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Badger3k wrote:
debaser71 wrote: That makes sense but outside the gaming circle (which to me seems like everyone I know personally) what the mainstream media says about gamergate is just taken as fact. This all plays into the larger issue that liberals seem to always be falling to recently, "the war on women". From STEM to games to atheism to salary to bodily autonomy to street harassment to manspreading...there's a war on women don'tchaknow! In this respect, to me, GG fails. GG is just more proof of misogyny in our culture! I guess it could be worse and I suppose I am glad it isn't but I was never worried. Maybe I should have been?
I've been demonized since the seventies, for being nerdy/geeky, for being smart, for reading a lot, for liking comics, war-games and role-playing games, now it's video and free speech. The mainstream media can fuck itself. We've beaten BADD, Jack Thomspn, Lieberman, others too numerous to mention. We'll beat this parasitical infection, and if most people don't understand it, or think poorly, screw them. I'm a progressive atheist in Texas. The majority of people, the ones who get ideas from mainstream media, haven't been an issue. The whole idea of "get to know an X", where X could be anything from homosexual to atheist to anything at all, applies. A few morons will listen and believe, but the majority of people know gamers - far more of them than atheists or gays. Odds are, if they don't play, their kids do, or their friends, or other relatives. That will counter anything the loons in journalism or politics try to do. Besides, this is the mainstream media that reported Elfwick seriously. Twice.
What's so special about this particular (SJW) brand of demonizing games and gamers? If nothing, then I guess my somewhat apathetic attitude toward GG and anti-GG's is right in line with history. Yeah, we've been here before. So why again is GG a win? They only did what we've always done. I guess compared to how some atheists/skeptic rolled over and capitulated, GG (by comparison) is a win? I'd call it a punt or whatever. A non-win but not a loss. Anyway no response required, I'm just thinking about thing aloud.

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Hunt wrote:
Guest wrote: Oh, you need social justice warriors more attuned to what's what.

blogs.plos.org/absolutely-maybe/2015/06/22/just-joking-sexist-talk-in-science/

That it was a joke is just as bad as if he were serious.
Jokes alter the minds of sexists.
Jokes diminish their victims.
It really doesn't matter that he was joking.

Makes me wonder what these folks think of violent, sexist video games.
The study they always trot out really annoys. Or rather, not the study itself, but how they think they're making use of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121541

So sexist (racist) humor can make already highly prejudiced people express sexism (racism) more frequently, supposedly it works to "normalize" sexism or racism. I have no objection to this on its face; however at the outset, they seek to use it to curb speech because of how others might interpret/misinterpret it, which is a "problematic" precedent to say the least. Second, it can be used to suppress even innocuous, silly and stupid sexist humor, "benign" sexism, which I think is a thing. There's no line demarcating what is and isn't acceptable. So when I attended a biology class and the instructor (a woman, if it's relevant) asked "can we tell the difference between male and female sperm?" and I said "female sperm ask for directions" this was sexist and supposedly damaging. I should have been punished. Instead the entire class (mostly women) had a hearty laugh.

The irony is that all it does is release bigots to express their bigotry. It doesn't actually make anyone a bigot. Just like computer games don't make people killers.

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Tribble wrote:
Hunt wrote:
Guest wrote: Oh, you need social justice warriors more attuned to what's what.

blogs.plos.org/absolutely-maybe/2015/06/22/just-joking-sexist-talk-in-science/

That it was a joke is just as bad as if he were serious.
Jokes alter the minds of sexists.
Jokes diminish their victims.
It really doesn't matter that he was joking.

Makes me wonder what these folks think of violent, sexist video games.
The study they always trot out really annoys. Or rather, not the study itself, but how they think they're making use of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121541

So sexist (racist) humor can make already highly prejudiced people express sexism (racism) more frequently, supposedly it works to "normalize" sexism or racism. I have no objection to this on its face; however at the outset, they seek to use it to curb speech because of how others might interpret/misinterpret it, which is a "problematic" precedent to say the least. Second, it can be used to suppress even innocuous, silly and stupid sexist humor, "benign" sexism, which I think is a thing. There's no line demarcating what is and isn't acceptable. So when I attended a biology class and the instructor (a woman, if it's relevant) asked "can we tell the difference between male and female sperm?" and I said "female sperm ask for directions" this was sexist and supposedly damaging. I should have been punished. Instead the entire class (mostly women) had a hearty laugh.

The irony is that all it does is release bigots to express their bigotry. It doesn't actually make anyone a bigot. Just like computer games don't make people killers.
Exactly. Making tongue in cheek jokes about the FTB analogy between Nazis and the Slymepit and publishing Nazi/White Supremacist cartoons to keep up with the jokes doesn't make us nazis or white supremacists. Thed only effect it had was to convince gullible Nazis/white supremacists like Jasper or GerardO/unihiddenness to interact with us because they thought/think we could be easy pickings. We made fun of them and Jesper took his pills while G/u still strolls by twitter and occasionally the Friendly Atheist.

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Service Dog wrote: Everything about Aron Ra... from his kewl nym to his kewl facial hair & fashion... to his Wayne's World public access show... to his pedantic way of talking... to this poseur gesture with a flag...

Indicates he is a precious teenage rebel trapped in Herman Munster's body. Trans*d00d.

His pronouns are I, me, & me me me.
Ra always struck me as a pretentious, 17 year-old blowhard. His recent exegesis on sexual attraction being one excruciating, face-palming example.

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If I followed this clown's advice I'd have no IT/IS department. I hope he doesn't go hatin' on The Asian too, or that our entire accounting and tax teams done for!
You still might not have an accounting department, after the Muslims in IT/IS blow it up.

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McEwen continues her war against socialist Bernie Sanders. This time his crime is that his campaign team released an ad that claimed that Bernie was for gay marriage back in the 70's but the document that Sanders wrote back then that accompanied the ad doesn't mention gay marriage but talks about the decriminalization of homosexuality. Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time. Somehow in McEwen logic this doesn't make Hillary cynical or duplicitous at all but is instead an indictment of Sanders and patriarchy.
It's plainly nuts.

I'm not a Hillary hater. She'll probably be the nominee and I'll probably vote for her, but McEwen is going to make sure that I do it with a bitter taste in my mouth.

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The Daily Beast (can't link) has another story on a #wrongskin woman, this one passing herself off as Cherokee.

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katamari Damassi wrote:Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time.
Damn, Im impressed by Obama's power. I mean he was able to force Hillary, then a First Lady and candidate for US Senate, to oppose marriage equality back in 2000 when he was merely a State Senator for Illinois. And he did it again in 2003, when she was a sitting US Senator and he was still just a State Senator.

Did he do this with his time machine? You know the one he used to plant his fraudulent birth certificate in the HI archives and those birth announcements?

:D

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Service Dog wrote:
Charles MacGruder wrote:I don't disagree with Ra here. Just that from certain perspectives of "isms" and applying them consistently, this looks extremely classist:
Everything about Aron Ra... from his kewl nym to his kewl facial hair & fashion... to his Wayne's World public access show... to his pedantic way of talking... to this poseur gesture with a flag...

Indicates he is a precious teenage rebel trapped in Herman Munster's body. Trans*d00d.

His pronouns are I, me, & me me me.

Wait. I thought we were suppose respect different cultures even if we didn't agree with them?

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Dave wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time.
Damn, Im impressed by Obama's power. I mean he was able to force Hillary, then a First Lady and candidate for US Senate, to oppose marriage equality back in 2000 when he was merely a State Senator for Illinois. And he did it again in 2003, when she was a sitting US Senator and he was still just a State Senator.

Did he do this with his time machine? You know the one he used to plant his fraudulent birth certificate in the HI archives and those birth announcements?

:D
Obama is a Time Lord.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1KPP6gCAAAyQB9.jpg

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katamari Damassi wrote:McEwen continues her war against socialist Bernie Sanders. This time his crime is that his campaign team released an ad that claimed that Bernie was for gay marriage back in the 70's but the document that Sanders wrote back then that accompanied the ad doesn't mention gay marriage but talks about the decriminalization of homosexuality. Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time. Somehow in McEwen logic this doesn't make Hillary cynical or duplicitous at all but is instead an indictment of Sanders and patriarchy.
It's plainly nuts.

I'm not a Hillary hater. She'll probably be the nominee and I'll probably vote for her, but McEwen is going to make sure that I do it with a bitter taste in my mouth.
McEwan can make anyone hate any candidate she supports. We have to convince her to support Marco Rubio. It shouldn't be too hard, Hispanic people are POCs, aren't they?

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:The Daily Beast (can't link) has another story on a #wrongskin woman, this one passing herself off as Cherokee.

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This?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... lezal.html
Andrea Smith is a Native American activist and academic hailed for her Cherokee heritage. One small problem: She's not Cherokee.
Andrea Smith—an associate professor at University of California, Riverside, the founder of INCITE! Women of Color Against Violence, and a leading Native American studies scholar and activist—may not, in fact, be a Cherokee woman, despite repeatedly presenting herself as such since at least 1991.....

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Dave wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time.
Damn, Im impressed by Obama's power. I mean he was able to force Hillary, then a First Lady and candidate for US Senate, to oppose marriage equality back in 2000 when he was merely a State Senator for Illinois. And he did it again in 2003, when she was a sitting US Senator and he was still just a State Senator.

Did he do this with his time machine? You know the one he used to plant his fraudulent birth certificate in the HI archives and those birth announcements?

:D


You have the admit the man is quiet powerful and amazing even you don't like him.

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comhcinc wrote:
Shatterface as Guest wrote:The Daily Beast (can't link) has another story on a #wrongskin woman, this one passing herself off as Cherokee.

Shatterface
This?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... lezal.html
Andrea Smith is a Native American activist and academic hailed for her Cherokee heritage. One small problem: She's not Cherokee.
Andrea Smith—an associate professor at University of California, Riverside, the founder of INCITE! Women of Color Against Violence, and a leading Native American studies scholar and activist—may not, in fact, be a Cherokee woman, despite repeatedly presenting herself as such since at least 1991.....
Are we sure we haven't accidentally doxxed Caine?

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From the link which comhcinc posted:

[quote=Andrea Smith]“When white ‘feminists’ see how white people have historically oppressed others and how they are coming very close to destroying the earth, they often want to disassociate themselves from their whiteness. They do this by opting to ‘become Indian.’ … Of course, white ‘feminists’ want to become only partly Indian. They do not want to be a part of our struggles for survival against genocide…”[/quote]

Top kek!

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Kirbmarc wrote:From the link which comhcinc posted:
“When white ‘feminists’ see how white people have historically oppressed others and how they are coming very close to destroying the earth, they often want to disassociate themselves from their whiteness. They do this by opting to ‘become Indian.’ … Of course, white ‘feminists’ want to become only partly Indian. They do not want to be a part of our struggles for survival against genocide…”
Top kek!
I am really more interested in Women of All Red Nations. I thought it was a sin to call a native red?

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comhcinc wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:From the link which comhcinc posted:
“When white ‘feminists’ see how white people have historically oppressed others and how they are coming very close to destroying the earth, they often want to disassociate themselves from their whiteness. They do this by opting to ‘become Indian.’ … Of course, white ‘feminists’ want to become only partly Indian. They do not want to be a part of our struggles for survival against genocide…”
Top kek!
I am really more interested in Women of All Red Nations. I thought it was a sin to call a native red?
It's cultural reappropriation. Although it seems a moot point for Andrea Smith since she seems not to have native american heritage after all.

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comhcinc wrote: You have the admit the man is quiet powerful and amazing even you don't like him.
I find it fascinating that there seems to be a correlation between how much someone doesnt like him and how powerful that person thinks he is.

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Kirbmarc wrote: It's cultural reappropriation. Although it seems a moot point for Andrea Smith since she seems not to have native american heritage after all.
I don't think so. I looked it up and they were started in the 70s back when things like that didn't matter to people (not that it really matters now to people)

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Christ, Phil Plait is a sanctimonious asshole. I shan't even link to his recent Tim Hunt piece. What a spineless unskeptical bully.

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debaser71 wrote:What's so special about this particular (SJW) brand of demonizing games and gamers? If nothing, then I guess my somewhat apathetic attitude toward GG and anti-GG's is right in line with history. Yeah, we've been here before. So why again is GG a win? They only did what we've always done. I guess compared to how some atheists/skeptic rolled over and capitulated, GG (by comparison) is a win? I'd call it a punt or whatever. A non-win but not a loss. Anyway no response required, I'm just thinking about thing aloud.
The main difference between the SJWs demonizing gamers, nerds, etc and the previous attempts is that when before, gaming media and gaming journalists would firmly stand on the side with gamers and the game industry - people like Thompson were ridiculed by gaming media when he complained about death threats - now the game journalists themselves are SJWs and lead the attack on the medium and industry.

You seem very hung up on the idea about gamers being demonized in mainstream media, GG never had the goal of making mainstream media report favorably on gamers and gaming. Gamers are used to that shit, and mostly point and laugh - what gamers were not used to was that their own journalists and their own gaming news sites started calling gamers the scum of the earth and expressing a deep, ideologically driven hatred for anything that wasn't coming from a small clique of indie devs that the gaming journalist happened to be close friends with...

GGs goal was to kick gaming media in their nuts - to get them to either shape up or to lose their influence - and in that regard GG has been a win in many various ways. They've hurt shitty gaming media financially, they've gotten several sites to actually rethink and rewrite their ethics policies, there's a whole lot more disclosing conflicts of interests going on these days, and the gaming media is a lot more aware today that it's not ok having a journalist write an article about her roommate's game.

GG also sent a much needed message to the game companies and game developers - that the SJW journalists where a small minority, and that their ideology were not shared by most gamers. The last few weeks there's been several actual game devs coming "out of the closet" and openly mocking the SJWs - a fairly clear sign that the SJW influence isn't what it used to be.

Looking at the larger picture, people in general is becoming more and more aware of the SJWs - and pushing back against them - and GG has had a big part in that.

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Dave wrote:
comhcinc wrote: You have the admit the man is quiet powerful and amazing even you don't like him.
I find it fascinating that there seems to be a correlation between how much someone doesnt like him and how powerful that person thinks he is.
I find it fascinating the correlation between how much someone doesn't like any president and how powerful that person thinks he is.

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Hunt wrote:The study they always trot out really annoys. Or rather, not the study itself, but how they think they're making use of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121541

So sexist (racist) humor can make already highly prejudiced people express sexism (racism) more frequently, supposedly it works to "normalize" sexism or racism. I have no objection to this on its face; however at the outset, they seek to use it to curb speech because of how others might interpret/misinterpret it, which is a "problematic" precedent to say the least. Second, it can be used to suppress even innocuous, silly and stupid sexist humor, "benign" sexism, which I think is a thing. There's no line demarcating what is and isn't acceptable. So when I attended a biology class and the instructor (a woman, if it's relevant) asked "can we tell the difference between male and female sperm?" and I said "female sperm ask for directions" this was sexist and supposedly damaging. I should have been punished. Instead the entire class (mostly women) had a hearty laugh.
What's really missing, in my opinion, are any tests for what some call "discriminant validity"; i.e., before jumping up and down about the sequelae or consequences or effects of some stimulus, such as sexist or racist humor, you need to see what other stimuli have the same effects. When you learn, for example, that highly prejudiced people express sexism and racism more frequently after seeing the target of their bigotry on television, especially when said target is depicted as being wealthy, you become much less likely to interpret the finding as support for the idea that banning the stimulus is the correct thing to do.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Service Dog wrote: Everything about Aron Ra... from his kewl nym to his kewl facial hair & fashion... to his Wayne's World public access show... to his pedantic way of talking... to this poseur gesture with a flag...

Indicates he is a precious teenage rebel trapped in Herman Munster's body. Trans*d00d.

His pronouns are I, me, & me me me.
Ra always struck me as a pretentious, 17 year-old blowhard. His recent exegesis on sexual attraction being one excruciating, face-palming example.

The funny thing is, he had a great series of videos that got him some popularity (and I really liked them). But once he moved away from the easy, well-documented evolutionary arguments made against the low-hanging creationist fruit he was dealing some of the things he was saying were kind of dumb. Which raised my suspicions that he was cribbing from other sources rather than demonstrating a true, educated perspective.

However, it wasn't until he went full retard with his 'men are half women' thing that I became certain he was yet another shallow ideologue who talks his position but doesn't really examine his own positions. Because, to me at least, that idiotic remark only served to illustrate that however he made those videos, it wasn't because he had a deep or complex understanding of biology and evolution.

And since then, I've seen more and more vapid, po-mo/feminist horseshit come out of his mouth; to the point I have lost all respect for him.

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Tribble wrote:However, it wasn't until he went full retard with his 'men are half women' thing that I became certain he was yet another shallow ideologue who talks his position but doesn't really examine his own positions. Because, to me at least, that idiotic remark only served to illustrate that however he made those videos, it wasn't because he had a deep or complex understanding of biology and evolution.
Well, in my opinion, Aron Ra was making a deep and complex point with his "men are half women" claim. The only problem that I saw was this is the well-known existence of Barr Bodies, suggesting that "women are half women," as well.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Hunt wrote:The study they always trot out really annoys. Or rather, not the study itself, but how they think they're making use of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121541

So sexist (racist) humor can make already highly prejudiced people express sexism (racism) more frequently, supposedly it works to "normalize" sexism or racism. I have no objection to this on its face; however at the outset, they seek to use it to curb speech because of how others might interpret/misinterpret it, which is a "problematic" precedent to say the least. Second, it can be used to suppress even innocuous, silly and stupid sexist humor, "benign" sexism, which I think is a thing. There's no line demarcating what is and isn't acceptable. So when I attended a biology class and the instructor (a woman, if it's relevant) asked "can we tell the difference between male and female sperm?" and I said "female sperm ask for directions" this was sexist and supposedly damaging. I should have been punished. Instead the entire class (mostly women) had a hearty laugh.
What's really missing, in my opinion, are any tests for what some call "discriminant validity"; i.e., before jumping up and down about the sequelae or consequences or effects of some stimulus, such as sexist or racist humor, you need to see what other stimuli have the same effects. When you learn, for example, that highly prejudiced people express sexism and racism more frequently after seeing the target of their bigotry on television, especially when said target is depicted as being wealthy, you become much less likely to interpret the finding as support for the idea that banning the stimulus is the correct thing to do.

FWIW, Hunt, in more recent work, seems to be of the opinion it doesn't 'cause anything' but does allow bigots to 'unrepress' their bigotry and expose it. Which I think is a good thing because the dog whistle stuff often goes past me IRL.

Or as (I'm sure) Steersman would say: It's always good to know where the nigger in the woodpile is, because them niggers is crafty... :twisted:

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Tribble wrote:However, it wasn't until he went full retard with his 'men are half women' thing that I became certain he was yet another shallow ideologue who talks his position but doesn't really examine his own positions. Because, to me at least, that idiotic remark only served to illustrate that however he made those videos, it wasn't because he had a deep or complex understanding of biology and evolution.
Well, in my opinion, Aron Ra was making a deep and complex point with his "men are half women" claim. The only problem that I saw was this is the well-known existence of Barr Bodies, suggesting that "women are half women," as well.
Not really. It's shallow and trite and been done-to-death since at least the 1960s and is based on a shallow and trite understanding of genetics by people who live in the po-mo world. Or are just completely ass-ignorant. And since he's confirmed he lives in the po-mo, ignorant-ass world, I have no reason to believe anything but yet another superficial, shallow load of feminist/po-mo horsecrap that is, as the expression goes, 'not even wrong.'

And he did claim it was a 'scientific fact.' Which is bullshit.

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Tribble wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
Tribble wrote:However, it wasn't until he went full retard with his 'men are half women' thing that I became certain he was yet another shallow ideologue who talks his position but doesn't really examine his own positions. Because, to me at least, that idiotic remark only served to illustrate that however he made those videos, it wasn't because he had a deep or complex understanding of biology and evolution.
Well, in my opinion, Aron Ra was making a deep and complex point with his "men are half women" claim. The only problem that I saw was this is the well-known existence of Barr Bodies, suggesting that "women are half women," as well.
Not really. It's shallow and trite and been done-to-death since at least the 1960s and is based on a shallow and trite understanding of genetics by people who live in the po-mo world. Or are just completely ass-ignorant. And since he's confirmed he lives in the po-mo, ignorant-ass world, I have no reason to believe anything but yet another superficial, shallow load of feminist/po-mo horsecrap that is, as the expression goes, 'not even wrong.'

And he did claim it was a 'scientific fact.' Which is bullshit.
Once again, I have failed to make it clear when I'm being serious and when I'm being sarcastic. Maybe I should just choose one and stick with it.

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acathode wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:Should have linked it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/

They cover all the activities and post the latest news, they also organize emails to sponsors and advertisers etc.
Unfortunately, they don't anymore since Reddit admins threatened to ban the whole subreddit. The admins claimed that posting the email-addresses to companies customer service where the same thing as instigating witch-hunts (which is against Reddit's global rules)...

The whole thing was obvious bullshit, as the admins are fine and even approve of other subs that do the same exact same thing - but since KiAs campaigns were actually very successful, and were having an actual economic impact on several companies, it had to go no matter what, since the Reddit top brass, including the admins, lean quite heavily SJW, and they are also currently are very busy trying to tidy Reddit up to make it appealing to companies...
They can still plan their next move on reddit then they carry it out on.

https://voat.co/v/KotakuInAction

You don't even have to get involved, just read both subforums as they are very lulz worthy in their own right. Twitter is where most of the nastiness takes place.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Once again, I have failed to make it clear when I'm being serious and when I'm being sarcastic. Maybe I should just choose one and stick with it.
I got ya, but I believe you have me blocked right?

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Really the only youtuber who has yet to really disappoint me in any way is potholer. Well, not counting the disappointment that comes from knowing how long it'll be before he does another video.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:McEwen continues her war against socialist Bernie Sanders. This time his crime is that his campaign team released an ad that claimed that Bernie was for gay marriage back in the 70's but the document that Sanders wrote back then that accompanied the ad doesn't mention gay marriage but talks about the decriminalization of homosexuality. Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time. Somehow in McEwen logic this doesn't make Hillary cynical or duplicitous at all but is instead an indictment of Sanders and patriarchy.
It's plainly nuts.

I'm not a Hillary hater. She'll probably be the nominee and I'll probably vote for her, but McEwen is going to make sure that I do it with a bitter taste in my mouth.
McEwan can make anyone hate any candidate she supports. We have to convince her to support Marco Rubio. It shouldn't be too hard, Hispanic people are POCs, aren't they?
Check your calendar as that was last week. They are patriarchy shitlords again this week. :snooty:

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Dave wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:Meanwhile, the fact that Hillary said she was against gay marriage until only a couple of years ago was something that Obama made her do(not kidding), and she's been pro marriage the whole time.
Damn, Im impressed by Obama's power. I mean he was able to force Hillary, then a First Lady and candidate for US Senate, to oppose marriage equality back in 2000 when he was merely a State Senator for Illinois. And he did it again in 2003, when she was a sitting US Senator and he was still just a State Senator.

Did he do this with his time machine? You know the one he used to plant his fraudulent birth certificate in the HI archives and those birth announcements?

:D
Hang on, McEwan believes that Obama forced Hillary to be anti-gay marriage for 15 years? :shock:

Wait, what?

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DaveDodo007 wrote:They can still plan their next move on reddit then they carry it out on.

https://voat.co/v/KotakuInAction

You don't even have to get involved, just read both subforums as they are very lulz worthy in their own right. Twitter is where most of the nastiness takes place.
Oh I know, I lurk KiA almost as much as I lurk the pit these days - just pointing out that unfortunately Reddit admins defanged KiA/GGs most effective weapon. When they still were doing the email campaigns, they were having a very real economic impact on the sites that they were targeting, and the gaming journalists were squealing like little piggies for ever advertiser that withdrew their ads - now much of that momentum has been lost and GG/KiA have become more of a watchdog thing.

In the end I guess this development was inevitable anyway, but the admins basically threatening to ban the whole subreddit if they continued campaigning accelerated it very much.

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Billie from Ockham wrote: Once again, I have failed to make it clear when I'm being serious and when I'm being sarcastic. Maybe I should just choose one and stick with it.
No, to be certain it's part of your charm. I think people get it most of the time, and anyway, it's good to leave 'em guessing. A sense of certainty about things isn't always good.

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Greta XXXtina calls for progressives to stop calling for people to die in fires. It may still be OK to tell them to rape themselves anally with a rotten porcupine though as long as it isn't fatal or done violently and is "punching up"?
https://archive.is/uUSfl
A commenter gives another reason why it is counter productive:

brucegee1962 says

July 1, 2015 at 1:27 pm

Good post. Another good argument is that these right-wing bigots whom we criticize are desperate to claim martyrvictim status for themselves. Tweeting threats at them just makes it easier for them to do so, which in turn makes it easier to justify their own hatred to themselves, and reduces the chances of them or their followers ever questioning their own beliefs from negligible to zero.

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Tribble wrote:
Hunt wrote:
The study they always trot out really annoys. Or rather, not the study itself, but how they think they're making use of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121541

So sexist (racist) humor can make already highly prejudiced people express sexism (racism) more frequently, supposedly it works to "normalize" sexism or racism. I have no objection to this on its face; however at the outset, they seek to use it to curb speech because of how others might interpret/misinterpret it, which is a "problematic" precedent to say the least. Second, it can be used to suppress even innocuous, silly and stupid sexist humor, "benign" sexism, which I think is a thing. There's no line demarcating what is and isn't acceptable. So when I attended a biology class and the instructor (a woman, if it's relevant) asked "can we tell the difference between male and female sperm?" and I said "female sperm ask for directions" this was sexist and supposedly damaging. I should have been punished. Instead the entire class (mostly women) had a hearty laugh.

The irony is that all it does is release bigots to express their bigotry. It doesn't actually make anyone a bigot. Just like computer games don't make people killers.
I would argue that's a good thing. I want bigots and racists to feel free to spew their vile filth so that I can then identify them as what they are. Much better imo than driving racism underground where can thrive as it masks itself as something else to fool another generation of young people.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Service Dog wrote: Everything about Aron Ra... from his kewl nym to his kewl facial hair & fashion... to his Wayne's World public access show... to his pedantic way of talking... to this poseur gesture with a flag...

Indicates he is a precious teenage rebel trapped in Herman Munster's body. Trans*d00d.

His pronouns are I, me, & me me me.
Ra always struck me as a pretentious, 17 year-old blowhard. His recent exegesis on sexual attraction being one excruciating, face-palming example.
Oh whatever, guiz. He might be SJW scum, but I still like his series on creationism.

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Sunder wrote:Really the only youtuber who has yet to really disappoint me in any way is potholer. Well, not counting the disappointment that comes from knowing how long it'll be before he does another video.
Probably some of the best videos on youtube, in terms of the combination of information and humor.

It's very telling he hasn't involved himself in the atheism drama, or really any drama.

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Pitchguest wrote:
Hang on, McEwan believes that Obama forced Hillary to be anti-gay marriage for 15 years? :shock:

Wait, what?
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/06/i-se ... e.html?m=1

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A good post on tech raptor countering the PC Master Race is Racist bit: http://techraptor.net/content/pcmasterrace-explained

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James Caruthers wrote:
Tribble wrote:
Hunt wrote:
The study they always trot out really annoys. Or rather, not the study itself, but how they think they're making use of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121541

So sexist (racist) humor can make already highly prejudiced people express sexism (racism) more frequently, supposedly it works to "normalize" sexism or racism. I have no objection to this on its face; however at the outset, they seek to use it to curb speech because of how others might interpret/misinterpret it, which is a "problematic" precedent to say the least. Second, it can be used to suppress even innocuous, silly and stupid sexist humor, "benign" sexism, which I think is a thing. There's no line demarcating what is and isn't acceptable. So when I attended a biology class and the instructor (a woman, if it's relevant) asked "can we tell the difference between male and female sperm?" and I said "female sperm ask for directions" this was sexist and supposedly damaging. I should have been punished. Instead the entire class (mostly women) had a hearty laugh.

The irony is that all it does is release bigots to express their bigotry. It doesn't actually make anyone a bigot. Just like computer games don't make people killers.
I would argue that's a good thing. I want bigots and racists to feel free to spew their vile filth so that I can then identify them as what they are. Much better imo than driving racism underground where can thrive as it masks itself as something else to fool another generation of young people.
Something else like spinning dancer illusions :whistle: ?

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
Hang on, McEwan believes that Obama forced Hillary to be anti-gay marriage for 15 years? :shock:

Wait, what?
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/06/i-se ... e.html?m=1
Straight from the horse's mouth:
Melissa McEwan wrote:Never mind that we know her opposition was likely a condition of her employment with the administration, as Vice President Joe Biden was roundly criticized for going "off-script" when he came out in favor of same-sex marriage, thus forcing President Obama's hand. But Obama always allowed Clinton the freedom to advance queer rights via the State Department, and she ran with it. Anyway.)
Yes, McEwan seems to believe that Clinton's opposition of gay marriage was all Obama's fault.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Greta XXXtina calls for progressives to stop calling for people to die in fires. It may still be OK to tell them to rape themselves anally with a rotten porcupine though as long as it isn't fatal or done violently and is "punching up"?
https://archive.is/uUSfl
While I don't agree with alot of her minor points I have to give it to her. It was well written and over all I agree with her main point. Good for her.

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comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Greta XXXtina calls for progressives to stop calling for people to die in fires. It may still be OK to tell them to rape themselves anally with a rotten porcupine though as long as it isn't fatal or done violently and is "punching up"?
https://archive.is/uUSfl
While I don't agree with alot of her minor points I have to give it to her. It was well written and over all I agree with her main point. Good for her.
I'd rather they just say what they are really feeling rather than having a protocol. As James stated above, when you discourage outward expression, it simply drives these things underground. Secondly, it makes it clear to the independent observer which party is batshit crazy, and third, I always count it as a win when they tell me to die in a fire. They really should consider the poor lulz.

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comhcinc wrote:
Dave wrote: I find it fascinating that there seems to be a correlation between how much someone doesnt like him and how powerful that person thinks he is.
I find it fascinating the correlation between how much someone doesn't like any president and how powerful that person thinks he is.
Fair point.

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Tribble wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Service Dog wrote: Everything about Aron Ra... from his kewl nym to his kewl facial hair & fashion... to his Wayne's World public access show... to his pedantic way of talking... to this poseur gesture with a flag...

Indicates he is a precious teenage rebel trapped in Herman Munster's body. Trans*d00d.

His pronouns are I, me, & me me me.
Ra always struck me as a pretentious, 17 year-old blowhard. His recent exegesis on sexual attraction being one excruciating, face-palming example.

The funny thing is, he had a great series of videos that got him some popularity (and I really liked them). But once he moved away from the easy, well-documented evolutionary arguments made against the low-hanging creationist fruit he was dealing some of the things he was saying were kind of dumb. Which raised my suspicions that he was cribbing from other sources rather than demonstrating a true, educated perspective.

However, it wasn't until he went full retard with his 'men are half women' thing that I became certain he was yet another shallow ideologue who talks his position but doesn't really examine his own positions. Because, to me at least, that idiotic remark only served to illustrate that however he made those videos, it wasn't because he had a deep or complex understanding of biology and evolution.

And since then, I've seen more and more vapid, po-mo/feminist horseshit come out of his mouth; to the point I have lost all respect for him.
It's an interesting thing, I think, when seemingly bright people with STEM sympathies but little hands-on experience in the humanities start to go SJW.

They think of themselves as skeptics because they believe in science and spurn claptrap. They become accustomed, I suspect, to being right. It feels so damn good to be right, doesn't it? To be right and confident? To feel like you're making the world a better place by promoting truth? To know that there's a Right Answer out there, and to know how to find it? To effortlessly dismiss bullshit and mercilessly ridicule its harmful peddlers by appealing to the Consensus of Experts?

And why should they be any less confident about their rightness when it comes to philosophy or politics or anything else? Being wrong is for the stupid people who believe in bullshit and don't know how to find the Right Answer. Being wrong makes the world a worse place!

So, what's the Right Answer? Just listen to the Experts.

Who are the Experts?

Well, are there Professional Academic Scholars with PhD's who publish in Peer-Reviewed Journals on the topic? If so, then surely they're the Experts, and we shouldn't deny their Consensus. After all, that's what we preach when it comes to science—trust the PhD's. Why should it be any different in the humanities? Doctorates are prestigious, and they don't just hand them out to ideologically compromised nincompoops who aren't well-trained in Objectively Finding the Right Answer. The supposed "liberal bias in higher education" is mere conspiratorial bullshit from right-wing extremists who don't believe in global warming or evolution. If there is a liberal bias in higher education, then it's only because the truth has a liberal bias!

And if you're not really the type of skeptic who investigates Professional Scholarly Academic Research first-hand, then you can spot Experts (on social media, say) by their tone. They'll be like you: confident, outspoken, outraged, and belittling as fuck, since that's how Good and Right People behave when smacking down harmful bullshit. Now there's an Expert! There's someone who knows exactly where the line in the sand is that separates Wrong-and-Harmful from Right-and-Good.

Okay, maybe I'm just blowing smoke. Overconfidence and simplistic thinking are, of course, pretty universal.

But when I see "skeptics" like Phil Plait and Sean Carroll throw all caution to the wind when there's a chance to show that they "support the cause" by actively participating in vicious public shaming campaigns and mindlessly parroting vapid cliches and unsupported claims, I do scratch my head.

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comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Greta XXXtina calls for progressives to stop calling for people to die in fires. It may still be OK to tell them to rape themselves anally with a rotten porcupine though as long as it isn't fatal or done violently and is "punching up"?
https://archive.is/uUSfl
While I don't agree with alot of her minor points I have to give it to her. It was well written and over all I agree with her main point. Good for her.
Well you have been wanting to give it to her for some time.

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katamari Damassi wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Greta XXXtina calls for progressives to stop calling for people to die in fires. It may still be OK to tell them to rape themselves anally with a rotten porcupine though as long as it isn't fatal or done violently and is "punching up"?
https://archive.is/uUSfl
While I don't agree with alot of her minor points I have to give it to her. It was well written and over all I agree with her main point. Good for her.
Well you have been wanting to give it to her for some time.
She is hot in a weird way but that is beside the point. I agree with her overall point which to me is it's not okay when we do it. I doubt it will gain much traction with her audience.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
James Caruthers wrote: I would argue that's a good thing. I want bigots and racists to feel free to spew their vile filth so that I can then identify them as what they are. Much better imo than driving racism underground where can thrive as it masks itself as something else to fool another generation of young people.
Something else like spinning dancer illusions :whistle: ?
No, it has to be something that can actually fool people, like cherry-picked crime statistics or white birth rates. :dance:

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Tribble wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
Tribble wrote:However, it wasn't until he went full retard with his 'men are half women' thing that I became certain he was yet another shallow ideologue who talks his position but doesn't really examine his own positions. Because, to me at least, that idiotic remark only served to illustrate that however he made those videos, it wasn't because he had a deep or complex understanding of biology and evolution.
Well, in my opinion, Aron Ra was making a deep and complex point with his "men are half women" claim. The only problem that I saw was this is the well-known existence of Barr Bodies, suggesting that "women are half women," as well.
Not really. It's shallow and trite and been done-to-death since at least the 1960s and is based on a shallow and trite understanding of genetics by people who live in the po-mo world. Or are just completely ass-ignorant. And since he's confirmed he lives in the po-mo, ignorant-ass world, I have no reason to believe anything but yet another superficial, shallow load of feminist/po-mo horsecrap that is, as the expression goes, 'not even wrong.'

And he did claim it was a 'scientific fact.' Which is bullshit.
Tru dat.

If you can't tell the difference between autosomal and sex chromosomes, or don't understand how Barr Bodies work, then stop passing yourself off as some skepticism/science authority.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
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Once again, I have failed to make it clear when I'm being serious and when I'm being sarcastic. Maybe I should just choose one and stick with it.
I just assume you're only being serious when you say something wrong.

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comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Greta XXXtina calls for progressives to stop calling for people to die in fires. It may still be OK to tell them to rape themselves anally with a rotten porcupine though as long as it isn't fatal or done violently and is "punching up"?
https://archive.is/uUSfl
While I don't agree with alot of her minor points I have to give it to her. It was well written and over all I agree with her main point. Good for her.
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with safe space victim SJW types if they would consistently apply their worldview. The worst of them are embodied by FTB, where they cry about needing a safe space from harassment while harassing, bullying, witch-hunting or threatening others from the safety of their safe space.

And like I've said before, I know there are even some SJWs who agree with me and hate 'call-out culture.' The internet has a radicalizing effect on ideological groups. I've noticed this myself, where I will disagree with something an antifeminist has said (not talking about the pit right now) and give a nuanced opinion on, for example, rape or sexual harassment, and because what I said disagreed with the antifeminist, I'll get a bunch of comments call me an SJW piece of shit who loves Anita and wants all men put into misandry work camps.

People get so polarized that feminists don't want to agree with antifeminists that circumcision is bad, for example, because they don't want to give their opponents "ammo." Or they downplay male homelessness and lack of domestic violence services for men. But then antifeminists don't want to concede that not every woman who says she was raped is lying (see RooshV on rape) and sometimes even in the cases where no rape happened, it's possible the accuser could still genuinely believe they were raped, IE it's not always "either she was lying or she was raped."

There's a level of nuance to these issues of gender equality that get glossed over in the ideological war. But I think radicalization like that is inevitable. I find myself defending statism when arguing with ancaps, even though I think the (United at least) state sucks ass.

For example, the unadjusted wage gap of 77% is bullshit. We know this and feminists know it too. BUT... There is a wage gap of around 7 cents or so, which has been adjusted. Now, we don't know for sure that sexism causes the 7% as it's unexplained. But it seems worth exploring what causes the gap. Because 7 cents per dollar is actually not trivial when you consider a 40+ year income. The missing 7 cents that can't be explained adds up to a significant sum. That's worth having a conversation about, but unfortunately the feminists won't shut the fuck up about "muh 77 cents" and the MRA won't admit that 7 cents per dollar of income is significant over a lifetime. :roll:

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:If there is a liberal bias in higher education, then it's only because the truth has a liberal bias!
Yeah, this puts me in mind of something Aron Ra has said, which is supremely ironic considering his own position. I couldn't find his exact quote, but it seems he was quoting someone else:
Believe Those Who Are Seeking the Truth; Doubt Those Who Find It

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In remembrance of when Aron Ra was cool.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:If there is a liberal bias in higher education, then it's only because the truth has a liberal bias!
Yeah, this puts me in mind of something Aron Ra has said, which is supremely ironic considering his own position. I couldn't find his exact quote, but it seems he was quoting someone else:
Believe Those Who Are Seeking the Truth; Doubt Those Who Find It
I always love it when someone presents the idea that all truth is relative, as an absolute truth. However dressed up then language.

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AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
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Once again, I have failed to make it clear when I'm being serious and when I'm being sarcastic. Maybe I should just choose one and stick with it.
I just assume you're only being serious when you say something wrong.
Ow! :clap:

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James Caruthers wrote: For example, the unadjusted wage gap of 77% is bullshit. We know this and feminists know it too. BUT... There is a wage gap of around 7 cents or so, which has been adjusted. Now, we don't know for sure that sexism causes the 7% as it's unexplained. But it seems worth exploring what causes the gap. Because 7 cents per dollar is actually not trivial when you consider a 40+ year income. The missing 7 cents that can't be explained adds up to a significant sum. That's worth having a conversation about, but unfortunately the feminists won't shut the fuck up about "muh 77 cents" and the MRA won't admit that 7 cents per dollar of income is significant over a lifetime. :roll:
When public figures like obama and Sen. Gillibrand repeatedly state "women get paid 23% less than men for doing the same work as men" they are flat out lying.

But if you point out that lie, you are accused of being ok with women getting less pay for equal work. Same as saying you don't believe Radford harassed Stollznow, or Shermer raped Smith. That's taken as admission that you're fine with sexual harassment and are a rape apologist.

Some of them (see politicians above) are surely consciously disingenuous. But most of the SJWs are so filled with rage, and so dumbified by spouting the dogma for so long, they really think that.

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James Caruthers wrote:
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I wouldn't have as much of a problem with safe space victim SJW types if they would consistently apply their worldview. The worst of them are embodied by FTB, where they cry about needing a safe space from harassment while harassing, bullying, witch-hunting or threatening others from the safety of their safe space.

And like I've said before, I know there are even some SJWs who agree with me and hate 'call-out culture.' The internet has a radicalizing effect on ideological groups. I've noticed this myself, where I will disagree with something an antifeminist has said (not talking about the pit right now) and give a nuanced opinion on, for example, rape or sexual harassment, and because what I said disagreed with the antifeminist, I'll get a bunch of comments call me an SJW piece of shit who loves Anita and wants all men put into misandry work camps.

People get so polarized that feminists don't want to agree with antifeminists that circumcision is bad, for example, because they don't want to give their opponents "ammo." Or they downplay male homelessness and lack of domestic violence services for men. But then antifeminists don't want to concede that not every woman who says she was raped is lying (see RooshV on rape) and sometimes even in the cases where no rape happened, it's possible the accuser could still genuinely believe they were raped, IE it's not always "either she was lying or she was raped."

There's a level of nuance to these issues of gender equality that get glossed over in the ideological war. But I think radicalization like that is inevitable. I find myself defending statism when arguing with ancaps, even though I think the (United at least) state sucks ass.

For example, the unadjusted wage gap of 77% is bullshit. We know this and feminists know it too. BUT... There is a wage gap of around 7 cents or so, which has been adjusted. Now, we don't know for sure that sexism causes the 7% as it's unexplained. But it seems worth exploring what causes the gap. Because 7 cents per dollar is actually not trivial when you consider a 40+ year income. The missing 7 cents that can't be explained adds up to a significant sum. That's worth having a conversation about, but unfortunately the feminists won't shut the fuck up about "muh 77 cents" and the MRA won't admit that 7 cents per dollar of income is significant over a lifetime. :roll:
Yep. Over a 40 year income, a 7% gender gap in income means that a woman will on average lose 2,8 years of her income compared to a man. That's definitely not trivial. It's the equivalent of almost three years of unemployment for the man. That's nothing to sneer at, even though it's not incredibly easy to pick it up from some social trends. As you said, we don't know whether the cause of this income gap is sexism but it's not been ruled out, so it's definitely worth thinking about.

For a comparison a 77% gap would mean a net loss of 30,8 years. The effect of such a gap would be evident to everyone in society and there'll be a widespread consensus that men earn much more than women that only complete idiots could deny.

Embrace the "smug side" of those who feel that the whole "gender war" is ultimately pointless and that people should discuss real, documented issues, and never dismiss those issues like many MRAs do nor create fake ones like many SJWs do,

(By the way, RooshV is an ass and even if a chronic unethical smearer like Amanda Marcotte, David Futrelle or Melissa McEwan exposed that he raped a woman I'd be inclined to take them more than seriously, even though of course even he would deserve a fair trial. )

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
James Caruthers wrote: For example, the unadjusted wage gap of 77% is bullshit. We know this and feminists know it too. BUT... There is a wage gap of around 7 cents or so, which has been adjusted. Now, we don't know for sure that sexism causes the 7% as it's unexplained. But it seems worth exploring what causes the gap. Because 7 cents per dollar is actually not trivial when you consider a 40+ year income. The missing 7 cents that can't be explained adds up to a significant sum. That's worth having a conversation about, but unfortunately the feminists won't shut the fuck up about "muh 77 cents" and the MRA won't admit that 7 cents per dollar of income is significant over a lifetime. :roll:
When public figures like obama and Sen. Gillibrand repeatedly state "women get paid 23% less than men for doing the same work as men" they are flat out lying.

But if you point out that lie, you are accused of being ok with women getting less pay for equal work. Same as saying you don't believe Radford harassed Stollznow, or Shermer raped Smith. That's taken as admission that you're fine with sexual harassment and are a rape apologist.

Some of them (see politicians above) are surely consciously disingenuous. But most of the SJWs are so filled with rage, and so dumbified by spouting the dogma for so long, they really think that.
One of the problems here is people are listening to pundits, politicians and clickbait bloggers and believing what they are saying. But those people only say what they say because of what they perceive as the benefits to themselves if they say those things. Such individuals have no interest in truth, subjective or otherwise.

If Obama would talk about a 7 cent wage gap instead of 23 cents, I might have a tiny bit of respect for him. And then the conversation could move forward from there to maybe address this perceived injustice, or at least understand it better. It might be that the 7 cents is not due to sexism, but IIRC at the moment it is unexplained.

But how can we talk about the 7 cents if feminists won't stop bringing up the 23 cents and forcing everyone to argue about it?

There's an honest way to engage with people who believe differently, and then there's the lying pundit way to engage. The latter involves copious amounts of red meat thrown at the feet of one's political base/patreon supporters.

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