That is because they keep on rebooting him as opposed to telling more of the damn continuing story. I am happy to see the Batman vs. Superman isn't another damn reboot.katamari Damassi wrote:I was hoping that Civil War would bring in Morales, just because of Parker's over saturation and the stink of failure on him.
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annelle says
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Ah, further evidence of your inability to recognise boundaries.
* Doesn’t understand why picking up women at places he’s employed to speak at might be problematic
* Can’t bring himself to refrain from sex with someone who is intoxicated and only “pick up†sober women
* Violates boundaries and follows it up with a condescending ‘notpology’
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Richard Carrier says
July 15, 2015 at 9:38 am
Now this is a Slymepit troll.
The “all inebriation negates consent†trope = Slymepit
The “referring to a post by x explaining why y is wrong as x saying x doesn’t know why y is wrong†trope = Slymepit
The “assuming all gigs and venues are the same, and the same as a workforce environment†trope = Slymepit
The “no one can ever ask a co-worker or customer or contractor or industry peer out†trope = Slymepit
The “failing to link to anything because it would give all this away†trope = Slymepit
The “all apologies are notpologies†trope = Slymepit
The “creep badge insult†trope = Slymepit
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That is my take away too. I hope reddit continues to half ass fumble their way through this. That alone will continue to cause the maximum damage. It started out that the SJWs wanted to destroy reddit. By getting management on their side, they have effectively done that. Now their user base is hating reddit management and wants to see the place burn. Hell, even reddit management appears to want to see the place burn.katamari Damassi wrote:I'm not a Reddit user. The only thing I know about the whole Ellen Pao thing was from reading about it here. I saw this today:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33536930
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She truly is a sack of shit, but I'm not sure this changes anything. I don't think she was under any legal or binding contractual obligation not to continue to make accusations against him. The Columbia proceeding required that anonymity be maintained, but she already broke that and in any event I think that's entirely between Columbia and her. Now that she's graduated, I don't think Columbia has any leverage even if they chose to sanction her, unless they strategically sue her to diffuse their liability.x_?_x wrote:I believe you might be right, and it'd be well deserved.Service Dog wrote:I didn't see this when it was reported 3 weeks ago: The lawsuit against Columbia University by the repeatedly-exonerated accused-rapist Paul Nungesser makes references to porn images created by Mattress Girl "Emma Sulkowitz", which were printed-on and displayed-beside New York Times articles naming Nungesser. The lawsuit says Columbia University put the images on display:
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/23098/From May 11, 2015 to May 15, 2015, Defendant Columbia had on display Emma Sulkowicz’s pornographic prints at the Columbia University Visual Arts Program in the Leroy Neimann Gallery in the Dodge Building on Defendant Columbia’s campus. The pornographic prints were printed over as well as next to two New York Times articles previously published about Emma Sulkowicz’s false allegations against Plaintiff Nungesser. Due to the articles identifying Paul by his full name, to any reasonable viewer of the prints, these prints portrayed Paul engaged in sexual assault and in explicit pornographic images.
Searching for the images, I found public announcement-invites for the show, in which Sulkowicz's name was hyperlinked. The link leads to her facebook page. She's still actively promoting the same accusations as before:
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The facebook page announces that her prints were included in a group show in the Hamptons.
I expect an eventual 2nd lawsuit, naming her as a plaintiff, directly.
I can't imagine how certain media outlets will try to spin her losing a court-case into a 'win for women.'
Of course, Nungessar can still sue her for libel. But winning that is a fairly tough burden. He'd basically have to prove by preponderance of the evidence that she knows it wasn't rape or that her belief that she was raped is not reasonable. This is much more difficult than proving by a preponderance of the evidence that the rape didn't occur. I think there's still a decent case to be made, but getting a super-majority of jurors to agree will be difficult.
I think this does strengthen the case against Columbia, though. The "this is not a reenactment but may seem like one" is only a disclaimer in her PoMo diseased mind. The firmly modernist court system will almost certainly regard the fact that it very accurately follows her description of events in the police report and that the date and time stamp on the video match up with the event as definitive evidence that she designed it as a reenactment.
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This DS9 episode is the first thing I thought of when I read the story.Tony Parsehole wrote:[youtube]rVHR0UPHERQ[/youtube]Konrad_Cruze wrote:Oskar Groening, the bookkeeper of Auchwitz, has been sentenced to four years. Not sure where I stand on this. To me it smacks of vengeance as opposed to justice. What happened in that place was beyond eviland his actions were wrong. The thing that I can't make mind up on is this. He was not involved in the gas chambers, he was not involved in the disposal of bodies and he was not involved in the cruel treatment of the prisoners. For all intents and purposes he treated the prisoners no worse than the british treated Nazis prisoners of war. What really scares me though is that I think I would have done the same as him under the same circumstances, whether he was threatened into his actions, believed the propaganda or simple followed out his orders I think that I would have done as he did. It is easy for People to sit here today and say what he did was wrong but as the saying goes everyone has 20/20 hindsight.
Just curious what the general view here.
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Did you just dox yourself as a John Fowles fan? Did I just dox myself as a John Fowles fan by asking? And is being a fan of John Fowles as socially unacceptable as it was 30 years ago?John D wrote:On Greece - Lovely island. Really want to visit.
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Me, too, but I think it was very wise to first go after the university (only). If he wins Round One, going after her will incur less negative publicity for suing a woman who claims to have been raped, as he'll have the university decisions and the lawsuit as back-up. If he loses Round One, then he can fore-go suing her, as that wouldn't be worth the risk (unless she digs her hole deep enough). The only situation that seems less clear is what to do after a confidential settlement with the university (where they admit no wrong-doing, etc). But if she keeps digging her hole, then going after her after a settlement seems likely and winnable.Service Dog wrote:I expect an eventual 2nd lawsuit, naming her as a plaintiff, directly.
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Is it at least an archipelago???? :mrgreen:Billie from Ockham wrote:Did you just dox yourself as a John Fowles fan? Did I just dox myself as a John Fowles fan by asking? And is being a fan of John Fowles as socially unacceptable as it was 30 years ago?John D wrote:On Greece - Lovely island. Really want to visit.
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What a fucking idiot... I actually thought Athens was on one of the islands. Damn.... how did that fucking mess get in my head? I deserve all the mocking you can deliver.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me.Richard Carrier says
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The “all inebriation negates consent†trope = Slymepit
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Dr Richard Carroer PhD owes me a new keyboard, mouse, and monitor.
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Do a get any bonus points for knowing that Copenhagen is on an island???... (probably not).
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Next you'll be asking if the distance from the town of Marathon to the city of Athens has any significance.John D wrote:What a fucking idiot... I actually thought Athens was on one of the islands. Damn.... how did that fucking mess get in my head? I deserve all the mocking you can deliver.
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I suppose it's on the island of Eurasia, but that is kinda stretching the definition of an island.John D wrote:What a fucking idiot... I actually thought Athens was on one of the islands. Damn.... how did that fucking mess get in my head? I deserve all the mocking you can deliver.
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I know the kings of England, I can quote the fights historical from Marathon to Waterloo in order categorical.Billie from Ockham wrote:Next you'll be asking if the distance from the town of Marathon to the city of Athens has any significance.John D wrote:What a fucking idiot... I actually thought Athens was on one of the islands. Damn.... how did that fucking mess get in my head? I deserve all the mocking you can deliver.
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Actually it should be called Snickers now, not Marathon.Lsuoma wrote:I know the kings of England, I can quote the fights historical from Marathon to Waterloo in order categorical.Billie from Ockham wrote:Next you'll be asking if the distance from the town of Marathon to the city of Athens has any significance.John D wrote:What a fucking idiot... I actually thought Athens was on one of the islands. Damn.... how did that fucking mess get in my head? I deserve all the mocking you can deliver.
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I heard that story of the guy who traveled from Athens to Marathon... he nearly drown swimming between the islands! I think he had a heart attack or something in the end....Billie from Ockham wrote:Next you'll be asking if the distance from the town of Marathon to the city of Athens has any significance.John D wrote:What a fucking idiot... I actually thought Athens was on one of the islands. Damn.... how did that fucking mess get in my head? I deserve all the mocking you can deliver.
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What a toolbox. His own "team" called him creepy. His own team has said you're not allowed to have sex with attendees if you're a speaker. They've claimed Ophelia's blog is a workplace.free thoughtpolice wrote:Fee fie foe lol- I smell the spunk of a Slymepit troll:annelle says
July 15, 2015 at 4:52 am
Ah, further evidence of your inability to recognise boundaries.
* Doesn’t understand why picking up women at places he’s employed to speak at might be problematic
* Can’t bring himself to refrain from sex with someone who is intoxicated and only “pick up†sober women
* Violates boundaries and follows it up with a condescending ‘notpology’
I’m sure your creep badge is in the post.
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Richard Carrier says
July 15, 2015 at 9:38 am
Now this is a Slymepit troll.
The “all inebriation negates consent†trope = Slymepit
The “referring to a post by x explaining why y is wrong as x saying x doesn’t know why y is wrong†trope = Slymepit
The “assuming all gigs and venues are the same, and the same as a workforce environment†trope = Slymepit
The “no one can ever ask a co-worker or customer or contractor or industry peer out†trope = Slymepit
The “failing to link to anything because it would give all this away†trope = Slymepit
The “all apologies are notpologies†trope = Slymepit
The “creep badge insult†trope = Slymepit
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We should not be discussing this. It is not a Topic.Lsuoma wrote:Actually it should be called Snickers now, not Marathon.Lsuoma wrote:I know the kings of England, I can quote the fights historical from Marathon to Waterloo in order categorical.Billie from Ockham wrote:
Next you'll be asking if the distance from the town of Marathon to the city of Athens has any significance.
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I love this trend of FTB'ers getting paranoid about their own comment section being trolls because they actually believe what they've been told for the past few years.
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I hope Hornbeck indexes how "trolling" FTB can be done by repeating FTB beliefs. As he says, it's in our best interest to help him.Sunder wrote:I love this trend of FTB'ers getting paranoid about their own comment section being trolls because they actually believe what they've been told for the past few years.
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Consistent is an understatement. Kvitova is the female Almagro. Her game can stink until she gets really pissed off, at which point she will start smoking ridiculous winners to all corners before crumbling again. The tour can do without Williams AFAIAC, with the bitching about how the rankings don't give enough weight to the grand slams to allow her to skip the regular tour. Fans pay good money to watch Williams examining her nails while half-assing her way out of a smaller tournament so she can go shopping with the appearance cash the organisers are dumb enough to pay her.jugheadnaut wrote:Few men are attracted to women with bulging muscles, to the point that it's a rare fetish. On the other hand, the Amazon archetype (women with a big, athletic, toned body but still highly feminine with large breasts and hips), is a big divider. Personally, I find this type highly attractive. Back when Serena Williams was in her late teens and early twenties, her body was smaller and tighter than it is now and I think she fit very much in this archetype. With the glow of youth she had at the time, I thought she was a knockout and was surprised this opinion was uncommon.Service Dog wrote: Personally, I find muscular women to be repulsively unattractive.
Muscular sex slaves trigger my Erectile Dysfunction, leaving me in a semi-soft state which cannot be overcome, even by inflicting on a Venus or Serena-type depraved acts... which would otherwise result in diamond-cutter hardness & copious, high muzzle velocity spurting-- all-over Agnieszka Radwanska. Or which-would give Andrea Petkovic plenty to wipe-off her face & recount to Richard Carrier, later.
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When she was first dominating, she wanted to step it up even more and trained to become hugely muscular. This actually backfired, as her game regressed and injuries became more of an issue. Then she let herself go for a couple of years and was, appearance-wise, on the sloppy side. Now she's found a happy medium and is back to dominating.
However, it's pretty clear to me she's not nearly as good as she was 10-12 years ago. When I watch video of her then, she moves better and has greater range and she goes for more difficult shots and angles than she does now. There's also precedent: every other woman who was a world-class tennis player in her early twenties declined considerably by her early thirties, to the point where the vast majority were out of the game. So if it's true that Williams is a worse player now but is still easily the best female player in tennis, it's likely the rest of the women's field has declined. And this seems borne out by experience: the other top female players are either highly inconsistent (e.g. Petra Kvitova, who will beat Williams when on her 'A' game but that 'A' game is elusive) or just limited talent-wise. Back in 2004 we had Kim Clijsters, Venus Williams, a much better Maria Sharapova, Lindsay Davenport, and Justine Henin as some of the main competition for Serena, and I think it's clear that's much superior competition than what exists now. It's something of a mystery how there could be this big secular decline, but I guess just bad luck could explain it. The men's tour, on the other hand, indisputably has hugely more talent now than 2004.
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*Hrmpf* think notJohn D wrote:Do a get any bonus points for knowing that Copenhagen is on an island???... (probably not).
Also, given the small population density, number of islands and relatively few natural resources, we should be starving. Obviously it doesn't work that simple.
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feathers wrote:*Hrmpf* think notJohn D wrote:Do a get any bonus points for knowing that Copenhagen is on an island???... (probably not).
Also, given the small population density, number of islands and relatively few natural resources, we should be starving. Obviously it doesn't work that simple.
Controlling access to the Baltic Sea helped a little back in the day.
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I skimmed through the last few pages. Was impressed with the giantess images.
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Is that the bloke on top pumping up and down or the woman on top sliding up and down? More to the point is it spinning clockwise or counterclockwise?Parody Accountant wrote:http://38.media.tumblr.com/4e5cc2197e7d ... o1_500.gif
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He is the very model of a modern fascist tit.Lsuoma wrote: I know the kings of England, I can quote the fights historical from Marathon to Waterloo in order categorical.
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That's an easy magic eye. It's a ship right?Parody Accountant wrote:
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You dumb bastard it's not a schooner. It's a sailboat.jimthepleb wrote:That's an easy magic eye. It's a ship right?Parody Accountant wrote:
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He rules the edit button from the backside of the ol' Slymepit.Guest wrote:He is the very model of a modern fascist tit.Lsuoma wrote: I know the kings of England, I can quote the fights historical from Marathon to Waterloo in order categorical.
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There's one other vital piece of the clue-puzzle that The Intellectual Artillery is missing.free thoughtpolice wrote:Fee fie foe lol- I smell the spunk of a Slymepit troll:annelle says
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Steersporn.Parody Accountant wrote:
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Strange, I have the phrase 'I really want to get up in her '7's' running through my head....how odd.Parody Accountant wrote:You dumb bastard it's not a schooner. It's a sailboat.jimthepleb wrote:That's an easy magic eye. It's a ship right?Parody Accountant wrote:[img]snip]
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Oddly enough, those wouldn't even be challenge wanks.
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I'm not sure either way. Perhaps you've entered a masturbatory glory hole. Kinda 'go with it' in your mind, and then act all disgusted after you're done.jimthepleb wrote:Is that the bloke on top pumping up and down or the woman on top sliding up and down? More to the point is it spinning clockwise or counterclockwise?Parody Accountant wrote:http://38.media.tumblr.com/4e5cc2197e7d ... o1_500.gif
Don't be afraid, my doctor told me you can't catch the gay from accidentally getting a dude's semen on your face. Pretty sure you're safe just from fapping to androgyny. It's really hard to catch gay these days, basically.
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I feel a bit of a cunt saying this but have you been going for sex therapy to that Dr Richard Carrier PhD again? He is not so much an analyst or a therapist but more an amalgam of the two. An analrapist if you like.Parody Accountant wrote: I'm not sure either way. Perhaps you've entered a masturbatory glory hole. Kinda 'go with it' in your mind, and then act all disgusted after you're done.
Don't be afraid, my doctor told me you can't catch the gay from accidentally getting a dude's semen on your face. Pretty sure you're safe just from fapping to androgyny. It's really hard to catch gay these days, basically.
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I know what HK Hjornybeek's Indexing project reminded me of:
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Robin doesn't mention all the work he put in indexing people being rude on the internets !
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Given the parties (both "private persons"; as opposed to "public persons" or "media outlets") and the issue at hand (not a "matter of public concern"), he would merely need to show that she defamed him (i.e., by proving that she claimed he raped her). She could raise "truth" as a *defense*, but that burden would be on her to prove it was true (not him to prove it was false). Her "belief" is not really relevant, reasonable or not.jugheadnaut wrote:... Of course, Nungessar can still sue her for libel. But winning that is a fairly tough burden. He'd basically have to prove by preponderance of the evidence that she knows it wasn't rape or that her belief that she was raped is not reasonable. This is much more difficult than proving by a preponderance of the evidence that the rape didn't occur.
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Haha! I think there is quite a Bounty of jokes to be had here.piginthecity wrote:Lsuoma wrote:Lsuoma wrote:
We should not be discussing this. It is not a Topic.
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Laughing at rape jokes, as is her wont.Really? wrote:Trying to resist going all Ogvorbis on her brother. Again.free thoughtpolice wrote:
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that's just sementicsjimthepleb wrote:I feel a bit of a cunt saying this but have you been going for sex therapy to that Dr Richard Carrier PhD again? He is not so much an analyst or a therapist but more an amalgam of the two. An analrapist if you like.Parody Accountant wrote: I'm not sure either way. Perhaps you've entered a masturbatory glory hole. Kinda 'go with it' in your mind, and then act all disgusted after you're done.
Don't be afraid, my doctor told me you can't catch the gay from accidentally getting a dude's semen on your face. Pretty sure you're safe just from fapping to androgyny. It's really hard to catch gay these days, basically.
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A few of years ago I came to the conclusion that the constant promotion of the Holocaust was effectively a distraction. Which lead me to the question of what exactly are we being distracted from? Why the fuss over the Holocaust and not the Holodomor? Was it because of the Bolsheviks and who many of their leaders were?
(BTW, if you follow that line of reasoning better be careful and prepared by having a tin-foil hat handy.)
Anyway, this also led me to reconsider a few other genocides like a couple of the Turkish ones Armenian, and Assyrian and that business involving Serbia like the Kosovo
TL;DNR
Multiculturalism is like a toddler playing with a lighter in a clothes cupboard.
(BTW, if you follow that line of reasoning better be careful and prepared by having a tin-foil hat handy.)
Anyway, this also led me to reconsider a few other genocides like a couple of the Turkish ones Armenian, and Assyrian and that business involving Serbia like the Kosovo
TL;DNR
Multiculturalism is like a toddler playing with a lighter in a clothes cupboard.
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shit. what did i miss?ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Haha! I think there is quite a Bounty of jokes to be had here.piginthecity wrote:Lsuoma wrote:
We should not be discussing this. It is not a Topic.
wait don't tell me.
tell me.
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I was thinking of this episode during the scroll down through the discussion.Tony Parsehole wrote:[youtube]rVHR0UPHERQ[/youtube]Konrad_Cruze wrote:Oskar Groening, the bookkeeper of Auchwitz, has been sentenced to four years. Not sure where I stand on this. To me it smacks of vengeance as opposed to justice. What happened in that place was beyond eviland his actions were wrong. The thing that I can't make mind up on is this. He was not involved in the gas chambers, he was not involved in the disposal of bodies and he was not involved in the cruel treatment of the prisoners. For all intents and purposes he treated the prisoners no worse than the british treated Nazis prisoners of war. What really scares me though is that I think I would have done the same as him under the same circumstances, whether he was threatened into his actions, believed the propaganda or simple followed out his orders I think that I would have done as he did. It is easy for People to sit here today and say what he did was wrong but as the saying goes everyone has 20/20 hindsight.
Just curious what the general view here.
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Caruthers will get the reference.
It's a shameful miscarriage of justice to sentence a man for being merely human. I would have done no different than he did, unless I was feeling suicidal that day.
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I don't think you need a conspiracy. Western troops followed by western journalists saw the nazi death camps. So they had all of the media play at the time. Also a lot of the survivors went to the west and kept the news current. It is unfortunately just human nature.AndrewV69 wrote:A few of years ago I came to the conclusion that the constant promotion of the Holocaust was effectively a distraction. Which lead me to the question of what exactly are we being distracted from? Why the fuss over the Holocaust and not the Holodomor? Was it because of the Bolsheviks and who many of their leaders were?
(BTW, if you follow that line of reasoning better be careful and prepared by having a tin-foil hat handy.)
Anyway, this also led me to reconsider a few other genocides like a couple of the Turkish ones Armenian, and Assyrian and that business involving Serbia like the Kosovo
TL;DNR
Multiculturalism is like a toddler playing with a lighter in a clothes cupboard.
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Hah. This is a lightning deal on Amazon. Look at the ASIN (catalog number) at the end of the URL.
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I agree with JackSkeptic that what we are seeing is Reddit trying to manage a PR problem, which is the existence of subs like Coontown and fatpeoplehate. I don't think they ultimately want the SJWs in control of Reddit, but they are using them as a tool to purge "hate" subs to court a more respectable demographic and bring in more investors. Reddit probably wants to switch income streams from users more to investors and advertisers. They don't want to be the pleb version of 4chan, which is what they currently are now. :naughty:deLurch wrote:That is my take away too. I hope reddit continues to half ass fumble their way through this. That alone will continue to cause the maximum damage. It started out that the SJWs wanted to destroy reddit. By getting management on their side, they have effectively done that. Now their user base is hating reddit management and wants to see the place burn. Hell, even reddit management appears to want to see the place burn.katamari Damassi wrote:I'm not a Reddit user. The only thing I know about the whole Ellen Pao thing was from reading about it here. I saw this today:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33536930
Looks like the SJWs have won an Reddit will be the new Tumblr.
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Squirrel shit.Parody Accountant wrote:
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Well, I've heard it said by some (nitwits) that the reason we hear more of the Holocaust as opposed to Holodomor is due to the fact that many Bolshevik leaders were Jews. And that's it's all a big Jewish conspiracy, or something.AndrewV69 wrote:A few of years ago I came to the conclusion that the constant promotion of the Holocaust was effectively a distraction. Which lead me to the question of what exactly are we being distracted from? Why the fuss over the Holocaust and not the Holodomor? Was it because of the Bolsheviks and who many of their leaders were?
Given that, as you rightly say, it can lead you into tinfoil hat territory - and such blame-the-Jews conspiracy theorising is pretty much prime tinfoil hat territory - then what non-tinfoil-hat-territory thing is it that you're trying to point out as regards these Bolshevik leaders, Andy?
Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
My position on the "Old Nazi":
The murder of over 6 million people is by numbers one of the greatest tragedies in human history. Let's be clear though it was the industrial capability that made it so. There was nothing inherently flawed in the German people, that made them the orchestrator of the obscenity.
throughout human history there are examples of genocide and attempted genocide, it wasn't for want of trying that their scale didn't rival that of the extermination of European Jews. I see nothing that has changed in human psychology that would indicate that such a thing could never happen again, even amidst our smug western superior liberal democracies.
The flaw is Human psychology. Humans are conformists, it wasn't that the gestapo who were so numerous and efficient in Germany, it was the average Joe ingratiating themselves to the power structure, that enabled the wholesale massacre of branches of the human tree.
We're all aware of the Stanford prison experiment, or at least we bloody well should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment
Unless a human finds themselves to be directly under threat, or the regime is alien to them, then probability is that they will comply with the diktats of said regime, and if not participate directly in it's excesses practice the human quality of "see no evil, hear no evil".
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
(one of my absolute favorite pieces of writing)
It is linked to the debate on whether we actually have free will, but if the courts were actually interested in finding the culprit for Auschwitz, it would be the human species in the dock.
The murder of over 6 million people is by numbers one of the greatest tragedies in human history. Let's be clear though it was the industrial capability that made it so. There was nothing inherently flawed in the German people, that made them the orchestrator of the obscenity.
throughout human history there are examples of genocide and attempted genocide, it wasn't for want of trying that their scale didn't rival that of the extermination of European Jews. I see nothing that has changed in human psychology that would indicate that such a thing could never happen again, even amidst our smug western superior liberal democracies.
The flaw is Human psychology. Humans are conformists, it wasn't that the gestapo who were so numerous and efficient in Germany, it was the average Joe ingratiating themselves to the power structure, that enabled the wholesale massacre of branches of the human tree.
We're all aware of the Stanford prison experiment, or at least we bloody well should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment
Unless a human finds themselves to be directly under threat, or the regime is alien to them, then probability is that they will comply with the diktats of said regime, and if not participate directly in it's excesses practice the human quality of "see no evil, hear no evil".
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
(one of my absolute favorite pieces of writing)
It is linked to the debate on whether we actually have free will, but if the courts were actually interested in finding the culprit for Auschwitz, it would be the human species in the dock.
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Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
Do we we know for a fact that the famine was engineered to kill the population or was it a matter of mismanagement like the famine in China a few years after its revolution?AndrewV69 wrote:A few of years ago I came to the conclusion that the constant promotion of the Holocaust was effectively a distraction. Which lead me to the question of what exactly are we being distracted from? Why the fuss over the Holocaust and not the Holodomor? Was it because of the Bolsheviks and who many of their leaders were?
(BTW, if you follow that line of reasoning better be careful and prepared by having a tin-foil hat handy.)
Anyway, this also led me to reconsider a few other genocides like a couple of the Turkish ones Armenian, and Assyrian and that business involving Serbia like the Kosovo
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Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
Funny, but conservatives love to quote that, only they start from the line about the Jews and leave the first couple off.Za-zen wrote:My position on the "Old Nazi":
The murder of over 6 million people is by numbers one of the greatest tragedies in human history. Let's be clear though it was the industrial capability that made it so. There was nothing inherently flawed in the German people, that made them the orchestrator of the obscenity.
throughout human history there are examples of genocide and attempted genocide, it wasn't for want of trying that their scale didn't rival that of the extermination of European Jews. I see nothing that has changed in human psychology that would indicate that such a thing could never happen again, even amidst our smug western superior liberal democracies.
The flaw is Human psychology. Humans are conformists, it wasn't that the gestapo who were so numerous and efficient in Germany, it was the average Joe ingratiating themselves to the power structure, that enabled the wholesale massacre of branches of the human tree.
We're all aware of the Stanford prison experiment, or at least we bloody well should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment
Unless a human finds themselves to be directly under threat, or the regime is alien to them, then probability is that they will comply with the diktats of said regime, and if not participate directly in it's excesses practice the human quality of "see no evil, hear no evil".
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
(one of my absolute favorite pieces of writing)
It is linked to the debate on whether we actually have free will, but if the courts were actually interested in finding the culprit for Auschwitz, it would be the human species in the dock.
Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
And as far as I know, Pitters have NEVER gotten a mention. :whistle:katamari Damassi wrote:Funny, but conservatives love to quote that, only they start from the line about the Jews and leave the first couple off.Za-zen wrote:My position on the "Old Nazi":
The murder of over 6 million people is by numbers one of the greatest tragedies in human history. Let's be clear though it was the industrial capability that made it so. There was nothing inherently flawed in the German people, that made them the orchestrator of the obscenity.
throughout human history there are examples of genocide and attempted genocide, it wasn't for want of trying that their scale didn't rival that of the extermination of European Jews. I see nothing that has changed in human psychology that would indicate that such a thing could never happen again, even amidst our smug western superior liberal democracies.
The flaw is Human psychology. Humans are conformists, it wasn't that the gestapo who were so numerous and efficient in Germany, it was the average Joe ingratiating themselves to the power structure, that enabled the wholesale massacre of branches of the human tree.
We're all aware of the Stanford prison experiment, or at least we bloody well should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment
Unless a human finds themselves to be directly under threat, or the regime is alien to them, then probability is that they will comply with the diktats of said regime, and if not participate directly in it's excesses practice the human quality of "see no evil, hear no evil".
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
(one of my absolute favorite pieces of writing)
It is linked to the debate on whether we actually have free will, but if the courts were actually interested in finding the culprit for Auschwitz, it would be the human species in the dock.
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Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
The idea that, in 2015 and given my views, after the socialists, trade-unionists, and Jews have been removed, there would be nobody left to speak for me makes me giggle. At a minimum, Steersman would be left and after a few hours of him speaking for me, I'm quite sure that I'd be released - nay, driven anywhere that I'd like - with a hearty "good riddance!"
Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
You see the same psychological processes applied in current politics and nigh all complex interpersonal diplomacy, that were applied by the Nazi Ideologues in Germany.
You don't just come out on day one and declare that a group of people are our enemy and need to be exterminated in gas chambers. You walk your populace through to that acceptance through "creeping normalization". It is engineered.
Gay marriage for example would have been unthinkable in Ireland 20 years ago! It wasn't that people got smarter, more consistent in their logic, or more fervent in their demand for equality. The movement for equal marriage rights for homosexuals normalized the idea through creep.
1 You could convince people to decriminalize homosexuality, but not accept it, so decriminalize it.
2 You could get people to accept private homosexuality, but not public
3 you get people to accept public homosexuality, but not state recognized
4 You get people to accept extension of limited partnership status state recognized
5 You get full blown equality of marriage.
Going from one to five without the intervening normalization was impossible. Through creeping normalization a regime can really achieve any goal it wishes, people rarely object to small incremental changes in "normal".
You don't just come out on day one and declare that a group of people are our enemy and need to be exterminated in gas chambers. You walk your populace through to that acceptance through "creeping normalization". It is engineered.
Gay marriage for example would have been unthinkable in Ireland 20 years ago! It wasn't that people got smarter, more consistent in their logic, or more fervent in their demand for equality. The movement for equal marriage rights for homosexuals normalized the idea through creep.
1 You could convince people to decriminalize homosexuality, but not accept it, so decriminalize it.
2 You could get people to accept private homosexuality, but not public
3 you get people to accept public homosexuality, but not state recognized
4 You get people to accept extension of limited partnership status state recognized
5 You get full blown equality of marriage.
Going from one to five without the intervening normalization was impossible. Through creeping normalization a regime can really achieve any goal it wishes, people rarely object to small incremental changes in "normal".
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Re: Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!
Uh-oh, you're on to us. Next step is MANDATORY HOMOSEXUALITY.Za-zen wrote:You see the same psychological processes applied in current politics and nigh all complex interpersonal diplomacy, that were applied by the Nazi Ideologues in Germany.
You don't just come out on day one and declare that a group of people are our enemy and need to be exterminated in gas chambers. You walk your populace through to that acceptance through "creeping normalization". It is engineered.
Gay marriage for example would have been unthinkable in Ireland 20 years ago! It wasn't that people got smarter, more consistent in their logic, or more fervent in their demand for equality. The movement for equal marriage rights for homosexuals normalized the idea through creep.
1 You could convince people to decriminalize homosexuality, but not accept it, so decriminalize it.
2 You could get people to accept private homosexuality, but not public
3 you get people to accept public homosexuality, but not state recognized
4 You get people to accept extension of limited partnership status state recognized
5 You get full blown equality of marriage.
Going from one to five without the intervening normalization was impossible. Through creeping normalization a regime can really achieve any goal it wishes, people rarely object to small incremental changes in "normal".