Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

#27661

Cnutella wrote:
deLurch wrote:
Cnutella wrote:T'f00t seems like he'd have a case to sue LW for defamation. If he pursued it, it would likely have a similarly damaging impact on a small business because they're expensive to defend. The outcome would probably be a written lawyer-approved apology that would have less airplay and would take much more time and hassle to get than a video apology by LW.

If she is concerned about the fate of her employees then she should suck it up, make her Youtube apology and move on rather than having third parties do her negotiating for her. In fact, she should probably get on with it to try to head off any potential legal action.
A SJW apologizing? Admitting that she was wrong? Or that she lied? On multiple occasions? If you saw that video she recorded of herself, it would be a safe bet that she just isn't capable of doing that.

As far as her not being on youtube, I suspect it is also a safe bet that her husband is prohibiting her from going on youtube. She just fucked up the reputation of his company.
Well if you believe that White Knight dude, she is willing to post an apology vid if Tf00t takes his video down.

If a truce thing happens, he shouldn't have to make the first friendly gesture. She made the first unfriendly gesture which started the whole thing, so the onus is on her to make the first friendly one to end the whole thing.

#27662

Whiskey Tango wrote:
deLurch wrote:So the latest South Park episode 5 "Safe Spaces" is topical.

They have a whole bit on twitter filtering that is 100% Melodyesk.
Indeed. Melody Hensley is the first person I thought of when PC Principal told Kyle that they'd decided Cartman should stay off social media, but have someone tweet for him and curate only the positive comments.

The whole thing was a brutal evisceration of current internet culture and all the politically correct safe space, trigger warning, everything-is-shaming bullshit. And it wasn't enough that South Park kept hammering that message home again and again, but I loved how every anti-shaming/safe space segment was set in front of starving children in some nameless third-world country. It's not even that it's a particularly original point, but the way they did it with repetition was hilarious and brutal.

And then that epic speech by Reality at the anti-shaming gala:

"What a lovely charity event, I suppose you're all feeling pretty good about yourselves, huh? What are you doing? You've raised $300 by spending half a million on filet mignon and crystal glasses. Look at you, Vin Dipshit! You say fat-shaming is wrong so in response you show off your abs. You're the one fat-shaming, idiot!

What's the matter with you people? You're sad that people are mean? Well I'm sorry, the world isn't one big liberal arts college campus. We eat too much, we take our spoiled lives for granted, feel a little bad about it sometimes! No. You want to put all your shit up on the internet and have every single person say, 'Hooray for you!' Fuck you. You're all pricks."

And finally, I love how they included Steven Seagal, who is utterly humorless and is probably going to lose his shit when he sees this episode. If only someone could film that.

Spoiler:

The ending.... the town got together and executed reality by hanging. :clap:

I can't wait to see the SJWs lose their shit over this episode... :popcorn:

#27663

If you live by the sword, you also die by the sword. Not referring to Sweden but to tfoot and his loony "friends". IMO once those loons crossed the line, it's open season. I hope they get back 100 fold what they gave out.

"fuck 'em to the ground"

With that said I have little interest in these sorts of tfoot videos. I just don't care.

#27664

Pitchguest wrote:This is bizarre.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sword ... lt-n449016

Twenty minutes from where I live, a man decided to walk into a school and cut students and teachers down with a sword. Four injured, one dead.

I used to go to that library when I was a kid.

Seriously. Fuck that guy.

Yeah man. It sounds like something that would totally piss ya off.

#27665

Service Dog wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote: mysterious and alluring. Make sure that the paint stains aren't free bleeding marks, and you are good to go
Them tattoos might concern some, but PA's just gonna swoon :romance-hearteyes: ...
http://i.imgur.com/dR2hIhX.jpg

Yeah. I saw a cute ametuer porn clip and a quasi suicide girl had a tattoo of brass knuckles on her waistline, instead of a gun. That made the scene for me

#27666

dogen wrote:let me hypothesize a rule: there is no SJW too old and ugly, for there to be no beta neckbeard sufficiently desperate to white knight for her.

The needs to be Dogen's Law.

#27667

Parody Accountant wrote:http://i.imgur.com/sF5lBQ5.jpg

Reminds me of the time that Mickey Mouse went to talk to his lawyer.

Lawyer: I'm sorry, Mickey, but you can't divorce Minnie Mouse just because she is crazy, especially not in today's socio-cultural climate.

Mickey: I didn't say that I wanted a divorce because she is crazy. I want a divorce because she's fucking Goofy.

#27668

Ron Lindsay wants you to take him seriously -

#27669

Scented Nectar wrote:
Cnutella wrote:
deLurch wrote: A SJW apologizing? Admitting that she was wrong? Or that she lied? On multiple occasions? If you saw that video she recorded of herself, it would be a safe bet that she just isn't capable of doing that.

As far as her not being on youtube, I suspect it is also a safe bet that her husband is prohibiting her from going on youtube. She just fucked up the reputation of his company.
Well if you believe that White Knight dude, she is willing to post an apology vid if Tf00t takes his video down.
If a truce thing happens, he shouldn't have to make the first friendly gesture. She made the first unfriendly gesture which started the whole thing, so the onus is on her to make the first friendly one to end the whole thing.

I agree - it's just that deLurch was suggesting that her husband is banning her from doing more on Youtube, whereas that SJW dude negotiating on her behalf seemed to suggest that she was willing to post an apology vid if T'f00t took his video down first.

If that's an option, I don't see why she shouldn't just post the video first, or at least negotiate directly with Thunderf00t to see if he'd be willing to provide a link to it directly from the video where he displays her company's Yelp page, as I don't think it's likely he's going to ever agree to take the video down.

It may just be Laughing Witch's bruised ego, but something about the way she appears to be reacting to the backlash seems weird to me.

#27670

Pitchguest wrote:This is bizarre.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sword ... lt-n449016

Twenty minutes from where I live, a man decided to walk into a school and cut students and teachers down with a sword. Four injured, one dead.

I used to go to that library when I was a kid.

Seriously. Fuck that guy.

Yeah, it's insane, Sweden's first school "shooting" incident. One of the injured 11 year old boys just died as well... Not a fun day.

It's made even worse by the fact that everyone are more or less holding their breaths, waiting to find out the ethnicity of the murderer and the victims. If it's a immigrant who did it, the populist anti-immigrants are going to have a wank-fest for weeks, while the traditional media winds up their defensive propaganda machine, like they did after the IKEA-stabbings*.

If it's a Swede who attacked the school, then the reverse will happen, media will find some angle to spin it for their narrative while the populists goes on the defensive...

No matter what, none of these loons will miss a chance to use a good tragedy, and it will become politicized, and polarized. It happened with the IKEA stabbings, it happened when a football supporter beat another supporter to death (feminist picked that one up, "toxic masculinity" etc), and it's going to happen this time as well - and you can almost feel how everyone in media and on social media is just holding their breath while in starting position, just waiting for the pieces to fall before they start spinning...

It's disgusting.

* (Swedish media completely lost it after the IKEA stabbings, where an Eritrean immigrant stabbed two persons to death at an IKEA after his request for asylum got rejected - People really went "WTF" when the headlines weren't about the stabbings but article after article stating that Sweden really had become a safer country etc.)

#27671

Pitchguest wrote:This is bizarre.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sword ... lt-n449016

It's not bizarre at all; it is proof that labels can hurt.

If they had named the city Manhattan ... or, better yet: Womanhattan ... instead of Trollhattan, then it never would have happened.

#27672

YouTube, and the Internet in general are still an honour culture. Since there is no watchful Leviathan that disarms everyone and metes out punishment when someone steps over the line, the individuals must do it themselves. Harsher retaliation becomes a deterrence for similar situations in the future. This is where the mythical “honour” comes in, an invisible bubble that must be accepted and respected, or else.

That's the dilemma: suppose Thunderf00t had not shown Yelp and had — as I hope he would — steered away from retaliation, and encouraged people instead to respond with the established methods, mocking and rebutting, would this be enough to deter SJWs, or would they just try again with a smaller target? I am pessimistic about the state of affairs. The secular movement is to blame for this, which accepted and supported the SJW-led escalations for years.

#27673

Service Dog wrote:I still joke about being homeless, but I've had a room for over a month.
It's 5'2" wide by under-8-feet long. I sleep on a yoga mat on the floor & can touch all 4 walls at once.
It has a window. I don't know what its original purpose was. Laundry room? Walk-in pantry?
The couple whose apartment I'm-in treat me like family, but the wife is pregnant & this will become the baby's room.
The only drawback is I can't keep my dog here, so I only get limited 'custody' visits, if/when my ex feels like cooperating.

I spend too much time on the yoga mat, online. I've started taking 10mg of Prozac/day, half the lowest usual adult dose...
from a friend's leftover bottle. To see if that helps me will-myself to take care of Normal Life Shit I've been neglecting.

The same pretty, smart, fun, young, professional girl-- who I'm not fucking-- the one I went to the museum with a few days ago-- invited me to an opening tonight, at a gallery where I worked in livelier times. Agreeing by text to go, I felt like she was scraping me off the yoga mat with a spatula. But I was happy to go.

I've installed the artist's work before, but we don't have much affinity. He perpetually has a blank look and retarded smile. Inarticulate, like he's on acid, or not really listening. The press release said 6pm, but the opening was supposed to be 7. At 6, a half-dozen grubby psychedelic cohorts were still hanging dozens of small, framed, colorful artworks.

I volunteered to help & was assigned to string-together a hundred brightly-colored children's cassette tapes, on long strands of galvanized steel aircraft cable, as a sculpture. The cassettes' uneven shape caused them to hang in a helix-twist pattern. The frayed cable ends pinpricked my fingers as I assembled the thing. I didn't complete the task before doors-opened; so the unfinished sculpture was chucked in a back room.

I like taking panoramic shots of art openings, because the white cube rooms mess-up perspective & the moving people turn cubist. Click to see the art better:
http://i.imgur.com/PGjnZQY.jpg

The gallery's head installer is female, which is unusual. I only see her in ripped t-shirts & threadbare paint-stained jeans. She does dirty work like a man, which is sexy. She's got a face like Napoleon Dynomite, & Urquel glasses: adorable. Total hipster. Tonight she switched to a silly dress at the last second & stole the show from chicks who actually exerted-themselves to look good.
http://i.imgur.com/sF5lBQ5.jpg

The purpose of this post is to again-say how odd it is that the presence & attention of attractive women matters so-much in feeling like I had a good day. And how the kindergarden-craft-project of lacing the cassettes together-- was Enough to feel like I'd done something productive today. It's funny how little it takes.

Service Dog, your running narratives are lyric, evocative, humorous, disturbing, and fascinating. You have the gift of teasing the metaphysical out of the mundane. Your photos each contain some technical flaw that serves to entrance the viewer and draw them into the scene. Your photos are alive.

It's like reading The Basketball Diaries illustrated by Kertesz. You really need to publish this shit.

#27674

Cnutella wrote:Well if you believe that White Knight dude, she is willing to post an apology vid if Tf00t takes his video down.

Sorry. I would not bite on what White Knight dude is saying. First off it is like sending in a lawyer. She is not responsible for anything he says or agrees to. Hell, her reasoning capabilities as seen from prior videos would make me doubt she would know how to make an apology video in the first place. Demands for compliance are being made up front so that she can North Korea half ass her end of any bargain after the fact. If she isn't adult enough to have a conversation, I wouldn't trust anything agreed on.

Thunderf00t is playing this smart. She doesn't need to convince Thunderf00t of anything. She needs to convince the internet public that she isn't going to go after their employment for disagreeing with her politics and now sees this as a bad thing.

#27675

Cnutella wrote:The risk Thunderf00t runs is his employers facing some kind of SJW retaliation - although they seem to lack much in the way of hacking talent, there are a few among their ranks who appear to be able to coordinate DDoS attacks, or at least know who to pay to carry one out. I imagine his institute would be irritated if that happened and he probably wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on if they took issue with it. But these are the risks that come with taking a hard line.

I can see a few potential weaknesses in thunderf00t's position, but I'll just keep those to myself.

#27676

acathode wrote:
* (Swedish media completely lost it after the IKEA stabbings, where an Eritrean immigrant stabbed two persons to death at an IKEA after his request for asylum got rejected - People really went "WTF" when the headlines weren't about the stabbings but article after article stating that Sweden really had become a safer country etc.)

I find it very strange. I moved to Sweden in 2007 and I'm only just starting to get accustomed to reading between the lines. It's next to impossible to get a clear idea of what's going on without reading foreign and 'alternative' media, and nobody seems capable of having an honest discussion about any of the problems current festering below the surface.

I hope you forgive me for saying but I think this country is completely fucking crazy and I'm planning to leave as soon as I can. Which is a shame because it's also probably the most beautiful country in the world.

#27677

Kirbmarc wrote:LW's unethical behavior was committed as a private citizen, not as part of her job, so there's more justification for keeping her and her job separate.

LW went after thunderf00t's source of income. She owns the company (marital asset). She invited thunderf00t and other's to come at her company, while thundf00t did not invite people to go after his employer. She brought her company into this.

Kirbmarc wrote:Tf would be well within his rights to sue her for defamation (and he would probably still ruin her business in the process) but Internet vigilantism isn't an ethical answer to LW's crime.

And I am not convinced that taking punches and not swinging back is always the right way to go.

#27678

acathode wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:This is bizarre.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sword ... lt-n449016

Twenty minutes from where I live, a man decided to walk into a school and cut students and teachers down with a sword. Four injured, one dead.

I used to go to that library when I was a kid.

Seriously. Fuck that guy.
Yeah, it's insane, Sweden's first school "shooting" incident. One of the injured 11 year old boys just died as well... Not a fun day.

It's made even worse by the fact that everyone are more or less holding their breaths, waiting to find out the ethnicity of the murderer and the victims. If it's a immigrant who did it, the populist anti-immigrants are going to have a wank-fest for weeks, while the traditional media winds up their defensive propaganda machine, like they did after the IKEA-stabbings*.

If it's a Swede who attacked the school, then the reverse will happen, media will find some angle to spin it for their narrative while the populists goes on the defensive...

No matter what, none of these loons will miss a chance to use a good tragedy, and it will become politicized, and polarized. It happened with the IKEA stabbings, it happened when a football supporter beat another supporter to death (feminist picked that one up, "toxic masculinity" etc), and it's going to happen this time as well - and you can almost feel how everyone in media and on social media is just holding their breath while in starting position, just waiting for the pieces to fall before they start spinning...

It's disgusting.

* (Swedish media completely lost it after the IKEA stabbings, where an Eritrean immigrant stabbed two persons to death at an IKEA after his request for asylum got rejected - People really went "WTF" when the headlines weren't about the stabbings but article after article stating that Sweden really had become a safer country etc.)

from this photo I'm guessing it's going to be the second scenario:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpspro ... cfa936.jpg

#27679

acathode wrote:Spoiler:

The ending.... the town got together and executed reality by hanging. :clap:
I can't wait to see the SJWs lose their shit over this episode... :popcorn:

It appears that the SJWs are seeing the episode as being 50-50 and not taking a clear stand on the issue.

The show had butters filtering people's twitter accounts of all the bad stuff said about them for the stupid choice they made and how much happier that made them.

As long as the show was setting up safe spaces, the SJW crowd saw nothing intrinsically wrong with that. In fact they saw that as a positive. They had already hung Mr. Reality.

#27680

franc wrote:Ron Lindsay wants you to take him seriously -

Ok, but there's an article on The Mary Sue, touted by the r/GamerGhazi, which says Captain America is "finally" taking
a stand on a social issue-- immigration-- breaking with "seven decades" of the character's publication.
"Captain America Taking A Political Stance Is Long Overdue"
http://www.themarysue.com/captain-ameri ... g-overdue/

The feminists acknowledge, in passing, that Captain America knocked-out Hitler on the cover of issue #1, two years before US troops joined the fighting in Europe...
http://i.imgur.com/KUe8gZJ.jpg

But the feminists ignore storylines like-- in 1974, when Cap was disgusted by Nixon's conduct in Watergate, so he put aside the flag costume and Captain America name to become "Nomad" "the man without a country".

Howabout 1976, when Captain America shared equal billing & a bedroom with his
equal-partner (not 'sidekick') Falcon (not 'Black Falcon').
http://i.imgur.com/DMe9RTD.jpg

In Invaders #26-28, from 1978, Cap's sidekick Toro was on the verge of death, and the only doctor who could save him was a patriotic Japanese-American doctor-- who was being treated like an enemy in an Internment Camp.

In 1987, Steve Rogers refused to blindly follow Pentagon orders, resigning to wear a black uniform & follow his conscience.

In 2006-2007 the Civil War storyline involved ~~CIA~~ S.H.I.E.L.D. director Nick Fury trumping-up false WMD claims against Dr. Doom to trigger an invasion of a faraway dictatorship. Iron Man Tony Stark got involved, spying on American's privacy. And Captain America dissented-- switching to a postal uniform to go incognito, leading a resistance cell of disillusioned super-heroes in the wake of Black Goliath being murdered by a white-supremacist clone of Thor working for the US govt. He was assassinated on his way to court for treason.

--

Like I said, the other day... SJWs only love pop culture if it can be made to help them hate. I don't believe the white supremacist hashtag-- boycotting the new Star Wars film-- is real... It's reverse-psychology viral advertising, immunization against SJWs launching their own attack.

#27681

Cnutella wrote:It may just be Laughing Witch's bruised ego, but something about the way she appears to be reacting to the backlash seems weird to me.

It isn't weird at all if you assume she wishes to tear thunderf00t a new asshole, and wants to post a video tearing him limb from limb, but is concerned about the shit hole she has caused and how she is going to deal with her husband over ruining their business.

Now any potential online actions will be overseen by her husband who probably ignored them for the most part.

I honestly don't think this is going to kill off their business. I think it will just reduce profits for a short while and they will bounce back.

#27682

Service Dog wrote:
franc wrote:Ron Lindsay wants you to take him seriously -

Ok, but there's an article on The Mary Sue, touted by the r/GamerGhazi, which says Captain America is "finally" taking
a stand on a social issue-- immigration-- breaking with "seven decades" of the character's publication.
"Captain America Taking A Political Stance Is Long Overdue"
http://www.themarysue.com/captain-ameri ... g-overdue/

The feminists acknowledge, in passing, that Captain America knocked-out Hitler on the cover of issue #1, two years before US troops joined the fighting in Europe...
http://i.imgur.com/KUe8gZJ.jpg

But the feminists ignore storylines like-- in 1974, when Cap was disgusted by Nixon's conduct in Watergate, so he put aside the flag costume and Captain America name to become "Nomad" "the man without a country".

Howabout 1976, when Captain America shared equal billing & a bedroom with his
equal-partner (not 'sidekick') Falcon (not 'Black Falcon').
http://i.imgur.com/DMe9RTD.jpg

In Invaders #26-28, from 1978, Cap's sidekick Toro was on the verge of death, and the only doctor who could save him was a patriotic Japanese-American doctor-- who was being treated like an enemy in an Internment Camp.

In 1987, Steve Rogers refused to blindly follow Pentagon orders, resigning to wear a black uniform & follow his conscience.

In 2006-2007 the Civil War storyline involved ~~CIA~~ S.H.I.E.L.D. director Nick Fury trumping-up false WMD claims against Dr. Doom to trigger an invasion of a faraway dictatorship. Iron Man Tony Stark got involved, spying on American's privacy. And Captain America dissented-- switching to a postal uniform to go incognito, leading a resistance cell of disillusioned super-heroes in the wake of Black Goliath being murdered by a white-supremacist clone of Thor working for the US govt. He was assassinated on his way to court for treason.

--

Like I said, the other day... SJWs only love pop culture if it can be made to help them hate. I don't believe the white supremacist hashtag-- boycotting the new Star Wars film-- is real... It's reverse-psychology viral advertising, immunization against SJWs launching their own attack.

Captain America is the easiest character to misinterpret if people know fuck all about the history. I mean, he's Captain America, isn't he? Must be jingoistic. And okay, maybe he was when he fought Hitler but fuck, if you can't be jingoistic fighting Nazis, when can you? But ever since he's been the conscience of America not its blunt instrument.

#27683

"Sorry, Einstein. Quantum Study Suggests ‘Spooky Action’ Is Real."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/scien ... tions.html

#27684

http://i.imgur.com/73WTzAe.png

#27685

Dave wrote:Speaking of Yelp, they appear to have bigger issues on their mind than some bad reviews for tub-finisher:

http://nbc.com.co/yelp-sues-south-park- ... r-episode/

I hardly even knew Yelp. For reviews on Danish businesses I mostly end up on Trustpilot. Which has the same problem, namely: to what degree can you *cough* trust them?

#27686

dogen wrote:
paddybrown wrote:
JackSkeptic wrote:What Thunderfoot did in his video is wrong.
Meh, live by the sword, die by it. Looks like a clear case of self-defence to me.
I believe the concern is for the collateral damage -- if the company loses business because of the blowback, then that will impact the employees who are wholly innocent in the process.

Hmmm, and by that you mean: Tim Hunt, shirtgate, donglegate, Abbie Smith, Justin Vacula, Shermer, Tfoot, Victims of (certain) paedophiles and I could go on and on. Were NOT innocent?

I'm sorry if Johnny six pack and Tracy vodka and Redbull gets caught in the crossfire though I don't want to be sleepwalked into 1984. Also this is not a 'the end justifies the means' argument because it should only be used against those that are alright with this tactic and promote it in the first place.

#27687

:dance:

[youtube]eFTLKWw542g[/youtube]

#27688

Service Dog wrote:http://i.imgur.com/73WTzAe.png

Captain Liberal?

Nah. I have nothing against Liberals. I think it is time for Captain Social Justice!

#27689

NoGodsEver wrote:
deLurch wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:This is bizarre.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sword ... lt-n449016
Twenty minutes from where I live, a man decided to walk into a school and cut students and teachers down with a sword. Four injured, one dead.
I used to go to that library when I was a kid.
Seriously. Fuck that guy.
7 Billion people on this planet. There are bound to be some people with significant mental illnesses willing to kill innocent people for delusional reasons.
Yep, the only thing surprising is that there isn't more of this stuff, given how many people share this planet. I would expect stuff like this to be happening all day, every day.
Still sucks, of course.

Sweden needs tougher sword control laws.

#27690

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Your photos

Thanks. Here's an old batch-- probably ppreviously ppposted .

#27691

Ericb wrote:from this photo I'm guessing it's going to be the second scenario:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpspro ... cfa936.jpg

Might very well be, might even be this really is a racially motivated hate crime, since the school had a lot of immigrant students and there are rumors circulating that his social media stuff was filled with racist/nazi shit - but then there's rumors that the "racist/nazi" stuff really isn't, and that it's just the SJWish progressives that are just abusing the labels as usual, to spin it in their direction (think Elliot Rodgers, and how the bodybuilding forum he posted on became a "misogynistic MRA forum" in the media narrative, etc).

Currently, no on really know, I guess we'll see tomorrow...

#27692

acathode wrote:
Ericb wrote:from this photo I'm guessing it's going to be the second scenario:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/320/cpspro ... cfa936.jpg
Might very well be, might even be this really is a racially motivated hate crime, since the school had a lot of immigrant students and there are rumors circulating that his social media stuff was filled with racist/nazi shit - but then there's rumors that the "racist/nazi" stuff really isn't, and that it's just the SJWish progressives that are just abusing the labels as usual, to spin it in their direction (think Elliot Rodgers, and how the bodybuilding forum he posted on became a "misogynistic MRA forum" in the media narrative, etc).

Currently, no on really know, I guess we'll see tomorrow...

Going to a school to cut down young children? I blame the new Star Wars movie.

https://veuwer.com/i/39v0.jpg

#27693

rayshul wrote:Did we link to this already? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magaz ... d=fb-share

People are strange. How weird is it really to believe in gods and ghosts and UFOs when otherwise intelligent and sane people can believe sincerely that they are helping people communicate in this way, even to the extent that they believe the other person is in love with them?

#27694

de Lurch; I checked the links you left and agree with you on the yelp thing.
Tf00t's video I think is mainly against the work harassment thing, however the last few minutes where he talks about internet backlash, whether he intended it or not probably encouraged the yelp thing.
With any luck, there won't be any lasting damage to the employees or the company and possibly if the nasty witch is kept out of the business there could be a long term benefit.
If her business persona is anything like her online one, I can visualize the employees running around singing Ding Dong the Witch is Dead. :dance:

#27695

DaveDodo007 wrote:
dogen wrote:I believe the concern is for the collateral damage -- if the company loses business because of the blowback, then that will impact the employees who are wholly innocent in the process.
Hmmm, and by that you mean: Tim Hunt, shirtgate, donglegate, Abbie Smith, Justin Vacula, Shermer, Tfoot, Victims of (certain) paedophiles and I could go on and on. Were NOT innocent?

Can you walk us through your reasoning here? That seems like a non-sequitur.

How did you get from:
(a) LW's employees are innocent and could be harmed
to
(b) Tim Hunt, et. al. are not innocent

By my read, (a) doesn't imply (b) in any sense or to any degree.

#27696

Cunning Punt wrote:
rayshul wrote:Did we link to this already? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magaz ... d=fb-share

People are strange. How weird is it really to believe in gods and ghosts and UFOs when otherwise intelligent and sane people can believe sincerely that they are helping people communicate in this way, even to the extent that they believe the other person is in love with them?

Frontline did an expose on Facilitated Communication in 1993:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /1202.html

NARRATOR: But critics like Shane were amazed at the sophisticated output. Autistic children of 5 and 6 produced perfectly spelled sentences. ["I cry a lot about my disability ... It makes me feel bad when I can't do my work by myself." Andrew, age 6] Where had they learned to read and write? [Please heed my need. I need to heed others. I this reason think the world they need heed like we heed brothers." Manny, 2nd grade]

A difficult question had to be faced. Was the typing coming from the autistic individual or from the facilitator? ["Am I a slave or am I free ... Am I trapped or can I be seen ... As an easy and rational spirit ... Am I in hell or am I in heaven."]

Dr. SHANE: The outcomes that were being reported were just so far out of line with what anyone had ever found. They're communicating in grammatically complete sentences. They're marking the tense correctly. Their spelling is accurate. They have insights that go far beyond their years.

NARRATOR: When Betsy was shown a picture of a dog, she didn't type "dog," but "sneakers," what the facilitator saw.

Dr. SHANE: Okay. Want to take a look at that one?

NARRATOR: When Betsy was shown a boat, she didn't type "boat," but "sandwich," what the facilitator saw.

Dr. SHANE: Okay, here's the next one.

Mr. WORDEN: It was just devastating to watch because what you saw was that words being typed out were the words the facilitator had seen. And, you know, it was just-- it was just so clear and so unmistakable. I was sitting there watching this and saying, "My God, it's really true. This stuff is bogus."

Dr. SHANE: What I found was that whenever the pictures were different, I always received the typed message that was seen by the facilitator, so that was pretty strong evidence that not only was Betsy not communicating, but the messages were being absolutely, totally directed and authored by the facilitator.

NARRATOR: Shane then tried a message-passing test. He took Betsy out into the corridor and showed her an object out of sight of her facilitator.

Dr. SHANE: Betsy, now I'm going to show you something. Take a look at this. You take this. Now, what is that? Give it back to me. We're going back in. I want you to tell everybody what I showed you.

When we went back into the room, she was unable to type the word "key." I then took another key out of my pocket and said, with the facilitator present, "What is this?" and she immediately typed, "key." So again it suggests that when the facilitator is aware of the information, we get the answer, but when the facilitator is unaware of the information, we don't get an answer.

NARRATOR: The only logical conclusion of the test was that the terrible accusations had been authored not by Betsy, but by her facilitator. The Wheatons are now reunited. The facilitator, devastated by the test results, stopped using facilitated communication and persuaded Betsy's school to stop using it, as well.

After using F/C for over a year, the O.D. Heck Center in Schenectady began discussing whether they should do their own test of facilitated communication.

Ms. PITSAS: My first reaction was, "Why would we ever want to test it? It's working." We-- there were things that people-- that individuals who typed with me typed that I didn't remember consciously being aware of, so I thought, "Well, that's proof enough. Why should we need to test these people? It's their communication."

#27697

LW's white knight Kevin Logan. The guy that wants Tf00t to take down his video first and see if LW apologizes demonstrates how fair minded he is, start at 59:00:
[youtube]33W06NHOup4[/youtube]

#27698

WHY DO WE NEED TO TEST IT IF IT'S ALREADY TRUE?

IF YOU'RE SO INNOCENT, WHY WON'T YOU ADMIT THAT YOU'RE NOT?

IF IT AINT BROKE, JIM'LL FIX IT.

#27699

Service Dog wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:
rayshul wrote:Did we link to this already? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magaz ... d=fb-share

People are strange. How weird is it really to believe in gods and ghosts and UFOs when otherwise intelligent and sane people can believe sincerely that they are helping people communicate in this way, even to the extent that they believe the other person is in love with them?
Frontline did an expose on Facilitated Communication in 1993:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /1202.html

NARRATOR: But critics like Shane were amazed at the sophisticated output. Autistic children of 5 and 6 produced perfectly spelled sentences. ["I cry a lot about my disability ... It makes me feel bad when I can't do my work by myself." Andrew, age 6] Where had they learned to read and write? [Please heed my need. I need to heed others. I this reason think the world they need heed like we heed brothers." Manny, 2nd grade]

A difficult question had to be faced. Was the typing coming from the autistic individual or from the facilitator? ["Am I a slave or am I free ... Am I trapped or can I be seen ... As an easy and rational spirit ... Am I in hell or am I in heaven."]

Dr. SHANE: The outcomes that were being reported were just so far out of line with what anyone had ever found. They're communicating in grammatically complete sentences. They're marking the tense correctly. Their spelling is accurate. They have insights that go far beyond their years.

NARRATOR: When Betsy was shown a picture of a dog, she didn't type "dog," but "sneakers," what the facilitator saw.

Dr. SHANE: Okay. Want to take a look at that one?

NARRATOR: When Betsy was shown a boat, she didn't type "boat," but "sandwich," what the facilitator saw.

Dr. SHANE: Okay, here's the next one.

Mr. WORDEN: It was just devastating to watch because what you saw was that words being typed out were the words the facilitator had seen. And, you know, it was just-- it was just so clear and so unmistakable. I was sitting there watching this and saying, "My God, it's really true. This stuff is bogus."

Dr. SHANE: What I found was that whenever the pictures were different, I always received the typed message that was seen by the facilitator, so that was pretty strong evidence that not only was Betsy not communicating, but the messages were being absolutely, totally directed and authored by the facilitator.

NARRATOR: Shane then tried a message-passing test. He took Betsy out into the corridor and showed her an object out of sight of her facilitator.

Dr. SHANE: Betsy, now I'm going to show you something. Take a look at this. You take this. Now, what is that? Give it back to me. We're going back in. I want you to tell everybody what I showed you.

When we went back into the room, she was unable to type the word "key." I then took another key out of my pocket and said, with the facilitator present, "What is this?" and she immediately typed, "key." So again it suggests that when the facilitator is aware of the information, we get the answer, but when the facilitator is unaware of the information, we don't get an answer.

NARRATOR: The only logical conclusion of the test was that the terrible accusations had been authored not by Betsy, but by her facilitator. The Wheatons are now reunited. The facilitator, devastated by the test results, stopped using facilitated communication and persuaded Betsy's school to stop using it, as well.

After using F/C for over a year, the O.D. Heck Center in Schenectady began discussing whether they should do their own test of facilitated communication.

Ms. PITSAS: My first reaction was, "Why would we ever want to test it? It's working." We-- there were things that people-- that individuals who typed with me typed that I didn't remember consciously being aware of, so I thought, "Well, that's proof enough. Why should we need to test these people? It's their communication."

Amazing, isn't it? Confirmation bias on steroids. And what cognitive dissonance that "facilitator" must have felt. It's so rare for some bullshit claim to be debunked so completely. It's usually at most an absence of evidence, which the deluded can usually explain away.

#27700

Jezebel doesnt even have the courtesy to preface it with, "If I were a man . . . " :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is Oppression! Misandry! They would never have an article on "How to cunt punt a woman!

I blame the Matriarchy!

:lol:

PS -- That picture is definitely NOT how to do it.

#27701

rayshul wrote:Did we link to this already? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magaz ... d=fb-share

Facilitated communication is all kinds of fucked up and the facilitators come across as the worst kind of self-rationalizing woo-peddlers (although I don't doubt their conscious motives).

However, I was quite interested by this:

At the conference, I interviewed, through typing, a teenager named Matt who spoke only in echolalic phrases — things he had heard and couldn’t help repeating. ‘‘Aunt June will be right back!’’ he kept shrieking. ‘‘Nobody’s having bread! Where’s Aunt June?’’ But with a facilitator’s left hand on his shoulder and her right hand beneath his armpit, he spelled out a sober proclamation: ‘‘I came here to affirm a commitment to facilitated communication. I would spend life locked in a prison of silence without it.’’

I suspect that there's some sort of non-verbal process going on here whereby the assisted is picking up on some sort of cue from the facilitator, but I am curious to know what. Of course, the hidden object test would work just as well. Not that a negative result is going to convince the FC community and its supporters. After all:

‘‘Simply achieving success means you didn’t need support in the first place,’’ Ashby said with exasperation. ‘‘Several years ago, one of the biggest F.C. skeptics offered something like $100,000 to any F.C. user who would go and pass his double-blind test,’’ Ashby said. ‘‘Do you know how badly I wanted to get one of the people I know and love to go do that? Just because I wanted to stick it in his face and use that money to do good work in the world. But I would never subject somebody to that.’’

‘‘No!’’ cried a facilitator in the room.

‘‘Who would do that?’’ Ashby said, shaking her head. ‘‘That is the most inhumane thing I’ve ever heard of. You go in to see this person who despises you, who thinks you are incompetent and incapable. And you go perform in front of them, like a show pony. And if you can do it, then he’ll still say that you probably weren’t autistic to begin with.’’

And what a blow that would be.

#27702

Parody Accountant wrote:
Service Dog wrote:I still joke about being homeless, but I've had a room for over a month.
It's 5'2" wide by under-8-feet long. I sleep on a yoga mat on the floor & can touch all 4 walls at once.
It has a window. I don't know what its original purpose was. Laundry room? Walk-in pantry?
The couple whose apartment I'm-in treat me like family, but the wife is pregnant & this will become the baby's room.
The only drawback is I can't keep my dog here, so I only get limited 'custody' visits, if/when my ex feels like cooperating.

I spend too much time on the yoga mat, online. I've started taking 10mg of Prozac/day, half the lowest usual adult dose...
from a friend's leftover bottle. To see if that helps me will-myself to take care of Normal Life Shit I've been neglecting.

The same pretty, smart, fun, young, professional girl-- who I'm not fucking-- the one I went to the museum with a few days ago-- invited me to an opening tonight, at a gallery where I worked in livelier times. Agreeing by text to go, I felt like she was scraping me off the yoga mat with a spatula. But I was happy to go.

I've installed the artist's work before, but we don't have much affinity. He perpetually has a blank look and retarded smile. Inarticulate, like he's on acid, or not really listening. The press release said 6pm, but the opening was supposed to be 7. At 6, a half-dozen grubby psychedelic cohorts were still hanging dozens of small, framed, colorful artworks.

I volunteered to help & was assigned to string-together a hundred brightly-colored children's cassette tapes, on long strands of galvanized steel aircraft cable, as a sculpture. The cassettes' uneven shape caused them to hang in a helix-twist pattern. The frayed cable ends pinpricked my fingers as I assembled the thing. I didn't complete the task before doors-opened; so the unfinished sculpture was chucked in a back room.

I like taking panoramic shots of art openings, because the white cube rooms mess-up perspective & the moving people turn cubist. Click to see the art better:
http://i.imgur.com/PGjnZQY.jpg

The gallery's head installer is female, which is unusual. I only see her in ripped t-shirts & threadbare paint-stained jeans. She does dirty work like a man, which is sexy. She's got a face like Napoleon Dynomite, & Urquel glasses: adorable. Total hipster. Tonight she switched to a silly dress at the last second & stole the show from chicks who actually exerted-themselves to look good.
http://i.imgur.com/sF5lBQ5.jpg

The purpose of this post is to again-say how odd it is that the presence & attention of attractive women matters so-much in feeling like I had a good day. And how the kindergarden-craft-project of lacing the cassettes together-- was Enough to feel like I'd done something productive today. It's funny how little it takes.
You pump me up. Good shit!

Silly dress girl seems mysterious and alluring. Make sure that the paint stains aren't free bleeding marks, and you are good to go

Looks like a nightie to me rather than a dress

#27703

moar Kevin Logan:
[youtube]PB_NB5KA_2M[/youtube]

#27704

Actually, I bet most of the rational communicating minds locked up in the prisons of their bodies would probably want to win $100K if given half the chance.

Of course, you'd have to ask them through their assistants, so I bet the answer would be "no" across the board.

#27705

Service Dog wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:
rayshul wrote:Did we link to this already? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magaz ... d=fb-share

People are strange. How weird is it really to believe in gods and ghosts and UFOs when otherwise intelligent and sane people can believe sincerely that they are helping people communicate in this way, even to the extent that they believe the other person is in love with them?
Frontline did an expose on Facilitated Communication in 1993:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... /1202.html

The scary thing is that this stuff is still being used, apparently. For example here's a report from a pilot study done in a Maryland public school district in 2013-2014.

The Office of Special Education and Student Services (OSESS) asked the Office of Shared Accountability (OSA) to conduct an evaluation of a new initiative in the 2013 – 2014 school year, the Facilitated Communication Pilot. This evaluation focused on the scope and fidelity of implementation of facilitated communication within the pilot project.

Amazingly, they did not bother to do the simplest and most straight-forward of possible tests - wherein the student was asked to communicate some piece of information that was unknown to the facilitator. This would seem to be a pretty definitive test as the true author of the communication.

No evidence on message passing was collected; during the observations, there was not a situation when the evaluator and the student knew certain information, but the facilitator did not.

Instead, they merely interviewed the facilitators and asked them to describe an example where they typed information that had been previously unknown to them. They also asked school staff (other than the facilitators) to rate on a scale of 1-5 how confident they were that the messages were authored by the students (with 1 being not at all confident and 5 being very confident) and the median was 4.

More than 20 years after this stuff was initially debunked, and this is what passes for a pilot study in a U.S. public school district.

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departme ... _Final.pdf

#27706

The FC thing kind of reminds me of the Indigo Child craze that was popular six or seven years ago, and also overlapped with the autistic caregiver community. As any fule kno, Indigo Children were the manifestations of higher dimensional and/or alien beings in human form, and their destinies were to be future spiritual leaders.

I remember a newspaper in Dallas reported the spiritual pronouncements of some nine-year-old who was wise beyond his years. And then someone in the comments section pointed out that the kid had pretty much described the role of the avatar in The Last Airbender. I did lol.

#27707

http://i.imgur.com/sE2fCas.png
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynam ... 2134_1.jpg

#27708

free thoughtpolice wrote:LW's white knight Kevin Logan. The guy that wants Tf00t to take down his video first and see if LW apologizes demonstrates how fair minded he is, start at 59:00:
[youtube]33W06NHOup4[/youtube]

What a choad.

No fair. He punched back! And it is not fair because it is like totally different!

#27709

CuntajusRationality wrote: Instead, they merely interviewed the facilitators and asked them to describe an example where they typed information that had been previously unknown to them. They also asked school staff (other than the facilitators) to rate on a scale of 1-5 how confident they were that the messages were authored by the students (with 1 being not at all confident and 5 being very confident) and the median was 4.

More than 20 years after this stuff was initially debunked, and this is what passes for a pilot study in a U.S. public school district.

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departme ... _Final.pdf

It's quite amazing that they acknowledge double-blind testing testing studies in the section on literature, but never quite go on to explain why they don't think it's appropriate methodology for their assessment.

There was also the following on how they addressed the question of authorship:

One of the goals for this evaluation was to address concern about authorship of messages for FC users in the FC pilot. To have confidence that each student’s typed message about schoolwork demonstrated the student’s knowledge and learning (as opposed to the facilitator’s), it was important to examine whether the facilitators implemented FC as intended and whether the students acquired the necessary FC skills. Based on observations, the level of implementation by facilitators was moderate for physical and emotional supports, but low for communication support. Students demonstrated a high level of physical skills, but a low level of message production and independence skills. Further, there was a low or moderate level of implementation for the school-based best practices that address authorship.

It's like they went out of their way to avoid the obvious and instead relied entirely on self-reported metrics by teachers and communicators. And even then, the results weren't exactly impressive.

#27710

[youtube]GhQa6RFMoXs[/youtube]

#27711

The Witch should employ a professional intermediary with experiance and a successful track record.

Baxter.

#27712

There is a new plus size womyn super heroine. :clap:
Fortunately she isn't hypersexualized, but unfortunately they covered up all that sexy flesh:
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/10/fait ... qus_thread

#27713

#27714

How does Justin Templer know how those persons self identify? They don't have their personal pronouns listed.

#27715

Speaking of gender identity, I haven't watched much of this. A trans MRA:
[youtube]QH6txXaupLM[/youtube]

#27716

Any chance we can get pz to post about this:

Definitely NSFW, nor the little kiddies looking over your shoulder.

#27717

deLurch wrote:Going to a school to cut down young children? I blame the new Star Wars movie.

.... nope, I wish that I was making this up, but no, not Star Wars, but TJ... Yes, TJ, the Amazing Atheist.

Swedish journalist are right now digging through the killer's social media profiles like vultures and found among other things that he followed TAA ("a controversial anti-ismalistic youtuber")...

Other videos they found he had watched/liked was: a 4chanish nazi-themed Besieged video, National Geographics, anti-immigration Sweden Democrat party videos, Rammstein, and the Swedish anti-immigration youtuber "Angry Foreigner", and Rob Zombie.

In other words, from what's been dug up so far, it seems he was anti-immigration, ie. the same as roughly, I dunno, maybe 20-40% of the Swedish young men in his age-group?

That however, haven't stopped the media from labeling him as having "neo fascist and right wing extremist sympathies".... it's the Chinese whisper game of one media outlet, in this case the far-left organization Expo, labeling some of the stuff as "racist", and then the other news outlets joins in and repeat the accusation until it's true.

(Now, again, that might very well be the case - this might have been a racist hatecrime - but from the actual facts that have been presented so far, we really don't have enough to draw a conclusion about the motive)

#27718

free thoughtpolice wrote:There is a new plus size womyn super heroine. :clap:
Fortunately she isn't hypersexualized, but unfortunately they covered up all that sexy flesh:
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/10/fait ... qus_thread

It's not that I want to see female heroes clad in skimpy outfits, but I also don't totally love that a fat female hero's outfit skews wildly in the other direction. Because then the question is: Is she that covered solely as a reaction to the hypersexualization of (thin) female superheroes, or is she that covered because she is fat? Because fat women aren't supposed to show our bodies? Because fat women aren't supposed to/allowed to be sexy?

It would be hard to draw a fat person in motion be constant with the folds.

#27719

acathode wrote:
deLurch wrote:Going to a school to cut down young children? I blame the new Star Wars movie.
.... nope, I wish that I was making this up, but no, not Star Wars, but TJ... Yes, TJ, the Amazing Atheist.

Swedish journalist are right now digging through the killer's social media profiles like vultures and found among other things that he followed TAA ("a controversial anti-ismalistic youtuber")...

Other videos they found he had watched/liked was: a 4chanish nazi-themed Besieged video, National Geographics, anti-immigration Sweden Democrat party videos, Rammstein, and the Swedish anti-immigration youtuber "Angry Foreigner", and Rob Zombie.

In other words, from what's been dug up so far, it seems he was anti-immigration, ie. the same as roughly, I dunno, maybe 20-40% of the Swedish young men in his age-group?

That however, haven't stopped the media from labeling him as having "neo fascist and right wing extremist sympathies".... it's the Chinese whisper game of one media outlet, in this case the far-left organization Expo, labeling some of the stuff as "racist", and then the other news outlets joins in and repeat the accusation until it's true.

(Now, again, that might very well be the case - this might have been a racist hatecrime - but from the actual facts that have been presented so far, we really don't have enough to draw a conclusion about the motive)

I am thankful that I live in America where we know the proper way to kill children and small animals.

http://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/uplo ... en-gun.jpg

#27720

deLurch wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:LW's white knight Kevin Logan. The guy that wants Tf00t to take down his video first and see if LW apologizes demonstrates how fair minded he is, start at 59:00:
[youtube]33W06NHOup4[/youtube]
What a choad.

No fair. He punched back! And it is not fair because it is like totally different!

Wow, if you wanted to find a real life example of virgin neckbeard trope, Kevin Logan sure fits the bill. What a shithead.