The Refuge of the Toads

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Post by Keating »

rayshul wrote: Every playboy centerfold.
The literal reading of that was not what I expected.

Pointy, though.

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Post by John Greg »

Bottom line: I don't want to be so alone.

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And no, I don't need a respone to that. I'm just blathering. :snooty:

You are all, well, mostly all, lovely, wonderful people.

So there. :shhh:

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John Greg wrote:Bottom line: I don't want to be so alone.

Buy a ferret.

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John Greg wrote:Bottom line: I don't want to be so alone.

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And no, I don't need a respone to that. I'm just blathering. :snooty:

You are all, well, mostly all, lovely, wonderful people.

So there. :shhh:
We have cunts-a-plenty. Name and shame, folks, here's your chance!

First up, Steerzo, the OFFICIAL Slyme Pit cunt.

Over to y'all...

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Tonight we went 6 hours. Wooo!

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I got a woman from New Zealand to post a story about pro wrestling.


Tell me I am not good.

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Hey, hey, com, I SAID, don't respond.

And no, I will not buy a smelly wee beasty ferrret.

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Lsuoma, our dear FT, said:
We have cunts-a-plenty. Name and shame, folks, here's your chance!

First up, Steerzo, the OFFICIAL Slyme Pit cunt.

Over to y'all...
Hmm. I don't know what you are saying here, but I support it 110%.

:dance: :pray:

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John Greg wrote:Hey, hey, com, I SAID, don't respond.
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John Greg wrote:And no, I will not buy a smelly wee beasty ferrret.
Chicks dig them. I had two chicks gushing over Hitchens tonight.

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Hey-up! Any of you folks into good home cooking?

I am going to start a John Greg's Gustatory Glubberation thread in a couple of days. Think of it as my legacy to the Pit.

It will be almost exclusively pasta recipes.

I hope ya'll 'll follow.

But if you don't well.... :snooty:

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John Greg wrote:Hey-up! Any of you folks into good home cooking?

I am going to start a John Greg's Gustatory Glubberation thread in a couple of days. Think of it as my legacy to the Pit.

It will be almost exclusively pasta recipes.

I hope ya'll 'll follow.

But if you don't well.... :snooty:
I don't know about good but we cook meat at my house.

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comhcinc wrote:Tonight we went 6 hours. Wooo!

[yoootube]hVU0MW-IGrM[/youtube]
You are the 360-minute man.

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comhcinc wrote:
I got a woman from New Zealand to post a story about pro wrestling.


Tell me I am not good.
I was aware of the Von Erich family, but this is because I have a creepy interest in famous people who died young.

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John Greg wrote:Hey-up! Any of you folks into good home cooking?

I am going to start a John Greg's Gustatory Glubberation thread in a couple of days. Think of it as my legacy to the Pit.

It will be almost exclusively pasta recipes.

I hope ya'll 'll follow.

But if you don't well.... :snooty:
I do bad homecooking and am very much up for advice. My latest cooking triumph is creating "posh" ramen which involves other ingredients but mainly still ramen.

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John Greg wrote:Hey, hey, com, I SAID, don't respond.
And no, I will not buy a smelly wee beasty ferrret.
Maybe com will let you stroke his ferret on occasion.

That said, what com said is essentially correct. If you are feeling a tad lonely, a good long term boost is to get an affectionate pet. Even presidents recommend it.

There is a lot more to solving the issue than just that. But a pet will help take the edge off, and help you to avoid the deep lows.

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rayshul wrote:I mean they're kids playing dress up and doing confidence building shit. Girls as far as I know like to pretend to be adults more than boys do (who as far as I can tell from mine, like to pretend to be robots). If there were some here and my kids wanted to do it I'd probably bring them to one.
Here's one for your boys, then.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:That was another cool hangout. Like being in a pub, really. Except, in the pub, my jokes don't fall flat.
But your beer does.

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rayshul wrote: Every playboy centerfold.
Pure nostalgia

Maybe I should go and re-watch 'The Girl Can't Help It' or something starring Mamie Van Doren

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The great Milo/Bindle showdown.

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Evidence that Steersman is an authoritarian cunt:

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I spent all day preparing for my MA thing.

Library logins
Moodle logins
Google calendars filled out for all milestones
Google drive folders - by unit, section and essay
Download of all course reading
Print out first doc ....... and stop

Bugger me. Now I've just remembered I'm meant to be going to Melb tomorrow.

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MA - what is the subject?

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Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:

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Brive1987 wrote:Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:
My knowledge of such things is spotty at best - most of what I learned came from the Flashman memoirs (mentioned by Jim the Pleb the other day).

The other historic encounter that comes to mind was when walking the beach from Walmer to Deal, (or perhaps vice versa), being pleasantly surprised by a small memorial they had set up to mark JC's landing place.

Good luck with it all - what's the time frame for completion?

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JC eh? Ah that would be to mark when Jesus came to Glastonbury? ;)

I'm starting slowly (part time) due to work -ironic - so it will be either 1 or 2 years.

I will be happy if I meet my primary goal of proving the inadequacy of the Sherman ....

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Kirbmarc wrote: Isn't teaching the kids that they should be exhibitionists to get ahead kind of a bad message, though? Being an attention-seeker from young age isn't a good life plan. You're likely to put too much value in your physical appearance (and to develop body image issues later on) to attract a lot of unwanted attention, and to be valued only for your exhibitionism.

And are those children really empowering themselves or only getting their parents to live vicariously through them? There's a video on youtube about a little girl (about 5) who is forced by her mother to climb up a trapeze and do splits even though she's almost crying.
Also I'm not sure that the environment of child modeling shows is safe for children.

Not all concerns are due to "small-minded provincialism".
Teaching kids that they should 'be exhibitionists to get ahead' isn't a bad message.
Because performing confidently & persuasively in public is a valuable skill for a politican, activist, salesperson, musician, actor, comedian, commentator.

Being an 'attention-seeker' IS a good life-plan. Attention-seekers thrive.

If merely participating in a pageant or fashion runway show is to be quantified as putting "too much" value on your physical appearance, resulting in being valued "only" for your exhibitionism, "body image issues", and "unwanted attention"...

...then it's fair to quantify NOT participating in pageants & modeling... as putting Not Enough value on physical appearance, resulting in obesity, poor cardio, deadly infections due to poor hygiene, and a lifetime alone due to lack of attention.

And are those children who participating in, say, Science Fairs, really empowering themselves or only getting their parents to live vicariously through them? There's a video on youtube about a little girl (about 5) who is forced by her mother to compete in a Spelling Bee, even though she's almost crying.

Also I'm not sure that the environment of Not Being On child modeling shows is safe for children... look at all the non-child models starving in the third world.

To exaggerate the harm of child pageant competitions is to agree with fundamentalist muslims, Steersman, proud-weirdo AndrewV69, and fundamentalist feminists. I don't trust their cures to be better than the alleged disease.

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I am just going to leave this here

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Some tweets of interest from Ricky Gervais: And from earlier:
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rayshul wrote:
John Greg wrote:Hey-up! Any of you folks into good home cooking?

I am going to start a John Greg's Gustatory Glubberation thread in a couple of days. Think of it as my legacy to the Pit.

It will be almost exclusively pasta recipes.

I hope ya'll 'll follow.

But if you don't well.... :snooty:
I do bad homecooking and am very much up for advice. My latest cooking triumph is creating "posh" ramen which involves other ingredients but mainly still ramen.
... The basic principle is that It is hard to go wrong if you add olive oil, onions & garlic to whatever you cook.

Anyway, try this:

1. Get a slow cooker.
2. Combine, Beef broth (or water & bullion, or a can of vegatable soup), onions, potatoes, carrots (peel them 1st), in the cooker plus whatever root veggies you feel like and whatever is in the fridge that is no longer fresh, such as mushrooms(slice them), grape tomatoes and whatever.
3. Brown the beef cubes and throw those in.
4. Cook for 4-6 hours. The beef will be tender.
5. Serve with rice (wash the rice before you cook it. Omit the potatoes if too much starch)
6. You want gravy? Mix some flour in cold water, add some liquid from the cooker and mix in a pan on low heat on the stove.

If you have left overs then:
1. Pour the left over liquid from the stew above plus left over carrots, potatoes, onions etc. into a blender and puree.
2. Open a can of mushroom/tomato/whatever into a pot. Add the pureed stuff. Mix.
3. Serve with crackers/bread/whatever.

You can make all kinds of stuff in a slow cooker. You throw in the ingredients, set the temp to low, go to work and when you get back home it is done and ready.

Try chick peas in korma sauce. Lentils and ground beef/pork. Whatever. Use your imagination. Cheat! Do not make your own sauces. Buy them at the supermarket and stretch them with water. I recommend you make your own Alfredo sauce though.

Cooking is a life skill. Everyone should be able to do this. I shared an apartment with a farmboy when I 1st. came to Canukistan and even at that age he knew enough to throw some beef, potatoes & carrots in a roasting pan and put it in the oven and take it out when the timer went ding.

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Service Dog wrote: To exaggerate the harm of child pageant competitions is to agree with fundamentalist muslims, Steersman, proud-weirdo AndrewV69, and fundamentalist feminists. I don't trust their cures to be better than the alleged disease.
Erm ... You are calling me a weirdo? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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comhcinc wrote:Tonight we went 6 hours. Wooo!

[youtube]hVU0MW-IGrM[/youtube]
Fucking-a, you guys went for three and a half more hours after I bowed out? I feel so inadequate :(

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Service Dog wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Isn't teaching the kids that they should be exhibitionists to get ahead kind of a bad message, though? Being an attention-seeker from young age isn't a good life plan. You're likely to put too much value in your physical appearance (and to develop body image issues later on) to attract a lot of unwanted attention, and to be valued only for your exhibitionism.

And are those children really empowering themselves or only getting their parents to live vicariously through them? There's a video on youtube about a little girl (about 5) who is forced by her mother to climb up a trapeze and do splits even though she's almost crying.
Also I'm not sure that the environment of child modeling shows is safe for children.

Not all concerns are due to "small-minded provincialism".
Teaching kids that they should 'be exhibitionists to get ahead' isn't a bad message.
Because performing confidently & persuasively in public is a valuable skill for a politican, activist, salesperson, musician, actor, comedian, commentator.

Being an 'attention-seeker' IS a good life-plan. Attention-seekers thrive.

If merely participating in a pageant or fashion runway show is to be quantified as putting "too much" value on your physical appearance, resulting in being valued "only" for your exhibitionism, "body image issues", and "unwanted attention"...

...then it's fair to quantify NOT participating in pageants & modeling... as putting Not Enough value on physical appearance, resulting in obesity, poor cardio, deadly infections due to poor hygiene, and a lifetime alone due to lack of attention.

And are those children who participating in, say, Science Fairs, really empowering themselves or only getting their parents to live vicariously through them? There's a video on youtube about a little girl (about 5) who is forced by her mother to compete in a Spelling Bee, even though she's almost crying.

Also I'm not sure that the environment of Not Being On child modeling shows is safe for children... look at all the non-child models starving in the third world.

To exaggerate the harm of child pageant competitions is to agree with fundamentalist muslims, Steersman, proud-weirdo AndrewV69, and fundamentalist feminists. I don't trust their cures to be better than the alleged disease.
Such advice! You have some serious experience with parenting or child psychology, I assume? Or is this another knee-jerk, unthinking reaction to feminism? If feminism says something is wrong, it must be right, huh? Of course, it is just about always little girls and not little boys, but because feminists insist there is sexism everywhere, that means there is never any real sexism anywhere.

I don't always agree with Andrew, but if IIRC, he's raising two little girls on his own. I have two of my own and am sheltering another as her parents get their life together. So I must wonder exactly what experience or scientific/academic knowledge you're bringing to bear here. What you advocate doesn't exactly seem sound.

Your persuasive arguments that not entering such contests encourage obesity or being a starving third-world child should carry exactly as much weight as the evidence allows. The many papers that tie such childhood displays to eating disorders should be safely ignored?

This isn't little girls playing dress-up. Nor is it athletics or dance, wherin the child is displaying a degree of hard-earned skill. This is about appearance. This is really about parents, nearly inevitably a mother, making a child jump through hoops to be "attractive."

Also, while science fairs and chess matches and atheletics CAN be a means for parents to live vicariously through their children, many kids actually enjoy these things. Volunteer at a local school, it is fun and as educational for you as it is for the kids. I've volunteered at my kid's school for years, as a chess coach and teaching guitar and ukulele. Helping on your dreaded science fair. Not as entertaining as the adventures of Honey-Boo or whatever, but instructive in it's own right.

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Kirbmarc wrote:Evidence that Steersman is an authoritarian cunt:
Please take the Steersman pledge. He has never budged on any position and never will, regardless of evidence. You've fought the good fight, and been patient, persistent and even charitable. And while I've enjoyed and been instructed by your interaction with him, I think it is time to stop encouraging his behavior. He has zero empathy, and if he is not a racist, he sure plays one well. I honestly think if folks here ignore him long enough, he'll go away. Failing that he should be mercilessly mocked like Creativity or any other authoritarian ideologue. Life is too short.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
A really interesting article. Thank you, Skep!

I find this paragraph especially interesting:
Moral outrage is a part of human nature. But it’s worth keeping in mind that the punishment that it triggers is sometimes best explained not as a fair and proportionate reaction, but as a result of a system that has evolved to boost our individual reputations — without much care for what it means for others.
Very interesting. I haven't time to read the study but the article says:-
in a paper published Thursday in the journal Nature, we present evidence that the roots of this outrage are, in part, self-serving.
Only in part eh? The roots is it?

Sometimes it is best to skip the articles and go straight to the study, something which i haven't had time to do yet.

Something struck me though. I have a vague recollection into studies of groups of chimps and collage students (which amounts to much the same thing) into trust and cheating... how many liberties you can take, and how many times you can cry wolf. Obviously there is only so long that SJWs can cry 'racist', 'misogyny' and 'oppression' before it loses its power, and society completely loses it's trust of them. But I wonder if these constant moral outrages on social media will eventually deaden the overall effect? When you think of the many cases of passers by NOT stopping to help; can experience teach a whole society to ignore the instincts evolution has given us?

I know my immediate reaction to most moral outrages is to roll my eyes... but then again I am still not completely sure who Kim kardashian is either. I might not be normal.
I love me some Paul Bloom.

My only beef with that article is how they use the word "trustworthy." It invites the reader to infer that SJW keyboard activists are honest in general ( :lol: ), whereas it seems to me that the researchers are really only suggesting that virtue-signalers can be "trusted" to put some of their resources where their mouths are within certain contexts related to their moral outrage. It's not "trustworthy" so much as "devotedly partisan" or, if you will, "having drunk the Kool-Aid."

Hey, wasn't there a study a few years back suggesting something like the opposite? that keyboard activists were in fact less likely than others to donate money to their professed pet causes? I can't recall the details, so I might be way off.

Anyway, yeah, it's clear that moral outrage is related to genuine feelings of disgust (see Paul Rozin, Jon Haidt), and that acting on it publicly—even with mere words of condemnation—solidifies your in-group reputation, rallies the troops, and deepens the lines separating your "tribe" from the others. Of course, we non-SJWs do it too, and I'm sure I'm doing it as I write this, but it isn't a way of life for us like it is for them. (SWIDT?)

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Shatterface wrote:
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comhcinc wrote: You went to Miami, did a lot of party drugs and became super gay?
Not that I recall, no.
What happens in Miami stays in Miami.
I flew into Miami once and had my bag put through a giant Xray machine because I admitted to possession of a chicken sandwich.

(True story)

I was asked how long I planned to be in America. I replied 2 hours, and so they gave me a 6 month visa.

(Also true)

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Brive1987 wrote:Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:
Good for you!

....if not a little envious.

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Cap'n Fluffybunny - you play chess? Perhaps we could arrange a game some day? Also invitation for anyone else to play if they wish. Happy to play "correspondence" by emails and trust you not to use an engine. Happy for anyone to suggest conditions for a game as well.

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:<snip>What's the point of moral outrage?

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I love me some Paul Bloom.

My only beef with that article is how they use the word "trustworthy." It invites the reader to infer that SJW keyboard activists are honest in general ( :lol: ), whereas it seems to me that the researchers are really only suggesting that virtue-signalers can be "trusted" to put some of their resources where their mouths are within certain contexts related to their moral outrage. It's not "trustworthy" so much as "devotedly partisan" or, if you will, "having drunk the Kool-Aid."

Hey, wasn't there a study a few years back suggesting something like the opposite? that keyboard activists were in fact less likely than others to donate money to their professed pet causes? I can't recall the details, so I might be way off.

Anyway, yeah, it's clear that moral outrage is related to genuine feelings of disgust (see Paul Rozin, Jon Haidt), and that acting on it publicly—even with mere words of condemnation—solidifies your in-group reputation, rallies the troops, and deepens the lines separating your "tribe" from the others. Of course, we non-SJWs do it too, and I'm sure I'm doing it as I write this, but it isn't a way of life for us like it is for them. (SWIDT?)
Yet another series of observations, now scholary, that dangerously confirm our suspicions down to the detail. I would love to see something that is actually challenging it.

Re: Disgust, indeed, think of the name of this place and how it came to be: PZ Myers et al labelled other people as “slime” and then the other (ERV) comment section the “slime pit” which as then adopted as a name (I know you know, but new people may not).

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Malky wrote:Cap'n Fluffybunny - you play chess? Perhaps we could arrange a game some day? Also invitation for anyone else to play if they wish. Happy to play "correspondence" by emails and trust you not to use an engine. Happy for anyone to suggest conditions for a game as well.
I play chess, but I am no grandmaster. There used to be an online area for people to play against one another, chess, Go and Oware, but it disappeared long ago. Never tried chess by email.

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:
I love me some Paul Bloom.

My only beef with that article is how they use the word "trustworthy." It invites the reader to infer that SJW keyboard activists are honest in general ( :lol: ), whereas it seems to me that the researchers are really only suggesting that virtue-signalers can be "trusted" to put some of their resources where their mouths are within certain contexts related to their moral outrage. It's not "trustworthy" so much as "devotedly partisan" or, if you will, "having drunk the Kool-Aid."

Hey, wasn't there a study a few years back suggesting something like the opposite? that keyboard activists were in fact less likely than others to donate money to their professed pet causes? I can't recall the details, so I might be way off.

Anyway, yeah, it's clear that moral outrage is related to genuine feelings of disgust (see Paul Rozin, Jon Haidt), and that acting on it publicly—even with mere words of condemnation—solidifies your in-group reputation, rallies the troops, and deepens the lines separating your "tribe" from the others. Of course, we non-SJWs do it too, and I'm sure I'm doing it as I write this, but it isn't a way of life for us like it is for them. (SWIDT?)

Although i am no expert, I have always had an interest in trust, persuasion, deception, manipulation, and how people do it. So maybe I am cynical, but I don't think I read it in the same way as you. I generally find that if people signalling that they are trustworthy, they generally aren't. So my take on it is that people shouting the loudest are just taking advantage of the situation.

I have a vague recollection of a part of a study which showed that more dishonest people handed out harsher punishments. I can't remember exactly what it was... but i suddenly remembered this:-

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Sincere apologies. I hate country music too, but considering the lyrics I think it was justified.

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AndrewV69 wrote:I am just going to leave this here
I like this version more than the standard, even if it has a tendency to switch directions more often, probably due to the bias to see brighter areas are foreground.

Still not an illusion, of course.

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John Greg wrote:
And no, I will not buy a smelly wee beasty ferrret.
Ferrets are cute enough, but you couldn't do better than a guinea-pig for company. They snuggle and burble and are the closest you can get to a tribble.

Also I find the 'pit is good company for those lonesome times even when I cannot muster the spoons to post.

Laughter, coffee and guinea-pigs and/or cats. Plus move somewhere warm, by which I do NOT mean a crematorium. And as for sleep-overs, the 'pit is your real family and we got a lot of couches between us. We could club together for a round-the-world ticket, you get a REAL holiday and we get to keep you here. Just sayin'.

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rayshul wrote:
John Greg wrote:Hey-up! Any of you folks into good home cooking?

I am going to start a John Greg's Gustatory Glubberation thread in a couple of days. Think of it as my legacy to the Pit.

It will be almost exclusively pasta recipes.

I hope ya'll 'll follow.

But if you don't well.... :snooty:
I do bad homecooking and am very much up for advice. My latest cooking triumph is creating "posh" ramen which involves other ingredients but mainly still ramen.
Christ, anyone can do Spaghetti Carbonara. Do I post the recipe here, or will there be a separate thread?

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Brive1987 wrote:Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:
Remember, the answer to the WWII question is: "The Sherman."

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I have a tip for lazy cooks (such as me). Get yourself a pressure cooker. You can cook a great meal in a few hour and the prep time is usually short. Just cut stuff up and turn it on. Sometimes I cook the day before and just heat the food up in the cooker the next day.

My cooker is electric (which a purist will poo poo) but it is easy to use and works well enough for me.

Recipes:

1) Beef Stew - 4 pounds of beef roast, two onions, two potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips. Cut everything into pieces. Mix a half bottle of cheap red wine with three packages of stew seasoning. Mix everything in the pressure cooker and cook for 1.5 hours. Let cool and add one bag of frozen peas as soon as you open the cooker. Serve with egg noodles.

2) Pulled pork - 4 pounds of pork roast, two onions, three green apples. Cut into pieces. Add half a quart of apple juice. Cook for 1.5 hours. Serve with roasted veggis or on a bun with BBQ sauce.

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How I got through grad-school:

cook ramen with only about 1/3 the water
when the noodles are mostly ready, throw in two eggs, some cheese, and anything else in the fridge
finish cooking while stirring and smoking a pre-dinner ciggy
eat the "eggy mass" while watching Twin Peaks

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Semi wrote:
And she's basically done. Artists like Ke$ha are like bananas. They have a very short shelf life if they are not constantly performing and releasing hits and making the scene, which she has NOT been doing for years. She's up against hitting her stale date. If she were supremely talented, then she might push on through this, but she can barely sing.

Nobody out there is waiting for the next Ke$ha album.
With that sort of music, I can tell you straight up as someone involved in the field, it's almost ALL the producer and a few minions (e.g. programmers - not in the coding sense, but in the sense of people who are adept with sequencer programs) and maybe a couple of session musicians. But most of it's pure computer artistry, there's very little input from the singer - unless the singer is really really good, of course.

It's a myth that the singers in these things can't sing, they can usually sing fairly well, but they don't have to be consistently brilliant singers, all they have to do is do enough takes so that "good bits" can be edited together and mangled sufficiently to sound like the same generic-sounding pitch-corrected voice that's on everything these days. All the singer needs is just a moment's conviction and emotional feel, maybe even just a phrase that can be turned into a hook, and the job's done, the rest is in the hands of the producer and programmer.

A session with a big pop record goes something like this: 1) meet up and set up, 2) discussion and playing around, 3) settling on something to do and trying to do it professionally, 4) deciding it's shit, 5) panicking and sweating, 6) coming up with a moment's inspiration that 5) in the remaining few hours of the session is quickly turned into a pop monster, utilizing only a few elements of what had been labouriously worked on in the previous week.

The producer does have a unique job btw, and although producers can have their roots in musicianship, dj-ing or in programming (often formerly a notable programmer in some specialized dance field who's done several notable remixes), they all (if they are consistently successful) have a very unique and precious ability to hear the thing they're working on afresh, in more or less the way that it's going to hit the punter's ear. The rarity of this ability is why it commands big bucks. It's normally extremely difficult to work on creating something AND be able to hear it as the punter would hear it; you get too involved, everything is trees, and you can't see the wood.

"Tik Tok" was actually a brilliant pop record in 2009 and its production sound was sort of an encapsulation of what had been hep in clubs at that time. Everything since then has been producers and programmers labouring at the coal face trying to re-produce and update that one-off hit, and relying on formulae.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:
Remember, the answer to the WWII question is: "The Sherman."
Also the answer to "What's a great stress reliever?"

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Christ, anyone can do Spaghetti Carbonara. Do I post the recipe here, or will there be a separate thread?
Oh yes, by all means, DO post your Carbonara recipe here. Let's see if I'll get to point and laugh or just nod approvingly.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Christ, anyone can do Spaghetti Carbonara. Do I post the recipe here, or will there be a separate thread?
Oh yes, by all means, DO post your Carbonara recipe here. Let's see if I'll get to point and laugh or just nod approvingly.
You beat me to it. :D

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Christ, anyone can do Spaghetti Carbonara. Do I post the recipe here, or will there be a separate thread?
There will be a lot of inseparable threads. That's what spaghetti is.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:
Remember, the answer to the WWII question is: "The Sherman."
How to recognize the Sherman....
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... cebook.com

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Christ, anyone can do Spaghetti Carbonara. Do I post the recipe here, or will there be a separate thread?
Oh yes, by all means, DO post your Carbonara recipe here. Let's see if I'll get to point and laugh or just nod approvingly.
I'll also share my recipe for pissiladiere, then.

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John D wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Military history. I did Hons in history, I'm going back to my roots. :dance:
Remember, the answer to the WWII question is: "The Sherman."
How to recognize the Sherman....
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... cebook.com
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-con ... 40x460.jpg

It looks like it's made for 1 man with a very short prick.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-con ... 4_75_5.jpg

This one's driven by a Frenchman with a tres petit willy

...who thinks he's a member of the 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne. Tough titty.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wp-con ... ldiers.jpg

Hope this helps Brive complete his thesis. Pas de quoi.

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Kirbmarc wrote:I agree with you. It's more of a matter of respecting each other's individual rights than of acting towards an abstract "greater good".
Yeah, this is really the kind of crux of it. It's not that greater good questions aren't relevant, it's that individuals and their rights are logically more fundamental, and greater good questions have to be worked on in a way that's conditioned by the logical priority of basic individual rights, and the principle of equal treatment by any treating agent or agency.

This is because liberalism isn't fundamentally the imposition of a desired "good" structure on society, but rather an experiment to see if the "good" can't be discovered by society.

For the social discovery process to work, individuals have to be free to try things out, severally and in concert, and to succeed and fail. This has become obvious with the scientific discovery process and with markets, but it's also true of the social discovery process of other kinds of goods generally, including social and moral goods.

This results in a simple rule: let people do their thing until and unless they can be falsifiably demonstrated to be doing harm, have done harm, or be highly likely to do harm. It's sort of the analogue, in the social sphere, of epistemological falsificationism: it's easier to miss the target than to hit it. Effectively the liberal way is to have an over-arching tacit social contract that we all have a DUTY to refrain from interfering with others, and that we can RELEASE OURSELVES FROM THAT DUTY in the case of any individual or group only if we can demonstrate the harm condition.

The burden of justification is on the one who would abrogate, in some particular proposed instance, the common duty to refrain from interfering.

This is the logical seed of all the basic "negative" human rights: life, free speech, property, assembly, etc. They all follow quite clearly and logically from that ground rule of let people do what they want until they're demonstrably harmful.

That simple rule (so simple that even the stupidest in society can understand it), which is reflected in the legal field as "innocent until proven guilty" sets the basic condition for the social discovery process of the "good", which we may say is some basket of closely-related social rulesets out there in possibility space, that's conducive to the basket of closely-related goals of human flourishing, happiness, well-being, etc. And over the millennia and centuries, there's been a tolerable convergence on the "good". Still lots of argument about corners, grey areas,slippery slopes and all the rest of it, but by now most people recognize both the liberal ground rules, and can generally see how the logic of those ground rules plays out in any given dispute or problem.

An ideology that starts with a pre-defined, abstract concept of the good, on the other hand, short-circuits this discovery process. Particularly if it's a reification of that consensus-up-till-now that I mentioned in the last paragraph. It's not that you can't do that, and it's not that doing that may not be all kinds of interesting to think about, it's that any justification you have for legal action must necessarily be on flimsier grounds than demonstrable harm.

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gurugeorge wrote:This is the logical seed of all the basic "negative" human rights: life, free speech, property, assembly, etc. They all follow quite clearly and logically from that ground rule of let people do what they want until they're demonstrably harmful.
I once tried to argue this position with a woman with purple hair and flat-lens glasses with thick rims. I even gave the name of a philosopher that she might want to read. But, instead, she stomped off, thinking that I'd just said "hey, girl."

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gurugeorge wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:I agree with you. It's more of a matter of respecting each other's individual rights than of acting towards an abstract "greater good".
Yeah, this is really the kind of crux of it. It's not that greater good questions aren't relevant, it's that individuals and their rights are logically more fundamental, and greater good questions have to be worked on in a way that's conditioned by the logical priority of basic individual rights, and the principle of equal treatment by any treating agent or agency.

This is because liberalism isn't fundamentally the imposition of a desired "good" structure on society, but rather an experiment to see if the "good" can't be discovered by society.

For the social discovery process to work, individuals have to be free to try things out, severally and in concert, and to succeed and fail. This has become obvious with the scientific discovery process and with markets, but it's also true of the social discovery process of other kinds of goods generally, including social and moral goods.

This results in a simple rule: let people do their thing until and unless they can be falsifiably demonstrated to be doing harm, have done harm, or be highly likely to do harm. It's sort of the analogue, in the social sphere, of epistemological falsificationism: it's easier to miss the target than to hit it. Effectively the liberal way is to have an over-arching tacit social contract that we all have a DUTY to refrain from interfering with others, and that we can RELEASE OURSELVES FROM THAT DUTY in the case of any individual or group only if we can demonstrate the harm condition.

The burden of justification is on the one who would abrogate, in some particular proposed instance, the common duty to refrain from interfering.

This is the logical seed of all the basic "negative" human rights: life, free speech, property, assembly, etc. They all follow quite clearly and logically from that ground rule of let people do what they want until they're demonstrably harmful.

That simple rule (so simple that even the stupidest in society can understand it), which is reflected in the legal field as "innocent until proven guilty" sets the basic condition for the social discovery process of the "good", which we may say is some basket of closely-related social rulesets out there in possibility space, that's conducive to the basket of closely-related goals of human flourishing, happiness, well-being, etc. And over the millennia and centuries, there's been a tolerable convergence on the "good". Still lots of argument about corners, grey areas,slippery slopes and all the rest of it, but by now most people recognize both the liberal ground rules, and can generally see how the logic of those ground rules plays out in any given dispute or problem.

An ideology that starts with a pre-defined, abstract concept of the good, on the other hand, short-circuits this discovery process. Particularly if it's a reification of that consensus-up-till-now that I mentioned in the last paragraph. It's not that you can't do that, and it's not that doing that may not be all kinds of interesting to think about, it's that any justification you have for legal action must necessarily be on flimsier grounds than demonstrable harm.
Eh, what?

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I can find these too> hehe.
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