker will quite clearly last forever, though excessive generation of hot air has been a noted problem.

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Tigzy wrote:I want the PSU which powers Steersman. Fucker will quite clearly last forever, though excessive generation of hot air has been a noted problem.
Steersman is an obvious case of undervoltage.

His application has crashed although his OS has survived.

He is in limbo between real time and real time application.

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Skep tickle wrote:OMFG. There's so much to comment on here. Can't resist asking, is the "fact" that social science is (he says) more difficult than biology and way more difficult than physics the reason he didn't define "rape culture" in his last FTBCon talk?
I started off in physics before moving into the social sciences but I have retained an interest in science and it's simply not true that the social sciences are more difficult.

The main difference is that the social sciences make it easy to make purely unsubstantiated claims.

Make a claim about the Higgs mechanism and you are expected to back it up with testable hypotheses; make a claim about patriarchy and the truth of the claim is taken to be self-evident.

Social sciences appear difficult to beginners because they're not expecting the terminology. You suspect, even before you begin, that particle physics will involve new terminology and some maths so it's pretty much as hard as you expect; because we all live in society people think they already understand it and aren't expecting a lot of difficult terminology so social sciences are harder than they expect; however, they aren't objectively hard. Patriarchy is only difficult to understand because the word is used to define a number of different things. Physicists wouldn't get away with that shit.

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Nec_V20 wrote:Sorry, that does not even make sense - unless you had an incestuous relationship with your mother.
So you are saying you get the joke because you had an incestuous relationship with your mother?
How else could you know it would make sense that way?
Mickey; you need to stop making such shameful confessions over the internet. People will begin to think you are strange. :naughty:

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:OMFG. There's so much to comment on here. Can't resist asking, is the "fact" that social science is (he says) more difficult than biology and way more difficult than physics the reason he didn't define "rape culture" in his last FTBCon talk?
I started off in physics before moving into the social sciences but I have retained an interest in science and it's simply not true that the social sciences are more difficult.

The main difference is that the social sciences make it easy to make purely unsubstantiated claims.

Make a claim about the Higgs mechanism and you are expected to back it up with testable hypotheses; make a claim about patriarchy and the truth of the claim is taken to be self-evident.

Social sciences appear difficult to beginners because they're not expecting the terminology. You suspect, even before you begin, that particle physics will involve new terminology and some maths so it's pretty much as hard as you expect; because we all live in society people think they already understand it and aren't expecting a lot of difficult terminology so social sciences are harder than they expect; however, they aren't objectively hard. Patriarchy is only difficult to understand because the word is used to define a number of different things. Physicists wouldn't get away with that shit.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:I really, really want to make a cheap stupid joke about murdering my motherboard but my superior conscience and righteous moral life direction forbids from doing so. :hand:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:OMFG. There's so much to comment on here. Can't resist asking, is the "fact" that social science is (he says) more difficult than biology and way more difficult than physics the reason he didn't define "rape culture" in his last FTBCon talk?
I started off in physics before moving into the social sciences but I have retained an interest in science and it's simply not true that the social sciences are more difficult.

The main difference is that the social sciences make it easy to make purely unsubstantiated claims.

Make a claim about the Higgs mechanism and you are expected to back it up with testable hypotheses; make a claim about patriarchy and the truth of the claim is taken to be self-evident.

Social sciences appear difficult to beginners because they're not expecting the terminology. You suspect, even before you begin, that particle physics will involve new terminology and some maths so it's pretty much as hard as you expect; because we all live in society people think they already understand it and aren't expecting a lot of difficult terminology so social sciences are harder than they expect; however, they aren't objectively hard. Patriarchy is only difficult to understand because the word is used to define a number of different things. Physicists wouldn't get away with that shit.

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Sorry about that Shatterface,

nonetheless your denigration of "Social Sciences" is bogus.

You can split an atom into its component parts.

We, and my degree is in Pyschology from Bonn University, are not allowed to do anything more than ask those atoms how they may feel about doing anything - if they feel about doing anything anyway and feel willing to answer our questions.

So go and take your self-righteous bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Yes the Hedron Collider has physical science on its side. On the side of my field of "science" I only have inference and a minuscule budget.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:I really, really want to make a cheap stupid joke about murdering my motherboard but my superior conscience and righteous moral life direction forbids from doing so. :hand:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol: :lol:
At some point you may need to ask my help with your computer system which I could solve for free, but you will be charged a few hundred dollars for.

The reason why I will not offer to solve it for free is because I will remember:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol: :lol:
My attitude to your potential suffering is, fuck you too.

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I have seen the extent of the solution to computers here on this thread.

I gave a specific solution which worked however some others only had generic advice which had no relevance whatsoever.

I know exactly how fuckwitted those here are with regard to real time computer problems.

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deLurch wrote:
Southern wrote:I'll enjoy the first month of the enforced vacation, I think. Economy is goint through the drain, but IT usually suffers less from recession here (mostly because of the lack of qualified manpower). I have some reserves plus the termination fees plus up to five months of welfare (since I worked more than two years at the same place), so I can really sit on my fatass and live the la vida Twatson for at least 5 months. I hope I'll be working before that.
What kind of IT work? For some areas, there is always the possibility of doing remote work.
Web development, mostly, although I know how to do Java/C development as well. Down here, employers are still very suspicious about remote working - they think that if you are not where they can see you, you'll just spend the day on Facebook or playing vydia or something like that (even if they could easily establish weekly or even daily productivity goals and just kick the employee if he's not getting things done). But eh, maybe in 10 years, like every new idea from the North.

I'll rest for about 2 weeks (since that was basically the vacation time I still had pending from last year), looking only casually for job opportunities, and then I'll start looking seriously for it. No point in rushing things, and I'm still trusting myself to be employable, after all.

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Skep tickle wrote:Sagal has been the host since 1998 of Wait, Wait… Don’t Tell Me!, the Chicago Public Radio & NPR news-based comedy quiz show. The jokes on the show include the fake answers to multiple choice quizzes that occur throughout the hour, from which the contestants are supposed to select the one answer that sounds ridiculous but is actually true. In the show that aired today (March 7), two jokes caught my ear as Problematic (at least, PAPF...Problematic at Atheism Plus Forum):
Yup. This is long been one of my pet peeves. I listen to a fair number of podcasts, I used to listen to Wait, Wait...Don't Tell Me, then I realized how fucking hypocritical the whole exercise was and I stopped listening to it. Pop Culture Happy Hour is somewhat in the same vein, but that's even worse as they get political on things every now and then.

It's a very clear example of in-group/out-group bias. I mean, I listen to a lot of off-color podcasts. And there are racist/sexist jokes sometimes. But honestly it's generally ALWAYS framed as racist/sexist humor. Like there's a recognition that this is beyond the pale, we're just joking, we're complete and total assholes for saying this, and so on. (What's necessary IMO for a high quality off-color humorous podcast is a self-effacing sense of humor)

But the NPR stuff is just there. And often just put there as The Way Things Are. There's a very 50'ish vibe behind the whole proceeding, to be honest. In the absence of the culture wars I'd be OK with it. But it's not OK that this stuff slides under the radar while much less egregious examples of sexism and racism are blown up.

The Neo-Hipster culture, IMO has some pretty severe sexism/racism issues going on. It would be nice if they stop projecting said issues onto the rest of us.

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:OMFG. There's so much to comment on here. Can't resist asking, is the "fact" that social science is (he says) more difficult than biology and way more difficult than physics the reason he didn't define "rape culture" in his last FTBCon talk?
I started off in physics before moving into the social sciences but I have retained an interest in science and it's simply not true that the social sciences are more difficult.

The main difference is that the social sciences make it easy to make purely unsubstantiated claims.

Make a claim about the Higgs mechanism and you are expected to back it up with testable hypotheses; make a claim about patriarchy and the truth of the claim is taken to be self-evident.

Social sciences appear difficult to beginners because they're not expecting the terminology. You suspect, even before you begin, that particle physics will involve new terminology and some maths so it's pretty much as hard as you expect; because we all live in society people think they already understand it and aren't expecting a lot of difficult terminology so social sciences are harder than they expect; however, they aren't objectively hard. Patriarchy is only difficult to understand because the word is used to define a number of different things. Physicists wouldn't get away with that shit.

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That's one of the many reasons SJW's annoy me so much. They take a term and misapply it, usually by generalising. The whole of Atheism Plus is based on misapplied social science yet as far as they are concerned it must be unquestioned and they attack anyone who is not in full agreement. Either they are getting a terrible education or do not care about the proper use of terms. Probably both. They have to build up a whole meme system to cover up for their ignorance, such as non whites can't be racist and all men are rapists. It is like trying to make silk from a sows ear and it is rotten to the core. Instead of looking at reality and realizing they are not using terms correctly they bumble on as if they are experts, even telling people to 'educate yourself'. Sure, I'll educate myself, but not with their crap.

If you want to know how logical they are. Melissa McEwan of Shakesville recently said that although someone was proved to be totally innocent it did not in anyway invalidate the opinion of someone who said they were not (was a male of course) This is the sort of insanity Myers supports. I do not know how he calls himself a Scientist. I would be too ashamed and embarrassed to even get out of bed.

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NoGodsEver wrote: Now I probably largely agree with PZ about abortion and gay rights, but to say, if atheists (what he really meant was himself) were running the show, there would be no debate. I can't think of much that is more anti-Enlightenment than the concept of 'no debate.'
Just like it happened on all those place where atheist ideologies attained the power and pretty much behaved like you would expect from power-hungry freaks.

I think Douglas Adams was into something when he wrote that the guy running the Universe had no idea that he was actually running the Universe. If someone wants power, he should be the last person power should be given to.

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I had a Motherboard fault last night, maybe its catching. Anyway it is a common issue for my board so I fixed it. Eventually. After a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Of course I did not know how to fix it until after I fixed it and looked online to see how to fix it. But then as I fixed it I did not need to know how to fix it so I did not fix it then as I had already fixed it.

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Nec_V20 wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:I really, really want to make a cheap stupid joke about murdering my motherboard but my superior conscience and righteous moral life direction forbids from doing so. :hand:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol: :lol:
At some point you may need to ask my help with your computer system which I could solve for free, but you will be charged a few hundred dollars for.

The reason why I will not offer to solve it for free is because I will remember:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :lol: :lol: :lol:
My attitude to your potential suffering is, fuck you too.
Hang on, so I get more punishment for laughing at a funny thing than does the person who wrote the funny thing?

That's like having the Nuremberg trial dock filled with Wehrmacht soldiers intead of Goering, et al.

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JackSkeptic wrote:I had a Motherboard fault last night, maybe its catching. Anyway it is a common issue for my board so I fixed it. Eventually. After a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Of course I did not know how to fix it until after I fixed it and looked online to see how to fix it. But then as I fixed it I did not need to know how to fix it so I did not fix it then as I had already fixed it.
Should've asked Nec.

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Nec_V20 wrote:Sorry about that Shatterface,

nonetheless your denigration of "Social Sciences" is bogus.

You can split an atom into its component parts.

We, and my degree is in Pyschology from Bonn University, are not allowed to do anything more than ask those atoms how they may feel about doing anything - if they feel about doing anything anyway and feel willing to answer our questions.
I have no fucking idea what that means because I don't speak Deepak Chopra.
So go and take your self-righteous bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Yes the Hedron Collider has physical science on its side.
You've got that backward. The physical sciences have the LHC on their side.

The LHC was built to test hypotheses; they didn't decide one day to build a huge magnetic donut and then come up with some ad hoc physics to justify building it.
On the side of my field of "science" I only have inference and a minuscule budget.
I've seen nothing to demonstrate you have any knowledge of psychology at all, just a lot of computer stuff I have no interest in. You wouldn't be the most ignored person on the forum if you had any psychological insight into how you come across.

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JackSkeptic wrote:
Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:OMFG. There's so much to comment on here. Can't resist asking, is the "fact" that social science is (he says) more difficult than biology and way more difficult than physics the reason he didn't define "rape culture" in his last FTBCon talk?
I started off in physics before moving into the social sciences but I have retained an interest in science and it's simply not true that the social sciences are more difficult.

The main difference is that the social sciences make it easy to make purely unsubstantiated claims.

Make a claim about the Higgs mechanism and you are expected to back it up with testable hypotheses; make a claim about patriarchy and the truth of the claim is taken to be self-evident.

Social sciences appear difficult to beginners because they're not expecting the terminology. You suspect, even before you begin, that particle physics will involve new terminology and some maths so it's pretty much as hard as you expect; because we all live in society people think they already understand it and aren't expecting a lot of difficult terminology so social sciences are harder than they expect; however, they aren't objectively hard. Patriarchy is only difficult to understand because the word is used to define a number of different things. Physicists wouldn't get away with that shit.

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That's one of the many reasons SJW's annoy me so much. They take a term and misapply it, usually by generalising. The whole of Atheism Plus is based on misapplied social science yet as far as they are concerned it must be unquestioned and they attack anyone who is not in full agreement. Either they are getting a terrible education or do not care about the proper use of terms. Probably both. They have to build up a whole meme system to cover up for their ignorance, such as non whites can't be racist and all men are rapists. It is like trying to make silk from a sows ear and it is rotten to the core. Instead of looking at reality and realizing they are not using terms correctly they bumble on as if they are experts, even telling people to 'educate yourself'. Sure, I'll educate myself, but not with their crap.

If you want to know how logical they are. Melissa McEwan of Shakesville recently said that although someone was proved to be totally innocent it did not in anyway invalidate the opinion of someone who said they were not (was a male of course) This is the sort of insanity Myers supports. I do not know how he calls himself a Scientist. I would be too ashamed and embarrassed to even get out of bed.

And that's the reason why "assburgers" is applied to me?

If you want to be so righteous about it you might have started more than six months ago.

But no, you didn't so you really don't have any grounds to lament now.

Even though I sent a PM to you it did not prevent you pissing on me in accord with the "public wisdom".

You want to whine about the SJW crowd but in this "crowd" you took the least path of resistance and crapped on me as the retard - even though I reached out to you - like everyone else.

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JackSkeptic wrote:I had a Motherboard fault last night, maybe its catching. Anyway it is a common issue for my board so I fixed it. Eventually. After a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Of course I did not know how to fix it until after I fixed it and looked online to see how to fix it. But then as I fixed it I did not need to know how to fix it so I did not fix it then as I had already fixed it.
I would have just killed the motherboard and got a new one.

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Looks like somebody around here gets a weekend pass.

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Nec_V20 wrote:
And that's the reason why "assburgers" is applied to me?

If you want to be so righteous about it you might have started more than six months ago.

But no, you didn't so you really don't have any grounds to lament now.

Even though I sent a PM to you it did not prevent you pissing on me in accord with the "public wisdom".

You want to whine about the SJW crowd but in this "crowd" you took the least path of resistance and crapped on me as the retard - even though I reached out to you - like everyone else.
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Nec_V20 wrote: I know exactly how fuckwitted those here are with regard to real time computer problems.
"Fuckwitted"?

PZ Myers detected!

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JackSkeptic wrote:I had a Motherboard fault last night, maybe its catching. Anyway it is a common issue for my board so I fixed it. Eventually. After a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Of course I did not know how to fix it until after I fixed it and looked online to see how to fix it. But then as I fixed it I did not need to know how to fix it so I did not fix it then as I had already fixed it.
Many years ago, I had a 80386 Mother-in law board problem (my wife owned the computer). I wanted to kill it, but my wife was rather attached to it. In those days the internet was young so we couldn't just look up the solution to fix the old girl so I took her behind the barn and shot her. I told my wife she just wandered off and we just upgraded and lived happily ever after. :dance:

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:lol: at HJ Hornbeck calling general relativity and quantum field theory easy.

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Damn, nagered by Mac Gruder :drool:

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote:Sorry about that Shatterface,

nonetheless your denigration of "Social Sciences" is bogus.

You can split an atom into its component parts.

We, and my degree is in Pyschology from Bonn University, are not allowed to do anything more than ask those atoms how they may feel about doing anything - if they feel about doing anything anyway and feel willing to answer our questions.
I have no fucking idea what that means because I don't speak Deepak Chopra.
So go and take your self-righteous bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Yes the Hedron Collider has physical science on its side.
You've got that backward. The physical sciences have the LHC on their side.

The LHC was built to test hypotheses; they didn't decide one day to build a huge magnetic donut and then come up with some ad hoc physics to justify building it.
On the side of my field of "science" I only have inference and a minuscule budget.
I've seen nothing to demonstrate you have any knowledge of psychology at all, just a lot of computer stuff I have no interest in. You wouldn't be the most ignored person on the forum if you had any psychological insight into how you come across.

Shatterface

Deepak Chopra does nothing scientifically except withdraw money from suckers wallets.

As far as I know the LHC is there either an instance of proof or disproof of physical theory. Why build it if we knew the answers?

Personally I don't have any knowledge of Psychology because apart from my degree from Bonn University I have never been involved in any clinical aspect of it whatsoever - in fact even when I studied Psychology the clinical aspect was just a part I had to pass,

As opposed to the preconceptions I discovered from my degree that the path to discovery was more intriguing than the glib tabloid attribution based on superficiality.

For instance I know that your post that you do so from a a deep sensed feeling of inadequacy and that you can only find some kind of integration in forums such as these where you reinforce the status quo without actually contributing.

You try to make your non presence pregnantly felt.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote:
And that's the reason why "assburgers" is applied to me?

If you want to be so righteous about it you might have started more than six months ago.

But no, you didn't so you really don't have any grounds to lament now.

Even though I sent a PM to you it did not prevent you pissing on me in accord with the "public wisdom".

You want to whine about the SJW crowd but in this "crowd" you took the least path of resistance and crapped on me as the retard - even though I reached out to you - like everyone else.
So you are an anti-semite and and ignoramus

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Nec_V20 wrote:
For instance I know that your post that you do so from a a deep sensed feeling of inadequacy and that you can only find some kind of integration in forums such as these where you reinforce the status quo without actually contributing.

You try to make your non presence pregnantly felt.
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James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote:
For instance I know that your post that you do so from a a deep sensed feeling of inadequacy and that you can only find some kind of integration in forums such as these where you reinforce the status quo without actually contributing.

You try to make your non presence pregnantly felt.
So you are an anti-semite and and ignoramus

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Nec_V20 wrote: So you are an anti-semite and and ignoramus
Tell me another epic poem about the time you fixed a computer, grandpa.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote:
For instance I know that your post that you do so from a a deep sensed feeling of inadequacy and that you can only find some kind of integration in forums such as these where you reinforce the status quo without actually contributing.

You try to make your non presence pregnantly felt.
I feel sorry for you, your ancestors were either behind the levers gassing the victims or you would have been one of the those gassing for you to find it to be a joke.

My family was on the receiving end of the gassing - my grandfathers two older brothers entire families to be exact.

If you have something personal with me, you live in England as do I, then why not make it up close and personal and we will see if you family mourns you passing as my family has our loss?

Seriously, put your face where my fist is and I will give you the first blow so that nobody can say I murdered you.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Badger3k wrote:Speaking of Cultural Appropriation (tm), from Will Shetterly (his is just a link to this) a story of two white manga artists who stopped their work after getting attacked by the SJWs white knighting. It's an interesting (if somewhat confusing since it uses twitter) read.
One of my childhood friends is a manga artist and now works in Tokyo for an independent publisher. Also, he's Tunisian and more than a bit brownish. I wonder what the SJWs would do with that...
It's ok to appropriate up, but not to appropriate down.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: So you are an anti-semite and and ignoramus
Tell me another epic poem about the time you fixed a computer, grandpa.

Actually your first image states everything about you:

"Behind every lie, a succession of people hide behind a pack haters".

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Guestus Aurelius wrote::lol: at HJ Hornbeck calling general relativity and quantum field theory easy.
In HJ's world, mathematics must be the easiest of all - after all, once you've learned to count, there must be nothing to it.

See, here's how easy it is:
Theorem: "There are numbers larger than 7."
Proof by example: 8
QED.

Take that, social scientists. Don't you wish you had it so good.

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Karmakin wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:Sagal has been the host since 1998 of Wait, Wait… Don’t Tell Me!, the Chicago Public Radio & NPR news-based comedy quiz show. The jokes on the show include the fake answers to multiple choice quizzes that occur throughout the hour, from which the contestants are supposed to select the one answer that sounds ridiculous but is actually true. In the show that aired today (March 7), two jokes caught my ear as Problematic (at least, PAPF...Problematic at Atheism Plus Forum):
Yup. This is long been one of my pet peeves. I listen to a fair number of podcasts, I used to listen to Wait, Wait...Don't Tell Me, then I realized how fucking hypocritical the whole exercise was and I stopped listening to it. Pop Culture Happy Hour is somewhat in the same vein, but that's even worse as they get political on things every now and then.

It's a very clear example of in-group/out-group bias. I mean, I listen to a lot of off-color podcasts. And there are racist/sexist jokes sometimes. But honestly it's generally ALWAYS framed as racist/sexist humor. Like there's a recognition that this is beyond the pale, we're just joking, we're complete and total assholes for saying this, and so on. (What's necessary IMO for a high quality off-color humorous podcast is a self-effacing sense of humor)

But the NPR stuff is just there. And often just put there as The Way Things Are. There's a very 50'ish vibe behind the whole proceeding, to be honest. In the absence of the culture wars I'd be OK with it. But it's not OK that this stuff slides under the radar while much less egregious examples of sexism and racism are blown up.

The Neo-Hipster culture, IMO has some pretty severe sexism/racism issues going on. It would be nice if they stop projecting said issues onto the rest of us.
NPR is dogshit.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: So you are an anti-semite and and ignoramus
Tell me another epic poem about the time you fixed a computer, grandpa.
I feel sorry for you because you probably have been abused and most likely sexually by someone in your family - probably your father.

The thing is I am not jealous of your inadequacy - as you would wish to trivialise mine.

I just hope you don't ever do to your kids what was done to you.

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Nec_V20 wrote:[
I feel sorry for you, your ancestors were either behind the levers gassing the victims or you would have been one of the those gassing
Why not both?

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Seriously, put your face where my fist is and I will give you the first blow so that nobody can say I murdered you.
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Nec_V20 wrote:
I feel sorry for you because you probably have been abused and most likely sexually by someone in your family - probably your father.

The thing is I am not jealous of your inadequacy - as you would wish to trivialise mine.

I just hope you don't ever do to your kids what was done to you.
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Nec_V20 wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: So you are an anti-semite and and ignoramus
Tell me another epic poem about the time you fixed a computer, grandpa.
I feel sorry for you because you probably have been abused and most likely sexually by someone in your family - probably your father.

The thing is I am not jealous of your inadequacy - as you would wish to trivialise mine.

I just hope you don't ever do to your kids what was done to you.
Man, only a person trained for years in the dark art of psychology could have come up with that deep deep, uh, stuff.

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Now that is the real 'furry sex', no costumes needed.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote:[
I feel sorry for you, your ancestors were either behind the levers gassing the victims or you would have been one of the those gassing
Why not both?

Seriously, put your face where my fist is and I will give you the first blow so that nobody can say I murdered you.
Your replies tell me more about you than any statement ever could.

I am pretty sure you would like me to put you out of your misery.

You strike me as the kind of person who would choose suicide by proxy rather than jumping off the bridge yourself.

You may hate yourself but you don't have the real power of your own convictions.

You don't want to die, but your suicidal tendencies force you to you posts.

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MacGruberKnows wrote:
JackSkeptic wrote:I had a Motherboard fault last night, maybe its catching. Anyway it is a common issue for my board so I fixed it. Eventually. After a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Of course I did not know how to fix it until after I fixed it and looked online to see how to fix it. But then as I fixed it I did not need to know how to fix it so I did not fix it then as I had already fixed it.
I would have just killed the motherboard and got a new one.
I was going to but my emphatic link stopped me. It would be like killing Steersman.

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Nec_V20 wrote: Your replies tell me more about you than any statement ever could.

I am pretty sure you would like me to put you out of your misery.

You strike me as the kind of person who would choose suicide by proxy rather than jumping off the bridge yourself.

You may hate yourself but you don't have the real power of your own convictions.

You don't want to die, but your suicidal tendencies force you to you posts.
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But as I was saying, I think there are similarities between SJWs and brownshirts that go beyond sharing an ideology of authoritarianism. The way that the national socialists modified german law (I'm still reading on this) are very similar to what SJWs want to do with US law. They don't care about due process or legal rights, in fact their ideal situation would be similar to nazi germany's Volksgerichthof (People's Court and no, not THAT one,) where the goal was not to obtain a just or correct verdict, but the verdict that best suited the needs of the national socialist party.

Look at feminists crying about rape cases in the courts. Look at the case of the student who faced problems in university for resembling a female classmate's rapist. Look at how college campuses are handling unproven accusations of sexual misconduct directed at male students by female students. Justice, truth and accuracy are not as important as the needs of the party. I can't remember which SJW it was who said that "men falsely accused of rape can sometimes learn from the experience." Yes, and no doubt the germans falsely accused of crimes against the state could "learn" from their own unjust imprisonment.

There are many forms of authoritarianism. Some are direct and employ direct force. But the national socialists took power in germany (AFAIK) with a combination of political pressure, opportunism and popular support. Hitler did not wish to openly be seen as destroying Germany's government. He made gradual changes in the interests of the political party, and kept the most egregious oversteps of power relatively hidden. Changes to the german court system, for example, were publicized mainly in legal documents read by other legal professionals, and were not typically mentioned in newspapers.

SJWs, like national socialists before them, dress up their authoritarianism as an interest in a "higher justice" which functions above and beyond the low realms of material "correct and incorrect" or "right and wrong." SJWs are therefore at odds with a legal system in which the accused have rights and reasonable doubt must be established. For national socialists, the higher justice was the needs of the country. For SJWs, their higher justice is the needs of TEH OPPRESSED. In the name of The Oppressed, any manner of unjust, violent or deplorable act may be supported. And those who have been identified as Oppressors, well, much like Jews or traitors to the state, they have no need of legal rights.

Give SJWs the power that the national socialist party in Germany enjoyed and I am fairly certain we will see similar atrocities. Perhaps less violent because SJWs are pussies, although violence by proxy has been a favored SJW method in the past. And some of them seem rather unhinged, mentally.

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James Caruthers wrote:... I can't remember which SJW it was who said that "men falsely accused of rape can sometimes learn from the experience." ...
Tracking it back, here's the source, a TIME magazine article from 6/2001:
Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar, also sees some value in this loose use of "rape." She says angry victims of various forms of sexual intimidation cry rape to regain their sense of power. "To use the word carefully would be to be careful for the sake of the violator, and the survivors don't care a hoot about him." Comins argues that men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. "They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. 'How do I see women?' 'If I didn't violate her, could I have?' 'Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?' Those are good questions."

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False accusations are okay when they serve the goals of the Volksgemeinschaft!

Oh sorry, I mean "when they serve the goals of social justice."

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James Caruthers:
"men falsely accused of rape can sometimes learn from the experience."
I think that's one of the most infuriating of their concepts. What in the fuck makes them think that the wrongfully accused would ever even have entertained the thought of raping someone, and that the accused could learn from the experience? Learn what, exactly? That SJWs are fucking lunatics? Oh, that's right, Schroedinger's Rapist. Which is another of the most infuriating concepts paraded by these clowns. Really, it's about time SPLC dug a bit deeper into the SJW movement and rightfully classify them as a hate group. They wouldn't get away with this kind of shit if contemporary US politics weren't so PC.

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I feel like men would probably prefer to learn from other experiences.

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'sup playahs?

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So Peez actually took his wife on a date night to American Sniper.

And he liked it.

Horde draws a deep breath. And follows the leader.

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bhoytony wrote:
Gefan wrote:Once you get past the hipster haircut and beard (it took me about ten minutes to stop laughing) I'd be interested in our Chill Girl contingent's reaction to this:

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" Can I take a shit on your chest?"
Funnily enough that's one of the few things I *always* ask consent for during sex.

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