The Refuge of the Toads

[Tigzy]

Well, troll or not, Zenlike truly is one of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

http://i.imgur.com/1kVGxu1.png

Is that David Miscabbage's body on the shoop? The cross like the Scientology one.

Near enough. Tom Cruise's body and Rebecca Watson's face.

[Guest_bd26422e]

Seriously, Com. They're delicious. Not as nice as the gammon I'll be eating in about 10 minutes, but they do wonderful things to a baked spud when you mix them into some beans.



CaughtUpLockedOut.

[comhcinc]

Seriously, Com. They're delicious. Not as nice as the gammon I'll be eating in about 10 minutes, but they do wonderful things to a baked spud when you mix them into some beans.



CaughtUpLockedOut.

No. They are fake. They are liars attempting to trick me into think they are from the belly of a pig. It isn't murder. Meat is murder which is it's secret to be delicious!

[jet_lagg]

This is why the left and the moderate right are losing and the far right is winning (which is something that creeps me out just like Myers says). People buy into racist myths because the police uses water gun on Pedgida protesters but not on the crowds of immigrant harassers, because the police looked away while the Rotherham and Goteborg attacks happened, and because the Guardian says that the "poor Muslims" are so disenfranchised that they're inspired to rape those rich women with i-pads.

This is my concern as well. The more it becomes apparent the government is unable or unwilling to address the concerns of the citizens, the more appealing the vigilante element of the right will become to the average person. Look at the case of Berhard Goetz in New York City. He gunned down 4 young men on the subway after one of them said, "give me five dollars." Goetz had been attacked before, suffering permanent injury, and the offender essentially walked. He wasn't alone either. Crime was rampant, and the police weren't perceived as cracking down hard enough (I stress perceived, because I know there's plenty of debate over whether or not the later zero-tolerance policies were actually what caused the huge reduction in crime). I don't believe Goetz would have pulled that trigger if he perceived his concerns, and the concerns of people like him were being addressed. Certainly, the jury saw it that way, because they let the man go on nothing more than a weapon possession charge.

It's almost as if people aren't entirely stupid and will work outside the system once it becomes clear the system is stacked against them.

[Steersman]

I have a hard time feeling sympathetic for Ally Fogg, because despite occasionally talking sense, he's still willing to curl up at PZ's feet and throw a few potshots at the witch of the week.

Haven't read more than the first few paragraphs though I commend him for at least the theme, and for broaching the issue: The left must speak uncomfortable truths about migration and sexual violence

However, this looks rather like Aneris' "Frankenstein Fallacy" (which I see has been removed from Rational Wiki - cutting too close to the bone?):

... across the media and the internet vast swathes of anti-immigrant right-wingers and racists who had never in their lives uttered a word of concern or complaint about sexual violence suddenly reinvented themselves as the bestest feminists in town, for whom nothing was more important than ensuring that never again would an innocent (ie white) woman be mauled by a disgusting, patriarchal (ie brown) man. ....

So, he's tracked down all of those "right-wingers", confirmed that none of them raised so much as a peep about "sexual violence" before Cologne, and that they are now all vociferous in their condemnation of a whole tribe of "disgusting, patriarchal (brown) men"? Somehow, I kind of doubt it.

In addition, not sure if the point has been raised or not, but it seems that run-of-the-mill sexual violence, while odious and objectionable in itself, is a rather different kettle of fish from Cologne. For one thing, most of the former seem to be assaults by "friends", whereas the latter are strangers, by "rape-gangs".

[John Greg]

Tigzy said, to zenlike (after potato head shoop):

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

Good pun, Tigz, but in the UK, do they say: "You seem to have a crisp on your shoulder"?

[comhcinc]

This is why the left and the moderate right are losing and the far right is winning (which is something that creeps me out just like Myers says). People buy into racist myths because the police uses water gun on Pedgida protesters but not on the crowds of immigrant harassers, because the police looked away while the Rotherham and Goteborg attacks happened, and because the Guardian says that the "poor Muslims" are so disenfranchised that they're inspired to rape those rich women with i-pads.

I overlooked this when I read it earlier but jet lagg reminded me of it. The police used water cannons not water guns. Water guns are toys kids play with in the summer.

[Guest_bd26422e]

No, John, because our "fries" are actually chips, whereas your chips and our crisps are merely very thin slices.

[Steersman]

This is why the left and the moderate right are losing and the far right is winning (which is something that creeps me out just like Myers says). People buy into racist myths because the police uses water gun on Pedgida protesters but not on the crowds of immigrant harassers, because the police looked away while the Rotherham and Goteborg attacks happened, and because the Guardian says that the "poor Muslims" are so disenfranchised that they're inspired to rape those rich women with i-pads.

This is my concern as well. The more it becomes apparent the government is unable or unwilling to address the concerns of the citizens, the more appealing the vigilante element of the right will become to the average person. Look at the case of Berhard Goetz in New York City. He gunned down 4 young men on the subway after one of them said, "give me five dollars." Goetz had been attacked before, suffering permanent injury, and the offender essentially walked. He wasn't alone either. Crime was rampant, and the police weren't perceived as cracking down hard enough (I stress perceived, because I know there's plenty of debate over whether or not the later zero-tolerance policies were actually what caused the huge reduction in crime). I don't believe Goetz would have pulled that trigger if he perceived his concerns, and the concerns of people like him were being addressed. Certainly, the jury saw it that way, because they let the man go on nothing more than a weapon possession charge.

It's almost as if people aren't entirely stupid and will work outside the system once it becomes clear the system is stacked against them.

Indeed. A whole ground-swell of "I'm mad as hell - and I'm not going to take it any more". To coin a phrase.

But while this seems somewhat wide of the mark, it is, maybe, part of the picture:

[AndrewV69]

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BTW: I came across this video via Girls Should Not ‘Provoke’ Migrants By Walking Near Them (Trigger Warning : Breitbart) The usual talking points include:

“Do you think this [sexual harassment] doesn’t exist among Germans”, said the Mayor, resorting to familiar displacement tactics.

Because this sort of deflection has been demonstrated not to work so let us keep using it? I agree that the masses are revolting but they are not entirely stupid and saying this sort of shyte is only going to rile them up.

Anyway, having said all that anyone want to cast any doubts on the authenticity of the video? My German is not good enough to say one way or the other if the translation is correct for starters.

[Kirbmarc]

This is why the left and the moderate right are losing and the far right is winning (which is something that creeps me out just like Myers says). People buy into racist myths because the police uses water gun on Pedgida protesters but not on the crowds of immigrant harassers, because the police looked away while the Rotherham and Goteborg attacks happened, and because the Guardian says that the "poor Muslims" are so disenfranchised that they're inspired to rape those rich women with i-pads.

I overlooked this when I read it earlier but jet lagg reminded me of it. The police used water cannons not water guns. Water guns are toys kids play with in the summer.

Thanks for the correction.

[Eskarina]

Is that David Miscabbage's body on the shoop? The cross like the Scientology one.

Near enough. Tom Cruise's body and Rebecca Watson's face.

Well, the head was obvious. :lol:

[Malky]

Binocular vision has zero to do with it. After all, it is a flat picture.

So are magic eye pictures but you need binocular vision to see those

OK, touché. Yes, there are monocular-stimulus illusions that "fool" the cognitive mechanism involved in using retinal disparity to calculate depth, so I should not have added the second (snide) sentence. But that doesn't change the fact that all reverse-contrast illusions have nothing to do with binocular vision.

Not a problem it is just that when I have a problem seeing an illusion that everyone else seems to see easily I suspect my one eyed vision.

[Malky]

Fun facts:

From 1788 to 1868 Britain transported more than 160,000 convicts to Australia.
Between 1793 and 1850 nearly 200,000 free settlers and assisted immigrants chose to migrate to Australia.

52,000 British convicts were transported to America prior to the Revolution.

The old saw that Australia got the better of the deal because they got the convicts and the Merkins got the puritans isn't totally true after all? The Merkins got both ends of the bad stick?

Which is worst? Being descended from a convict forced to go to Australia or being descended from a person who willing went to Australia after all the convicts was dropped there?

Living in the USA :think:

[AndrewV69]

It's almost as if people aren't entirely stupid and will work outside the system once it becomes clear the system is stacked against them.

You know this is a MRA talking point right?

Anyway,

Expect some really stupid shit to come rolling downhill from the powers-that-be in an attempt to head off action and if this really gets rolling, some really stupid shit will follow.

[Lsuoma]

Jian Ghomeshi goes on trial.

But they didn't mention Moxy Früvous :roll:

[piginthecity]

Plan seems to be congealing for a livestream segment on Sargon of Akkad's channel, maybe this coming Saturday/Sunday (depending on your time zone).

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Richard Dawkins may not speak for me ... but the based Zebra* does !


* aka 'The Tickler'

[free thoughtpolice]

Are these Return of Kings numpties for real? They sound like a right bunch of wankers.

They're all about the Plato and bitches who are 10s.

They are actually real charmers.
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[jet_lagg]

My local KFC (and Subway...Mcdonalds left town) is Halal. I have to go to the Huddersfield (oodersfilled, as we say around here) one for my lady friend's kids occasional greasy treat. Most lamb in the "normal" butchers shops is Halal because it is more profitable for the slaughter houses to just do it all that way.

Vegan bacon bits are fantastic! In fact, I believe the main "Bacon bits" brand is veggie if not vegan.

Ingredients

Defatted Soy Flour, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Water, Salt, Sugar, Artificial and Natural Flavor, Red 40 and Other Color Added, Soy Sauce (Water, Wheat, Soybeans, Salt), Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (Corn, Soy, Wheat).

I like them.

[Service Dog]

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Antony and the Johnsons

I go back a decade & a half-- maybe longer-- with Antony. A friend was in his band. Many clubkids, artists, fags-- overlap in our social circles.
And he was involved in that "Future Feminism" art show at a gallery I go-back 10 years with... which I posted about here on the Pit.

At one time, I considered him a fellow partisan... extended family of a sort. To me, his stage persona was willfully constructed to be a big soft sissy. A character John Lithgow might play... a little boy who never stopped playing dress-up in his mother's frumpy clothes. He'd wear sadsack make-up, a droopy flowery blouse-- and dumpy grandpa khakis with golf shoes.

I'd have pointed to him as an example of how 'my' world knows how to play with gender without being fundamentalist morons.

So I googled Antony when I saw hunnybunny's comment-- and I see him answering an interview question by saying he never told the press to use any specific pronoun (good), but the people closest to him call him 'she' (news to me, but ok), and the media makes him feel dead or invisible or something by calling him 'he' (oh fuck off.)

He's far from the first minor celebrity acquaintance to disappoint me this way-- I wrote about Justin Bond doing-so by wanting to be referred to by a lower case "v" as v's pronoun of choice. People who really-were like family to me seem like strangers now, and they treat me like one for not going-along with this newer, dumber gender schtick.

Even my ex re-shared some gibberish from Pussy Riot the other day, as if they're a fountain of wisdom. I forsee being a lonely old man.

[jet_lagg]

It's almost as if people aren't entirely stupid and will work outside the system once it becomes clear the system is stacked against them.

You know this is a MRA talking point right?

<snip>

They're not wrong.

[John D]

This is why the left and the moderate right are losing and the far right is winning (which is something that creeps me out just like Myers says). People buy into racist myths because the police uses water gun on Pedgida protesters but not on the crowds of immigrant harassers, because the police looked away while the Rotherham and Goteborg attacks happened, and because the Guardian says that the "poor Muslims" are so disenfranchised that they're inspired to rape those rich women with i-pads.

This is my concern as well. The more it becomes apparent the government is unable or unwilling to address the concerns of the citizens, the more appealing the vigilante element of the right will become to the average person. Look at the case of Berhard Goetz in New York City. He gunned down 4 young men on the subway after one of them said, "give me five dollars." Goetz had been attacked before, suffering permanent injury, and the offender essentially walked. He wasn't alone either. Crime was rampant, and the police weren't perceived as cracking down hard enough (I stress perceived, because I know there's plenty of debate over whether or not the later zero-tolerance policies were actually what caused the huge reduction in crime). I don't believe Goetz would have pulled that trigger if he perceived his concerns, and the concerns of people like him were being addressed. Certainly, the jury saw it that way, because they let the man go on nothing more than a weapon possession charge.

It's almost as if people aren't entirely stupid and will work outside the system once it becomes clear the system is stacked against them.

Indeed. A whole ground-swell of "I'm mad as hell - and I'm not going to take it any more". To coin a phrase.

But while this seems somewhat wide of the mark, it is, maybe, part of the picture:

New York was a giant shit hole in the late 70s and through the 80s. I visited with my wife and was repeated and aggressively accosted on the street for money. Once tall black guy crept up behind my wife and got right behind her and started talking obscene shit in her ear. I am just a medium sized guy so a grabbed her arm and we dashed away. The punks would travel in groups and push people around on the subway platforms asking women for money while pushing them toward the tracks. The theater district was full of porn movies and pimps. The place was totally fucked up. I am amazed people put up with as much as they did. Almost ever white person who was not a bleeding heart liberal was happy with what Goetz did.

Now in Detroit the cops practically give you a medal if you shoot robbers. An older woman shot two people as the were jumping out her window with her stuff. She killed one of them as they crawled out of the house. She was treated like a hero in the media and the prosecutor immediately said he would not prosecute. Most people are sick of criminals. This is part of the background to the gun culture in the US. The cops and prosecutors didn't keep us safe and we got sick of it.

I live in a low crime area so I don't have a gun, but I wouldn't think twice about having one if I lived in Detroit proper (or a number of the suburbs).

[Steersman]

Muslim does what Steersman asks:
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:-) Well he didn't actually piss on it, that I saw - just a promise to burn it - but I'll take that as a hopeful harbinger, an encouraging sign. And I've noticed many more ex-Muslims and in-the-closet ones doing similarly - may their tribe increase.

So, Sweden denies this ex-muslim refuge, even though he would be persecuted for his atheism back in Egypt, and even though he's happy to integrate and embrace modern secular democracy with its freedom of religion, but they are allowing others who don't need refuge and who don't want a modern secular democracy. What the fuck is wrong with this picture?

By the way, in honour of that fucking religion, I am trying a new recipe. It's a potato onion casserole that has bacon drippings/scrapings in it. If it turns out good, I will impose my recipe-ocracy on you all later. It's inspired by someone else's recipe, but I've made so many changes that it's my own now. :)

For real? Didn't watch all the video, but that doesn't surprise me at all. Haven't yet figured out whether too many of our "politicians" have their hands in the Saudi cookie jar, or whether they've just disappeared down the rather bottomless SJW rabbit-hole. Somewhat apropos of which since I missed Sacrilege Sunday:

Been thinking of suggesting that a manufacturer of urinals come out with a model with a picture of Muhammad brandishing the Quran in the bowl - sure to be a big seller in some parts of the world, less so in others. And along the same line:

Apparently more of a hope, and propaganda, than a reality, athough it might well still be a set of policies worth considering.

And, just to prove that I'm not (totally) in Fogg's camp of "anti-immigrant right-wingers", you might be interested in this post from a Pakistani-Canadian ex-Muslim woman (Nice Mangos) which is an open letter from her to Sam Harris - and which he has at least acknowledged. But while I sympathize with her concerns, and with many of her quite reasonable arguments, I kind of think this view, by another Pakistani-Canadian, is somewhat more credible, or at least worth a lot of thought:

[AndrewV69]

Jian Ghomeshi goes on trial.

But they didn't mention Moxy Früvous :roll:

Too late for that. Ghomeshi is toast no matter the outcome. The process is punishment and a guilty verdict is just gravy.

My premise is that Ghomeshi failed to notice that the age gap between him and his usual targets was getting wider and that he had already accumulated a lot of pump-and-dumps who were pissed/jealous. Throw in the general societal disapproval of older man/much younger woman exploitation (who's exploiting who actually?) and he was heading for a fall because he was in the end no George Cloony.

*shrug*

Whatever man. Fuck.

[Steersman]

<snip>

On the Kirshenbaum link from 2010 you gave the name Kwok comes up 71 times. I think if you added the number of people who address him as just 'John' it gets closer to a 100. What a steersmanesque prick.

:o :lol: Keep it up - I might yet get, my avatar/name might yet get, its own entry in at least the Urban Dictionary. ;-)

[Brive1987]

Nice to see Dana summon her resolve to join the dogpile.

She frames the logic of her side nicely:

Because honestly, at this point, willingly coupling yourself with Dawkins is basically saying you give not a shit about women, people of color, or reason itself.

FFS.

http://web.archive.org/save/http://free ... the-dregs/

[Steersman]

<snip>

I was reading that twitter thread earlier. And laughing, and thinking you have boundless patience for stupidity KirbMarc.

The guy is anoying but he has got nothing on Steersman.

So I'm worse than him? Oooh-kaaay.

[Brive1987]

What a busy start to the year.

CFI merges with Dawkins
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=444&p=331777&hilit=Cfi#p331777

PZ accuses atheism of raping and murdering feminists
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=444&start=45240

The Orbit counter site is uncovered
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=444&p=332689&hilit=Orbit#p332689

PZ cornered by a rape claim on NDT
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=444&p=333424&hilit ... 87#p333424

Dawkins de-platformed from NECSS
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=444&p=333695&hilit=Necss#p333695

[Satan]

I completely agree with you. I often disagree, even strongly, with what's written on BreitBart but I wouldn't want them to stop saying that I hate. I don't want Steersman to be banned from here, either. The root of the argument for censorship is always that "speech is dangerous" even though it's actions that cause hurt, not speech.

Speech can cause plenty of 'hurt' even in the absence of actions. Case in point: libel, both by individuals with large platforms and through masses of people engaged in public shaming campaigns. Another case in point: Hutu hate radio, which was instrumental in fostering the Rwandan genocide in the 1990s.

Also consider the impact of the US media publishing propaganda to drum up public support for the invasion of Iraq.

Fabricated speech--that is to say, lies--by people with large platforms is incredibly dangerous and ought to be prevented.

[comhcinc]

Nice to see Dana summon her resolve to join the dogpile.

She frames the logic of her side nicely:

Because honestly, at this point, willingly coupling yourself with Dawkins is basically saying you give not a shit about women, people of color, or reason itself.

FFS.

http://web.archive.org/save/http://free ... the-dregs/

Why didn't she go ahead and added in gays and transgendered people? :think:


Also notice these people don't really care about children? You never hear about kids from this group. Self centered assholes.

[DaveDodo007]

Ally twatface Fogg wrote.

I have mostly spent January eye-rolling so hard I’ve practically detached my retinas. It began when news first crept out from Cologne after New Year’s Eve, as across the media and the internet vast swathes of anti-immigrant right-wingers and racists who had never in their lives uttered a word of concern or complaint about sexual violence suddenly reinvented themselves as the bestest feminists in town, for whom nothing was more important than ensuring that never again would an innocent (ie white) woman be mauled by a disgusting, patriarchal (ie brown) man.




Since when did you need to be the 'bestest feminist' to care about rape you stupid cunt. All feminists do is lie about rape statistics and support false rape claims which doesn't help real victims of rape at all. I'm a conservative and apparently I don't care about my wife, mother , sisters, aunties, nieces and women in general etc. Also you don't get to claim this happens in the West anyway faggot, Taharrush Gamesa is a totally new concept in the West and the police couldn't cope with it. I fucking despise creeps like Fogg who demonize people who just want a smaller government and economic competence. Fuck you Fogg you stupid cunt, the left and liberals tried to hide the rapes, then they tried deflection and then went full rape and sexual assault apologetics. Your ideology is responsible for this and we on the right get to call you on it you fucking tosser. I'm no fan of the far right either but they still get to say "we told you this would happen" and no hand waving or denial will changed that. Fucking scum sucking maggot. O and Ally fuck off, twat.

[Kirbmarc]

<snip>

I was reading that twitter thread earlier. And laughing, and thinking you have boundless patience for stupidity KirbMarc.

The guy is annoying but he has got nothing on Steersman.

So I'm worse than him? Oooh-kaaay.

You're way more annoying than him. At least to me. He's a textbook SJW, so he's predictably wrong and childish. You seem reasonable at times but then you come up with authoritarian suggestions for mass deportations of Muslims, or argue for the umpteenth time for the "Nigger-Cunt" hypothesis, or write that according to your definition post-menopausal women are no longer women.

Debating him is easy: he's a broken record and only parrots standard SJW propaganda. When I'm arguing with you I'm never sure whether you'll be making sense or promoting your pet insane thoeries.

Although to be fair you at least have a sense of humor and don't claim that you're being harassed when we call you a robot or when I compared you to a passive-aggressive, incompetent version of Gregory House.

But since I value free speech and discussion I'm willing to engage with you as much as I can. I wouldn't want you in any position of power, though.

[Guestus Aurelius]

DaveDodo007, I'm curious: what do you think about Ally Fogg?

[feathers]

http://i.imgur.com/krA7h0M.jpg

I totally read "...positive attention being a female rider naked on a little street bike" and was wondering how she managed not to make people drive off the road.

[comhcinc]

Although to be fair you at least have a sense of humor

No he doesn't. He just puts random smileys in places where he thinks they go. Sometimes he gets it right.

[Steersman]

DaveDodo007, I'm curious: what do you think about Ally Fogg?

Yea, like totally man. Don't pull any punches - tell us what you really think of Fogg ... ;-)

[feathers]

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Prolly ninjaed, but: should we collect money to send one to St Louis?

[comhcinc]

See above as perfect example.

And feather I doubt they make it in her size.

[AndrewV69]

DaveDodo007, I'm curious: what do you think about Ally Fogg?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ally has an issue in that he is committed to his ideology. Not above all things, but enough that I fear for his sanity at some point.

[John D]

I completely agree with you. I often disagree, even strongly, with what's written on BreitBart but I wouldn't want them to stop saying that I hate. I don't want Steersman to be banned from here, either. The root of the argument for censorship is always that "speech is dangerous" even though it's actions that cause hurt, not speech.

Speech can cause plenty of 'hurt' even in the absence of actions. Case in point: libel, both by individuals with large platforms and through masses of people engaged in public shaming campaigns. Another case in point: Hutu hate radio, which was instrumental in fostering the Rwandan genocide in the 1990s.

Also consider the impact of the US media publishing propaganda to drum up public support for the invasion of Iraq.

Fabricated speech--that is to say, lies--by people with large platforms is incredibly dangerous and ought to be prevented.

The solution to hateful and dishonest speech is more speech.... not less.

[John D]

Ally twatface Fogg wrote.

I have mostly spent January eye-rolling so hard I’ve practically detached my retinas. It began when news first crept out from Cologne after New Year’s Eve, as across the media and the internet vast swathes of anti-immigrant right-wingers and racists who had never in their lives uttered a word of concern or complaint about sexual violence suddenly reinvented themselves as the bestest feminists in town, for whom nothing was more important than ensuring that never again would an innocent (ie white) woman be mauled by a disgusting, patriarchal (ie brown) man.




Since when did you need to be the 'bestest feminist' to care about rape you stupid cunt. All feminists do is lie about rape statistics and support false rape claims which doesn't help real victims of rape at all. I'm a conservative and apparently I don't care about my wife, mother , sisters, aunties, nieces and women in general etc. Also you don't get to claim this happens in the West anyway faggot, Taharrush Gamesa is a totally new concept in the West and the police couldn't cope with it. I fucking despise creeps like Fogg who demonize people who just want a smaller government and economic competence. Fuck you Fogg you stupid cunt, the left and liberals tried to hide the rapes, then they tried deflection and then went full rape and sexual assault apologetics. Your ideology is responsible for this and we on the right get to call you on it you fucking tosser. I'm no fan of the far right either but they still get to say "we told you this would happen" and no hand waving or denial will changed that. Fucking scum sucking maggot. O and Ally fuck off, twat.

I wonder what the real statistics are for comparing convicted rapists and their political opinions. For example... how many convicted rapists would vote for Trump, or Cruz, of Rubio, or Hilary, or Bernie? This would be really interesting.

I suspect Trump would get votes from white rapists and Hilary would get votes from Black rapists... but... this is 100% speculation on my part.

I just can't imagine most convicted rapists would be right-wing conservatives. Most are probably a-political and just fall into the fucking asshole category.

The whole idea that rape culture is a right-wing conservative idea is bizarre to me. Most right-wing conservatives I know would cut the balls off of rapists. Hmmmmm.... SJWs have a really distorted view of the world.

[comhcinc]

I wonder what the real statistics are for comparing convicted rapists and their political opinions. For example... how many convicted rapists would vote for Trump, or Cruz, of Rubio, or Hilary, or Bernie? This would be really interesting.

I suspect Trump would get votes from white rapists and Hilary would get votes from Black rapists... but... this is 100% speculation on my part.

I just can't imagine most convicted rapists would be right-wing conservatives. Most are probably a-political and just fall into the fucking asshole category.

The whole idea that rape culture is a right-wing conservative idea is bizarre to me. Most right-wing conservatives I know would cut the balls off of rapists. Hmmmmm.... SJWs have a really distorted view of the world.

Most convicted rapist can't vote. That fact along means most of them don't really think about it that much.

[HoneyWagon]

So, when did Jaclyn start shilling for woo?
Also, if anyone needs to eat a sammich, it is her

[feathers]

http://i.imgur.com/3JBO0oh.jpg

Wax on, wax off. Wax on, wax off.

[Dave]

So, when did Jaclyn start shilling for woo?
Also, if anyone needs to eat a sammich, it is her

Peezus Fuck! Someone feed that poor girl.

[John D]

I wonder what the real statistics are for comparing convicted rapists and their political opinions. For example... how many convicted rapists would vote for Trump, or Cruz, of Rubio, or Hilary, or Bernie? This would be really interesting.

I suspect Trump would get votes from white rapists and Hilary would get votes from Black rapists... but... this is 100% speculation on my part.

I just can't imagine most convicted rapists would be right-wing conservatives. Most are probably a-political and just fall into the fucking asshole category.

The whole idea that rape culture is a right-wing conservative idea is bizarre to me. Most right-wing conservatives I know would cut the balls off of rapists. Hmmmmm.... SJWs have a really distorted view of the world.

Most convicted rapist can't vote. That fact along means most of them don't really think about it that much.

Thus the lack of useful statistics!

[comhcinc]

So, when did Jaclyn start shilling for woo?
Also, if anyone needs to eat a sammich, it is her

I quit playing attention to her the second time she got caught stealing.

Not sure she was ever a skeptic. Just an atheist.

[Steersman]

<snip>

The guy is annoying but he has got nothing on Steersman.

So I'm worse than him? Oooh-kaaay.

You're way more annoying than him. At least to me. He's a textbook SJW, so he's predictably wrong and childish. You seem reasonable at times but then you come up with authoritarian suggestions for mass deportations of Muslims, or argue for the umpteenth time for the "Nigger-Cunt" hypothesis, or write that according to your definition post-menopausal women are no longer women.

Except now Sweden & Finland are considering such deportations, or at least the principle if not yet the scope. And the infamous NCH is hardly a settled question, and people do insist on bringing it up and suggesting that it is.

As for post-menopausal women, you might notice that the standard definition for "woman" - i.e., "a female human" - clearly makes "female" an adjective, a qualifier, a denoter of a "subclass" of the "superclass" humans - as are men, blacks, people over 6 feet, and train spotters. Lose the underlying attribute or capability - the ability to produce ova in the first case - then you don't reasonably or technically have a right to claim the label. Seems far too many people are making an identity out of such generally ephemeral attributes which is, arguably, at the root of problematic identity politics. Although I do tend to sympathize - I was having a fairly extensive if not acrimonious Twitter argument with some TERFs, and with some dogmatic feminists (redundant adjective?) and "gender essentialists" (which HunnyBunny was taking part in at some point) in which one suggested that I was a eunuch:

Definitely bit of a shock - grabbed my testicles, metaphorically or mentally at least, to check that I was still a man. But I have argued that if I were to have both testicles removed, say because of cancer although having both removed for that is apparently rare, then I would, technically, no longer be a man. Big fucking deal. Rather problematic that so many seem incapable of realizing that "A Man's a Man for a' that"- so to speak.

Debating him is easy: he's a broken record and only parrots standard SJW propaganda. When I'm arguing with you I'm never sure whether you'll be making sense or promoting your pet insane thoeries.

If you're referring to our Twitter conversations then it is rather difficult to get much depth at 140 characters a shot.

Although to be fair you at least have a sense of humor and don't claim that you're being harassed when we call you a robot or when I compared you to a passive-aggressive, incompetent version of Gregory House.

Well, thanks for that at least. Though it seems, according some totally unbiased observers, that my use of smilies is kind of a hit-and-miss affair. Recalibration required .... ;-)

But since I value free speech and discussion I'm willing to engage with you as much as I can. I wouldn't want you in any position of power, though.

Yea, well, absolute power and all that. One of the many saving graces for democracy - theoretically at least. But thanks there too.

[jet_lagg]

Mal from Firefly written as a Randian superhero :lol:

Thanks to Myers for the find actually (though not surprisingly, he and his humorless horde find it just awful)

http://the-toast.net/2016/02/01/ayn-rands-firefly/

[Billie from Ockham]

Not a problem it is just that when I have a problem seeing an illusion that everyone else seems to see easily I suspect my one eyed vision.

People who have never had good binocular vision (or lost the ability when very young) do have "protection" from certain illusions ... i.e., those based on retinal disparity. This includes the so-called "Magic Eye" stuff. But the illusion in question here doesn't involve the mechanisms that resolve retinal disparity, so that shouldn't be the answer.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Hey, did Rachel Dolezal have her baby yet?

Yes, but they're still trying to figure out what race it is.

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[Sunder]

This is part of the background to the gun culture in the US. The cops and prosecutors didn't keep us safe and we got sick of it.

Which is why I find it a bit odd that Peez and co. for the most part (Zvan excepted) are both anti-police and anti-gun.

The typical liberal argument against the misguided heroic fantasy of the lone armed civilian taking down the bad guy(s) is that civilians lack the proper training and a responsive and capable police force is a better bet against violent criminals than vigilantism.

But once you start radically undermining public confidence in the police, what recourse do they have except to either arm themselves or just wait for something bad to happen trusting that no one has their back? What sane person would choose the latter?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

As I watch it, sometimes it seems like it has turned almost 90 degrees, and is about to continue on to do the full 360. At that point something in the illusion breaks down, and my brain slaps itself and says "hey, dude, it's not really doing much of anything".

The key to the reverse-contrast illusion is that the reversals disrupt the mechanism that solves the correspondence problem, as well as those that produce the phi phenomenon (which is the non-object-linked perception of motion). In layman's terms, you lose track of the locations of the objects, such that you don't perceive the jump back to the starting location. Thus, in this case, all you "see" is the right-to-left motion, which seems to repeat continuously, while the mean locations of all objects remains constant.

Cool.

[Sunder]

And dammit Glenn, that's just sad.

[SkepticalCat]

Haha, Jerry Coyne's probably going to get the Dawkins treatment, since he just posted this:

https://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpr ... nknown.png

He prefaced it with : "Given the level of rancor on the Internet about such matters, I feel that I need to say something about the cartoon below, one that’s bound to anger some folks and provoke a chuckle in others. It seems pretty clear to me that the target of the satire is those who employ double standards when it comes to criticizing sexism, showing their own racism (the racism of lowered expectations) rather than the implied racism of those they accuse."

:D

[DaveDodo007]

I completely agree with you. I often disagree, even strongly, with what's written on BreitBart but I wouldn't want them to stop saying that I hate. I don't want Steersman to be banned from here, either. The root of the argument for censorship is always that "speech is dangerous" even though it's actions that cause hurt, not speech.

Speech can cause plenty of 'hurt' even in the absence of actions. Case in point: libel, both by individuals with large platforms and through masses of people engaged in public shaming campaigns. Another case in point: Hutu hate radio, which was instrumental in fostering the Rwandan genocide in the 1990s.

Also consider the impact of the US media publishing propaganda to drum up public support for the invasion of Iraq.

Fabricated speech--that is to say, lies--by people with large platforms is incredibly dangerous and ought to be prevented.

The solution to hateful and dishonest speech is better speech.... not less.

FIFY.

[Satan]

The solution to hateful and dishonest speech is more speech.... not less.

More speech works against minor pests like PZM and Chanty Binx, and against cranks yelling from streetcorners. It doesn't work against people with media ties.

More speech doesn't work against media voices who abuse freedom of speech to spread propaganda from large platforms. People who have the ear of organizations like the Guardian or the NYT can't be shut down with more speech because it's not possible to out-yell platforms the size of the Guardian, much less the size of the New York Times. The only way to deal with these kind of people is to no-platform them, either legally or through commercial pressure.

[windy]

You're way more annoying than him. At least to me. He's a textbook SJW, so he's predictably wrong and childish. You seem reasonable at times but then you come up with authoritarian suggestions for mass deportations of Muslims, or argue for the umpteenth time for the "Nigger-Cunt" hypothesis, or write that according to your definition post-menopausal women are no longer women.

Except now Sweden & Finland are considering such deportations, or at least the principle if not yet the scope.

For failed asylum seekers, not Muslims in general. :hand:

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Sex? There’s this dumbass myth that guys only support feminism to get laid. It’s absurd. Supporting women’s autonomy is not a recipe for getting sex slaves. I’m also boringly monogamous, so even if it were true, I wouldn’t be taking advantage.

My bold above. [PZ] thinks sex means sex slaves. WTF?

A Freudian slip if there ever was one.

[windy]

You're way more annoying than him. At least to me. He's a textbook SJW, so he's predictably wrong and childish. You seem reasonable at times but then you come up with authoritarian suggestions for mass deportations of Muslims, or argue for the umpteenth time for the "Nigger-Cunt" hypothesis, or write that according to your definition post-menopausal women are no longer women.

Except now Sweden & Finland are considering such deportations, or at least the principle if not yet the scope.

For failed asylum seekers, not Muslims in general. :hand: