Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

[Tony Parsehole]

What the fuck!?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ_oB8IUYAE9O9C.jpg
What.
The.
Fuck?

[Tony Parsehole]

I skimmed through the last few pages. Was impressed with the giantess images.

Now I know I want death by snu snu

[Michael J]

Reminds me of the geek insult: "you're such a nobody, if you looked inside Schroedinger's Box, the cat would still be both dead and alive."

How about "you're such a nobody, if you looked inside Schroedinger's Box, the dead/alive cat would be observing you."

I just came up with that. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

Or ..
"In Russia Shroedinger's Cat observes you"

[Tony Parsehole]

Oddly enough, those wouldn't even be challenge wanks.

Now you tell me.

[Tony Parsehole]

My position on the "Old Nazi":

The murder of over 6 million people is by numbers one of the greatest tragedies in human history. Let's be clear though it was the industrial capability that made it so. There was nothing inherently flawed in the German people, that made them the orchestrator of the obscenity.

throughout human history there are examples of genocide and attempted genocide, it wasn't for want of trying that their scale didn't rival that of the extermination of European Jews. I see nothing that has changed in human psychology that would indicate that such a thing could never happen again, even amidst our smug western superior liberal democracies.

The flaw is Human psychology. Humans are conformists, it wasn't that the gestapo who were so numerous and efficient in Germany, it was the average Joe ingratiating themselves to the power structure, that enabled the wholesale massacre of branches of the human tree.

We're all aware of the Stanford prison experiment, or at least we bloody well should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment

Unless a human finds themselves to be directly under threat, or the regime is alien to them, then probability is that they will comply with the diktats of said regime, and if not participate directly in it's excesses practice the human quality of "see no evil, hear no evil".



First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

(one of my absolute favorite pieces of writing)

It is linked to the debate on whether we actually have free will, but if the courts were actually interested in finding the culprit for Auschwitz, it would be the human species in the dock.

Funny, but conservatives love to quote that, only they start from the line about the Jews and leave the first couple off.

And as far as I know, Pitters have NEVER gotten a mention. :whistle:

Give it time and we'll no doubt get the blame for it.

[Sunder]

What the fuck!?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ_oB8IUYAE9O9C.jpg
What.
The.
Fuck?

Now feminists just need a version of this for online donations where you click the Donate button and get a little message saying thanks, but all the money stays in your bank account.

[Service Dog]

Cuomo signed a bill into law this week, requiring explicit 'affirmative consent' on NY college campuses, to be judged by campus staff, not courts:

http://nypost.com/2015/07/14/how-cuomos ... ctims-too/

[feathers]

It's kitstch and repetitive but hypnotic. Watch the crowd, they do this weird version of a mosh pit or something where they go around in a circle. It's supposed to be mayhem I guess, but it is careful and controlled mayhem. So Japanese. The girls were supposed to be replaced as soon as they graduated from HS, but they kept the oldest one after she graduated. That's how they do it in Japan, you reach a certain age, you are replaced.

You mean, so much unlike all the Pearlman Take That Westlife up the Backstreet Boyzone drones from the West?

[paddybrown]

A few of years ago I came to the conclusion that the constant promotion of the Holocaust was effectively a distraction. Which lead me to the question of what exactly are we being distracted from? Why the fuss over the Holocaust and not the Holodomor? Was it because of the Bolsheviks and who many of their leaders were?

Well, I've heard it said by some (nitwits) that the reason we hear more of the Holocaust as opposed to Holodomor is due to the fact that many Bolshevik leaders were Jews. And that's it's all a big Jewish conspiracy, or something.

Given that, as you rightly say, it can lead you into tinfoil hat territory - and such blame-the-Jews conspiracy theorising is pretty much prime tinfoil hat territory - then what non-tinfoil-hat-territory thing is it that you're trying to point out as regards these Bolshevik leaders, Andy?

Perhaps more likely we glossed over Soviet atrocities because they were our allies in WWII?

[Service Dog]

Science Justice Warrior...


[youtube]seq7EYDyIGE[/youtube]


I'm only 6 minutes into this video. Don't know how it relates to my MRA leanings.
But I'm posting it because of the way "science" is slathered all-over the dude's ideology, to give the appearance of authority.

Similar to Surly Amy's 'peer reviewed' grade-school art projects.

[paddybrown]

Perhaps it's a meme image, but Meyers has this:

http://i.imgur.com/jsJCwde.png

Here it is enlargified:
http://i.imgur.com/u4guF6X.png

Of note, Meyers has begun using such images as little highlighting tags for his posts. He does not link to their creator, which is surely denying starving artists their food money, right?

To be fair, this particular illustration is the work of Fred Barnard, who's in no immediate danger of starving since he died in 1896.

He set his bedclothes on fire smoking a pipe in bed while under the influence of laudanum, apparently. Rock and roll!

[paddybrown]

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

People take Batman way too seriously. He doesn't kill people because DC want to be able to re-use interesting villains.

[James Caruthers]

Science Justice Warrior...


[youtube]seq7EYDyIGE[/youtube]


I'm only 6 minutes into this video. Don't know how it relates to my MRA leanings.
But I'm posting it because of the way "science" is slathered all-over the dude's ideology, to give the appearance of authority.

Similar to Surly Amy's 'peer reviewed' grade-school art projects.

I really hate it when I see people doing this.

Even if you are a scientist, which most of them are not, unless your scientific study is specifically relevant to that subject, you're probably just another pleb talking about their opinions like the rest of us. Being a geologist doesn't make you more logical about climate change, abortion or gay rights and it doesn't make your opinions on those things "scientific" by virtue of you having opinions and being a scientist.

Yeah, I really do hate the cult of "scientism" on the internet. It's hard to explain exactly what I'm talking about unless you've seen it. I find a lot of this stuff when I'm looking into communities that are big fans of Amazing Atheist.

[James Caruthers]

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

People take Batman way too seriously. He doesn't kill people because DC want to be able to re-use interesting villains.

Well, that too.

You fun-ruiner! Dammit mom, I just want to pretend my big boy comics have some relevance to real literature!

[Kirbmarc]

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

Batman is indeed just one step away from the nutters he fights, but that's also because the world he lives in is incredibly psychotic. Arkham Asylum is probably the easiest place in the world to escape from, and no amount of psychotherapy can ever help any of the members of his rogue gallery (which is understandable for some, like the Joker, but less so for others, like Harley Quinn who was a trained therapist herself).

All people seem to go bananas extremely easily in Gotham. Supervillains pop up like mushrooms. All therapists become crazy at the drop of a hat, too. Over the top violence is so incredibly widespread that it's a miracle that anyone who's not a nutcase even lives in that city (and probably most sane people have left, which explains why it's so easy for the people who still leave there to cross the line).

In a world like that it would be crazy to expect that Batman were completely sane.

Of course as paddybrown says it's all because DC wants to use interesting supervillains again and again and again. But it's fun to speculate.

In the real world the "no killing" rule seems to work much, much better than in Gotham. At least IMHO. It doesn't take much for prisons or criminal asylums to be far more effective than Arkham or Blackgate. And there are very few crazy bastards in our earth if we compare it to the DC universe.

A real world Batman would be a bit less insane than the DC one. Well, no, actually, he'd still be rather insane because he'd dress up as a bat and fight crime on his own. That's pretty messed up on its own. But in the real world Frank Castle would be even crazier than the Batman.

[jimthepleb]

Radio $'s Woman's Hour today was a special kind of facepalming hilarity.
The discussion (at the end of the show around the 35min mark) was about short skirts distracting male teachers.
They had two male teachers and .... a gender studies professor (female) from UCL iirc.
The teachers are trying to enforce school uniform rules and are expected to measure the distance from the skirt to the knee, but as one of the teachers said he 'find that a bit awkward' and tries to avoid it. The second teacher was concerned that if a stricter policy was instituted it might cost the parents a hell of a lot more as they have to buy proprietry skirts at £35 each rather than Asda cheapies at 3 for £10.
The gender studies professor had a slightly different take on it: The big problem is these creepy men drooling their way around schools checking out the peaches. Men need to learn not to be distracted by young women who are dressed as extras from TOWIE. The real issues that need discussing are violence against women etc.
I'm paraphrasing of course but holy crap I was laughing as I dropped the missus at work.

[Kirbmarc]

A few of years ago I came to the conclusion that the constant promotion of the Holocaust was effectively a distraction. Which lead me to the question of what exactly are we being distracted from? Why the fuss over the Holocaust and not the Holodomor? Was it because of the Bolsheviks and who many of their leaders were?

Well, I've heard it said by some (nitwits) that the reason we hear more of the Holocaust as opposed to Holodomor is due to the fact that many Bolshevik leaders were Jews. And that's it's all a big Jewish conspiracy, or something.

Given that, as you rightly say, it can lead you into tinfoil hat territory - and such blame-the-Jews conspiracy theorising is pretty much prime tinfoil hat territory - then what non-tinfoil-hat-territory thing is it that you're trying to point out as regards these Bolshevik leaders, Andy?

Perhaps more likely we glossed over Soviet atrocities because they were our allies in WWII?

This, with a side order of the fact that Soviet atrocities were harder to detect and less thoroughly documented than Nazi atrocities.

The Nazi regime collapsed and didn't have the time to destroy or hide most of the evidence of what they did.

The Soviets stayed in power in Russia until 1991 and while Khrushchev exposed some of Stalin's bastardry, he didn't exposed it all or documented it as well as people did with the Nazi extermination camps.

There's also the fact that Nazi Germany wax thoroughly, completely defeated and invaded by its enemies. The Soviet regime collapsed but no one invaded Russia in 1991. The German were exposed to the entire world and had to deal with their past for years. The Russians could and still can hide behind plausible deniability.

Also, the Holodomor was a subtler way to kill people than simply exterminating them. Stalin didn't just put the Ukrainians on trains and shoved them into gas chambers. He starved them. While morally it's pretty much the same thing, it's harder to prove that a famine is deliberate than to argue that the Nazi deliberately killed the Jews.

It's also important to note that while what Stalin did was horrible and it's not focused on as much as it should, Winston Churchill did pretty much the same thing in Bengal in 1943 and even fewer people talk about it because Churchill was a "good guy" and not just an erstwhile ally like Stalin.

[jimthepleb]

Batman is not a superhero but is an arsehole.

[jimthepleb]

What happened to the steerzoid?

[KiwiInOz]

What happened to the steerzoid?

He went trampolining with Phil.

[Shatterface as Guest]

The Pit seems to be a much more interesting place the last couple of days. It's like a great pea soup fog has lifted.

It's a (likely subconsciously) effect of being Indexed. :shhh:

Reminds me of the geek insult: "you're such a nobody, if you looked inside Schroedinger's Box, the cat would still be both dead and alive."

Try 'you couldn't collapse a wavefunction in a cathouse'

Shatterface

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

What happened to the steerzoid?

He went trampolining with Phil.

You wish...

[comhcinc]

What happened to the steerzoid?

He went trampolining with Phil.

You wish...

Nah, I would hate for you to spend any time with he who shall not be named.


You are too cool.

[feathers]

Perhaps more likely we glossed over Soviet atrocities because they were our allies in WWII?

This, with a side order of the fact that Soviet atrocities were harder to detect and less thoroughly documented than Nazi atrocities.

Also, the Holocaust happened right under the noses of us Europeans (who saw the raids and the Durchgangslager in our own cities) and the American-English invasion force (who liberated the camps), and WWII's history is typically documented by these groups.

No involved conspiracy theory necessary.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

One of the most chocking aspects of the Holocaust was its mechanical, bureaucratic efficiency, as compared to other past and present genocides.

People chopping other people off in the streets with machetes is horrible in its own self, but the cold, calculated, "casual" way Jews, Gays, Gypsies etc... were exterminated by the Nazi machine brings to mind something very dark, disturbing, and with a deep sense of inevitability.

Also, plenty of movies about it.

[Kirbmarc]

What happened to the steerzoid?

https://brucelynnblog.files.wordpress.c ... e-fail.jpg

Alas, poor racist bot, we knew him well...

[Ericb]

One of the most chocking aspects of the Holocaust was its mechanical, bureaucratic efficiency, as compared to other past and present genocides.

People chopping other people off in the streets with machetes is horrible in its own self, but the cold, calculated, "casual" way Jews, Gays, Gypsies etc... were exterminated by the Nazi machine brings to mind something very dark, disturbing, and with a deep sense of inevitability.

Also, plenty of movies about it.

And they had skulls on their hats.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

One of the most chocking aspects of the Holocaust was its mechanical, bureaucratic efficiency, as compared to other past and present genocides.

People chopping other people off in the streets with machetes is horrible in its own self, but the cold, calculated, "casual" way Jews, Gays, Gypsies etc... were exterminated by the Nazi machine brings to mind something very dark, disturbing, and with a deep sense of inevitability.

Also, plenty of movies about it.

And they had skulls on their hats.

Yes, and?

http://f-14association.com/images/layou ... -04-02.jpg

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and ... ge_gallery

[Konrad_Cruze]

A car comes hurtling down the road and crashes into a tree beside a nun. The driver staggers out and the nun rushes over. Smelling alcohol on his breath the starts scolding him.

The driver blinks drunkenly at the nun and then punches her in the face. He then reaches down and hauls her into his face and screems

"NOT SO FUCKING TOUGH NOW ARE YOU BATMAN"

[Konrad_Cruze]

One of the most chocking aspects of the Holocaust was its mechanical, bureaucratic efficiency, as compared to other past and present genocides.

People chopping other people off in the streets with machetes is horrible in its own self, but the cold, calculated, "casual" way Jews, Gays, Gypsies etc... were exterminated by the Nazi machine brings to mind something very dark, disturbing, and with a deep sense of inevitability.

Also, plenty of movies about it.

And they had skulls on their hats.

Yes, and?

http://f-14association.com/images/layou ... -04-02.jpg

:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

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[John D]

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

People take Batman way too seriously. He doesn't kill people because DC want to be able to re-use interesting villains.

THIS^ 100% this. It is a fucking kids comic written for 12 year olds. We are only seeing stupid-ass Batman movies because those 12 year olds grew up and like movies.

[katamari Damassi]

Btw Sherlock Holmes in a cape is great but I have my own take on the Batman. I would like to see him written as a complete psychopath. Not as a high moralist out to protect the innocent but rather a highly disturbed person who wants to set the world punished. In mind he isn't the polar oppisite of the Joker. He is just as like him, just his methods are different. That is why the Joker can never break the Batman. He was broke a long time ago.

You need to track-down Grant Morrison's 2008 run on Batman #676-681, compiled as "Batman R.I.P.".

In that telling, the notion of Batman was invented by six year old Bruce Wayne, in the immediate trauma of his parents death. The childish retardation of a scary tough guy in a black cape punishing criminals is due to young Bruce's actual childish retardation. The un-even tone throughout Batman's publication history is explained by Bruce growing-up thru the eras & experiencing psychological growth & setbacks...

so the fun, freewheeling 60's Batman is explained by the arrival Robin, a surrogate brother for the emotionally stunted to Bruce to frolic-against-crime with & have adventures & lighten-up. Bat-Mite is a hallucination. And really-weird alternate Batmen-- like the wild west version & the caveman version are moments when Bruce went insane. In this series... Bruce wanders the streets as a delusional homeless man, dressed like a caveman-batman, with a broken transistor radio on his homeless utility belt.

It's better than I made it sound.

You made it sound pretty good. I want to read it now.

[Sulman]

Yeah, I really do hate the cult of "scientism" on the internet.

When Skepchick first came into prominence that describes the sinking feeling I had, similar to IFLS. It is an infatuation with image, rather than process.

I'm all for promotion of STEM, but it needs to be without the righteous tone. It's no coincidence Sagan and Feynman were so well loved, as they studiously avoided the latter.

[feathers]

Even if you are a scientist, which most of them are not, unless your scientific study is specifically relevant to that subject, you're probably just another pleb talking about their opinions like the rest of us. Being a geologist doesn't make you more logical about climate change, abortion or gay rights and it doesn't make your opinions on those things "scientific" by virtue of you having opinions and being a scientist.

Yeah, I really do hate the cult of "scientism" on the internet. It's hard to explain exactly what I'm talking about unless you've seen it. I find a lot of this stuff when I'm looking into communities that are big fans of Amazing Atheist.

Well, I've just seen someone try to prove feminism with 'science'... :(

[Richard Dworkins]

Of course, one of the reasons the viewer tends to excuse Batman's behavior is because of beneficial consequences and expediency. Batman is a less extreme, but ironically more perverse IMO version of Frank Castle. Castle just eliminates a threat outright, with no interest in prolonging suffering. But Batman... He beats up these various mentally ill people, drags them back to their asylum which they inevitably break out of so he can repeat the cycle over and over. But these are just crazy homicidal fucks, right? So Bats should either lock them up securely, get them some good therapists (which he can afford) or else kill the crazies.

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have."

The take I'd always like to see with Batman is that he has so much money to fool around with that he turned Gotham into a playpen where he beats up violently disturbed individuals that no-one cares about anyway in order that he can pretend he's Zorro, the last moment of his life where he was truly happy.

[Guest]

What happened to the steerzoid?

Wrasslin'

Wrasslin' happened.

[comhcinc]

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

People take Batman way too seriously. He doesn't kill people because DC want to be able to re-use interesting villains.

THIS^ 100% this. It is a fucking kids comic written for 12 year olds. We are only seeing stupid-ass Batman movies because those 12 year olds grew up and like movies.

1980 called and it wants it's attitude about comics back.

Fact of the matter is most comics today are written with adults in mind because is the people buying the books

[John D]

People take Batman way too seriously. He doesn't kill people because DC want to be able to re-use interesting villains.

THIS^ 100% this. It is a fucking kids comic written for 12 year olds. We are only seeing stupid-ass Batman movies because those 12 year olds grew up and like movies.

1980 called and it wants it's attitude about comics back.

Fact of the matter is most comics today are written with adults in mind because is the people buying the books

Not all comics are written for 12 year olds.... but Batman is. Batman tries to be full of philosophical angst and tries to tell a story about conflicted ethics, right and wrong... etc. Unfortunately, it fails... unless you have the ethical dilemmas of a 12 year old. In this case... it must be quite good.

[Scented Nectar]

That isn't an issue. That was in the contract for when Sony licensed Spider-man (not spiderman you pleb)

I'll suppose you'll next be saying it's "the" batman you bourgeois fuck ;)

The only real Batman is Adam West. Accept no imitations. And don't touch that Bat-channel, as they used to say.

[comhcinc]

Not all comics are written for 12 year olds.... but Batman is. Batman tries to be full of philosophical angst and tries to tell a story about conflicted ethics, right and wrong... etc. Unfortunately, it fails... unless you have the ethical dilemmas of a 12 year old. In this case... it must be quite good.

You are just flat out wrong. The Dark Knight Returns was not written for 12 year olds. I believe the current main comic carries either a teen or a teen plus rating.

[Shatterface as Guest]

Grant Morrison is into chaos magic and his Batman stories have to be understood in that context.

They're not about Good and Evil but Order and Chaos with Batman and the Joker representing opposite extremes.

He's also a symbolist, not a realist. He's not trying to depict law enforcement but a struggle between the forces within everyone.

Batman doesn't kill because he is Good; he can't kill because he is rule-oriented like Dredd or even Dexter Morgan. He needs order and control and he's a vigilante because the Law in Gotham can't supply that order.

The Joker represents the opposite; freedom but without responsibility.

The reason why Batman will never beat the Joker entirely is that this is an internal struggle played out symbolically not because of Arkham's revolving door policy.

Shatterface

[Dave]

That isn't an issue. That was in the contract for when Sony licensed Spider-man (not spiderman you pleb)

I'll suppose you'll next be saying it's "the" batman you bourgeois fuck ;)

The only real Batman is Adam West. Accept no imitations. And don't touch that Bat-channel, as they used to say.

BAM! WAP! POW!

[comhcinc]

That isn't an issue. That was in the contract for when Sony licensed Spider-man (not spiderman you pleb)

I'll suppose you'll next be saying it's "the" batman you bourgeois fuck ;)

The only real Batman is Adam West. Accept no imitations. And don't touch that Bat-channel, as they used to say.

They have a comic based off that show called Batman 66. I have not read it but it seems to have some good reviews.

http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/upl ... var-11.jpg

[Lsuoma]

I'll suppose you'll next be saying it's "the" batman you bourgeois fuck ;)

The only real Batman is Adam West. Accept no imitations. And don't touch that Bat-channel, as they used to say.

BAM! WAP! POW!

FAP! SNU!

[Shatterface as Guest]

They have a comic based off that show called Batman 66. I have not read it but it seems to have some good reviews.

It's fun. It includes versions of Catwoman obviously modelled on the different actresses who played her and a Harlan Ellison Two Face story written for the TV series but never filmed. I doubt it would have looked like the comic if it had been filmed though as Two Face is pretty horrific.

Shatterface

[John D]

Not all comics are written for 12 year olds.... but Batman is. Batman tries to be full of philosophical angst and tries to tell a story about conflicted ethics, right and wrong... etc. Unfortunately, it fails... unless you have the ethical dilemmas of a 12 year old. In this case... it must be quite good.

You are just flat out wrong. The Dark Knight Returns was not written for 12 year olds. I believe the current main comic carries either a teen or a teen plus rating.

So your argument is that the rating system is a good way to determine if a subject is mature, and thoughtful, and culturally meaningful? Haha. So the movie "Rambo" is a mature and philosophically rich movie because it is rated "R"? Is this your claim? I would argue that "Rambo" is a silly film for knuckleheads who like violence and are in love with their simplistic ideals of honor... but... yeah... maybe that's just me.

[comhcinc]

Not all comics are written for 12 year olds.... but Batman is. Batman tries to be full of philosophical angst and tries to tell a story about conflicted ethics, right and wrong... etc. Unfortunately, it fails... unless you have the ethical dilemmas of a 12 year old. In this case... it must be quite good.

You are just flat out wrong. The Dark Knight Returns was not written for 12 year olds. I believe the current main comic carries either a teen or a teen plus rating.

So your argument is that the rating system is a good way to determine if a subject is mature, and thoughtful, and culturally meaningful? Haha. So the movie "Rambo" is a mature and philosophically rich movie because it is rated "R"? Is this your claim? I would argue that "Rambo" is a silly film for knuckleheads who like violence and are in love with their simplistic ideals of honor... but... yeah... maybe that's just me.

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

[Kirbmarc]

Not all comics are written for 12 year olds.... but Batman is. Batman tries to be full of philosophical angst and tries to tell a story about conflicted ethics, right and wrong... etc. Unfortunately, it fails... unless you have the ethical dilemmas of a 12 year old. In this case... it must be quite good.

You are just flat out wrong. The Dark Knight Returns was not written for 12 year olds. I believe the current main comic carries either a teen or a teen plus rating.

So your argument is that the rating system is a good way to determine if a subject is mature, and thoughtful, and culturally meaningful? Haha. So the movie "Rambo" is a mature and philosophically rich movie because it is rated "R"? Is this your claim? I would argue that "Rambo" is a silly film for knuckleheads who like violence and are in love with their simplistic ideals of honor... but... yeah... maybe that's just me.

Just out of personal interest: which movies would you say are mature and philosophically rich? Because maybe Rambo is "a silly film for knuckleheads who like violence and are in love with their simplistic ideals of honor" but maybe Citizen Kane is also "a silly film for nosy people who like gossip and are in love with their simplistic ideals about human nature" (the main character's last word is the name of the sled he had when he was a child, how cheesy can it get?) and Clockwork Orange maybe is also "a silly film for knuckleheads who like ultra violence and are in love with their simplistic ideals about society".

Also, Plato was a gump, Aristotle was a moron and the real author of Shakespeare's works was DeVere. :snooty:

Jokes aside, it's easy to say that something is cheesy, silly and childish, or that someone is an idiot, but it's also easy to be very, very wrong. Maybe we should be a little bit more charitable in our criticism, or at least provide some evidence for our criticism.

A movie like Rambo might not be as deep as Citizen Kane or Clockwork Orange, but to say that it only appeals to "knuckleheads" might also be a little too harsh.

[Shatterface as Guest]

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

That's First Blood rather than Rambo but which is, indeed, an adult film.

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

The current run is pretty adult too.

The whole 'comics are for 12 year olds' smacks of the infantilisation we mock FtB and Sarkesian for.

Shatterface

[John D]

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

I realize that I am arguing with someone who finds deep symbolism in the "sport" of wrassling. I will politely disengage from this convo.

[Kirbmarc]

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

I realize that I am arguing with someone who finds deep symbolism in the "sport" of wrassling. I will politely disengage from this convo.

Uncharitable people might dismiss your opinion as the opinion of "someone who thought that Greece was an island, or at least an archipelago".

They would be wrong to think that your lack of geographical expertise means that you're not qualified to talk about movies. But I also think you're wrong in dismissing comhcinc's opinion on superhero movies just because he likes wrestling.

[comhcinc]

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

I realize that I am arguing with someone who finds deep symbolism in the "sport" of wrassling. I will politely disengage from this convo.

I don't actually, but that is beside the point. Please answer my question.

Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

[Konrad_Cruze]

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

I realize that I am arguing with someone who finds deep symbolism in the "sport" of wrassling. I will politely disengage from this convo.

Sport? Don't get me wrong wrestling is very physically demanding (thats why they are all on steroids) and is painful in the extreme but its acting. For me a sport must have some level of competition. You are either competing against another person or your own personal best. Wrestling whilst it can be amusing is not a sport. The outcome is rigged. That is of course assuming that we are talking about WWE and TNA and that lot as opposed to proper wrestling like in the Olympics which is a sport for knuckleheads who refuse to admit their homosexuality.

Mind you comhcinc does love the shine from a well oled bicep

[Konrad_Cruze]

Fucking edit....edit you fucker

[Gefan]

So, I'm familiar only with following comic book artists/writers: Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Dave Sim, Rick Griffin.
As has been pointed out, Moore and Miller could reasonably be argued to be nuts.
Sim went gloriously insane in pursuit of completing Cerebus, and Griffin, like many who did way too much acid in the sixties found The Holy Jeebus in the seventies with all that that entails.
I know it's hardly a good sample size, but is the field especially prone to electrical fires breaking out in the head?

[Shatterface as Guest]

So, I'm familiar only with following comic book artists/writers: Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Dave Sim, Rick Griffin.
As has been pointed out, Moore and Miller could reasonably be argued to be nuts.
Sim went gloriously insane in pursuit of completing Cerebus, and Griffin, like many who did way too much acid in the sixties found The Holy Jeebus in the seventies with all that that entails.
I know it's hardly a good sample size, but is the field especially prone to electrical fires breaking out in the head?

Not compared with, say, maths or music.

Shatterface

[blitzem]

Science Justice Warrior...


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I'm only 6 minutes into this video. Don't know how it relates to my MRA leanings.
But I'm posting it because of the way "science" is slathered all-over the dude's ideology, to give the appearance of authority.

Similar to Surly Amy's 'peer reviewed' grade-school art projects.

I don't want to watch it. I just have this uncontrollable urge to punch him in his tidy-bearded face.

[NoGodsEver]

I think sometimes it shows more mercy (and sanity) to kill than to do what Bats does. But like you said comh, not killing is part of his black-and-white boy scouts moral code. It's almost a psychosis. His aversion to guns, for example, seems rooted in trauma.

People take Batman way too seriously. He doesn't kill people because DC want to be able to re-use interesting villains.

Zach Snyder's Batman may indeed be a killer: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wait-Did ... 72600.html
His Superman was, after all.

[NoGodsEver]

Wait are you saying that Rambo a movie about corrupt cops and a veteran dealing with non twitter PTSD was intended for 12 year olds?

My second question. Have you read The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller?

I realize that I am arguing with someone who finds deep symbolism in the "sport" of wrassling. I will politely disengage from this convo.

While I disagree with him on the allure of wrestling, I am pretty sure com knows exactly what wrestling is and what it isn't.